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STUDENT GRANTS & LOANS: Obama has made it much HARDER to get them, did you know that?

 
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8000 in defaulted school loans. No excuses I didn't pay them but to my defense my co-signer filed for bankruptcy and the lender told me the loan would be forgiven and I would not have to pay and the other was paid with my refund check. 3 years after receiving the loans and with no notice I was recently garnished for both loans. 15% each. I open my check one Friday and see a deduct amount of 300$. Only 2 months into the only job I've had since graduating with a 3.0 from Delaware. Next week I see 2 deducts, the other for 200$. That's per 2 weeks. I make a mortgage payment in garnishments per month. Almost bought a car when I got my job thank god I didn't. Oh, and I lost my apartment. I live back at home now. Thanks Student loans. Hey! At least I have a job right. Managing an enterprise location in MD. Thanks to my BA of Science. :) What a fucking joke
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Boy are you up shit creek. I feel sorry for you.

I rehabilitated by defaulted loan, I'll get a deferrment, and when I repay, I'll file for hardship and payments should be very low.

I guess you can't do that now? Your payments seem excessive. I had to make $75 payments for nine months.
 Quoting: Super Bowl Dave
I don't feel sorry for Flashmob. S/he took out a loan, signed on the dotted line giving their word to payback the money and didn't. Just because your co-signer files bankruptcy doesn't mean the loan is expunged. This is a perfect example of why this country is in the state it is in. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I walked away from a debt I was capable of re-paying. There was a point that I had to sent up a reduced payment plan and I was thankful that I could lower my payments to get me through a rough patch.
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When it comes to getting governmentsheep loans here is what you need, GOOD LUCK!
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BTW. Nevermind tuitions have tripled in 5 years, contentless education in the u.s. means nothing. Unless you're a corporate sellout scientist (meaning no creative freedom) you're not going to get grants which you may recall made you valuable to your country's vitality based on intellectual treasure.
The Japanese held those with artistic skill for mentoring as "National Treasures" and still do, irradiated as they are.
So kill your culture by not feeding creation..we're doing just great in that area.

BTW, if you want an education for your kids the closest one is McGill in Canada. They actually teach there.
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Do you realize how much harder it is to get and obtain federal student aid and loans under Barack H. Obama?

His administration has instituted new policies (that have received ZERO attention or press) that now severely hinder anyone's hopes of either getting loans or staying in school.

How do I know? Because I'm dealing with this horseshit as we speak.

1) New rules require students to transfer ALL credits from prior institutions where loans were used, even if this happened 20 years ago. This takes an inordinate amount of time and my school did nothing to inform me of this requirement until the last minute.

2) A new regulation called the Satisfactory Academic Progress Policy (SAPP) requires three new stipulations to obtain loans:

a) You must not have been in school for a long period of time. If you've been going for six or seven years and you haven't gotten a degree yet, you are finished.

b) You must maintain a 2.0 GPA.

NOW, FOR THE COUP D'GRACE...

c) You must first report all "withdrawals" or "Ws" you have acquired, even if you got them in 1955. You must then obtain documentation proving a "good reason" as to why you dropped those classes.

Yes, I have heard people are having to prove why they dropped classes in the 1970s and they are having to get documentation for it.

This is RETROACTIVE. So you are now being punished for something that was previously perfectly normal and ok.

I now must file a formal petition and HOPE a panel of bureaucrats allows me to continue receive loans, because I dropped four classes in 2008 due to getting a full-time job that interfered with attendance.

This will effect TENS of thousands of people, if not HUNDREDS of thousands. It already is at my school -- one of the counselors there has a sky-high pile of petitions and she says tons of people are being effected.

Why? Because most people have "Ws" on their record, and just a few can set you below the required "pace" (different at various schools, but 66% at mine). "Pace" is the total number of classes completed divided by the withdrawals. This will particularly effect new students, freshmen and sophomores.

3) If you have more than 19,000 in student loan debt, you must now file a petition to obtain more.

(Honestly, there are even more new regulations, of which I don't know the full details).

This pisses me off for a couple of reasons.

First, this is OUR fucking money. WE paid for those classes, and if we dropped them, we should be grandfathered into the new regulation, instead, it's retroactive and we're being punished.

Second, Congress is CRACKING down on these student loans.

They are also considering legislation that would allow them to GARNISH WAGES of those who have defaulted on loans.

Interesting, isn't, that there is accountability for the little guy, but not for Congress? Not for the banks? Not for the corporations?

They get the bailouts, while the little guy gets the crack-down.

We ought to line up every one of those maggots in Congress, line 'em and execute them in the public square.

This is the beginning of "austerity", folks. It's gonna get a lot worse.

Your loverboy socialist Obama is NOT looking out for you and is NOT making it easier to go to school. FAR FROM IT.
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okay...big boy...now read the "SERVE AMERICA ACT" passed in the 1st year of obama term....ya'll gonna love that one...!!!
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and let me add to my post above that these colleges are admitting students who are not qualified to attend college, thus the GPA requirements. It's all about the money for most of these institutions anymore.
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We put them in LSS classes. However, they still get financial aide to pay for a year's worth of Learning Support courses (otherwise, known as remedial). Wonder if they are going to crack down on these?

If so, our college is in trouble.
Who is John Galt?
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What we're ignoring here is the setup.
Loftier than thou,
you have your loftiness to comfort you yet,
Either way you lose.

Carry on.
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OP- I am thinking about getting my Masters and would need to get financial aid. I have never needed it before. Do all of these rules still apply??

Thanks
 Quoting: Etta


There is no federal money for a masters degree, you have to get scholarships & grants a different way.

I found this out as I'm going to get my masters degree eventually.
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You are on crack. You can get federal loans for your masters
All this has happened before, and will happen again.
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Gotta love debt slavery. Get 'em while they're young and stupid and they'll be paying it off till they're old and angry.
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If you want your children unburdened, they will not receive an education in the u.s. which is usury and useless besides.
Ah, the steamed mutterings of a dying cuntry.
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Gotta love debt slavery. Get 'em while they're young and stupid and they'll be paying it off till they're old and angry.
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


Try taking the conversation OUT of the caged conditioning.
Having vision beyond the tip of your nose, ie., what kind of prospects kids have for their future in a country where intellectual discovery is dashed you get desperate indebted despair.
Triple tuitions on junk, garbage indebted for decades on a job that might last a year and then falter & try digging out. That's u.s. legacy for the young..we must hate them by the way we are ignoring the wall lies just ahead for them.
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I have heard that community college actually has a higher graduation rate then the universities. Most people in community college are older and have direction and are very serious. Community college is cheaper and those there seem to be driven. Many people who go to community college don't want or can't afford the huge debt with 4 year schools.
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Gotta love debt slavery. Get 'em while they're young and stupid and they'll be paying it off till they're old and angry.
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


Try taking the conversation OUT of the caged conditioning.
Having vision beyond the tip of your nose, ie., what kind of prospects kids have for their future in a country where intellectual discovery is dashed you get desperate indebted despair.
Triple tuitions on junk, garbage indebted for decades on a job that might last a year and then falter & try digging out. That's u.s. legacy for the young..we must hate them by the way we are ignoring the wall lies just ahead for them.
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The pursuit of happiness used to be the carrot, now it's just the stick you're beaten with if you pursue it.

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To big to fail...

Banks SS Medicare .... & Education.

All of it is being pulled down as our govt goes
TU broke in the gutter like a dead whore.
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I have heard that community college actually has a higher graduation rate then the universities. Most people in community college are older and have direction and are very serious. Community college is cheaper and those there seem to be driven. Many people who go to community college don't want or can't afford the huge debt with 4 year schools.
 Quoting: Corn Dog


You're right.
Bring back mentorship too, that's how it was done when enterprise was still an expression of who you are at least into the 1940's.
My son just came of age for current failure choices and I discouraged him past his 2 years in community college, in view of how insecure all professions are in this country.
At least he/we are not indebted into this labyrinth of certain failure called america.

We should wait and rethink everything we're doing. All of it.
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When I went to college just out of high school, I didn't do very well. Years later I went back and graduated with honors. I'm a late bloomer I guess.

That said, I would not sign any student loan papers. This economy is on the verge of collapse.....
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha


THese young people voted for him.

It's called KARMA.


Ha ha ha.


I was talking to an in-law (hispanic) who was smiling and laughing that he voted for Obama, and that now the "rich" people would be paying more in taxes. He was in ecstasy.

So I asked him. What happens when these "rich" people stop eating at the effing restaurant where you are an effing cook?

You should have seen the smile wiped off immediately from his face.
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The brilliant folks didn't think of that when they voted!
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for some reason, this seems appropriate here...



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You are right, but I have no other option -- most don't.

You can always work your way through school and pay as you go. Most of my family had to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582762


The price of education needs to come waaaay down. The only reason it's that expensive in the first place is because of those loans.
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if you're as old as looking back at grades from 1955 you should just go to

khanacademy.org
academicearth.org


you will be able to completely specialize your education and the quality of material is worth much more than you would currently pay on a smaller institution.
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If its so much harder than why are there stories of record numbers of student loans being taken out?
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okay...big boy...now read the "SERVE AMERICA ACT" passed in the 1st year of obama term....ya'll gonna love that one...!!!

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if you're as old as looking back at grades from 1955 you should just go to

khanacademy.org
academicearth.org


you will be able to completely specialize your education and the quality of material is worth much more than you would currently pay on a smaller institution.
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Thanks, I'll look into that. Cuz this isn't generating anything to bring any joy, meaning or pride into young lives.
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The OP seems to feel he is entitled to someone else's money. Probably voted for his Lord and Savior, the O man.
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What I don't get is what does it have to do with Obama? Lol you really think if it was someone else it would be any different or better? The politicians are there for you to believe you have a freedom of choice, they're actors with there own show, it's called you have no freedom. Wake up!
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If its so much harder than why are there stories of record numbers of student loans being taken out?
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Hey, it's an industry. For those not recognizing a pattern, too bad. We've learned nothing from mortgages and banks.
For those thinking an alternative POTUS wouldn't tighten the garrot on your kid's balls in this thoroughly broken set up one-sided system is delusional.
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This is a fucking GREAT thing Obama did, you lazy, worthless pieces of welfare shit.

Most of you bitch about Obama for giving away too much money to those in need, now you bitch about him cutting back on the handouts for student loans! WTF??!!

You can't have it both ways, you fucking idiots!

flip
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This is a fucking GREAT thing Obama did, you lazy, worthless pieces of welfare shit.

Most of you bitch about Obama for giving away too much money to those in need, now you bitch about him cutting back on the handouts for student loans! WTF??!!

You can't have it both ways, you fucking idiots!

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clappa
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This is a fucking GREAT thing Obama did, you lazy, worthless pieces of welfare shit.

Most of you bitch about Obama for giving away too much money to those in need, now you bitch about him cutting back on the handouts for student loans! WTF??!!

You can't have it both ways, you fucking idiots!

flip
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I don't know a lot about the particulars and yet undesireable as 'education' is in the u.s. omitting the debt factor I would think you are right (aside from the worthless pieces of welfare shit traditional phrase which evades the real structural problems effecting everyone).

Working from new debt prevention for an unreasonably inflated value makes sense as well as from the completion end of it.

Usury is morally unfair. It once was illegal. Now it is "legal". Why have problems with those who have no cultural ground to stand upon.

Please learn to reason. All the way through.
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I think some of those things are good.

If someone has NOT Finished in 10 years... then I agree.. the govt should STOP PAYING.
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When it comes to getting governmentsheep loans here is what you need, GOOD LUCK!
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not at all, all you need is another significant liberal vouching for your political correctness, this is always what happens in the end, you need to be a party member in good standing, it becomes tha most obvious of 'secret' societies
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Someone out there tell me why one of the so called richest and free nations on this planet cant give a free bachelors education to its young people

while countries like France, Sweden, and Iran can??

Why is this??e
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Wow! This is good news. About time Congress made it more difficult for the takers to get money from the makers. It shouldn't be easy. I'm LMAO at the students who thought if they vote for obama they'll get whatever they want. Tell us, OP, did you vote for the Kenyan?
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