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Do you really believe that Adam and Eve just appeared out of nowhere? That God handcrafted them and placed them on Earth? If so, why does this not happen now? Isn't there a common theory of life that you have to crawl before you can walk? Why do you Christians believe in something that you have never seen nor witnessed but deny all truth in what reality holds? You will tarnish anothers character for not believing when you in fact are the ones who believe in a bunch of words strewn across delicate, thin white pages. These people are what we would call "Gullible". Why do you not take the time to logically think about your life, the complexity involved in life itself and the meaning of it? Occam Razor says that in most situations the simplest answer is most likely the correct answer, when in fact that answer is not absurd. "Poof" were here. Do you see the irrelevance of that? How about rather than settling for something so easy you dig into your brain and think, WHY? HOW? WHEN? You cannot find those answers, SO, religion was made to simplify those answers for you. To control society. If you do bad you go to hell. You do good, you go to heaven. I have some news for you though. Not all people who don't believe, don't believe in a higher power. Do you think maybe you have misinterpreted the meaning of "GOD" I don't believe I just got here from no where. I believe there was a master plan and I believe we are not here by accident. But I will not lower my human intelligence and just say this is why and there is no other answer. You should do the same.

I envy those who believe, not because of your ignorance, but because the way you live your life. Once you have seen what they don't want you to see, you can never get that comfort back. I envy those who STILL believe.

Thank you for your time, tho that time is almost up.

Yours Truly,
Flash
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in the slight chance that you really want answers to these questions, i will break them down one by one.

Do you really believe that Adam and Eve just appeared out of nowhere? That God handcrafted them and placed them on Earth? If so, why does this not happen now?

Adam was created by God using materials from the earth and space (we actually have star material in are genetic code). Eve was created from materials from Adam - a clone of Adam with female reproductive organs, if you will. All of this happened on Earth. Why doesn't it happen now? No need. God created Adam and Eve sufficiently. There is no need for a new creation.

Isn't there a common theory of life that you have to crawl before you can walk? Why do you Christians believe in something that you have never seen nor witnessed but deny all truth in what reality holds?

The first man and woman DID crawl before they walked. They were blank slates, so to speak. All they knew was what was set before them. The reason why we believe this is because it was passed down from Adam himself, thru oral tradition to his descendents, who continue to describe what happened in strict detail, until the written ability became part of our existence. There is no evidence of another reality that has held up outside of theory.

You will tarnish anothers character for not believing when you in fact are the ones who believe in a bunch of words strewn across delicate, thin white pages. These people are what we would call "Gullible". Why do you not take the time to logically think about your life, the complexity involved in life itself and the meaning of it?

What you are suggesting is thousands, if not millions of people throughout our history are gullible bafoons who do not have the capability of taking ancient writings (from all over the globe) which are verifiable thru archaeological methods, and applying them to our current reality. You are saying that ALL of the scholars and students of these materials are complete idiots. That's a bold statement. A better question to ask would be to say why a person as yourself cannot grasp the ideas passed down thru the generations and why you continue to deny the possibility and search for yourself the answers to the holes in your understanding.

Occam Razor says that in most situations the simplest answer is most likely the correct answer, when in fact that answer is not absurd. "Poof" were here. Do you see the irrelevance of that? How about rather than settling for something so easy you dig into your brain and think, WHY? HOW? WHEN?

Yes, the creation epic IS that simple. It's so simple and pure and divine that most people cannot and will not wrap their head around it because it simply means that God exists, He is real, He created the first man and woman with a grand design, it was written down and remembered, and this is the plain and simple truth?

Why do men complicate this? Because they do not want to find God. They are blinded and for good reason. Their eyes and minds have been restrained. This is temporary, however. Soon, all of the great mysteries will be revealed.

It was not "poof" and we are here. Nobody knows how long it took God to formulate His creation before it was expressed outside of Him. Nobody knows what thought or divine inspiration happened within God before everything was brought forward. And maybe we don't need to know.

You cannot find those answers, SO, religion was made to simplify those answers for you. To control society. If you do bad you go to hell. You do good, you go to heaven.

Religion and the history of mankind in relation to his Creator are two completely different things. It is what it is. Did mankind take religion and use it as a controlling body of governing over the generations? Yes, you bet. And every single one of those institutions are fallen and corrupt. (see my sig line)

The idea of hell is not what most mainstream fundies and the general population realize. It is NOT what most people have been taught.

Thread: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

Whether you do good or bad has no berring on our relationship with God and whether He will love us or not. Our deeds and thoughts have NOTHING to do with it. And anybody who tells you different is just as lost as you might be. Don't believe it. Don't. It is a lie from your enemy that is pivoting mind-sets that will keep you separated from the love of your Creator.

Do you think maybe you have misinterpreted the meaning of "GOD" I don't believe I just got here from no where. I believe there was a master plan and I believe we are not here by accident. But I will not lower my human intelligence and just say this is why and there is no other answer. You should do the same.

Many people misinterpret the divine instruction. But, there is one absolute truth, and if you seek it, it will find you. There is no human power that can give it to you. There is a master plan, and that plan is to re-connect with the Most High God as is intended. Mankind is not the center of this vast, multi-dimensional, intricately designed existence. We can only understand and see a very very small fraction of what actually exists in the realm for which we exist. How can you say that mankind does not need to be connected with it's creator when you don't have a clue as to what brought you here and other answers to the great mysteries. You have a very small, finite, carnal mind, with so many limits they can't be counted by human fingers.

I envy those who believe, not because of your ignorance, but because the way you live your life. Once you have seen what they don't want you to see, you can never get that comfort back. I envy those who STILL believe.

Claiming the thousands of generations of people who have had their eyes opened and have re-established their connection with their creator as IGNORANT is a bold and arrogant statement. the only ignorance i see here is in that statement. You haven't a clue on how to exist in this place. Envy is a useless emotion, but if it something for you to build upon, use it then discard it for the crap that it is.
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Do you really believe that Adam and Eve just appeared out of nowhere? That God handcrafted them and placed them on Earth? If so, why does this not happen now? Isn't there a common theory of life that you have to crawl before you can walk? Why do you Christians believe in something that you have never seen nor witnessed but deny all truth in what reality holds? You will tarnish anothers character for not believing when you in fact are the ones who believe in a bunch of words strewn across delicate, thin white pages. These people are what we would call "Gullible". Why do you not take the time to logically think about your life, the complexity involved in life itself and the meaning of it? Occam Razor says that in most situations the simplest answer is most likely the correct answer, when in fact that answer is not absurd. "Poof" were here. Do you see the irrelevance of that? How about rather than settling for something so easy you dig into your brain and think, WHY? HOW? WHEN? You cannot find those answers, SO, religion was made to simplify those answers for you. To control society. If you do bad you go to hell. You do good, you go to heaven. I have some news for you though. Not all people who don't believe, don't believe in a higher power. Do you think maybe you have misinterpreted the meaning of "GOD" I don't believe I just got here from no where. I believe there was a master plan and I believe we are not here by accident. But I will not lower my human intelligence and just say this is why and there is no other answer. You should do the same.

I envy those who believe, not because of your ignorance, but because the way you live your life. Once you have seen what they don't want you to see, you can never get that comfort back. I envy those who STILL believe.

Thank you for your time, tho that time is almost up.

Yours Truly,
Flash
 Quoting: FlashMob


in the slight chance that you really want answers to these questions, i will break them down one by one.

Do you really believe that Adam and Eve just appeared out of nowhere? That God handcrafted them and placed them on Earth? If so, why does this not happen now?

Adam was created by God using materials from the earth and space (we actually have star material in are genetic code). Eve was created from materials from Adam - a clone of Adam with female reproductive organs, if you will. All of this happened on Earth. Why doesn't it happen now? No need. God created Adam and Eve sufficiently. There is no need for a new creation.

Isn't there a common theory of life that you have to crawl before you can walk? Why do you Christians believe in something that you have never seen nor witnessed but deny all truth in what reality holds?

The first man and woman DID crawl before they walked. They were blank slates, so to speak. All they knew was what was set before them. The reason why we believe this is because it was passed down from Adam himself, thru oral tradition to his descendents, who continue to describe what happened in strict detail, until the written ability became part of our existence. There is no evidence of another reality that has held up outside of theory.

You will tarnish anothers character for not believing when you in fact are the ones who believe in a bunch of words strewn across delicate, thin white pages. These people are what we would call "Gullible". Why do you not take the time to logically think about your life, the complexity involved in life itself and the meaning of it?

What you are suggesting is thousands, if not millions of people throughout our history are gullible bafoons who do not have the capability of taking ancient writings (from all over the globe) which are verifiable thru archaeological methods, and applying them to our current reality. You are saying that ALL of the scholars and students of these materials are complete idiots. That's a bold statement. A better question to ask would be to say why a person as yourself cannot grasp the ideas passed down thru the generations and why you continue to deny the possibility and search for yourself the answers to the holes in your understanding.

Occam Razor says that in most situations the simplest answer is most likely the correct answer, when in fact that answer is not absurd. "Poof" were here. Do you see the irrelevance of that? How about rather than settling for something so easy you dig into your brain and think, WHY? HOW? WHEN?

Yes, the creation epic IS that simple. It's so simple and pure and divine that most people cannot and will not wrap their head around it because it simply means that God exists, He is real, He created the first man and woman with a grand design, it was written down and remembered, and this is the plain and simple truth?

Why do men complicate this? Because they do not want to find God. They are blinded and for good reason. Their eyes and minds have been restrained. This is temporary, however. Soon, all of the great mysteries will be revealed.

It was not "poof" and we are here. Nobody knows how long it took God to formulate His creation before it was expressed outside of Him. Nobody knows what thought or divine inspiration happened within God before everything was brought forward. And maybe we don't need to know.

You cannot find those answers, SO, religion was made to simplify those answers for you. To control society. If you do bad you go to hell. You do good, you go to heaven.

Religion and the history of mankind in relation to his Creator are two completely different things. It is what it is. Did mankind take religion and use it as a controlling body of governing over the generations? Yes, you bet. And every single one of those institutions are fallen and corrupt. (see my sig line)

The idea of hell is not what most mainstream fundies and the general population realize. It is NOT what most people have been taught.

Thread: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

Whether you do good or bad has no berring on our relationship with God and whether He will love us or not. Our deeds and thoughts have NOTHING to do with it. And anybody who tells you different is just as lost as you might be. Don't believe it. Don't. It is a lie from your enemy that is pivoting mind-sets that will keep you separated from the love of your Creator.

Do you think maybe you have misinterpreted the meaning of "GOD" I don't believe I just got here from no where. I believe there was a master plan and I believe we are not here by accident. But I will not lower my human intelligence and just say this is why and there is no other answer. You should do the same.

Many people misinterpret the divine instruction. But, there is one absolute truth, and if you seek it, it will find you. There is no human power that can give it to you. There is a master plan, and that plan is to re-connect with the Most High God as is intended. Mankind is not the center of this vast, multi-dimensional, intricately designed existence. We can only understand and see a very very small fraction of what actually exists in the realm for which we exist. How can you say that mankind does not need to be connected with it's creator when you don't have a clue as to what brought you here and other answers to the great mysteries. You have a very small, finite, carnal mind, with so many limits they can't be counted by human fingers.

I envy those who believe, not because of your ignorance, but because the way you live your life. Once you have seen what they don't want you to see, you can never get that comfort back. I envy those who STILL believe.

Claiming the thousands of generations of people who have had their eyes opened and have re-established their connection with their creator as IGNORANT is a bold and arrogant statement. the only ignorance i see here is in that statement. You haven't a clue on how to exist in this place. Envy is a useless emotion, but if it something for you to build upon, use it then discard it for the crap that it is.
 Quoting: Salt


Thank you Salt for breaking this down for everyone to understand! I am curious what your thoughts are on the subject of 'many are called but few are chosen'. Do you think God chooses certain people and if so, why and what is their purpose in these last days??hf
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Without faith that the Bible is the absolute spoken word of God you are going to have a very hard time being a Christian. But not to worry even the disciples had a very hard time and they were with him seeing all the things that were happening this is a amazing God we serve and many things happen even today that are just un believable my suggestion is keep reading and pray for faith. These are very dangerous times the devil is pulling many away that are weak he cannot steal your salvation however he can ruin the joy of being a Christian. Gods peace my friend
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Here is something that confuses and astounds me. Were I to say that I hear the voice of a giant man with a beard that lives in the clouds who tells me all sorts of things about life the universe and everything. You all would think that I've gone mad and try to medicate me.

Yet I hear every day people tell them that god has spoken to them. What is the difference? What makes your imaginary friend better than mine?
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUE?
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Read a REAL history book and not one that is laced with self contradiction and superstition. I'll gladly take the words of someone who doesn't talk to burning bushes, puts 2 of every animal on earth on the same boat, or comes back as a zombie 3 days after being killed over those that do.
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I asked you how you know it's true?

What proof do you have?

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What proof do you have the bible is true?

Come on convert me. Prove the bible is true. Not what you believe - prove it to me - thanks ....waiting.
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Simple...prophetic prophecy - Bible 100% accurate, but you should do the work yourself, you should dig in and read it for yourself...you're eternal destination depends on it!

You need your own faith in Him!
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People become christians because of "emotional" issues and certainly not because of intellectual understanding. It's this emotional attachment that forbids them from educating themselves thru research.

For many years I called myself christian. I truly believed in God, but circumstances drove me to examine what I believed and why.

I ask myself how I could have rationalized so many bible verses that contradicted each other. I never could understand why god needed to sacrifice his own son for some 'original' sin that made no sense to me.

But it was the cruel judgment so easily passed on others that stopped me in my tracks. As I struggled with these issues my own christian family, ignorant of my struggle, condemned me to the lake of fire for all eternity.

Now I ask you.......where is the love in that?

Now an outcast from family and free of the dogma and condemnation I no longer call myself christian.

I truly believe that religion, no matter what brand, is the cause of every evil under the sun.
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Weird, because through research I discovered Jesus Christ to be the Lord. Just because you're uncomfortable with your faith doesn't mean you have it all figured out. Pray to God with a humble heart, and ask him to reveal himself to you.
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Here is something that confuses and astounds me. Were I to say that I hear the voice of a giant man with a beard that lives in the clouds who tells me all sorts of things about life the universe and everything. You all would think that I've gone mad and try to medicate me.

Yet I hear every day people tell them that god has spoken to them. What is the difference? What makes your imaginary friend better than mine?
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according to Enoch, this is what God looks like:

XXII.

In the tenth Heaven the archangel Michael led Enoch to before the Lord's face.

ON the tenth Heaven, Aravoth, I saw the appearance of the Lord's face, like iron made to glow in fire, and brought out, emitting sparks, and it burns.

2 Thus I saw the Lord's face, but the Lord's face is ineffable, marvellous and very awful, and very, very terrible.

3 And who am I to tell of the Lord's unspeakable being, and of his very wonderful face? And I cannot tell the quantity of his many instructions, and various voices, the Lord's throne very great and not made with hands, nor the quantity of those standing round him, troops of cherubim and seraphim, nor their incessant singing, nor his immutable beauty, and who shall tell of the ineffable greatness of his glory?

4 And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me:

5 'Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity.'

6 And the archistratege Michael lifted me up, and led me to before the Lord's face.

7 And the Lord said to his servants tempting them: 'Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity,' and the glorious ones bowed down to the Lord, and said: 'Let Enoch go according to Thy word.'

8 And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go and take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of My glory.'

9 And Michael did thus, as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun's ray, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

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Thank you Salt for breaking this down for everyone to understand! I am curious what your thoughts are on the subject of 'many are called but few are chosen'. Do you think God chooses certain people and if so, why and what is their purpose in these last days??hf
 Quoting: DaddysGirl


i think God calls out to many, but not very many respond back. the relationship takes two to tango.

the scripture means that God calls out but only a few respond.

the only purpose we have is to believe in God and the One whom He has sent, and of course, keep the commandments. do this and you will live.
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He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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Do you really believe that Adam and Eve just appeared out of nowhere? That God handcrafted them and placed them on Earth? If so, why does this not happen now? Isn't there a common theory of life that you have to crawl before you can walk? Why do you Christians believe in something that you have never seen nor witnessed but deny all truth in what reality holds? You will tarnish anothers character for not believing when you in fact are the ones who believe in a bunch of words strewn across delicate, thin white pages. These people are what we would call "Gullible". Why do you not take the time to logically think about your life, the complexity involved in life itself and the meaning of it? Occam Razor says that in most situations the simplest answer is most likely the correct answer, when in fact that answer is not absurd. "Poof" were here. Do you see the irrelevance of that? How about rather than settling for something so easy you dig into your brain and think, WHY? HOW? WHEN? You cannot find those answers, SO, religion was made to simplify those answers for you. To control society. If you do bad you go to hell. You do good, you go to heaven. I have some news for you though. Not all people who don't believe, don't believe in a higher power. Do you think maybe you have misinterpreted the meaning of "GOD" I don't believe I just got here from no where. I believe there was a master plan and I believe we are not here by accident. But I will not lower my human intelligence and just say this is why and there is no other answer. You should do the same.

I envy those who believe, not because of your ignorance, but because the way you live your life. Once you have seen what they don't want you to see, you can never get that comfort back. I envy those who STILL believe.

Thank you for your time, tho that time is almost up.

Yours Truly,
Flash
 Quoting: FlashMob


Dude, everything is 'written'; your whole history was written. Do you believe any of it even if you weren't there to witness it? At some point, we have to take the word of the witnesses that were there or else everything we are is a befuddled mess. Even the courts send people to their deaths based on the witness accounts of men.

The Bible gave us the testimony of 4 witnesses to the life of Jesus Christ and I think that is more than most of the documented history we have to take as truth. The details of the Bible are most meticulous, in fact.
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Ok...let's look at this from another perspective, shall we?

The Scriptures say that 'a day is as a thousand years with the Lord and a thousand years is a day.'

Soooo, if that is the case, Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day. What if that is an example/analogy of 'all mankind' were created on the sixth day?

During the sixth day, the serpent tempted Eve who seduced Adam and they sinned, which is what mankind has been doing all of these years.

The Scriptures say that on the seventh day God rested and Jesus said that the seventh day (Sabbath) was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

I'm not a normal 'Christian' because I try to rely on what our Father tells me personally and keep Him in a very large box. When a person is referring to the Creator of all things, it's best to not even put Him in a box, to be honest.

That's just my two cents, for what it's worth....hf
 Quoting: DaddysGirl


I'm sure you mean well...but there is not a box big enough! The Universe(s) cannot contain Him!

When you say you're not a "normal" Christian...does it mean you live like the Apostles or the martyr Stephen? Or people like Francis Chan, Paul Washer, George Muller, Robert Chapman or this guy: [link to www.youtube.com] ?

A “normal” follower of Christ, as defined by Scripture is a fully committed, fully surrendered, radical follower of Him at all costs...and the world hates them!

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Is the Bible Divinely Inspired?
By Jason Carlson and Ron Carlson, 5/25/11

During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked me, "Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?" Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask them selves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God? In answering this student's question, I encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:

First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic, just to name a few.

Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.

Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.

Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.

And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe.

Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God's people. Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What's more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God's people; a common theme- God's universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength.

In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God's word truly is an amazing collection of writings!

After I had shared the above facts with this student, I offered him the following challenge: I said to him, "If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, then I challenge you to a test." I said to the student, "I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions." I went on to say, "If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God."

The student's reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated," But that's impossible!"

It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
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Here is something that confuses and astounds me. Were I to say that I hear the voice of a giant man with a beard that lives in the clouds who tells me all sorts of things about life the universe and everything. You all would think that I've gone mad and try to medicate me.

Yet I hear every day people tell them that god has spoken to them. What is the difference? What makes your imaginary friend better than mine?
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


according to Enoch, this is what God looks like:

XXII.

In the tenth Heaven the archangel Michael led Enoch to before the Lord's face.

ON the tenth Heaven, Aravoth, I saw the appearance of the Lord's face, like iron made to glow in fire, and brought out, emitting sparks, and it burns.

2 Thus I saw the Lord's face, but the Lord's face is ineffable, marvellous and very awful, and very, very terrible.

3 And who am I to tell of the Lord's unspeakable being, and of his very wonderful face? And I cannot tell the quantity of his many instructions, and various voices, the Lord's throne very great and not made with hands, nor the quantity of those standing round him, troops of cherubim and seraphim, nor their incessant singing, nor his immutable beauty, and who shall tell of the ineffable greatness of his glory?

4 And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me:

5 'Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity.'

6 And the archistratege Michael lifted me up, and led me to before the Lord's face.

7 And the Lord said to his servants tempting them: 'Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity,' and the glorious ones bowed down to the Lord, and said: 'Let Enoch go according to Thy word.'

8 And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go and take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of My glory.'

9 And Michael did thus, as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun's ray, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

Thread: Enoch wrote about Metatron, Adoil and Archas - the beings who execute the architectural physics of the universe
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and according to John here is what "God" looks like

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. JOH 1:18

Here is from Exodus
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. EXO 33:20

And Timothy also says
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 TIM 6:16

Seems like the book you put so much faith in can't even decide if god is visible to mortals or not.
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By Jason Carlson and Ron Carlson, 5/25/11

During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked me, "Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?" Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask them selves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God? In answering this student's question, I encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:

First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic, just to name a few.

Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.

Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.

Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.

And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe.

Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God's people. Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What's more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God's people; a common theme- God's universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength.

In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God's word truly is an amazing collection of writings!

After I had shared the above facts with this student, I offered him the following challenge: I said to him, "If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, then I challenge you to a test." I said to the student, "I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions." I went on to say, "If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God."

The student's reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated," But that's impossible!"

It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29415017


Oral traditions lead to these similarities. The great flood has its roots back to Sumerian legend. You can find pyramids in Egypt, China, and South America. Can that be also credited to divine inspiration? And if so then why do these 3 different cultures all have different religious beliefs? If you take the story of the bible and cut out all the supernatural mumbo jumbo you will have a decent historical account of early civilization. God = anything that early man could not explain. If you could go back in time with a simple lighter, or even a book of matches the people of that time period would believe you a god for doing something as simple as creating fire "magically".
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Here is something that confuses and astounds me. Were I to say that I hear the voice of a giant man with a beard that lives in the clouds who tells me all sorts of things about life the universe and everything. You all would think that I've gone mad and try to medicate me.

Yet I hear every day people tell them that god has spoken to them. What is the difference? What makes your imaginary friend better than mine?
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


according to Enoch, this is what God looks like:

XXII.

In the tenth Heaven the archangel Michael led Enoch to before the Lord's face.

ON the tenth Heaven, Aravoth, I saw the appearance of the Lord's face, like iron made to glow in fire, and brought out, emitting sparks, and it burns.

2 Thus I saw the Lord's face, but the Lord's face is ineffable, marvellous and very awful, and very, very terrible.

3 And who am I to tell of the Lord's unspeakable being, and of his very wonderful face? And I cannot tell the quantity of his many instructions, and various voices, the Lord's throne very great and not made with hands, nor the quantity of those standing round him, troops of cherubim and seraphim, nor their incessant singing, nor his immutable beauty, and who shall tell of the ineffable greatness of his glory?

4 And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me:

5 'Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity.'

6 And the archistratege Michael lifted me up, and led me to before the Lord's face.

7 And the Lord said to his servants tempting them: 'Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity,' and the glorious ones bowed down to the Lord, and said: 'Let Enoch go according to Thy word.'

8 And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go and take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of My glory.'

9 And Michael did thus, as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun's ray, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

Thread: Enoch wrote about Metatron, Adoil and Archas - the beings who execute the architectural physics of the universe
 Quoting: Salt


and according to John here is what "God" looks like

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. JOH 1:18

Here is from Exodus
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. EXO 33:20

And Timothy also says
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 TIM 6:16

Seems like the book you put so much faith in can't even decide if god is visible to mortals or not.
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if you read the passage from Enoch, he had to be physically changed to be in the presence of God. he had to become like the angels (the glorious ones) in order to even be in God's presence.

in addition to that, after Enoch had seen God, he was allowed to come back to Earth long enough to educate his sons and then God took him back up. He didn't die. He simply was removed from this place.
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" . . . Why do you Christians believe in something that you have never seen nor witnessed . . .

Yours Truly,
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Wehave something:

itis called "Word of Mouth".

Now ihave politly answered your question, please answer myn:

Why do dummies always need to scold Christians?

OH YEAH!

The United States Of America is in fact a Christian Nation
or Israel cannot be a Jew Nation:
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URgent message for all of America:
War on Christmas:
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I'm just glad Science has so thoroughly rejected the idea of "intelligent design".

Oh....wait....
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By Jason Carlson and Ron Carlson, 5/25/11

During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked me, "Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?" Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask them selves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God? In answering this student's question, I encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:

First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic, just to name a few.

Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.

Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.

Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.

And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe.

Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God's people. Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What's more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God's people; a common theme- God's universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength.

In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God's word truly is an amazing collection of writings!

After I had shared the above facts with this student, I offered him the following challenge: I said to him, "If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, then I challenge you to a test." I said to the student, "I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions." I went on to say, "If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God."

The student's reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated," But that's impossible!"

It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29415017


Oral traditions lead to these similarities. The great flood has its roots back to Sumerian legend. You can find pyramids in Egypt, China, and South America. Can that be also credited to divine inspiration? And if so then why do these 3 different cultures all have different religious beliefs? If you take the story of the bible and cut out all the supernatural mumbo jumbo you will have a decent historical account of early civilization. God = anything that early man could not explain. If you could go back in time with a simple lighter, or even a book of matches the people of that time period would believe you a god for doing something as simple as creating fire "magically".
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Sumerian is NOT the most ancient language. Stop following lost bafoons like Sitchin.

The Sumerian cuneiform were etched during the time of the Nephilim. There were many corrupt hybrids that wanted to take credit for everything.
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To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
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By Jason Carlson and Ron Carlson, 5/25/11

During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked me, "Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?" Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask them selves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God? In answering this student's question, I encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:

First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic, just to name a few.

Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.

Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.

Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.

And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe.

Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God's people. Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What's more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God's people; a common theme- God's universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength.

In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God's word truly is an amazing collection of writings!

After I had shared the above facts with this student, I offered him the following challenge: I said to him, "If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, then I challenge you to a test." I said to the student, "I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions." I went on to say, "If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God."

The student's reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated," But that's impossible!"

It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29415017


Oral traditions lead to these similarities. The great flood has its roots back to Sumerian legend. You can find pyramids in Egypt, China, and South America. Can that be also credited to divine inspiration? And if so then why do these 3 different cultures all have different religious beliefs? If you take the story of the bible and cut out all the supernatural mumbo jumbo you will have a decent historical account of early civilization. God = anything that early man could not explain. If you could go back in time with a simple lighter, or even a book of matches the people of that time period would believe you a god for doing something as simple as creating fire "magically".
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Sumerian is NOT the most ancient language. Stop following lost bafoons like Sitchin.

The Sumerian cuneiform were etched during the time of the Nephilim. There were many corrupt hybrids that wanted to take credit for everything.
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And I'm assuming you can provide some peer reviewed source material proving that the nephilim aren't just as imaginary as the titans.
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And I'm assuming you can provide some peer reviewed source material proving that the nephilim aren't just as imaginary as the titans.
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well, every culture on the earth wrote about them.
even testimonies of interactions with them and their rulers, etc.

in this link, at the bottom, is a list of reference materials that you can access.

if that isn't enough, i have a list of books that you can read.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

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interesting thing about Noah. He was born with a condition called Aposthia, which means he was born without foreskin.

it was from this that later on became circumcision in order to set a group of people apart from everyone else.
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By Jason Carlson and Ron Carlson, 5/25/11

During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked me, "Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?" Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask them selves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God? In answering this student's question, I encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:

First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic, just to name a few.

Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.

Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.

Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.

And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe.

Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God's people. Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What's more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God's people; a common theme- God's universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength.

In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God's word truly is an amazing collection of writings!

After I had shared the above facts with this student, I offered him the following challenge: I said to him, "If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, then I challenge you to a test." I said to the student, "I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions." I went on to say, "If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God."

The student's reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated," But that's impossible!"

It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29415017


Oral traditions lead to these similarities. The great flood has its roots back to Sumerian legend. You can find pyramids in Egypt, China, and South America. Can that be also credited to divine inspiration? And if so then why do these 3 different cultures all have different religious beliefs? If you take the story of the bible and cut out all the supernatural mumbo jumbo you will have a decent historical account of early civilization. God = anything that early man could not explain. If you could go back in time with a simple lighter, or even a book of matches the people of that time period would believe you a god for doing something as simple as creating fire "magically".
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


But, the point is, these authors witnessed this 'supernatural mumbo jumbo', so why should we 'get rid of it'? And this coming from someone who spends a lot of time on a forum which reports and wants to believe other such 'supernatural' accounts that happen today. *sighs*

The great flood having its roots in Sumerian legend? Wouldn't the Sumerians have also experienced this 'great flood'? All this debate does, truly, is validate that there WAS a great flood, but then that would ruin your true purpose in denying the truths of the Bible, eh? So, in stead let's focus on thievery and our personal bias and ego/pride, rather than seeking the truth. Very disappointing. This account should excite even the atheist in probing all the facts, so it makes one wonder as to your true intent.

You have already closed your eyes and heart; there is no point in discussing it with someone who is not in it to seek truth. Even you have to rely on the written accounts or mere men in order to know your past, and truthfully, without it you would be 'no one'. And yet, I suppose you accept it without debate, no? So, the historical realities of this particular book, the Bible, must mean that you just want to prove your belief as 'right', even if it means cutting out a very large portion of history and that really is just a shame.
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Good explanation of the meaning of faith.

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And I'm assuming you can provide some peer reviewed source material proving that the nephilim aren't just as imaginary as the titans.
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well, every culture on the earth wrote about them.
even testimonies of interactions with them and their rulers, etc.

in this link, at the bottom, is a list of reference materials that you can access.

if that isn't enough, i have a list of books that you can read.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
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Yes, very possible and truthful sounding:

As a breeder of fine animals, a very strange thing happened to me after years and years of work, and itis the Neva Masquerade, which will make a believer of anyone.

The Kremlin has one init right now.

Hereis his picture, but itisnot so much the looks as everything else about it, the Neva Masquerade:
[link to picturegood.weebly.com]

This is my golden Neva Masquerade, Dusky:
She swags a shag like nobody has;
She stalks a walk to make ‘em gawk;
She is she, the cat of Russia . . .
She is Russia . . . Russia, Russia
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Sumerian is NOT the most ancient language. Stop following lost bafoons like Sitchin.

The Sumerian cuneiform were etched during the time of the Nephilim. There were many corrupt hybrids that wanted to take credit for everything.


And I'm assuming you can provide some peer reviewed source material proving that the nephilim aren't just as imaginary as the titans.




Nephilim - researching Giants and perhaps as importantly, how the skeletons have been hidden from us, might be a good place to start...

here's a TED presenter you might find interesting:

Stone Builders, Mound Builders and the Giants of Ancient America | Jim Vieira at TEDxShelburneFalls

[link to www.youtube.com]

:)
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I was once a christian. I loved 'the lord' and prayed to 'jesus'...but I started reading and woke up.
Once I'd dumped that mind numbing bullshit I began to enjoy the diversity life has to offer.
I couldn't go back to christianity ever again. :-)
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It takes no logic to deny the existence of a God that you don't want to exist.

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