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Illegal Gets FREE KIDNEY .....yep, tax dollars at work

 
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I'm confused. What are taxpayers paying for?

The article says that "Loyola covers costs of transplant".

Hospitals do that sometimes.
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oh. about a million bucks worth of follow up care and medication, disability payment and at least one followup transplant and a waiver for his family to stay and go on aid as well as work under the table and sent the cash to mehico.
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This is disgusting. This man's life was saved and all you guys can care about is if he pays taxes are not.

Besides which, he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
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OK... iamwith

When the hospital does it for free we pay for it.. our costs go up...

NOTHING in this world is FREE...
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This is disgusting. This man's life was saved and all you guys can care about is if he pays taxes are not.

Besides which, he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
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Yea. Sloppy thread title. Looking, but I can't find anything that states the government provided anything to fund the bill...
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What would you get free if you entered Mexico illegally...
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This is disgusting. This man's life was saved and all you guys can care about is if he pays taxes are not.

Besides which, he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
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OK... iamwith

When the hospital does it for free we pay for it.. our costs go up...

NOTHING in this world is FREE...
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That's not true. A hospital gets donations from individuals and companies.
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This is disgusting. This man's life was saved and all you guys can care about is if he pays taxes are not.

Besides which, he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
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I need new knees, cant get insurance. Who will give me that after I've served and paid a few million in taxes?
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The reality is, for all the bleeding-heart "Christians", is that the U.S. is a cursed nation now.

Don't believe it? Look at the descriptions of a blessed nation vs. a cursed nation in Deuteronomy 28.

A nation that is in debt, having to borrow, that has all of its wealth taken from its rightful children and given to foreigners, be it foreign nations or foreign invaders, is a cursed nation.

We are also a lawless nation. Sure, we have gazillions of laws on the books, and more added every day, but they don't enforce JUSTICE, and they are not equally applied or equally enforced to one and all. That amounts to LAWLESSNESS.

The Antichrist will be called "The Lawless One", because he will be evil, and unjust.
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This is disgusting. This man's life was saved and all you guys can care about is if he pays taxes are not.

Besides which, he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
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OK... iamwith

When the hospital does it for free we pay for it.. our costs go up...

NOTHING in this world is FREE...
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Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just let Illegal Aliens die because it might impact our bill slightly.

Jesus fucking Christ I've never been more disappointed in humanity then this moment. Everyone bitching about this really needs to look at themselves and think about how important life is.
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I'm confused. What are taxpayers paying for?

The article says that "Loyola covers costs of transplant".

Hospitals do that sometimes.
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The hospital pays for it, and then files it as a loss when they do their taxes- from what I understand. That is how taxpayers pay for unpaid hospital visits.
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And? Healthcare is a human right, not a privilege. You haters are very selfish. One star for you.
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No, it's not. I do not need to provide healthcare to you as much as I do not need to provide a house to you. If I don't work, then you get nothing and there's nothing you can do to force me to work.
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I'm confused. What are taxpayers paying for?

The article says that "Loyola covers costs of transplant".

Hospitals do that sometimes.
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oh. about a million bucks worth of follow up care and medication, disability payment and at least one followup transplant and a waiver for his family to stay and go on aid as well as work under the table and sent the cash to mehico.
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That's speculative I guess, whether he will get disability or whether he would have to pay out of pocket. Isn't it?

I guess grants given by the government would also fund it, but donations and such are also at play here.

I don't know... this is tricky. Gotta feel bad for the guy on some level. Came here at the age of 1, the system never sent him back after all these years, He's now 24...

I just can't even imagine going through something like that.
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This is disgusting. This man's life was saved and all you guys can care about is if he pays taxes are not.

Besides which, he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9266723



OK... iamwith

When the hospital does it for free we pay for it.. our costs go up...

NOTHING in this world is FREE...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208


Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just let Illegal Aliens die because it might impact our bill slightly.

Jesus fucking Christ I've never been more disappointed in humanity then this moment. Everyone bitching about this really needs to look at themselves and think about how important life is.
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look pendeho, he has insurance, IN fkkin MEXICO, he simply doesnt want to go and get it.
This is not an emergency, it's a choice to continue living as a wet and making the nation pay for his entire family.
The cost of each individual wet is no more tolerable because they claim staying home is not optimal for them personally
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So I expect most of you would rather the person died, I am glad the person got what they needed, anyone else should be to. Happens here all the time. Anyone who's tax dollers were spent on this should be happy they saved a life. Look at the positive not the negative of the situation.
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So, there wasn't a person who was legally a member of our society who could have used this life-saving transplant? I suspect that this criminal occupier of our country cost someone else their life by taking this transplant. Where is your outrage about that? What if your 3 year old kid and an illegal alien were both a match for a kidney and they sneaked their ass into England and took it? I suppose you'd be just fine with that happening, right? Human life and rights and shit, right? Sure you would...
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Damn this shit. How many Americans who have worked hard all their lives to pay taxes are on organ donor lists praying for a kidney, etc. at huge cost. This asshole walks over the border and takes one for free. Damn this illegal and damn the enablers who allowed this. A decent American citizen who contributes to society could have needed that kidney to live.
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Still a human. Grow up.
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I'm confused. What are taxpayers paying for?

The article says that "Loyola covers costs of transplant".

Hospitals do that sometimes.
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The hospital pays for it, and then files it as a loss when they do their taxes- from what I understand. That is how taxpayers pay for unpaid hospital visits.
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Got it. Thanks for explaining that.


Still though, seems pretty horrid to turn people away. No matter who it is. I hope he lives through this and finds better days.
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This is disgusting. This man's life was saved and all you guys can care about is if he pays taxes are not.

Besides which, he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9266723



OK... iamwith

When the hospital does it for free we pay for it.. our costs go up...

NOTHING in this world is FREE...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208


Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just let Illegal Aliens die because it might impact our bill slightly.

Jesus fucking Christ I've never been more disappointed in humanity then this moment. Everyone bitching about this really needs to look at themselves and think about how important life is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9266723


look pendeho, he has insurance, IN fkkin MEXICO, he simply doesnt want to go and get it.
This is not an emergency, it's a choice to continue living as a wet and making the nation pay for his entire family.
The cost of each individual wet is no more tolerable because they claim staying home is not optimal for them personally
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He doesn't LIVE in MEXICO he LIVES in the US! He has for twenty three years! He has a life HERE.

You want him to just move to Mexico and HOPE he can get a transplant? Lose his job and all his friends and family in the states?

He needed a transplant, and a very kind hospital provided one for him, saving his life. This should be a heartwarming story, not an angry one.
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I'm confused. What are taxpayers paying for?

The article says that "Loyola covers costs of transplant".

Hospitals do that sometimes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29393976


oh. about a million bucks worth of follow up care and medication, disability payment and at least one followup transplant and a waiver for his family to stay and go on aid as well as work under the table and sent the cash to mehico.
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That's speculative I guess, whether he will get disability or whether he would have to pay out of pocket. Isn't it?

I guess grants given by the government would also fund it, but donations and such are also at play here.

I don't know... this is tricky. Gotta feel bad for the guy on some level. Came here at the age of 1, the system never sent him back after all these years, He's now 24...

I just can't even imagine going through something like that.
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youre an idiot making the claims you make.
youre simply refusing to pay attention.
anyone arriving for free organs already has played the available system for pitys sake.
We have NO FKING idea if their family has a US public hacienda is old mehico, we know nothing but a claim for need, which should you care, at least half of america can make, and more properly about 99% of america can because should you notice every man woman and child OWES to mr gummint banker at least 50k that they dont have.
Just because nobody's come to collect doesnt mean they dont expect you to pay.
The wets dont have anyone keeping a ledger expecting them to pay anything, and if someone does, they hop skip and jump right back to sunny mehico, laughing all the way
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So I expect most of you would rather the person died, I am glad the person got what they needed, anyone else should be to. Happens here all the time. Anyone who's tax dollers were spent on this should be happy they saved a life. Look at the positive not the negative of the situation.
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So, there wasn't a person who was legally a member of our society who could have used this life-saving transplant? I suspect that this criminal occupier of our country cost someone else their life by taking this transplant. Where is your outrage about that? What if your 3 year old kid and an illegal alien were both a match for a kidney and they sneaked their ass into England and took it? I suppose you'd be just fine with that happening, right? Human life and rights and shit, right? Sure you would...
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Considering you can live pretty long on Dialysis without a kidney, and they go to the people who need them the MOST on the list... I'd guess not, though it is possible.
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america, the land of the free lunch for anyone bold enough to grab it and demand the taxpayers suck their dicks because they want free access to the taxpayers money
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very well said.
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Nice to save people, but NOT on our dime!
How much would WE have to pay?

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OK... iamwith

When the hospital does it for free we pay for it.. our costs go up...

NOTHING in this world is FREE...
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Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just let Illegal Aliens die because it might impact our bill slightly.

Jesus fucking Christ I've never been more disappointed in humanity then this moment. Everyone bitching about this really needs to look at themselves and think about how important life is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9266723


look pendeho, he has insurance, IN fkkin MEXICO, he simply doesnt want to go and get it.
This is not an emergency, it's a choice to continue living as a wet and making the nation pay for his entire family.
The cost of each individual wet is no more tolerable because they claim staying home is not optimal for them personally
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He doesn't LIVE in MEXICO he LIVES in the US! He has for twenty three years! He has a life HERE.

You want him to just move to Mexico and HOPE he can get a transplant? Lose his job and all his friends and family in the states?

He needed a transplant, and a very kind hospital provided one for him, saving his life. This should be a heartwarming story, not an angry one.
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he's a citizen of mehico, HERE, that's it. It's only about his dislike for having to swim across the rio grande again and that mehico doesnt pay as much for disability if he can sit and trim buds.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just let Illegal Aliens die because it might impact our bill slightly.

Jesus fucking Christ I've never been more disappointed in humanity then this moment. Everyone bitching about this really needs to look at themselves and think about how important life is.
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look pendeho, he has insurance, IN fkkin MEXICO, he simply doesnt want to go and get it.
This is not an emergency, it's a choice to continue living as a wet and making the nation pay for his entire family.
The cost of each individual wet is no more tolerable because they claim staying home is not optimal for them personally
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25390958


He doesn't LIVE in MEXICO he LIVES in the US! He has for twenty three years! He has a life HERE.

You want him to just move to Mexico and HOPE he can get a transplant? Lose his job and all his friends and family in the states?

He needed a transplant, and a very kind hospital provided one for him, saving his life. This should be a heartwarming story, not an angry one.
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he's a citizen of mehico, HERE, that's it. It's only about his dislike for having to swim across the rio grande again and that mehico doesnt pay as much for disability if he can sit and trim buds.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just let Illegal Aliens die because it might impact our bill slightly.

Jesus fucking Christ I've never been more disappointed in humanity then this moment. Everyone bitching about this really needs to look at themselves and think about how important life is.
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look pendeho, he has insurance, IN fkkin MEXICO, he simply doesnt want to go and get it.
This is not an emergency, it's a choice to continue living as a wet and making the nation pay for his entire family.
The cost of each individual wet is no more tolerable because they claim staying home is not optimal for them personally
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25390958


He doesn't LIVE in MEXICO he LIVES in the US! He has for twenty three years! He has a life HERE.

You want him to just move to Mexico and HOPE he can get a transplant? Lose his job and all his friends and family in the states?

He needed a transplant, and a very kind hospital provided one for him, saving his life. This should be a heartwarming story, not an angry one.
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he's a citizen of mehico, HERE, that's it. It's only about his dislike for having to swim across the rio grande again and that mehico doesnt pay as much for disability if he can sit and trim buds.
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He was one year old when he "Left" Mexico. He's never really LIVED there, he was just born there. Stop acting like he moved here for convince sake, he didn't.

Reading the article, it makes clear the hospital raised the money to get him treated, so it's not a loss. Also he got the kidney from his mom, so it wasn't 'taken' from anybody else.

Again, this story is just about how a man, who might have a job and not collect any government money (The article sure doesn't say that, and not all illegal immergrants do.) who's life was saved.
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curiously I havent found any stated problem or dithering with the old testaments enforcment of the chosens entitlement to borders and absolute separation of rights against the non chosen, so, by extention, all you 'judeochristians' should LOVE maintaining a border and prohibition against ALL foreigners demanding parity, and I for one cant recall any verses that gave gentiles any tribal rights, or dealing kindly with any that tried,
so,
for all the 'judeochristians'. since if it's in the old testament, it is concrete law, whats up with that?
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The man's name is not "illegal", his name is Jorge Mariscal and he is a human being, same as you OP.

May God show you more mercy then you and some others show to people that live across man made borders because truth is that this is all of God's earth, not ours.

It belongs to Him, not you. You are a guest here, and He can evict you at anytime.

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YOU pay for it then. Americans should not be forced to pay for others when OUR elderly and veterans need help first.


I work in healthcare in Az. I did some research into how they can access free everything. What I discovered points to an agenda.

There are 'board houses' all over the country sponsored by the US Office of Refugee Resettlement. The DHS demands the US exhaust ALL avenues of legal recourse to keep them here before deportation. Illegals receive free ER visits, OR time if needed, free dentistry, clothes, food, school, AND a fucking monthly stipend, all while US elderly and poor get sick and die.

Operation American Family Values Dilution


The border is WIDE FUCKING OPEN PEOPLE!!! I have seen 14 year old pregnant mexicans coming over the border. Do you think they are intending to hike hundreds of miles through desert?? They go straight to ICE. And then they stay here. And the US government demands we use US funds to finance their legal battle against deportation. WTF. Then they bring over their 50 family members.



You had better wake up people. This shit is not an accident.

Read on...


I spoke with a rep from the Office of Refugee Resettlement and asked about what is going on. He HIMSELF said there seemed to be too many people entering the country, under the US auspices or not.

First there are illegal mexicans and central americans. But he said there will be MANY MANY somalians and iraqis arriving NOW. The somalians are mostly going to Maine. The muslims are mostly going to east San Diego.



The NSA and CIA who are storing this message can eat shit.
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This is disgusting. This man's life was saved and all you guys can care about is if he pays taxes are not.

Besides which, he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9266723



OK... iamwith

When the hospital does it for free we pay for it.. our costs go up...

NOTHING in this world is FREE...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208


Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just let Illegal Aliens die because it might impact our bill slightly.

Jesus fucking Christ I've never been more disappointed in humanity then this moment. Everyone bitching about this really needs to look at themselves and think about how important life is.
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Since there is such a surplus of viable organs ready for transplant in the US of A right now, I can understand how we have so many to go around for illegal fucking aliens. Obviously none of our legal citizenry could have used this kidney. I don't suppose you stopped to consider for a second about the other person that probably died because your illegal received this particular kidney.

Why don't you empty out your checking account and your kitchen and give to them since you're such a self-righteous saint?
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look pendeho, he has insurance, IN fkkin MEXICO, he simply doesnt want to go and get it.
This is not an emergency, it's a choice to continue living as a wet and making the nation pay for his entire family.
The cost of each individual wet is no more tolerable because they claim staying home is not optimal for them personally
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25390958


He doesn't LIVE in MEXICO he LIVES in the US! He has for twenty three years! He has a life HERE.

You want him to just move to Mexico and HOPE he can get a transplant? Lose his job and all his friends and family in the states?

He needed a transplant, and a very kind hospital provided one for him, saving his life. This should be a heartwarming story, not an angry one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9266723


he's a citizen of mehico, HERE, that's it. It's only about his dislike for having to swim across the rio grande again and that mehico doesnt pay as much for disability if he can sit and trim buds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25390958


He was one year old when he "Left" Mexico. He's never really LIVED there, he was just born there. Stop acting like he moved here for convince sake, he didn't.

Reading the article, it makes clear the hospital raised the money to get him treated, so it's not a loss. Also he got the kidney from his mom, so it wasn't 'taken' from anybody else.

Again, this story is just about how a man, who might have a job and not collect any government money (The article sure doesn't say that, and not all illegal immergrants do.) who's life was saved.
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Oh, I dont want to read the last years story, I want to read the WHOLE story, starting when the first of his family swam across, what they did for all that time, and what they took for all that time.
This discussion is not about the last 5 minutes, or the next five minutes but from the start to the finish and the total costs involved and who had the freedom of choice of action and who did not.

Dance, puta gringo, dance!
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So now if I want to donate my organs, I have to tell them if I want it to go to an American first? LOL Here we go again.....
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... he was treated by a private hospital, so it's not like the government did this.
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Loyola is a university hospital. Do you know if they get any state or federal funding?
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Since when did we draw the line on "responsibility"?... now people not only DON'T have to be responsible for themselves and their health issues- now the rest of us have to take care of it. We have to draw a line SOMEWHERE, human or not, because eventually NO ONE left will be responsible, NO ONE will be left who can pay for these expenses. We are all becoming dependent.

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