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Are Holocaust deniers uneducated or just plain unpleasant?

 
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There is not a single piece of documentation attesting to the systematic genocide of Jews in the concentration camps. Nothing. For there to be no documentation for an operation of that scale beggars belief. And don't you think there were/are certain groups who would like nothing more than to find and bring forth such proof? Yet, nothing.

The photographs and video footage of the concentration camps we're shown over and over on the Hitler...er, History Channel, show the camps upon Allied liberation. This was after months of the most intense aerial bombardment in the history of warfare of Germany and German-occupied lands, resulting in the utter destruction and obliteration of German transportation (and other) infrastructure. Roads, rail lines, bridges...destroyed. This stopped the flow of supplies within Germany and German-controlled lands to the German people, to say nothing of the concentration camp detainees. Food, clean drinking water, medicine, blankets, coal for heating...ceased. The pictures we're shown over and over of the people in the concentration camps upon liberation were a result of Allied bombardment of roads and rail lines which supplied the camps.

Incidentally, zyklon-b was used to disinfect clothes and bedding at the camps to kill fleas, the vector for the biggest killer in the camps -- typhus. And when inmates would die of typhus, their diseased bodies would be cremated in an attempt to cease its spread.

But again, the victors write the history. Germany was a completely obliterated country, at the absolute mercy of the Allies; beyond unconditional surrender. Anything and everything was used by the Allies to justify this war of massive death and destruction for domestic consumption.

For instance, at the Nuremberg Trials (publicity show trials), Allied prosecutors would blackmail lower-ranking officers to testify against their superiors (often times blatantly lying) in exchange for lesser or no sentence for the lower-ranking officers. The Allies were only concerned with the world seeing the big, household-name Germans strung up or shot. Judges routinely disallowed witnesses for the defense to testify. For the best read on this, read: "The Nuremberg Trials: The Last Battle" by David Irving.

The Germans (and their crimes) were at the complete mercy of Allied historians.
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how do you think the Native Americans feel...
population before europeans arrived 65 million....
population after the Crusade/Holocaust 1 million...

now thats a holocaust that doesn't even get recognized...

apparently Hitler used the European slaughter of Native Americans as his model for taking over Europe....interesting
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Disease was the main culprit. I'm not saying native Americans didn't get shafted. But diseases for which they had no immunity did what no army could, with regard to sheer numbers of deaths. Sadly.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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how do you think the Native Americans feel...
population before europeans arrived 65 million....
population after the Crusade/Holocaust 1 million...

now thats a holocaust that doesn't even get recognized...

apparently Hitler used the European slaughter of Native Americans as his model for taking over Europe....interesting
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Disease was the main culprit. I'm not saying native Americans didn't get shafted. But diseases for which they had no immunity did what no army could, with regard to sheer numbers of deaths. Sadly.
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how do you think the disease was spread?

through blankets and clothing laced with germs and given to the Natives by the europeans...

early biological warfare mastered by the CHURCH
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The only real holocaust was the death of over 270 Million human beings on account of War in the 20th Century.

A measely 1.6 Million so called juews is like 00.5% of the people Holocausted in the 20th Century.


Who cries for the other 99.5% of those dead?

Put the so called 'holocaust' in its proper historic setting for a change.
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excellent point AC and i don't hear any of those other people whinning....
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I'd say nasty and stupid for the most part.

There are a small minority who are Palestinian sympathizers who have political aims. But they are still assholes, the rights of Palestinians are not dependent on denying the truth. It only makes them look like idiots.
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iamwith

You're on your own. But perhaps you derive a sense of companionship from your obsessions?

Truly idiotic, but a great host....
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On my own? Does that make the truth worth less to you?

Even if it was one of me and a million of you I would still be on the side of the truth. And that makes my stance more powerful than a million of you liars and deceivers.
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Kindly point out any instance of my having lied or attempted to deceive.
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To bring OP back.

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
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Oh Goody!
Another true believer.

Can you tell us why you believe the Holocaust happened?
Please, be specific, okay?
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The Holocaust is the biggest lie of the century, and it's also one of the best ideas!
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Are you truly in Saudi Arabia? What part?
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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I'm tempted to give this thread 5*s because it fosters discussion about the alleged "holocaust". But I can't, because I don't agree with the premise in the title. But still, it's a good thread for discussion.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Yes, uneducated in propaganda. And there has been far worse Holocausts of groups that do not whine about insistently for decades after the fact.
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There's no bidness
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Everything about it
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Everything the traffic
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Oh Goody!
Another true believer.

Can you tell us why you believe the Holocaust happened?
Please, be specific, okay?
 Quoting: A_Historian


Well well, is A Historian finally showing his true colours?

I can remember you claimed only to doubt / deny the gas chambers, but now you doubt / deny the whole holocaust?

So, we have all heard your reasons for denying the gas chambers. Could you now tell us why you do not believe the Holocaust in general happened?
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I don't think there are any Holocaust deniers in the sense that people normally think. People just refute the claims that 11 million Jews died because nobody can account for those numbers. It's really not that big of a deal.
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The only real holocaust was the death of over 270 Million human beings on account of War in the 20th Century.

A measely 1.6 Million so called juews is like 00.5% of the people Holocausted in the 20th Century.


Who cries for the other 99.5% of those dead?

Put the so called 'holocaust' in its proper historic setting for a change.
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THIS!!!
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Oh Goody!
Another true believer.

Can you tell us why you believe the Holocaust happened?
Please, be specific, okay?
 Quoting: A_Historian


Well well, is A Historian finally showing his true colours?

I can remember you claimed only to doubt / deny the gas chambers, but now you doubt / deny the whole holocaust?

So, we have all heard your reasons for denying the gas chambers. Could you now tell us why you do not believe the Holocaust in general happened?
 Quoting: Dutch 1568275


True colors?
Not at all.
It is you and your kind who label me a "denier".
However, I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.
First, when you speak of the "Holocaust in general" what specifically are you referring to?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Oh Goody!
Another true believer.

Can you tell us why you believe the Holocaust happened?
Please, be specific, okay?
 Quoting: A_Historian


Well well, is A Historian finally showing his true colours?

I can remember you claimed only to doubt / deny the gas chambers, but now you doubt / deny the whole holocaust?

So, we have all heard your reasons for denying the gas chambers. Could you now tell us why you do not believe the Holocaust in general happened?
 Quoting: Dutch 1568275


True colors?
Not at all.
It is you and your kind who label me a "denier".
However, I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.
First, when you speak of the "Holocaust in general" what specifically are you referring to?
 Quoting: A_Historian


I have asked you before to change your name to An Amateur Historian.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Oh Goody!
Another true believer.

Can you tell us why you believe the Holocaust happened?
Please, be specific, okay?
 Quoting: A_Historian


Well well, is A Historian finally showing his true colours?

I can remember you claimed only to doubt / deny the gas chambers, but now you doubt / deny the whole holocaust?

So, we have all heard your reasons for denying the gas chambers. Could you now tell us why you do not believe the Holocaust in general happened?
 Quoting: Dutch 1568275


True colors?
Not at all.
It is you and your kind who label me a "denier".
However, I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.
First, when you speak of the "Holocaust in general" what specifically are you referring to?
 Quoting: A_Historian


Nice try, but not falling for it. This topic is called "Are Holocaust deniers uneducated or just plain unpleasant?" Nothing mentioned about gas chambers etc, or specifications of the holocaust. Your contribution to this topic so far was:
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Oh Goody!
Another true believer.

Can you tell us why you believe the Holocaust happened?
Please, be specific, okay?
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The only conclusion any sensible person could make from the sarcasm in your words is that you do not believe in the holocaust.

So again, what don't YOU believe about the holocaust. Or, what was the holocaust according to you?

Please, be specific, okay?
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now you're just backpeddling.


jews aren't the only people who did in WW@
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~30 million under the hand of Japanese.
of which about 24,5 million ethnically Chinese.

Your turn.

"backpeddling"

LOL.

Intellectual midgets crack me up. Especially because you HONESTLy believe you are making a point and not ridiculing yourself.


hey you're the one who thinks only jews deserve sympathy.
personally, i'm sick and tired of the jew victim mentality.


No, those are words you a
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ng in my mouth to make yourself feel better about absolutely being ridiculed on the world wide internet for the retard you are. For ev
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o see.

You're a retard, simple as that. Enjoy being a retard for the rest of your life. Enjoy not being taken serious for the rest of your life for talking shit you don't know the facts to. Idiot.

peace


Jew mad bro?

ohyeah
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Oh Goody!
Another true believer.

Can you tell us why you believe the Holocaust happened?
Please, be specific, okay?
 Quoting: A_Historian


Well well, is A Historian finally showing his true colours?

I can remember you claimed only to doubt / deny the gas chambers, but now you doubt / deny the whole holocaust?

So, we have all heard your reasons for denying the gas chambers. Could you now tell us why you do not believe the Holocaust in general happened?
 Quoting: Dutch 1568275


True colors?
Not at all.
It is you and your kind who label me a "denier".
However, I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.
First, when you speak of the "Holocaust in general" what specifically are you referring to?
 Quoting: A_Historian


Nice try, but not falling for it. This topic is called "Are Holocaust deniers uneducated or just plain unpleasant?" Nothing mentioned about gas chambers etc, or specifications of the holocaust. Your contribution to this topic so far was:
----------------------------------------------------------
Oh Goody!
Another true believer.

Can you tell us why you believe the Holocaust happened?
Please, be specific, okay?
------------------------------------------------------------


The only conclusion any sensible person could make from the sarcasm in your words is that you do not believe in the holocaust.

So again, what don't YOU believe about the holocaust. Or, what was the holocaust according to you?

Please, be specific, okay?
 Quoting: Dutch 1568275

Oh, I absolutely do not accept the standard version of the Holocaust. I don't understand why anyone would.

I will clarify any aspect of the Holocaust for you if you wish, but you must be specific in what you wish to learn about.

We could discuss the gas chamber myths, or the lack of credibility in survivor statements, or the fraud that was Nuremberg.

We could discuss aerial photography over Auschwitz, what really happened to the Jews of Europe, who actually started the war, or any number of issues on the topic.

So you see, unless you are specific, we would be going around in circles.
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Disease was the main culprit. I'm not saying native Americans didn't get shafted. But diseases for which they had no immunity did what no army could, with regard to sheer numbers of deaths. Sadly.
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Hitler's masonic cult served the Vatican to cleanse all of europe. The Vatican's priests even put on military uniforms and ran concentration camps in Yugoslavia.

Freemasons are NAZIS!
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Oh, I absolutely do not accept the standard version of the Holocaust. I don't understand why anyone would.

I will clarify any aspect of the Holocaust for you if you wish, but you must be specific in what you wish to learn about.

We could discuss the gas chamber myths, or the lack of credibility in survivor statements, or the fraud that was Nuremberg.

We could discuss aerial photography over Auschwitz, what really happened to the Jews of Europe, who actually started the war, or any number of issues on the topic.

So you see, unless you are specific, we would be going around in circles.
 Quoting: A_Historian



Your BS has been debunked on here many times over. You keep trying to make ww2 abour Jews and RACE when it was the Vatican and RELIGION as the Holocaust was far greater Jewish losses all across Russia and Europe, but also for the Protestants of the former Prussia and Orthodox of the former Yugoslavia.

The first act of ww2 was against the Protestants of Prussia in the 1932 coup, then into Prussian Poland as Germany and allied Russia divided the country and killed aprox 3 million Jews and 3 million Protestant Christians. Today Poland is totally Roman Catholic.
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Oh, I absolutely do not accept the standard version of the Holocaust. I don't understand why anyone would.

I will clarify any aspect of the Holocaust for you if you wish, but you must be specific in what you wish to learn about.

We could discuss the gas chamber myths, or the lack of credibility in survivor statements, or the fraud that was Nuremberg.

We could discuss aerial photography over Auschwitz, what really happened to the Jews of Europe, who actually started the war, or any number of issues on the topic.

So you see, unless you are specific, we would be going around in circles.
 Quoting: A_Historian



Your BS has been debunked on here many times over. You keep trying to make ww2 abour Jews and RACE when it was the Vatican and RELIGION as the Holocaust was far greater Jewish losses all across Russia and Europe, but also for the Protestants of the former Prussia and Orthodox of the former Yugoslavia.

The first act of ww2 was against the Protestants of Prussia in the 1932 coup, then into Prussian Poland as Germany and allied Russia divided the country and killed aprox 3 million Jews and 3 million Protestant Christians. Today Poland is totally Roman Catholic.
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Nothing I have said here has been debunked.
If you believe it has then show the Board what you are talking about.

But let's look at your claims first.

The first act of the war was in 1932?

Was Hitler involved in this or was it a Weimar government action?

Since he only became a German citizen that year and held no public office, what role did he play?

He wasn't appointed Chancellor until Jan. 1933.

Germany and Russia divided Poland in 1932 as well?
Where did you get the death statistics from?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
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Umm, pleasantly enlightened? Yes.coffee4
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I take it we are done discussing this then?
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"netherlands" has been owned here...back to the adl handbook on surpressing truth on the internet huh? "when defeated on point, try ad hominem attacks" lol!
why dont you listen to REAL jews talk about the halohoax - gilad atzmon norman finkelstein nathaniel kapner and the great earnest zundel who proved CONCLUSIVLY no gas no ovens (exept to cremate the already dead. yadda yadda yadda stop the propaganda and answer on point.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17601732


Maybe?? As I think Ms. Gizella Weisshaus, (biggest Holocaust Survivor on East Coast) seems very decent as far as educated, I'm not sure???

As I speak to her occasionally, and she seems very sincere..

But she does say Judge Edward Korman (of Eastern District Court, Brooklyn, NY) is a crook and a phony, and I can attest to that with my 10-31-1989 illegal, fraudulent, fraud case, which he permitted..

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I take it we are done discussing this then?
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Not in the least. But let's not get started again on aerial photographs of Auschwitz. Your claim in the thread you started about Roosevelt's mistake that there are litterally tens of thousands of aerial pictures of Auschwitz was quite funny.

What I am really curious about is what, according to you, really did happen to all those Jewish people then.

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