Christians, did jesus use the KJV? | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22089462 12/09/2012 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ did not "use" the Word.. Christ IS the Word . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29371972 Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Then why didn't he write a single word of the NT? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27211004 12/09/2012 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ did not "use" the Word.. Christ IS the Word . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29371972 Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Then why didn't he write a single word of the NT? He was the word. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24488287 12/09/2012 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ did not "use" the Word.. Christ IS the Word . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29371972 Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Yes but every Sabbath he went to the Synagogues and preached from the Law & Prophets, and often quoted from them. Thats right. What I wanna know is what book did he point to? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29385174 12/09/2012 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that the techniques employed in standardizing the text were already present at the time of Jesus. With great rigour (the scribes of that time didn't fail at this). The scribes didn't tolerate errors, and my unsderstanding is that one only error would cause all the page to be not just discared, but to be burnt so it was guarranted not to be mixed into other books or being read accidentally by other people. Since KJV (1611) follows Masoretic, and Masoretic is closest to what they had at the time (probably identical, given the rigour), then KJV (1611) is the closest to what Jesus was reading/quoting at His time. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 12/09/2012 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would so well no. Quoting: reaperz73 But now matter which translation you go with they all same about the same thing download e-sword [link to www.e-sword.net] compare them all. Pretty much the same But e-Sword.net doesn't have all the texts in existence, it does not even have any of the Aramaic Text lines at all. And it does not yet have any of the Dead Sea Scrolls Hebrew texts either. And there are many Greek texts that are not to be found on e-Sword yet. e-Sword also gets liked to the inexhaustive Hebrew to Englsih and Greek to English lexicons of Strong's. e-Sword is a good start, but only a good start. sorta like the 1st week of 5th Grade. The Old Testament, aka, the Tanach even of the older manuscripts and codice of Hebrew never had any vowel markings. It is the Oral Law(or Traditions of the Pharisees) that decided between 137 A.D. and into the 1100 A.D., to decide what vowels of the Hebrew 'should be' as to be inserted. The Tradition of pronouncitation was considered to be The Authority. Go figure. At least the LXX has vowels in it. Was it originally KJV.. no way in hell, or wait, yes, Only in Hell was the KJV the 'original Bible'. Same could be said of the NIV for that matter. Did Abraham write a Book? If so, in what Language? He was of Ur of the Chaldeans according to the later 'Bible'.. what language writing system did Abraham use? Abraham is reckoned to have lived somewhere around 2,300 B.C. to 2,100 B.C. Do we have any of Jacob-Isreal's 'book'? If he had written it down for his prosperity? What writing system would Jacob-Israel have used? We don't know. What we have or at least many thing they have is a line of textual descend apparently down from the time of Ezra and Neimiah's day. What writing system did they use or discover in the ruins of Solomon's Temples? WE don't know. Lots Not Known -- Lot's no longer in existence in its original forms. In 300 more years will the original parchament of the U.S COnstituion even still be in physical existence? Or will only copies of copies of copies of it then still exist? Big questions... Its all By Faith. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 12/09/2012 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You cannot change the words and meaning of the original languages so that is the constant. The variable is the English translation; just how accurate does the English version convey the meaning of the original. I've done the work. I can tell you hands down the KJV is the most correct. But it does contain errors and even the 50 original KJV translators wrote a 50 page letter to the reader for guidance and info pertaining to the translation effort and possible mistakes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18225135 So have you done the due diligence yourself before trying to make an issue where there is not? "You cannot change the words and meaning of the original languages so that is the constant." That claim is fraudulent. Take the Torah. The Hebrew of the Torah, alleged by many to have been written down allegedly in Moses' own hand. Moses is thought to have lives somewhere between 1,900 B.C. and 1,300 B.C. depending on what chronologies one takes as their favorite one. Ezra and Nehemiah writing or copying in somewhere around 500 B.C. (very roughly speaking)... would have been speaking a Hebrew language that was around 800 years newer or more recently than Moses... Just go back to the spoken English (where are the MP3 recording of people actualy speaking in English in 1,200 A.D. btw) the English speaker of today would not have the sligthest idea what that 1,200 A.D. English speaker was saying. Attempt to read Old English and see how far you get unless you have deeply studied it... for instance. The meanings of words change over generations, do they now? Even to the place where "True" is "Lie".. in standard Orwellians fashion. Who writes the Lexicons of translation tools? Ah.. but there is the rub. He that Controls the Lexicons is the True Magi. Even Luther understood that. As did all the Popes of antiquity. Even Jerome understood that -- in his 405 A.D. Vulgate, understood that. The KJV is nothing more than a Politically Correct version of an English Translation. Just as in its day the Bishop's Bible or the Geneava Bible translations were also seen as the 'politicaly correct' translation version of the Bible in those culutres. We don't have any of the original hand written texts of any of this all in existence today. The closest we can come seems to be those texts found in the Dead Sea Scroll themselves in their thousands of fragments at that. |
| Anonymous Cowherder FEMA Region IX. User ID: 28230270 12/09/2012 02:38 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You cannot change the words and meaning of the original languages so that is the constant. The variable is the English translation; just how accurate does the English version convey the meaning of the original. I've done the work. I can tell you hands down the KJV is the most correct. But it does contain errors and even the 50 original KJV translators wrote a 50 page letter to the reader for guidance and info pertaining to the translation effort and possible mistakes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18225135 So have you done the due diligence yourself before trying to make an issue where there is not? "You cannot change the words and meaning of the original languages so that is the constant." That claim is fraudulent. Take the Torah. The Hebrew of the Torah, alleged by many to have been written down allegedly in Moses' own hand. Moses is thought to have lives somewhere between 1,900 B.C. and 1,300 B.C. depending on what chronologies one takes as their favorite one. Ezra and Nehemiah writing or copying in somewhere around 500 B.C. (very roughly speaking)... would have been speaking a Hebrew language that was around 800 years newer or more recently than Moses... Just go back to the spoken English (where are the MP3 recording of people actualy speaking in English in 1,200 A.D. btw) the English speaker of today would not have the sligthest idea what that 1,200 A.D. English speaker was saying. Attempt to read Old English and see how far you get unless you have deeply studied it... for instance. The meanings of words change over generations, do they now? Even to the place where "True" is "Lie".. in standard Orwellians fashion. Who writes the Lexicons of translation tools? Ah.. but there is the rub. He that Controls the Lexicons is the True Magi. Even Luther understood that. As did all the Popes of antiquity. Even Jerome understood that -- in his 405 A.D. Vulgate, understood that. The KJV is nothing more than a Politically Correct version of an English Translation. Just as in its day the Bishop's Bible or the Geneava Bible translations were also seen as the 'politicaly correct' translation version of the Bible in those culutres. We don't have any of the original hand written texts of any of this all in existence today. The closest we can come seems to be those texts found in the Dead Sea Scroll themselves in their thousands of fragments at that. have you ever read "The Gods of the Copybook Headings" by Kipling. speaks to this same matter, language being changed and manipulated... [link to www.kipling.org.uk] I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist. I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is an outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good. It's a flower, not something to be feared. Thread: One "Member" That Everyone Should Know... Thread: Ben Swann leaving Fox 19, where should he go? [Poll] - Moo! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27211004 12/09/2012 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ did not "use" the Word.. Christ IS the Word . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29371972 Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Yes but every Sabbath he went to the Synagogues and preached from the Law & Prophets, and often quoted from them. Thats right. What I wanna know is what book did he point to? He was always useing scripture so the scripture he studied and used had to be written down as a reference. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27211004 12/09/2012 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that the techniques employed in standardizing the text were already present at the time of Jesus. With great rigour (the scribes of that time didn't fail at this). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29385174 The scribes didn't tolerate errors, and my unsderstanding is that one only error would cause all the page to be not just discared, but to be burnt so it was guarranted not to be mixed into other books or being read accidentally by other people. Since KJV (1611) follows Masoretic, and Masoretic is closest to what they had at the time (probably identical, given the rigour), then KJV (1611) is the closest to what Jesus was reading/quoting at His time. Greek was the high language of jesus' day. Masorite was an invened language of best guesses to reconstruct a dead language. Arabic was a common/low language. The real israelites probably spoke greek because it was close to the ancient hebrew language of moses who spoke phonecian. |