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Can a Born Again Christian be a Methamphetamine User?

 
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Can a Born Again Christian be a Methamphetamine User?
What does the Bible say about Christians using hard drugs?

Can a Christian be born again and occasionally use drugs?

Can a Christian drink Alcohol?

Can a Christian take prescription medication that causes hallucinogenic side effects and still be saved?
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12/09/2012 03:38 AM
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the bible says you can practically do anything you want and be forgiven for it...pppfff
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Should Christian parents administer serotonin reuptake inhibitors for treatment of ADHD?

Does this go against Scripture?
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12/09/2012 03:42 AM
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True repentance means you will stop doing those things.


God is not stupid. God knows what you're thinking and doing at all times. Trying to trick God is retarded.
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12/09/2012 03:44 AM
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Well pretty much if you believed in that it says you wouldn't want to do those things because you would be to busy praying and preaching and learning the bible.
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12/09/2012 03:48 AM
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What about Caffeine?

Caffeine is a stimulant. Is it against scripture?
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Re: Can a Born Again Christian be a Methamphetamine User?
Christian Monks in the middle ages discovered they could stay awake longer to pray and read the bible while under the influence of Coffee.
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12/09/2012 03:56 AM
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Actually, nowhere in the bible does it say not to do any of that.

Wine is given as the blood.

God gave us ALL fruit bearing plants for our consumption (Yes, the cocoa plant and Marijuana were God given, don't argue that. Most drugs are plant extracts of some kind anyhow).

I would never personally treat ADHD with SSRIs or MAOIs. They dilute the mind. Aderall is a much better choice, I know this as I take it for my ADHD (21 here).

Christians who tell you God will not forgive you for your sins are idiots and not true Christians. A weakness for sins of the flesh is fine as long as you understand it's wrong and don't revel in your sin. Feeling sorrow and desiring atonement is enough when you have sinned.

But using alcohol and drugs is not a sin. It's just something most Christians disagree with because they're closed-minded.
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12/09/2012 03:57 AM
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Re: Can a Born Again Christian be a Methamphetamine User?
What does the Bible say about Christians using hard drugs?

Can a Christian be born again and occasionally use drugs?

Can a Christian drink Alcohol?

Can a Christian take prescription medication that causes hallucinogenic side effects and still be saved?
 Quoting: xev 3767410


Yes, a Christian can drink alcohol.

Even Jesus transformed water into wine, not into milk or somthing else.

A lot of Christian cults do the mistake to use must for comunion.

A REAL Christian needs to drink wine at comunion.
Wine is a symbol for Jesus' blood.


In my OPINION / what I understand from the bible:
You can eat/drink anything you want, but you should not be dependend.

Same for alcohol, once you are dependent (an alcoholic) you have a problem!
Same for drugs and anything else.
Even for coffee.

Dependnce is the problem.
When your heart is tied there (alcohol, drugs) more than to Jesus Christ / God and his holy word!

hf
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12/09/2012 03:58 AM
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Who cares?
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12/09/2012 05:06 AM
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We are meant to build our bodies up and use them to glorify God and all his creation. I struggled with drug addiction for the longest time, but finally came to the realization that it is not of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.
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12/09/2012 05:54 AM
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No drugs, no pork or anything unclean.


Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
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12/09/2012 06:04 AM
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The real question is can a Christian be easily ground up and the nutrients extracted for use in rituals?
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12/09/2012 06:04 AM
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[link to biblez.com]

Therefore, let's not fall asleep like others do, but let's stay awake and be sober.

Stay alert! Watch ... Be sober-minded; be watchful.
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What about Caffeine?

Caffeine is a stimulant. Is it against scripture?
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Yes it is.
The Book of Hallucinations-excised from the Bible by Constantine-specifically forbids coffee, tea (sorry all you Poms), cocoa with milk,chocolate biscuits and sex with marsupials under the influence of LSD.
However Johnny Walker (Black and Blue labels only) and fine Cuban cigars are permissible.
Blessings upon you brother.
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12/09/2012 06:09 AM
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The real question is can a Christian be easily ground up and the nutrients extracted for use in rituals?
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Yes.
For the best results a young member of the church of Latter Day Saints gives a full range of minerals and vitamins.
Krishna worshippers make fine condiments and are a good substitute for salt and pepper.
Bless you brother.
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Re: Can a Born Again Christian be a Methamphetamine User?
What does the Bible say about Christians using hard drugs?

Can a Christian be born again and occasionally use drugs?

Can a Christian drink Alcohol?

Can a Christian take prescription medication that causes hallucinogenic side effects and still be saved?
 Quoting: xev 3767410


Hey OP you might want to look at George Ritchies Near Death Experience it should awnser your questions. Addictions can keep you earthbound when you pass into the world of spirits. This is why its important to conquer a addiction before passing on.
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12/09/2012 06:16 AM
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Hell No.

But he can be a N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine user then repent.
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12/09/2012 06:20 AM
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Yes....but posting about it on GLP nullifies everything...
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12/09/2012 06:28 AM
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Nothing can oppose gods will.. NOTHING. If your doing it its cos the big guy wanted you to.
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12/09/2012 06:32 AM
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Nothing can oppose gods will.. NOTHING. If your doing it its cos the big guy wanted you to.
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iamwith

Return to me,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'and I will return to you,' says the LORD Almighty. Zechariah 1:3

but if you return to me and obey my commands, then even if your exiled people are at the farthest horizon, I will gather them from there and bring them to the place I have chosen as a dwelling for my Name.' Nehemiah 1:9
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Re: Can a Born Again Christian be a Methamphetamine User?
What does the Bible say about Christians using hard drugs?

Can a Christian be born again and occasionally use drugs?

Can a Christian drink Alcohol?

Can a Christian take prescription medication that causes hallucinogenic side effects and still be saved?
 Quoting: xev 3767410


Yes, a Christian can drink alcohol.

Even Jesus transformed water into wine, not into milk or somthing else.

A lot of Christian cults do the mistake to use must for comunion.

A REAL Christian needs to drink wine at comunion.
Wine is a symbol for Jesus' blood.


In my OPINION / what I understand from the bible:
You can eat/drink anything you want, but you should not be dependend.

Same for alcohol, once you are dependent (an alcoholic) you have a problem!
Same for drugs and anything else.
Even for coffee.

Dependnce is the problem.
When your heart is tied there (alcohol, drugs) more than to Jesus Christ / God and his holy word!

hf
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According to your book Noah drank some wine and got raped by his son, what does god think about that?
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What about Caffeine?

Caffeine is a stimulant. Is it against scripture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3767410



If it alters the mind, or an unclean food, it is not wise. Satan will take advantage of the situation.

Jesus turned the water into grape juice not alcoholic wine. Even when on the cross as the Roman guards offered Jesus a strong drink he refused.

What happens is the Holy Spirit cannot occupy a temple under the influence.

Cant read the Bible all stoned and expect any help from the Holy Spirit.
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What about Caffeine?

Caffeine is a stimulant. Is it against scripture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3767410



If it alters the mind, or an unclean food, it is not wise. Satan will take advantage of the situation.

Jesus turned the water into grape juice not alcoholic wine. Even when on the cross as the Roman guards offered Jesus a strong drink he refused.

What happens is the Holy Spirit cannot occupy a temple under the influence.

Cant read the Bible all stoned and expect any help from the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: - 29002615


Why did your god allow things to grow naturally then? why do men in dresses fanny about with incense in your churches?
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According to your book Noah drank some wine and got raped by his son, what does god think about that?
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Read it again. Noah got drunk and his sons saw his nakedness & drunkenness. Noah had just seen the world destroyed. But it was still not good and nothing good came from it.
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According to your book Noah drank some wine and got raped by his son, what does god think about that?
 Quoting: SheldonCooper



Read it again. Noah got drunk and his sons saw his nakedness & drunkenness. Noah had just seen the world destroyed. But it was still not good and nothing good came from it.
 Quoting: - 29002615


Ham raped him, his sons saw what he did, god didnt care.
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What about Caffeine?

Caffeine is a stimulant. Is it against scripture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3767410



If it alters the mind, or an unclean food, it is not wise. Satan will take advantage of the situation.

Jesus turned the water into grape juice not alcoholic wine. Even when on the cross as the Roman guards offered Jesus a strong drink he refused.

What happens is the Holy Spirit cannot occupy a temple under the influence.

Cant read the Bible all stoned and expect any help from the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: - 29002615


Why did your god allow things to grow naturally then? why do men in dresses fanny about with incense in your churches?
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


All in its time. For now it´s the repentance time. Time of the unleavened bread.
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What about Caffeine?

Caffeine is a stimulant. Is it against scripture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3767410



If it alters the mind, or an unclean food, it is not wise. Satan will take advantage of the situation.

Jesus turned the water into grape juice not alcoholic wine. Even when on the cross as the Roman guards offered Jesus a strong drink he refused.

What happens is the Holy Spirit cannot occupy a temple under the influence.

Cant read the Bible all stoned and expect any help from the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: - 29002615


Why did your god allow things to grow naturally then? why do men in dresses fanny about with incense in your churches?
 Quoting: SheldonCooper



There are many creatures and plants in the world growing for various reasons. God did tell us what is good for food. Everything else is unclean.
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What about Caffeine?

Caffeine is a stimulant. Is it against scripture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3767410



If it alters the mind, or an unclean food, it is not wise. Satan will take advantage of the situation.

Jesus turned the water into grape juice not alcoholic wine. Even when on the cross as the Roman guards offered Jesus a strong drink he refused.

What happens is the Holy Spirit cannot occupy a temple under the influence.

Cant read the Bible all stoned and expect any help from the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: - 29002615


Why did your god allow things to grow naturally then? why do men in dresses fanny about with incense in your churches?
 Quoting: SheldonCooper



There are many creatures and plants in the world growing for various reasons. God did tell us what is good for food. Everything else is unclean.
 Quoting: - 29002615


So your god created unclean things and put them everywhere for no apparent reason?
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According to your book Noah drank some wine and got raped by his son, what does god think about that?
 Quoting: SheldonCooper



Read it again. Noah got drunk and his sons saw his nakedness & drunkenness. Noah had just seen the world destroyed. But it was still not good and nothing good came from it.
 Quoting: - 29002615


Ham raped him, his sons saw what he did, god didnt care.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


sigh


Gn 9:20 And Noah began to be an farmer, and he planted a vineyard:

9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers without.

9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it on both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done to him.

9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers.

9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

9:28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.
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You'd think God would tell his followers that OP is a cynical mocker.
But no.
Doesn't seem to tell them much of anything except what was written in a Buk two and a half thousand years ago.

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