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The Big-Bang theory demolished in three easy steps

 
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rofl'd @ jesus
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wow you just debunked our existance.
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Back to the silly Big Bang , some shils here say that the BB theory doesn't claim there was Nothing before the BB , those are just silly shils , go ahead google .
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Why not ask a cosmologist?
That Mr. Google person is hardly the expert.

Why is it that religious nutters are either always misinformed, or compelled to lie?
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Back to the silly Big Bang , some shils here say that the BB theory doesn't claim there was Nothing before the BB , those are just silly shils , go ahead google .

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Why not ask a cosmologist?
That Mr. Google person is hardly the expert.

Why is it that religious nutters are either always misinformed, or compelled to lie?

 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD



Religious people live in a fantasy , no wonder they have problems understanding the reality ... Einstein was religious .

Don't hurt the messenger , Google just bridges the cosmologists with us :

[link to io9.com]

.... In 1998, J. Richard Gott and Li Xin Li, both then at Princeton, proposed a model in which the universe arose from what can only be described as a time machine ...


By all means go ahead and check it out , it's amusing at best .


Why don't you show us your Cosmologist's quotes besides the ones that I provided .
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For starters and for your Confidence of not wasting your time , the UPN proves that an exploding/enlarging point creating the Universe some 3.8 Billion years ago as the ‘ Big Bang ‘ theory claims , is incorrect . How hard it is to prove it being wrong ?

1) Nothing can be created from Nothingness ( or , Somethingness can not be created from Nothingness )
2) the # 1 statement is true since for-ever , since Eternity , since an infinite time ( never was possible to make Something from Nothing )

 Quoting: Observer 29360714



Your argument fails right there: the big bang theory DOES NOT say there was NOTHING. It merely states there was an incy wincy tiny spec of matter.

Next: you havent defined NOTHING.

what is Nothing? Have you ever seen NOTHING ?

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" .... Big Bang Theory - The Premise
The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.

According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. ... " ....

[link to www.big-bang-theory.com]



 Quoting: Observer 7550272



Ya , the original BB claim was/is that Nothing was prior , here is another statement ( note ' empty ' and all that jazz about multiple dimensions ) :


This “quantum leap” involved four of the dimensions of the empty universe, which now frame the universe we live in.

Expanding suddenly, this event sparked the Big Bang and caused the further expansion which created matter and continues to push the galaxies apart today. Meanwhile, the seven remaining dimensions shrunk to an almost inconceivable size, much smaller than an atom.

String theory is so far a purely mathematical journey back to these primordial moments, and some physicists are considering different explanations ...



Ya , another math trip multiplying and dividing by zero or infinite . The BB is a goner , see the new SuperFluid Universe .
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Religious people live in a fantasy , no wonder they have problems understanding the reality ...
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First thing you said which is true.

Einstein was religious.
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Not by the usual definition of the word.

.... In 1998, J. Richard Gott and Li Xin Li, both then at Princeton, proposed a model in which the universe arose from what can only be described as a time machine ...
 Quoting: SAM 30345113

How is a new "proposed model" the Big Bang Theory.

Why don't you show us your Cosmologist's quotes besides the ones that I provided .
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Why don't you go read a actual academic write-up of the current state of cosmology, rather than the pop-media version.
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Why don't you go read a actual academic write-up of the current state of cosmology, rather than the pop-media version.

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I did , and they avoid stating clearly what caused the assumed Big Bang .

Here is the website that shows how the Universe is made of a SuperFluid hence denying the need for a 'mass' particle since the SuperFluid ( that makes everything ) is THE mass :

[link to arxiv.org]



The BB has just two option regarding the 'before' :

a) nothing , and you know where that leads to , read my OP ,

b) 'something' , which caused or not a huge explosion forming the present Universe . The problem here is that the assumed Big Bang theory doesn't explain how the assumed starting micro-point that expanded explosively into the present Universe could posibly exist or form in a 'something' that would have to be far less dense than that micro-point ! You don't need to read anything to realize this Logic outcome ... because the Universe is 100 % Logic .

So either in the a or b situations , a huge explosion generating the present total Universe mass originated from a micro-point , doesn't have any bases for a Logical Reason to happen . No wonder the BB inventors can not explain the 'before' , nor how a BB can happened , there is no logic to it .
But the BB BS is good for religion and in our times that's good enough to make the print .


But why even fall into the Big Bang trap ?
Nothing that we see today points to such an event , definetly NOT the red-shift which is caused by the presence of Something ( the SuperFluid ) filling the Universe hence acting as a slow-down to movement/radiation both in amplitude and cycle of movement ( frequency ) .

BTW , as you see in the link , a SuperFluid making up the Universe ( the fundamental 'brick' ) WAS PROVEN LOGICALLY , unlike the Big Bang , and the SuperFluid denies a Big Bang via the MASS logic . QED .
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Big bangism claims planets formed of a molten mass bazzillions of years ago, to-wit they claim earth's baserock granites are an igneous. Yet they cannot produce a granite in a lab or heat it to a molten state and have it remain a granite - proof it was never molten and not an igneous.

There was no big bang and planets do not form as claimed.

Granites have other properties proving they formed in seconds! This agrees with the biblical account of creation, but is a big problem for evolution's bazzillions of fantastic years.

(Radiohalos in Radiochronological and Cosmological Perspective. Gentry, R.V., Science 184, 62, 1974)

[link to www.halos.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Big bangism has big problems squeezing bazzillions of years into observed science.......


According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only 274 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.

According to their [Astronomers] model, the SNR should reach a diameter of about 300 light years after 120,000 years. So if our galaxy was billions of years old, we should be able to observe many SNRs this size. But if our galaxy is 6,000-10,000 years old, no SNRs would have had time to reach this size. So the number of observed SNRs of a particular size is an excellent test of whether the galaxy is old or young. In fact, the results are consistent with a universe thousands of years old, but are a puzzle if the universe has existed for billions of years.

[link to creation.com]

[link to www.mrao.cam.ac.uk]
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Big bangism has big problems squeezing bazzillions of years into observed science.......


According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only 274 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.

According to their [Astronomers] model, the SNR should reach a diameter of about 300 light years after 120,000 years. So if our galaxy was billions of years old, we should be able to observe many SNRs this size. But if our galaxy is 6,000-10,000 years old, no SNRs would have had time to reach this size. So the number of observed SNRs of a particular size is an excellent test of whether the galaxy is old or young. In fact, the results are consistent with a universe thousands of years old, but are a puzzle if the universe has existed for billions of years.

[link to creation.com]

[link to www.mrao.cam.ac.uk]

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Well , Bang On !

But wait , here is in your face the Proof that the Big Bang described as The Creation did not happened : the Hubble telescope showed that we can see 13.3 billion years back IN ALL DIRECTIONS SHOWING GALAXIES , matter !!

If the BB was a point expanding than we should be able to see the 'dark' side of space where the BB expansion didn't reach yet after 14 billion years ! But Hubble shows matter EVERYWHERE AROUND EVENLY after 13 Billion years , QED .


Or are you gona tell me Earth is the centre of the Universe where the Big Bang happened ??



[link to www.cbc.ca]

Hubble telescope spies 13.3-billion-year-old galaxy

Poring through Hubble Space Telescope photos, the team recalculated the galaxy's age and determined it is actually 13.3 billion years old — not a mere 13.2 billion.

The dim galaxy filled with blue stars was first noticed last year by a different group of researchers, who also used the workhorse telescope to make the previous age estimate.

It reigned as the most ancient galaxy observed until last month when it was knocked off its perch by another distant galaxy.
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First off OP the universe's estimated age (based on the background radiation and light) is 13.8 billion years. Second open a quantum mechanics book and educate yourself. Something can be created from nothing but the definition of nothing is not what you think. True nothingness cannot exist. The "nothing" the big bang theory refers to is the lowest possible state of all energy and if you want to prove something from nothing study the mathematics of limits. Any thing divided by zero is equal to infinity. This simply shows a relationship between nothing and everything. Also look into fractals and how something very simple (lowest energy states) can lead to something very complex (planets, organics, life.)

A better argument against the big bang would be to state the definition of a singularity and conclude that by definition there is no catalyst to drive change since the singilarity is completely uniform. Therefor the only conditions created as the result of a singularity is the same unchanging uniform singularity.

While i admire someone who questions everything please dont make arogant claims that generally accepted conclusions are wrong unless you have facts to back it up. A Logical answer isnt always correct and an illogical one isnt always wrong. All you did was state logic with limited information that seemed to work in your head. You failed to consider variables and considering you didnt know the generally accepted age of the universe i think its safe to say you do not hold a degree in physics or Have access to any actual scientific instruments to collect data to conclude your hypothesis.

Stop spreading disinformation based on speculation. Thank you
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:^this:

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 Quoting: Oyster


That was pretty fucking spectacular. lol

I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about, and he NAILED IT as far as I'm concerned.

Let me throw my two cents in for what it's worth, taking his comments on forgotten variables.

What about also the variables that we don't even know exist?

Isn't it impossible to truly take things to a beginning point?
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First off OP the universe's estimated age (based on the background radiation and light) is 13.8 billion years. Second open a quantum mechanics book and educate yourself. Something can be created from nothing but the definition of nothing is not what you think. True nothingness cannot exist. The "nothing" the big bang theory refers to is the lowest possible state of all energy and if you want to prove something from nothing study the mathematics of limits. Any thing divided by zero is equal to infinity. This simply shows a relationship between nothing and everything. Also look into fractals and how something very simple (lowest energy states) can lead to something very complex (planets, organics, life.)

A better argument against the big bang would be to state the definition of a singularity and conclude that by definition there is no catalyst to drive change since the singilarity is completely uniform. Therefor the only conditions created as the result of a singularity is the same unchanging uniform singularity.

While i admire someone who questions everything please dont make arogant claims that generally accepted conclusions are wrong unless you have facts to back it up. A Logical answer isnt always correct and an illogical one isnt always wrong. All you did was state logic with limited information that seemed to work in your head. You failed to consider variables and considering you didnt know the generally accepted age of the universe i think its safe to say you do not hold a degree in physics or Have access to any actual scientific instruments to collect data to conclude your hypothesis.

Stop spreading disinformation based on speculation. Thank you
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:^this:

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 Quoting: Oyster


That was pretty fucking spectacular. lol

I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about, and he NAILED IT as far as I'm concerned.

Let me throw my two cents in for what it's worth, taking his comments on forgotten variables.

What about also the variables that we don't even know exist?

Isn't it impossible to truly take things to a beginning point?
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Or to pick apart anything to its absolute root?
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Let me throw my two cents in for what it's worth, taking his comments on forgotten variables.

What about also the variables that we don't even know exist?

Isn't it impossible to truly take things to a beginning point?

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Yes , if you support the Big Bang theory :)
As for 'variables' , when comes to understanding that Nothingness can NOT exist hence , since FOR EVER , Somethingness existed as the default , this variable is called IQ .

As I said , here is in your face the Proof that the Big Bang described as The Creation did not happened : the Hubble telescope showed that we can see 13.3 billion years back IN ALL DIRECTIONS SHOWING GALAXIES , matter !!

If the BB was a point expanding than we should be able to see the 'dark' side of space where the BB expansion didn't reach yet after 14 billion years ! But Hubble shows matter EVERYWHERE AROUND EVENLY after 13 Billion years , QED .


Or are you gona tell me Earth is the centre of the Universe where the Big Bang happened ??



[link to www.cbc.ca]


Hubble telescope spies 13.3-billion-year-old galaxy


" ... Poring through Hubble Space Telescope photos, the team recalculated the galaxy's age and determined it is actually 13.3 billion years old — not a mere 13.2 billion.

The dim galaxy filled with blue stars was first noticed last year by a different group of researchers, who also used the workhorse telescope to make the previous age estimate.

It reigned as the most ancient galaxy observed until last month when it was knocked off its perch by another distant galaxy ... " ...



Of course , unless Earth is at the centre of the Universe and the location of the Big Bang , but didn't 'they' Already Try this in the past , LOL ??
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Let me throw my two cents in for what it's worth, taking his comments on forgotten variables.

What about also the variables that we don't even know exist?

Isn't it impossible to truly take things to a beginning point?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20281321



Yes , if you support the Big Bang theory :)
As for 'variables' , when comes to understanding that Nothingness can NOT exist hence , since FOR EVER , Somethingness existed as the default , this variable is called IQ .

As I said , here is in your face the Proof that the Big Bang described as The Creation did not happened : the Hubble telescope showed that we can see 13.3 billion years back IN ALL DIRECTIONS SHOWING GALAXIES , matter !!

If the BB was a point expanding than we should be able to see the 'dark' side of space where the BB expansion didn't reach yet after 14 billion years ! But Hubble shows matter EVERYWHERE AROUND EVENLY after 13 Billion years , QED .


Or are you gona tell me Earth is the centre of the Universe where the Big Bang happened ??



[link to www.cbc.ca]


Hubble telescope spies 13.3-billion-year-old galaxy


" ... Poring through Hubble Space Telescope photos, the team recalculated the galaxy's age and determined it is actually 13.3 billion years old — not a mere 13.2 billion.

The dim galaxy filled with blue stars was first noticed last year by a different group of researchers, who also used the workhorse telescope to make the previous age estimate.

It reigned as the most ancient galaxy observed until last month when it was knocked off its perch by another distant galaxy ... " ...



Of course , unless Earth is at the centre of the Universe and the location of the Big Bang , but didn't 'they' Already Try this in the past , LOL ??
 Quoting: Observer 30432716


No. lol Honestly, I'm in way over my head here. Just wanted to make a comment about variables. I'm a pup compared to you on this subject. I can admit that. lol

Does the expanding universe play into any of this?

I do enjoy reading your posts. Truly fascinating.
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Let me throw my two cents in for what it's worth, taking his comments on forgotten variables.

What about also the variables that we don't even know exist?

Isn't it impossible to truly take things to a beginning point?

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Yes , if you support the Big Bang theory :)
As for 'variables' , when comes to understanding that Nothingness can NOT exist hence , since FOR EVER , Somethingness existed as the default , this variable is called IQ .

As I said , here is in your face the Proof that the Big Bang described as The Creation did not happened : the Hubble telescope showed that we can see 13.3 billion years back IN ALL DIRECTIONS SHOWING GALAXIES , matter !!

If the BB was a point expanding than we should be able to see the 'dark' side of space where the BB expansion didn't reach yet after 14 billion years ! But Hubble shows matter EVERYWHERE AROUND EVENLY after 13 Billion years , QED .


Or are you gona tell me Earth is the centre of the Universe where the Big Bang happened ??



[link to www.cbc.ca]


Hubble telescope spies 13.3-billion-year-old galaxy


" ... Poring through Hubble Space Telescope photos, the team recalculated the galaxy's age and determined it is actually 13.3 billion years old — not a mere 13.2 billion.

The dim galaxy filled with blue stars was first noticed last year by a different group of researchers, who also used the workhorse telescope to make the previous age estimate.

It reigned as the most ancient galaxy observed until last month when it was knocked off its perch by another distant galaxy ... " ...



Of course , unless Earth is at the centre of the Universe and the location of the Big Bang , but didn't 'they' Already Try this in the past , LOL ??
 Quoting: Observer 30432716


No. lol Honestly, I'm in way over my head here. Just wanted to make a comment about variables. I'm a pup compared to you on this subject. I can admit that. lol

Does the expanding universe play into any of this?

I do enjoy reading your posts. Truly fascinating.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20281321



You are a darling and a Honey so I surender for your reading pleasure :


The UPN theory ( find it if you can ) , Scientists Volovik and Huang ( of MIT ) proved in different ways that we and the Universe are made of a SuperFluid , a substance that the authors agree is 'special' and not aknowladged by the 'establishment' so far ! ... or the LHC contractors would not be happy ;)

But is so much more because a Common Dough , the SuperFluid means a Continious Connection all over and among all , just as one lose tooth of mine is soar only when the Sun emits certain CMEs ( hey , that`s my personal X-ray detector , and not just Any , but one naturally `tuned` to a certain frequency ) , and I am not joking .

Your Dream Waves are Game as they became Public Proprty for the grabs in any galaxy using the right instruments , similar to the Art of War where the slaves doen`t have a clue they are cattle .

But above all , Pain and Suffering are Universal waves paterns that spread away in the vast infinite Universe to Shame the Able that seat around just as Spectators , even millions of light years away , but in a single flash in our dreams ... call me crazy BUT :
since the SuperFluid fills every available space to the microscopic level , it can not be compressed any further in any further smaller volume , hence the SuperFluid is un-compressible ! Ya , this means that certain vibrations can travel through this SuperFluid instantaneously , real-time anywhere in the infinite Universe !

So knowing everithing in real-time it is Not a Divine property but one available to the right technology ... and I am an Atheist !

Home work for you ( endolge me please ) : tonight , after turning off the light and confy in your bed , close your eyes and try to ... control what you see !

Post here the next day reporting on the experience , please ... specially if you could not possibly control the action in front of your mind ...
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Big bangism has big problems squeezing bazzillions of years into observed science.......


According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only 274 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.

According to their [Astronomers] model, the SNR should reach a diameter of about 300 light years after 120,000 years. So if our galaxy was billions of years old, we should be able to observe many SNRs this size. But if our galaxy is 6,000-10,000 years old, no SNRs would have had time to reach this size. So the number of observed SNRs of a particular size is an excellent test of whether the galaxy is old or young. In fact, the results are consistent with a universe thousands of years old, but are a puzzle if the universe has existed for billions of years.

[link to creation.com]

[link to www.mrao.cam.ac.uk]

 Quoting: Klink 1331499




Well , Bang On !

But wait , here is in your face the Proof that the Big Bang described as The Creation did not happened : the Hubble telescope showed that we can see 13.3 billion years back IN ALL DIRECTIONS SHOWING GALAXIES , matter !!

If the BB was a point expanding than we should be able to see the 'dark' side of space where the BB expansion didn't reach yet after 14 billion years ! But Hubble shows matter EVERYWHERE AROUND EVENLY after 13 Billion years , QED .


Or are you gona tell me Earth is the centre of the Universe where the Big Bang happened ??



[link to www.cbc.ca]

Hubble telescope spies 13.3-billion-year-old galaxy

Poring through Hubble Space Telescope photos, the team recalculated the galaxy's age and determined it is actually 13.3 billion years old — not a mere 13.2 billion.

The dim galaxy filled with blue stars was first noticed last year by a different group of researchers, who also used the workhorse telescope to make the previous age estimate.

It reigned as the most ancient galaxy observed until last month when it was knocked off its perch by another distant galaxy.
 Quoting: Observer 30432716



It's an observation of a universe with starlight measuring distance not time. We were not there to see the universe form so must find ways to date the event. The supernova does that.
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Big bangism has big problems squeezing bazzillions of years into observed science.......


According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only 274 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.

According to their [Astronomers] model, the SNR should reach a diameter of about 300 light years after 120,000 years. So if our galaxy was billions of years old, we should be able to observe many SNRs this size. But if our galaxy is 6,000-10,000 years old, no SNRs would have had time to reach this size. So the number of observed SNRs of a particular size is an excellent test of whether the galaxy is old or young. In fact, the results are consistent with a universe thousands of years old, but are a puzzle if the universe has existed for billions of years.

[link to creation.com]

[link to www.mrao.cam.ac.uk]

 Quoting: Klink 1331499




Well , Bang On !

But wait , here is in your face the Proof that the Big Bang described as The Creation did not happened : the Hubble telescope showed that we can see 13.3 billion years back IN ALL DIRECTIONS SHOWING GALAXIES , matter !!

If the BB was a point expanding than we should be able to see the 'dark' side of space where the BB expansion didn't reach yet after 14 billion years ! But Hubble shows matter EVERYWHERE AROUND EVENLY after 13 Billion years , QED .


Or are you gona tell me Earth is the centre of the Universe where the Big Bang happened ??



[link to www.cbc.ca]

Hubble telescope spies 13.3-billion-year-old galaxy

Poring through Hubble Space Telescope photos, the team recalculated the galaxy's age and determined it is actually 13.3 billion years old — not a mere 13.2 billion.

The dim galaxy filled with blue stars was first noticed last year by a different group of researchers, who also used the workhorse telescope to make the previous age estimate.

It reigned as the most ancient galaxy observed until last month when it was knocked off its perch by another distant galaxy.

 Quoting: Observer 30432716



It's an observation of a universe with starlight measuring distance not time. We were not there to see the universe form so must find ways to date the event.

The supernova does that.

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Without first knowing with certainty how and what triggers a SuperNova , let me ask you to comment on this : as recent ( 2011 ) scientific postings ( search for the ' Super Fluid Universe ' ) from Grigory Volovik ( Russia / Finland Universities ) and Huang ( of MIT USA ) plus the Logic in the UPN , all proving that the Universe is made of a ( special ) SuperFluid , how would you fit an explosion in a SuperFluid that makes everything including the explosion in a SuperNova ?

What I take as a Hint is : in a SuperFluid Universe the Only possible phenomena are the ones that Can happened in a (super) Fluid : waves , vortices and their Harmonics ! ... and nothing else !

The way I see it accordingly , is that a SuperNova is a large Harmonic of a number of Vortices ( tornados in space ) .

OH , LOOK :

[link to news.discovery.com]


Monster Solar Tornadoes Discovered

Magnetic tornadoes measuring several Earths wide have been spotted deep inside the sun's atmosphere.


" For the first time, huge solar tornadoes have been filmed swirling deep inside the solar corona -- the sun's superheated atmosphere. But if you're imagining the pedestrian tornadoes that we experience on Earth, think again.

These solar monsters, measuring the width of several Earths and swirling at speeds of up to 300,000 kilometers (190,000 miles) per hour, aren't only fascinating structures; they may also trigger violent magnetic eruptions that can have drastic effects on our planet.

NEWS: Solar Storm Warning Satellite on Last Legs

In one example observed on Sept. 25, 2011, solar researchers from the UK used the high-definition cameras onboard NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) to track solar gases as hot as 2 million Kelvin (3.6 million degrees Fahrenheit) getting sucked from the bottom of a solar prominence and spiral high into the corona.

The solar tornado then developed for three hours, gases traveling in spiral paths for around 200,000 kilometers (120,000 miles) ... " ...


Oh , another 'coincidence' , the UPN theory shows that only Black Holes inside a star ( like our sun ) can regenerate the amount of matter loss during CMEs ... But in the UPN black holes are ... vortices !
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If creation days are each 10x longer than the previous day then if day 1 ended 4BYA the it began 40BYA as material that would become the big bang would begin to be collected from material in 'the void'. That is the same place the universe will be in if it keeps expanding until matter is so spread out it cannot even form a star. The material for the big bang was in two lumps that would be that version of a black hole and two such objects 'merged' and then exploded because of 'complications' with that process.

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Big bangism has big problems squeezing bazzillions of years into observed science.......


According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only 274 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.

According to their [Astronomers] model, the SNR should reach a diameter of about 300 light years after 120,000 years. So if our galaxy was billions of years old, we should be able to observe many SNRs this size. But if our galaxy is 6,000-10,000 years old, no SNRs would have had time to reach this size. So the number of observed SNRs of a particular size is an excellent test of whether the galaxy is old or young. In fact, the results are consistent with a universe thousands of years old, but are a puzzle if the universe has existed for billions of years.

[link to creation.com]

[link to www.mrao.cam.ac.uk]

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Well , Bang On !

But wait , here is in your face the Proof that the Big Bang described as The Creation did not happened : the Hubble telescope showed that we can see 13.3 billion years back IN ALL DIRECTIONS SHOWING GALAXIES , matter !!

If the BB was a point expanding than we should be able to see the 'dark' side of space where the BB expansion didn't reach yet after 14 billion years ! But Hubble shows matter EVERYWHERE AROUND EVENLY after 13 Billion years , QED .


Or are you gona tell me Earth is the centre of the Universe where the Big Bang happened ??



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Hubble telescope spies 13.3-billion-year-old galaxy

Poring through Hubble Space Telescope photos, the team recalculated the galaxy's age and determined it is actually 13.3 billion years old — not a mere 13.2 billion.

The dim galaxy filled with blue stars was first noticed last year by a different group of researchers, who also used the workhorse telescope to make the previous age estimate.

It reigned as the most ancient galaxy observed until last month when it was knocked off its perch by another distant galaxy.

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Grigory Volovik and Kerson Huang of MIT both posted separately papers entitled ” The Super Fluid Universe ” proved by using Empirical formulas :

org/pdf/1004.0597.pdf

and

ims.nus.edu.sg/Programs/011multi/files/kerson2.pdf

and my own removed UPN theory that deduces only Logically ( no formulas or math ) that the Universe and us are made of a special SuperFluid

UPNtheory.WordPress.com ( closed for ‘sponsors’ reasons )

The three-way conclusion of a SuperFluid Universe is shocking to science and requires the text books to be re-writen :

1) An Universe made of a SuperFluid ( from diamonds to stars including us ) means , for starters , that there is no need for a ‘Mass’ particle since the SuperFluid that makes Everything is THE mass ! So at the LHC all there is just very happy ( over one billion Euros ) contractors …

2) A SuperFluid Universe means that ALL Possible phenomena that CAN Possibly happen in the Universe can be ONLY : waves , vortices and their Harmonics ! Take a few moments to have that sink-in …

3) A SuperFluid Universe means that Gravity is Also a part of the SuperFluid !! Bingo ! Now we can say with Certitude that what holds in orbits the Earth , Sun , the Solar system and other billion stars MUST be powerful enough to influence the Magma inside the Earth to agitate enough to emerge as Lava and cause earthquakes , volcanism and global warming …

4) Our solar system in its orbit around the centre of our galaxy , is approaching the Orion Arm ( spiraling out of the galaxy centre ) which is a high concentration of stars hence more Turbulent Gravity to shake our world , so get ready to rock-and-roll into the oceans plus a global warming for the next few Thausand years ( remains DO show bananas growing at the poles while the poles were at their Present geographical locations ) … Carbon Tax ?? Tax the Gravity , fool !

Conclusion : gravity should not have any problems causing/triggering earthquakes ( and volcanoes , and massive tides , and planets Ruptures , and Solar internal turbulance as in CMEs ) .
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What makes you all think there's nothing past the universe to spawn the universe.

There is a scientific term called the multiverse, basically the ethereal plains. Get acquainted. It will improve your life.
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What makes you all think there's nothing past the universe to spawn the universe.

There is a scientific term called the multiverse, basically the ethereal plains. Get acquainted. It will improve your life.

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I'd rather get aquainted with what Logic says , a thing that I would like you to use demonstrating multi-universes and their properties . Please post it , thanks .



Until than , multiple checks show this remarkable News ( it's so fine that the GLP administration didn't spotted yet to pin ... or they did but not understanding it ??! , what does That reveales ? ;) :



Grigory Volovik and Kerson Huang of MIT both posted separately papers entitled ” The Super Fluid Universe ” proved by using Empirical formulas :

org/pdf/1004.0597.pdf

and

ims.nus.edu.sg/Programs/011multi/files/kerson2.pdf

and my own removed UPN theory that deduces only Logically ( no formulas or math ) that the Universe and us are made of a special SuperFluid

UPNtheory.WordPress.com ( closed for ‘sponsors’ reasons )

The three-way conclusion of a SuperFluid Universe is shocking to science and requires the text books to be re-writen :

1) An Universe made of a SuperFluid ( from diamonds to stars including us ) means , for starters , that there is no need for a ‘Mass’ particle since the SuperFluid that makes Everything is THE mass ! So at the LHC all there is just very happy ( over one billion Euros ) contractors …

2) A SuperFluid Universe means that ALL Possible phenomena that CAN Possibly happen in the Universe can be ONLY : waves , vortices and their Harmonics ! Take a few moments to have that sink-in …

3) A SuperFluid Universe means that Gravity is Also a part of the SuperFluid !! Bingo ! Now we can say with Certitude that what holds in orbits the Earth , Sun , the Solar system and other billion stars MUST be powerful enough to influence the Magma inside the Earth to agitate enough to emerge as Lava and cause earthquakes , volcanism and global warming …

4) Our solar system in its orbit around the centre of our galaxy , is approaching the Orion Arm ( spiraling out of the galaxy centre ) which is a high concentration of stars hence more Turbulent Gravity to shake our world , so get ready to rock-and-roll into the oceans plus a global warming for the next few Thausand years ( remains DO show bananas growing at the poles while the poles were at their Present geographical locations ) … Carbon Tax ?? Tax the Gravity , fool !

Conclusion : gravity should not have any problems causing/triggering earthquakes ( and volcanoes , and massive tides , and planets Ruptures , and Solar internal turbulance as in CMEs )
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??? what the fuck are you talking about?! nothingness is the basic of everything that is something.

it is a structured nothingness though. the nothing implodes or outplodes in on it slef that creates a blipse of something, god is created there! but that nothing is always imploding or outploding to infinity in future and past thus god is created for infinity every nano to the minus gazillion seconds.

but for god, there is no time, since we are the evolvement of god, we expierience now, but for him it is always now

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