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Court Rules Feds Can Vaccinate Kids WITHOUT Consent

 
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I'd go to pieces if someone stuck a needle in one of my children.

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Friday, December 7, 2012

Court Rules Feds Can Vaccinate Kids Without Consent Under Public Health Emergency

Heather Callaghan
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New Yorker Jennifer Parker was alarmed when she found out that a public health nurse vaccinated her 5-year-old daughter, Madison, against her wishes. This was during a flu outbreak in late 2009. Jennifer fought the action, citing negligence and battery and sued both the school district and health department in St. Lawrence County Supreme Court. The school district was let off the hook.

Matters seemed resolved as that court ruled in her favor saying that the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP) couldn't extend to just any situation where government workers could administer drugs without consent. But that ruling was short lived.

The health department appealed and it was the Third Judicial Appellate Court that overturned the previous ruling, deciding on November 21st this year, that PREP trumps, or rather, preempts state laws regarding that matter.

Did you know that we are apparently in an unending state of public health emergency?

The emergency in the situation above? H1N1 flu...

Madison Parker was given a Peramivir inoculation for H1N1 flu virus.

But this ruling was based on an assumed intention of Congress and the assumption of public health emergency:



we conclude that Congress intended to preempt all state law tort claims arising from the administration of covered countermeasures by a qualified person pursuant to a declaration by the Secretary [of Health and Human Services].
So because of this ruling, at least in New York, PREP's arbitrary mandates override state laws that allow exemption from seasonal flu vaccines. Health workers can vaccinate children without their parents' permission or knowledge because they deemed it a public health emergency and that it was Congressional intention.

According to Courthouse News, Justice Karen Peters wrote a statement for the five-judge panel:
We must presume that Congress fully understood that errors in administering a vaccination program may have physical as well as emotional consequences, and determined that such potential tort liability must give way to the need to promptly and efficiently respond to a pandemic or other public health emergency...
So, mistakes happen...but it's best for the public good.

The Justices were "unpersuaded" by Parker's argument that immunity under these circumstances didn't mean any deemed qualified person could administer drugs against her will.


And we wouldn't want to let a good government contract go to waste. Peters also wrote:
The immunity provisions of the PREP Act are triggered where, as here, the vaccines are purchased pursuant to a federal contract or agreement.
Peters said that because there are "exclusive federal remedies" (the Federal Government's just cause under PREP), that reason further supports preemption. Therefore, the decision concluded "the complaint must be dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction."

And what have we here? Another compensation program! That should make everything all better, right?

Courthouse News wrote:
PREP also created the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program, which handles claims by individuals who suffer adverse reactions to devices, medications or therapies that have been recommended for use in public health emergencies, the decision notes.
Peters further noted that separate federal causes of action exist for wrongful death or serious physical injury resulting from misconduct by licensed health professionals.
So, not only is PREP admitting and setting up funds for very possible injuries upon administering vaccinations, but they themselves are immunized from liability in civil liberties violations - administering drugs against a person's will. Great swerve guys - same MO every time.

Brian Shilhavy over at Health Impact News made some great points about the case:
1. Was the H1N1 flu virus any more dangerous than previous seasons’ flu strains? (See: H1N1 Swine Flu Even Milder than Seasonal Strains)
2. Did the H1N1 vaccine conclusively offer protection from the H1N1 flu virus? ( See: New Study Exposes the “60% Effective” Flu Shot as 98.5% Useless)
3. Does the flu vaccine present risks, especially for young children? (See: Confirmed! Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu Illness; & 4,250% Increase in Fetal Deaths Reported to VAERS After Flu Shot Given to Pregnant Women)
Points like these, civil liberties, and state exemptions for religious, philosophical, and medical reasons exist but are not often upheld. Especially when the Federal Government can arbitrarily declare "state of emergency" and trump state rulings. It also seems like for anyone in this type of situation it might be better to sue only individuals involved, not governmental departments - what do you think?
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They have no consent they break the law. They will be dealt with by Ø!
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I can see a lot of parents getting waco'd over this.
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this is THE END. Adio Amerika!
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
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As has been said before, "Land of the Free" is a Failed slogan.
We're looking more and more like Russia and China everyday.
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
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Do fuck off.
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We really have no rights anymore in USSA.
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Did you just wake up from a coma? These "vaccinations", even if they were guaranteed to work, should NEVER be forced on someone. Think before you speak sir or madame.
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Hey Moron, Flu vaccines are NOT life saving, they usually wind up giving you the Flu instead of protecting you from it.
Before you spout drivel from your mouth on subjects you know nothing about I suggest you do some research on the dangers of vaccines and the many contaminates found in them.
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Vaccinations are a good way to inject a dormant virus into a population that can be awakened if they rebel.
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


iamwith
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


I'd call you a tard but you are really just a troll.

Anyone with any sense, knows that vaccines are not only not safe (aside from the supposed main ingredients to introduce a bit of the disease to the body to attempt have the immune system detect and create a defense) but the binders and other ingredients are horrendous, mercury for one.

Additionally, it has been proven time and time again that the flu that is actually impacting people's health has mutated so much since the scientists guessed at what strains just might be of a big concern - that the flu vaccines themselves don't even have the correct strain to fight the mutated strain.

Finally, read up on the polio vaccine - do some serious reading and you find that polio has actually run it course and that the vaccine itself caused more polio than if the kids had never been vaccinated.
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Hey Moron, Flu vaccines are NOT life saving, they usually wind up giving you the Flu instead of protecting you from it.
Before you spout drivel from your mouth on subjects you know nothing about I suggest you do some research on the dangers of vaccines and the many contaminates found in them.
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You > baby
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Have you seen the number of autistic children? Have you read about how many children have died from vaccines?

You sir or madam, are an absolute asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have children?
It is your right to risk your child's life but don't judge those who choose not to.

Do some reading asshole, vaccines are loaded with mercury and all sorts of horrible chemicals.
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


I'd call you a tard but you are really just a troll.

Anyone with any sense, knows that vaccines are not only not safe (aside from the supposed main ingredients to introduce a bit of the disease to the body to attempt have the immune system detect and create a defense) but the binders and other ingredients are horrendous, mercury for one.

Additionally, it has been proven time and time again that the flu that is actually impacting people's health has mutated so much since the scientists guessed at what strains just might be of a big concern - that the flu vaccines themselves don't even have the correct strain to fight the mutated strain.

Finally, read up on the polio vaccine - do some serious reading and you find that polio has actually run it course and that the vaccine itself caused more polio than if the kids had never been vaccinated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10327591


That's odd. I've had every vaccine I'm able to get and yet I'm actually very healthy and rarely ill. I mean really rarely ill, maybe something like flu once every 4-5 years and even then it's not bad. So how did I escape the evil needle potions?
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Have you seen the number of autistic children? Have you read about how many children have died from vaccines?

You sir or madam, are an absolute asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have children?
It is your right to risk your child's life but don't judge those who choose not to.

Do some reading asshole, vaccines are loaded with mercury and all sorts of horrible chemicals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29294359


LOL

Wow you really illustrate the point of being a dumb dumb anti-vaccinationtard don't you?

Autism numbers have risen because the definition of what constitutes autism has been rapidly expanded. Kids who have minor discipline issues are now being classified as autistic. Now that's insane!
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Read the Medical & Scientific data that proves you wrong get educated. I won't bother holding my breath while waiting for you to realize, let alone admit just how wrong you are.
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


My kids are allergic to EGGS! the grow these vaccinations in EGGS!! So NOT SO LIFE-SAVINGS!!
How many vaccinations did we get as kids? and hell we all made it to adulthood!
They are not pushing the vaccines to protect us-they are trying to kill us!
The Doctors and I fight about it every year! They keep insisting on the Chickenpox vac. My kids CAN NOT have it-nor the Menigitist vac..They are allergic to the ingredients. It states very clearly, WHO should NOT get the vaccines and yet every year its the same ol same ol!! I told my youngest-she can tell them (now that she is a teenager) to F*** Off and shove the needle/nose drops up their asses! If she can get free birth control with out my consent-she can deny them giving her vaccination and floride treatments (or the nasty gram I received for that)! and if she wants to take OTC Meds in her purse and take them when needed- there is nothing they can do about it! They made the rules and so she can play the game to her advantage!
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From time to time, I tell my children that NO ONE has my permission to stick a needle in them without me present. And that particularly, if they are ever in school and ANYONE comes near them with a needle, to call me immediately and start screaming. I don't know what other advice to give. This is NOT how I wish to send my children out in the morning. And YET, I don't see that I have much choice. Worse, my children's pediatrician actually baited me into having my 10-year old son vaccinated with Gardasil during his annual physical. I damn-near shit.
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Do some reading asshole, vaccines are loaded with mercury and all sorts of horrible chemicals.
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kitty That's true.
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Give my child a shot and your getting a leas shot
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From time to time, I tell my children that NO ONE has my permission to stick a needle in them without me present. And that particularly, if they are ever in school and ANYONE comes near them with a needle, to call me immediately and start screaming. I don't know what other advice to give. This is NOT how I wish to send my children out in the morning. And YET, I don't see that I have much choice. Worse, my children's pediatrician actually baited me into having my 10-year old son vaccinated with Gardasil during his annual physical. I damn-near shit.
 Quoting: Veranidae


I'm sorry but are you not quite right in the head?

You appear to live in a fantasy world.

If I were that doctor, I'd call social services on you and have that poor kid of yours taken away for his own safety.
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As has been said before, "Land of the Free" is a Failed slogan.
We're looking more and more like Russia and China everyday.
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No we're not.
We're looking more like a morphing of
the Soviet Union with Communist China with Nazi Germany.

America has become an atheistic cesspool of
corruption, moral and political and financial.

We are left with the veneer of a once great nation.
Strip it away and you have Detroit City.
We are doomed and the everyone in the world knows
it, but us.
When the hammer falls (the dollar) and we hit rock
bottom, I just hope the people that caused our downfall
don't escape to Europe or China.
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From time to time, I tell my children that NO ONE has my permission to stick a needle in them without me present. And that particularly, if they are ever in school and ANYONE comes near them with a needle, to call me immediately and start screaming. I don't know what other advice to give. This is NOT how I wish to send my children out in the morning. And YET, I don't see that I have much choice. Worse, my children's pediatrician actually baited me into having my 10-year old son vaccinated with Gardasil during his annual physical. I damn-near shit.
 Quoting: Veranidae


My mom told me to do the same thing when I was younger. They held me down and stuck me with the needle anyways, then didn't allow me to call her.
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'Heil Hitler! Heil Hitler!'
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
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...more like saddle the kid with lifelong immune system problems and ill health.

Newbies. bartmoon
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And in case anyone places blind faith in their physicians, please allow me to remind you of one simple fact: A doctor has a license to PRACTICE medicine. They are not magicians, and they are not biomedical research scientists. Their opinions are influenced as much by the marketing within their professional communities as ours are in relation. The pharmaceutical companies are relentless when it comes to peddling their wares. And at the end of the day, they are businesses with shareholders to answer to. They spent copious amounts of money lobbying in Washington to influence the regulations that are SUPPOSED to be protecting us. So the moral of the story, as usual, ends up being "buyer beware."
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a shot is murder. no one agree's to murder. thats the courts opinion. if it was agreed upon then its assisted suicide
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From time to time, I tell my children that NO ONE has my permission to stick a needle in them without me present. And that particularly, if they are ever in school and ANYONE comes near them with a needle, to call me immediately and start screaming. I don't know what other advice to give. This is NOT how I wish to send my children out in the morning. And YET, I don't see that I have much choice. Worse, my children's pediatrician actually baited me into having my 10-year old son vaccinated with Gardasil during his annual physical. I damn-near shit.
 Quoting: Veranidae


My mom told me to do the same thing when I was younger. They held me down and stuck me with the needle anyways, then didn't allow me to call her.
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


This reminds me of the fluoride mouth rinse that schools used to administer. My mom told me not to take that stuff, so when I refused the teacher forced me to stay in during recess. When I told my mom that night she flipped out, called the teacher at home and made her cry.
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So the stupid bitch would rather have her child catch a lethal disease than have one small, life-saving injection?

Anti-vaccinatiotards are such.......tards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


...more like saddle the kid with lifelong immune system problems and ill health.

Newbies. bartmoon
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Right? Newbies, either come here to learn or back to the MSM with you. You'll be more comfortable there

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