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Black Boxes in cars 2014? Obama Administration just gave approval to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration requirement

 
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Black Boxes in cars 2014? Obama Administration just gave approval to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration requirement
Obama administration gave their consent to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to mandate black box event data recorders (EDR) be installed in all new cars in the US.

The NHTSA says that by September 2014 all car and light trucks will be equipped with EDRs that will silently “record the actions of drivers and the responses of their vehicles in a continuous information loop.”

The information recorded by EDRs includes:

• vehicle speed
• whether the brake was activated in the moments before a crash
• crash forces at the moment of impact
• information about the state of the engine throttle
• air bag deployment timing and air bag readiness prior to the crash
• whether the vehicle occupant’s seat belt was buckled


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You can already opt into programs like this for 6 months or so and get reduced insurance rates as a result (permitting, of course, you drive like a sane person).

If it cuts down on the number of asshole drivers around my neck of the woods, at any rate, I'll be for it.
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Is this a deal where you go 5 mph over the speed limit you get a speeding ticket in the mail?
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Is this a deal where you go 5 mph over the speed limit you get a speeding ticket in the mail?
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It should be. we all need to be programed to obey the law.
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You can already opt into programs like this for 6 months or so and get reduced insurance rates as a result (permitting, of course, you drive like a sane person).

If it cuts down on the number of asshole drivers around my neck of the woods, at any rate, I'll be for it.
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Getting us mentally aware/ready I guess.
I wouldn't want one of those things in my car, I wouldn't want anybody to know what I'm doing or where I am lol.
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so what ?

will drive my old yota another 300 k miles and by then I won't give a shit

or will drive until gas is only fo rich folkz
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Any car built after 1988 can be shut down via satalite. Better to go Antique now, unless those that pursue you are swift.
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Re: Black Boxes in cars 2014? Obama Administration just gave approval to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration requirement
Italy is one step ahead on this.... and what is worse... it is VOLUNTARY !!!

Big Brother in our car - the black box warning is privacy
In Italy there are a million. The Guarantor: too much data in the hands of insurance companies. The installation is voluntary and entitles you to discounts. The Authority: rules against abuse. Companies thanks to the gps know where we are going, how we run and how we drive

This is not all. The black box must be marked with a sticker, a special adhesive. And you must ensure "the ability to immediately stop the processing of location data", over the telephone or the Internet. In short, tracing must be disabled by the customer. To avoid that in the computer then the insurance will build databases, information received "you may retain, for tariff purposes, no later than seven days after their acquisition." Then they destroyed or made anonymous.



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In Italy there are a million. The Guarantor: too much data in the hands of insurance companies. The installation is voluntary and entitles you to discounts. The Authority: rules against abuse. Companies thanks to the gps know where we are going, how we run and how we drive
FABIO TONACCI
ROME - That mountain of data collected by a million black boxes, in the hands of insurance companies, is an injury to the privacy of motorists. "There are too many and too easily managed." So the Guarantor rewrote the draft regulation prepared by Isvap, the Institute of Supervision of Private Insurance, filling it with safeguards to protect users who voluntarily agree to install them on board for discounts on rates. Because those black boxes of things, they know a lot.

They know which roads we traveled, at what time and on what day, how many miles we have done, how many times have slowed or exceeded the limit. Record whatever happens to the vehicle, when we get behind the wheel when we go down. A great deal of information through the GPS antenna is sent in real time to the insurance to be processed (do not know how or by whom) and get in line to report use of the motorist. Or of those who know the password, you will enter in his place. Well, today is the Wild West. And the president of the Privacy Antonello Soro has big stakes like logs in the project "check box" Isvap provided in the decree on liberalization in January. "Companies will be able to process personal data of individuals identified only in case of an accident or at contractual maturity," reads Article 8 of the draft regulation. Only under these conditions will be possible for the company and to the user through applications on the Web, access information collected on car trips. Contrary to how it works now, with free access to both.

This is not all. The black box must be marked with a sticker, a special adhesive. And you must ensure "the ability to immediately stop the processing of location data", over the telephone or the Internet. In short, tracing must be disabled by the customer. To avoid that in the computer then the insurance will build databases, information received "you may retain, for tariff purposes, no later than seven days after their acquisition." Then they destroyed or made anonymous.

How many of these rules, according to the Guarantor necessary, resist the negotiations with Isvap? Difficult to predict. There is a privacy issue, it is visible to all. Today there are 1.2 million black boxes installed in the electronic brain of the 40 million vehicles on the road. Fruit of the quid pro quo between the insured and insurance. The first accepts monitoring in exchange for a premium discount Rc car that can go up to 20-30 per cent. The company on the other hand, identify subjects with guide potentially at risk, thanks to the data on braking, the average speed, lateral acceleration undergone by the vehicle during the march. So can custom tariff plans. And you contrast the fraud of false incidents, which in 2010 were almost seventy thousand, 2.3 per cent of all reported. The black box it becomes aware of a left when it detects a strong deceleration of the vehicle (or the airbag) and records the dynamic in the 40 seconds before and 10 after the impact. Unable to stage fake accidents to have real compensation.

And though the future of the black boxes for cars is far downhill. The regulation, if implemented well as rewrote the Authority for the protection of data, will be indigestible to insurance companies. Just think of the possibilities of traceability off at will. In addition, discounts on at the time, are less substantial than expected. Explains why the director of Ania, the association of insurance companies, Vittorio Verdone: "So far we have opted for a fair distribution of the costs of installation with the customer, and in the end it will still gained. Law but now puts them totally at the expense of companies and therefore the discounts are reduced. "


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Italy is one step ahead on this.... and what is worse... it is VOLUNTARY !!!

Big Brother in our car - the black box warning is privacy
In Italy there are a million. The Guarantor: too much data in the hands of insurance companies. The installation is voluntary and entitles you to discounts. The Authority: rules against abuse. Companies thanks to the gps know where we are going, how we run and how we drive

This is not all. The black box must be marked with a sticker, a special adhesive. And you must ensure "the ability to immediately stop the processing of location data", over the telephone or the Internet. In short, tracing must be disabled by the customer. To avoid that in the computer then the insurance will build databases, information received "you may retain, for tariff purposes, no later than seven days after their acquisition." Then they destroyed or made anonymous.



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In Italy there are a million. The Guarantor: too much data in the hands of insurance companies. The installation is voluntary and entitles you to discounts. The Authority: rules against abuse. Companies thanks to the gps know where we are going, how we run and how we drive
FABIO TONACCI
ROME - That mountain of data collected by a million black boxes, in the hands of insurance companies, is an injury to the privacy of motorists. "There are too many and too easily managed." So the Guarantor rewrote the draft regulation prepared by Isvap, the Institute of Supervision of Private Insurance, filling it with safeguards to protect users who voluntarily agree to install them on board for discounts on rates. Because those black boxes of things, they know a lot.

They know which roads we traveled, at what time and on what day, how many miles we have done, how many times have slowed or exceeded the limit. Record whatever happens to the vehicle, when we get behind the wheel when we go down. A great deal of information through the GPS antenna is sent in real time to the insurance to be processed (do not know how or by whom) and get in line to report use of the motorist. Or of those who know the password, you will enter in his place. Well, today is the Wild West. And the president of the Privacy Antonello Soro has big stakes like logs in the project "check box" Isvap provided in the decree on liberalization in January. "Companies will be able to process personal data of individuals identified only in case of an accident or at contractual maturity," reads Article 8 of the draft regulation. Only under these conditions will be possible for the company and to the user through applications on the Web, access information collected on car trips. Contrary to how it works now, with free access to both.

This is not all. The black box must be marked with a sticker, a special adhesive. And you must ensure "the ability to immediately stop the processing of location data", over the telephone or the Internet. In short, tracing must be disabled by the customer. To avoid that in the computer then the insurance will build databases, information received "you may retain, for tariff purposes, no later than seven days after their acquisition." Then they destroyed or made anonymous.

How many of these rules, according to the Guarantor necessary, resist the negotiations with Isvap? Difficult to predict. There is a privacy issue, it is visible to all. Today there are 1.2 million black boxes installed in the electronic brain of the 40 million vehicles on the road. Fruit of the quid pro quo between the insured and insurance. The first accepts monitoring in exchange for a premium discount Rc car that can go up to 20-30 per cent. The company on the other hand, identify subjects with guide potentially at risk, thanks to the data on braking, the average speed, lateral acceleration undergone by the vehicle during the march. So can custom tariff plans. And you contrast the fraud of false incidents, which in 2010 were almost seventy thousand, 2.3 per cent of all reported. The black box it becomes aware of a left when it detects a strong deceleration of the vehicle (or the airbag) and records the dynamic in the 40 seconds before and 10 after the impact. Unable to stage fake accidents to have real compensation.

And though the future of the black boxes for cars is far downhill. The regulation, if implemented well as rewrote the Authority for the protection of data, will be indigestible to insurance companies. Just think of the possibilities of traceability off at will. In addition, discounts on at the time, are less substantial than expected. Explains why the director of Ania, the association of insurance companies, Vittorio Verdone: "So far we have opted for a fair distribution of the costs of installation with the customer, and in the end it will still gained. Law but now puts them totally at the expense of companies and therefore the discounts are reduced. "


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It's a group effort to track us slaves more and more these days.
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may as well put black boxes in the home to limit home accidents too.
Mr gummint will take care of you REAL GOOD, no worries
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I see us more and more heading towards a world like this:

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Statism is powerful in this country.
As the noose is tightening the sheep are cheering
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Statism is powerful in this country.
As the noose is tightening the sheep are cheering
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Precursor to mileage based road taxes. Just another way for TPTB to get more money out of their human resources.

Don't like it? Shut up slaves.

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and in march 2013 the RFID for you all americans lolsign

*for health purpose* laugh

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You can already opt into programs like this for 6 months or so and get reduced insurance rates as a result (permitting, of course, you drive like a sane person).

If it cuts down on the number of asshole drivers around my neck of the woods, at any rate, I'll be for it.
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with this bunch of crooks....it ain't gonna work like u think...my guess there will be a federal tax on the mileage u drive and GPS location tracking and tracking ur speed to charge a ticket for speeding.....courtsey of the little black box..
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Precursor to mileage based road taxes. Just another way for TPTB to get more money out of their human resources.

Don't like it? Shut up slaves.
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Already exists in the UK, and I have heard a number of people say such per/mile highway taxes will be 'necessary' to pay down the US debt

the debt which the last two presidents purposely quadrupled x 10, just to create a mess which must be solved with extreme measures..

problem > reaction > solution
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Why is it so difficult to see that there is already a proportionate mileage tax in place? Every gallon of fuel purchased - there is a hefty (Federal and State) tax applied.

Drive more than "average" (an arbitrary number applied as to what you "should" drive) or a less fuel efficient vehicle? Then you purchase more fuel, ergo you pay more in tax.

I guarantee there will be none of this in any of our vehicles - and yes, I am more happy driving the old Rover.

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More and more "stuff"!

I miss the simple days when we had more freedoms.
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A lot of cars already have these in them.
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may as well put black boxes in the home to limit home accidents too.
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Called converter or cable or satellite boxes.
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A lot of cars already have these in them.
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Longer than folks think, too!
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Enjoy your police state, lefties.
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it's illegal to remove one of these black boxes?
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Any car built after 1988 can be shut down via satalite. Better to go Antique now, unless those that pursue you are swift.
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Is that true?
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I will not buy any car that has these boxes in them. Pay attention car dealers. If you want to sell me that car, you will have to remove it.
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Any car built after 1988 can be shut down via satalite. Better to go Antique now, unless those that pursue you are swift.
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Is that true?
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Electronically controlld fuel injection, ignition and transmission, of course an EMP can take any of those systems out and render a car useless. Only cars that would work would be like old Willis jeeps, or a...

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I can feel my privacy and freedoms eroding away .
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yup

verysad
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I hope everyone that voted for the big O gets their just rewards very soon.
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I hope everyone that voted for the big O gets their just rewards very soon.
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Is this a deal where you go 5 mph over the speed limit you get a speeding ticket in the mail?
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Well if its wasn't about money , they would put chips into speed limit signs. Once a car passed the sign the throttle would govern down to the proper speed.

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