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Are Holocaust deniers uneducated or just plain unpleasant?

 
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
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Actually people who question the "facts" presented about the "Holocaust" are open-minded and search for truth rather than accept spoon-fed pablum from professional victims. Just use of the term "deniers" shows the desperation to disparage anyone who questions the tale.
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^^^ THIS ^^^^

Governments LIE. Who runs the governments? The same group that CONTROLS EVERYTHING.

They LIE! The Holohaux was a DAMNED LIE!!
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I enjoyed the repartee
Have a nice trip..

Now to the rest of the board, what are your thoughts?
Did Dutch convince you his views were correct?
Did I?
Did neither of us?
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First we have to go back to the beginning of the end for western civilization -- World War I. It's necessary to give a brief overview. Stay with me. I promise you'll be rewarded in the end.

In early 20th century Germany, jewish people were treated, for the most part, the same as any ethnic German. Many were very prosperous and made very good livings. In World War I, German jewish people fought and died for Germany. There are cemeteries in Germany attesting to this fact.

The year that changed everything was 1917. Three very important things happened in 1917 -- 1) The U.S. entered WWI on the Allied side; and 2) The Balfour Declaration was written; 3) Russia dropped out of the war. It had been allied with Britain and France. And all 3 events are connected by a single thread -- Zionism. Allow me to explain...

In the late 1800s, an Austrian jewish, Theodor Herzl, is credited with having founded Zionism. Between the 1880s and 1910s, Zionism and its adherents gained influence and stature within the European Jewish community, particularly in Germany, where most of the wealthy jewish people lived.

World War I lasted from 1914-18. After rapid German advances in the west into the Low Countries and northern France, there was a stalemate. The year was 1917. Neither side was gaining much ground. There was trench warfare. Nothing was being accomplished by either side. The resources and manpower were dwindling. Germany, as a matter of fact, proposed a peace with Britain and France, that would stop the war and give everyone back what they had at the beginning. Britain and France refused. Britain wanted Germany destroyed. Germany was a rising power, and threatened Britain economically not only on the Continent, but with its colonies in Africa and the south Pacific. Britain was feeling the threat to its dominance building since Germany unified after the 1870-71 Franco-Prussian War.

Remember that Germany was allied with the Ottoman Turkish Empire in WWI. It was Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Turks against Britain, France, and (until 1917) Russia. Russia dropped out of WWI to fight its internal civil war -- the Russian (Communist) Revolution, which was agitated for mostly by Russian jewish people. For decades, jewish people in Russia sought the overthrow of the Russian monarchy (a point I will come back to later in a larger context for all of Europe).

Organized radical Jewry in Europe (let's call them Zionists for lack of a better term) observed several events happening that presented them with the ultimate Machiavellian (traitorous/treasonous) opportunity: 1) Russia dropped out of WWI. Organized radical jewry in Russia was spearheading the overthrow of the Christian monarchy of the tsars. Thus, (2), Britain and France faced a desperate situation, as now the full force of the German military was able to withdraw from their eastern (Russian) front, and turn west to channel their energies against Britain and France. 3) Zionism and its aherents, most of whom resided in Germany at the time, coveted the "Holy Land" -- Palestine. The Turks controlled Palestine. The Turks were allied with the Germans. Thus, it behooved organized, radical Jewry (Zionists) to battle AGAINST these "Central Powers" (Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey), as they were called, and ally themselves with the "Allies" -- Britain and France. Thus, in 1917, after two and half years of loyally supporting their nation, Germany, in its battle against Britain and France (and Russia), the German zionists, secretly of course, stabbed their nation and their countrymen in the back and decided to bring their considerable influence to bear in helping Britain and France to defeat Germany (and most importantly Turkey), thus "freeing" Palestine from the centuries-old grip of the Ottoman Turks.

Zionists in Germany devised a scheme. They went to the British government and offered them a deal: IF WE, GERMAN ZIONISTS, GET OUR ZIONIST "FRIENDS" IN AMERICA TO INFLUENCE THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO ENTER WWI ON YOUR (BRITAIN'S AND FRANCE'S) SIDE, THEN AFTER YOU ARE VICTORIOUS (and victory would be assured upon American entrance into the war because of the fresh manpower, supplies, etc.), YOU MUST PROMISE TO ALLOW EUROPEAN jewish people TO EMIGRATE TO PALESTINE (which will have been freed from Turkish rule after Allied victory).

Britain agreed. So in 1917, we have both the United States entering World War I, and the writing of the Balfour Declaration, which was a letter written by British foreign secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild. A couple of questions everyone should ask themselves about these two events: Why would the Balfour Declaration be written to Lord Rothschild? And why would the U.S. enter WWI? World War I was the most quintessential of EUROPEAN wars. It had nothing to do with the United States. America was dragged in, its sons' blood shed, and its resources used to fight for a jewish homeland in Palestine. That's the gist of it. And to top it off, this true reason for America's entrance into World War I was not given to the American people. Obviously if it was, no American would support our going to war. Instead, in our history books, our American entrance into WWI was couched in excuses like: the sinking of the Lusitania, and the Zimmermann Letter. Regarding the Lusitania, 1) it was sunk in 1915, two years prior. Why would we wait 2 years to retaliate? 2) Germany warned the United States many times (even posting ads in 50 American newspapers) that ships carrying contraband would be sunk. The Lusitania was, indeed, carrying munitions. Thus, it was sunk. As usual, American politicians had their own agenda (influenced by those who do not have the best interests of America or Americans at heart), and they needed a casus belli ("reason for war") to sell to the American people (USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11, etc.).

A quick interjection here. The modus operandi of organized radical jewry has always been to gain as much control of 2 of their "host" country's most important industries: 1) mass communication, and organized labor. In Russia, in Germany, in America. It matters not the country. In each, organized radical jewry dominates, controls, practically owns these 2 industries. The reason for this is to: 1) control all avenues of information dissemination -- television, movies, radio, print, media, publishing houses. And 2) to be able to initiate strikes and paralyze the economy, bringing the nation's production to a halt. They utilized both their "ace cards" in Germany in 1917 and after. They started a media campaign questioning Germany's involvement in WWI. Morale was weakened on the front. And regarding work production, strikes were organized at munitions and supply factories, so resources to the front dwindled. Germany was brought to its knees; not by Britain or France, but from within...by organized radical jewry, who stabbed Germany in the back in an effort to secure for themselves the much-coveted Zionist dream of a "homeland" for European jewish people. There's even a German name for this stab in the back during WWI -- Dolchstosslegende. This stab-in-the-back is further bolstered by the fact that not a single enemy soldier ever set foot on German soil during WWI. Yet Germany surrended. How can this be? It's amazing the things we're not told in our western history. It's certainly true that the victors write the history. There's not a better example of it than World War I.

I forgot to talk briefly about why the Zimmermann Letter was NOT a legitimate reason for America to enter WWI. The Zimmermann Letter was a telegram (what we'd call a "cable" today) written by German Foreign Secretary Arthur Zimmermann to the German ambassador to Mexico, Heinrich von Eckardt, which stated that IF the U.S. entered the war on the Britain and France's side, Eckardt was to propose a military alliance between Germany and Mexico. Mexico rejected the proposal. These types of behind-the-scenes jockeying for position cables are common diplomatic interactions between nations. It just so happens this one was intercepted by the British (hmmm....) and made public (HMMMM....). Whomever decided to publicize it to the American people did so knowing the propagandistic firestorm that would ensue. (Sort of like airing all those "Bin Laden" tapes on the evening news). In short, the Zimmermann Letter was not a legitimate reason for a nation to commit hundreds of thousands of troops, resources, money, and blood for 2 years to a European war.

Hitler served his country on the front in World War I. He was injured and required hospitalization. While recovering from his injuries in hospital (as the Brits say), he, and the rest of Germany, read the stunning news in their newspapers that Germany had unconditionally surrendered in the Great War. Things had been going generally well. Even if Germany was no longer making advances deeper into France toward Paris, at least Germany herself wasn't being invaded. Again, not a single enemy soldier set foot on German soil during World War I. How could Germany offer up an unconditional surrender? This was baffling to many Germans, including Hitler.

The truth will out, as the saying goes. Answers came to those who sought them. It was readily apparent that not only was Germany betrayed from within by Zionists, but Germany was sold out at the Treaty of Versailles. Total responsibility for World War I was heaped upon Germany, when Germany was no more responsible for the war than any of the other participants. Germany was made to pay war reparations (which they just finished paying last year, 2011); Germany was stripped of much of its territory; the German military was severely reduced; and parts of Germany's most productive industrial areas were given over to foreign control. By any reasonable person's standard, these terms were unfair; bordering on destructive.

Many things can be said, and have been said, about Hitler. Stupidity isn't one of them (or shouldn't be). Hitler sought to make Germany self-sufficient. He first sought to get rid of the central banks, which were owned primarily by German jewish people. He saw the destructive force they wielded during the Weimar Republic, bringing Germany to its knees financially. Within, 5 years, Hitler had transformed Germany into a productive, industrial powerhouse once again. So incredible was the transformation, it's called the "German Miracle". Debt-based currency was done away with. Currency was now produced and issued by the Reich; not private, primarily Jewish, bankers. This is why organized radical Jewry in Germany urged worldwide Jewry to boycott all German products. When they did, it hurt the German economy. Tensions mounted. Germans responded by boycotting jewish stores.

The German economy, despite the boycott engineered against it by organized radical (Zionist) jewry, persevered.

Let's take a look at the onset of WWII now. Despite the innuendo we're exposed to in our "western media", prior to WWII, Hitler only looked EAST. Stalin's USSR was always Hitler's main concern. As a matter of fact, Hitler and many Germans considered Germany to be Europe's bulwark against the powerful, ruthless, Bolshevik, Communist USSR to the east. Also, Hitler retook lands that were stripped from Germany after WWII (again, all to the east) -- anschluss with Austria, taking the German part of the Sudetenland, and retaking Prussia (western Poland). It's interesting that not once did Hitler show aggression toward the west of Germany. Only after Britain and France declared war on Germany did Hitler then turn west. Britain and France declared war on Germany after Germany invaded western Poland, in their successful attempt to retake Prussia which had been part of Germany before WWI. What we're not told much about is that at the same time (Sept. 1939), the USSR invaded Poland from the east. The USSR and Germany agreed to divide Poland. Why was Stalin's USSR not declared war upon, but Germany was? Interesting. The USSR was responsible for some of the worst massacres of WWII during their 1939 invasion of Poland; the Katyn Massacre, for one. Incidentally, western propaganda declared that Germany was responsible for the Katyn Massacre. Recently, evidence (which the leaders had always known) came to light in the public arena, proving that it was not Germany, but the Soviet army that was responsible for the massacre for 10,000 Polish military officers in the Katyn forest.

After experiencing firsthand the treachery and sabotage of organized radical (Zionist) Jewry in Germany during the first World War, Hitler was determined not to let such treachery occur again. Thus, in 1939 when the second world war started, Hitler put jewish people in German-controlled lands into concentration camps. NOT "death camps". Sure, people died there; as they died in the population at large in any country. But the concentration camps were not set up to exterminate jewish people. They were set up to remove a perceived internal threat to Germany. JUST LIKE AMERICA DID WITH JAPANESE-AMERICANS. We removed what we perceived could be a potential internal threat to our security during WWII. We put took Japanese Americans from their homes, away from their businesses, and forced them into concentration camps located throughout the United States. It could be argued that what America did had less validity, since America hadn't experienced a betrayal by Japanese Americans before. Germany, on the other hand, HAD experienced an internal betrayal by its jewish people -- 1917. THIS is the dirty little secret of WWII that western "mass media" (owned by whom?) holds very close to the vest. Qui bono? Who benefits? 1948: creation of the state of Israel.

"Arbeit macht frei" = "Works makes you free". The biggest cause of death in the concentration camps was typhus, which was spread by fleas. The Nazis attempted to combat typhus by using zyklon b to disinfect clothes, bedding, etc. at the concentration camps. And when people died of typhus, their corpses were burned in ovens in order to dispose of the diseased individual.

Allow me to give an example of the propaganda of the concentration camps used by "western mass media" since WWII. The records of most of the concentration camps were held by the USSR in secret. Thus, Zionist propagandists in the West could make up any numbers they wanted. Who would question it? The records couldn't be gotten to. With the fall of the USSR in 1991, the International Red Cross took control of the records from the concentration camps in the eastern bloc -- mostly in Poland. Between 1945 and 1991, organized radical jewry claimed that 4 million jewish people were murdered at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. The records to prove this claim were held by the highly secretive Soviet Union. When the Int'l Red Cross got a hold of the records in 1991, it was discovered that: 1) about 400,000 people died at Auschwitz. Notice 3 things here: 1) the amount of deaths were incredibly less; 2) those who died were NOT JUST jewish people, but people from all backgrounds, and 3) they DIED; they weren't murdered. Organized radical jewry went ballistic. They need the high numbers to exacerbate their self-annointed victimhood status. They refused to acknowledge the lower numbers. The Intl Red Cross argued that the facts are the facts. The outcome? A compromise! This is a perfect example of how history as we're told is NOT necessarily (rarely) truth. Even though the proof is there regarding how many people died at Auschwitz-Birkenau, because of the great influence of organized radical (Zionist) jewry, they had to compromise. The new plaque at Auschwitz-Birkenau has the "compromise" number of 1.2 millions death of jewish people...and others. So organized radical jewry won a victory in that the word MILLION remained, as did the word jewish people. Think of that. The number was reduced (even with the compromise) from 4 million to 1.2 million. That's a difference of 2.8 million deaths. Yet, the number "6 million" remains the total. And we're still told 6 million jewish people were executed. It's absolute bunk. Absolute lies.

There was a clear winner and a clear loser of the 20th century. Germany lost (read: got screwed), while jewish people won. jewish people got their state of Israel (Zionism's dream)...at the expense of the Palestinians who lived there, I might add. And regarding most of the other jewish people, who reside in America....no single group in the history of human civilization has been as prosperous as jewish Americans in the last part of the 20th century and early 21st century.

A holocaust museum in most major U.S. cities. A movie about the Holocaust EVERY YEAR in America. Hollywood (movies, tv), radio, news media, publishing houses (avenues of information dissemination) completed and utterly controlled and dominated by jewish people. Not to mention Wall Street, the Federal Reserve (which is neither federal, nor a reserve), and American foreign policy.
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First we have to go back to the beginning of the end for western civilization -- World War I. It's necessary to give a brief overview. Stay with me. I promise you'll be rewarded in the end.

In early 20th century Germany, jewish people were treated, for the most part, the same as any ethnic German. Many were very prosperous and made very good livings. In World War I, German jewish people fought and died for Germany. There are cemeteries in Germany attesting to this fact.

The year that changed everything was 1917. Three very important things happened in 1917 -- 1) The U.S. entered WWI on the Allied side; and 2) The Balfour Declaration was written; 3) Russia dropped out of the war. It had been allied with Britain and France. And all 3 events are connected by a single thread -- Zionism. Allow me to explain...

In the late 1800s, an Austrian jewish, Theodor Herzl, is credited with having founded Zionism. Between the 1880s and 1910s, Zionism and its adherents gained influence and stature within the European Jewish community, particularly in Germany, where most of the wealthy jewish people lived.

World War I lasted from 1914-18. After rapid German advances in the west into the Low Countries and northern France, there was a stalemate. The year was 1917. Neither side was gaining much ground. There was trench warfare. Nothing was being accomplished by either side. The resources and manpower were dwindling. Germany, as a matter of fact, proposed a peace with Britain and France, that would stop the war and give everyone back what they had at the beginning. Britain and France refused. Britain wanted Germany destroyed. Germany was a rising power, and threatened Britain economically not only on the Continent, but with its colonies in Africa and the south Pacific. Britain was feeling the threat to its dominance building since Germany unified after the 1870-71 Franco-Prussian War.

Remember that Germany was allied with the Ottoman Turkish Empire in WWI. It was Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Turks against Britain, France, and (until 1917) Russia. Russia dropped out of WWI to fight its internal civil war -- the Russian (Communist) Revolution, which was agitated for mostly by Russian jewish people. For decades, jewish people in Russia sought the overthrow of the Russian monarchy (a point I will come back to later in a larger context for all of Europe).

Organized radical Jewry in Europe (let's call them Zionists for lack of a better term) observed several events happening that presented them with the ultimate Machiavellian (traitorous/treasonous) opportunity: 1) Russia dropped out of WWI. Organized radical jewry in Russia was spearheading the overthrow of the Christian monarchy of the tsars. Thus, (2), Britain and France faced a desperate situation, as now the full force of the German military was able to withdraw from their eastern (Russian) front, and turn west to channel their energies against Britain and France. 3) Zionism and its aherents, most of whom resided in Germany at the time, coveted the "Holy Land" -- Palestine. The Turks controlled Palestine. The Turks were allied with the Germans. Thus, it behooved organized, radical Jewry (Zionists) to battle AGAINST these "Central Powers" (Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey), as they were called, and ally themselves with the "Allies" -- Britain and France. Thus, in 1917, after two and half years of loyally supporting their nation, Germany, in its battle against Britain and France (and Russia), the German zionists, secretly of course, stabbed their nation and their countrymen in the back and decided to bring their considerable influence to bear in helping Britain and France to defeat Germany (and most importantly Turkey), thus "freeing" Palestine from the centuries-old grip of the Ottoman Turks.

Zionists in Germany devised a scheme. They went to the British government and offered them a deal: IF WE, GERMAN ZIONISTS, GET OUR ZIONIST "FRIENDS" IN AMERICA TO INFLUENCE THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO ENTER WWI ON YOUR (BRITAIN'S AND FRANCE'S) SIDE, THEN AFTER YOU ARE VICTORIOUS (and victory would be assured upon American entrance into the war because of the fresh manpower, supplies, etc.), YOU MUST PROMISE TO ALLOW EUROPEAN jewish people TO EMIGRATE TO PALESTINE (which will have been freed from Turkish rule after Allied victory).

Britain agreed. So in 1917, we have both the United States entering World War I, and the writing of the Balfour Declaration, which was a letter written by British foreign secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild. A couple of questions everyone should ask themselves about these two events: Why would the Balfour Declaration be written to Lord Rothschild? And why would the U.S. enter WWI? World War I was the most quintessential of EUROPEAN wars. It had nothing to do with the United States. America was dragged in, its sons' blood shed, and its resources used to fight for a jewish homeland in Palestine. That's the gist of it. And to top it off, this true reason for America's entrance into World War I was not given to the American people. Obviously if it was, no American would support our going to war. Instead, in our history books, our American entrance into WWI was couched in excuses like: the sinking of the Lusitania, and the Zimmermann Letter. Regarding the Lusitania, 1) it was sunk in 1915, two years prior. Why would we wait 2 years to retaliate? 2) Germany warned the United States many times (even posting ads in 50 American newspapers) that ships carrying contraband would be sunk. The Lusitania was, indeed, carrying munitions. Thus, it was sunk. As usual, American politicians had their own agenda (influenced by those who do not have the best interests of America or Americans at heart), and they needed a casus belli ("reason for war") to sell to the American people (USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11, etc.).

A quick interjection here. The modus operandi of organized radical jewry has always been to gain as much control of 2 of their "host" country's most important industries: 1) mass communication, and organized labor. In Russia, in Germany, in America. It matters not the country. In each, organized radical jewry dominates, controls, practically owns these 2 industries. The reason for this is to: 1) control all avenues of information dissemination -- television, movies, radio, print, media, publishing houses. And 2) to be able to initiate strikes and paralyze the economy, bringing the nation's production to a halt. They utilized both their "ace cards" in Germany in 1917 and after. They started a media campaign questioning Germany's involvement in WWI. Morale was weakened on the front. And regarding work production, strikes were organized at munitions and supply factories, so resources to the front dwindled. Germany was brought to its knees; not by Britain or France, but from within...by organized radical jewry, who stabbed Germany in the back in an effort to secure for themselves the much-coveted Zionist dream of a "homeland" for European jewish people. There's even a German name for this stab in the back during WWI -- Dolchstosslegende. This stab-in-the-back is further bolstered by the fact that not a single enemy soldier ever set foot on German soil during WWI. Yet Germany surrended. How can this be? It's amazing the things we're not told in our western history. It's certainly true that the victors write the history. There's not a better example of it than World War I.

I forgot to talk briefly about why the Zimmermann Letter was NOT a legitimate reason for America to enter WWI. The Zimmermann Letter was a telegram (what we'd call a "cable" today) written by German Foreign Secretary Arthur Zimmermann to the German ambassador to Mexico, Heinrich von Eckardt, which stated that IF the U.S. entered the war on the Britain and France's side, Eckardt was to propose a military alliance between Germany and Mexico. Mexico rejected the proposal. These types of behind-the-scenes jockeying for position cables are common diplomatic interactions between nations. It just so happens this one was intercepted by the British (hmmm....) and made public (HMMMM....). Whomever decided to publicize it to the American people did so knowing the propagandistic firestorm that would ensue. (Sort of like airing all those "Bin Laden" tapes on the evening news). In short, the Zimmermann Letter was not a legitimate reason for a nation to commit hundreds of thousands of troops, resources, money, and blood for 2 years to a European war.

Hitler served his country on the front in World War I. He was injured and required hospitalization. While recovering from his injuries in hospital (as the Brits say), he, and the rest of Germany, read the stunning news in their newspapers that Germany had unconditionally surrendered in the Great War. Things had been going generally well. Even if Germany was no longer making advances deeper into France toward Paris, at least Germany herself wasn't being invaded. Again, not a single enemy soldier set foot on German soil during World War I. How could Germany offer up an unconditional surrender? This was baffling to many Germans, including Hitler.

The truth will out, as the saying goes. Answers came to those who sought them. It was readily apparent that not only was Germany betrayed from within by Zionists, but Germany was sold out at the Treaty of Versailles. Total responsibility for World War I was heaped upon Germany, when Germany was no more responsible for the war than any of the other participants. Germany was made to pay war reparations (which they just finished paying last year, 2011); Germany was stripped of much of its territory; the German military was severely reduced; and parts of Germany's most productive industrial areas were given over to foreign control. By any reasonable person's standard, these terms were unfair; bordering on destructive.

Many things can be said, and have been said, about Hitler. Stupidity isn't one of them (or shouldn't be). Hitler sought to make Germany self-sufficient. He first sought to get rid of the central banks, which were owned primarily by German jewish people. He saw the destructive force they wielded during the Weimar Republic, bringing Germany to its knees financially. Within, 5 years, Hitler had transformed Germany into a productive, industrial powerhouse once again. So incredible was the transformation, it's called the "German Miracle". Debt-based currency was done away with. Currency was now produced and issued by the Reich; not private, primarily Jewish, bankers. This is why organized radical Jewry in Germany urged worldwide Jewry to boycott all German products. When they did, it hurt the German economy. Tensions mounted. Germans responded by boycotting jewish stores.

The German economy, despite the boycott engineered against it by organized radical (Zionist) jewry, persevered.

Let's take a look at the onset of WWII now. Despite the innuendo we're exposed to in our "western media", prior to WWII, Hitler only looked EAST. Stalin's USSR was always Hitler's main concern. As a matter of fact, Hitler and many Germans considered Germany to be Europe's bulwark against the powerful, ruthless, Bolshevik, Communist USSR to the east. Also, Hitler retook lands that were stripped from Germany after WWII (again, all to the east) -- anschluss with Austria, taking the German part of the Sudetenland, and retaking Prussia (western Poland). It's interesting that not once did Hitler show aggression toward the west of Germany. Only after Britain and France declared war on Germany did Hitler then turn west. Britain and France declared war on Germany after Germany invaded western Poland, in their successful attempt to retake Prussia which had been part of Germany before WWI. What we're not told much about is that at the same time (Sept. 1939), the USSR invaded Poland from the east. The USSR and Germany agreed to divide Poland. Why was Stalin's USSR not declared war upon, but Germany was? Interesting. The USSR was responsible for some of the worst massacres of WWII during their 1939 invasion of Poland; the Katyn Massacre, for one. Incidentally, western propaganda declared that Germany was responsible for the Katyn Massacre. Recently, evidence (which the leaders had always known) came to light in the public arena, proving that it was not Germany, but the Soviet army that was responsible for the massacre for 10,000 Polish military officers in the Katyn forest.

After experiencing firsthand the treachery and sabotage of organized radical (Zionist) Jewry in Germany during the first World War, Hitler was determined not to let such treachery occur again. Thus, in 1939 when the second world war started, Hitler put jewish people in German-controlled lands into concentration camps. NOT "death camps". Sure, people died there; as they died in the population at large in any country. But the concentration camps were not set up to exterminate jewish people. They were set up to remove a perceived internal threat to Germany. JUST LIKE AMERICA DID WITH JAPANESE-AMERICANS. We removed what we perceived could be a potential internal threat to our security during WWII. We put took Japanese Americans from their homes, away from their businesses, and forced them into concentration camps located throughout the United States. It could be argued that what America did had less validity, since America hadn't experienced a betrayal by Japanese Americans before. Germany, on the other hand, HAD experienced an internal betrayal by its jewish people -- 1917. THIS is the dirty little secret of WWII that western "mass media" (owned by whom?) holds very close to the vest. Qui bono? Who benefits? 1948: creation of the state of Israel.

"Arbeit macht frei" = "Works makes you free". The biggest cause of death in the concentration camps was typhus, which was spread by fleas. The Nazis attempted to combat typhus by using zyklon b to disinfect clothes, bedding, etc. at the concentration camps. And when people died of typhus, their corpses were burned in ovens in order to dispose of the diseased individual.

Allow me to give an example of the propaganda of the concentration camps used by "western mass media" since WWII. The records of most of the concentration camps were held by the USSR in secret. Thus, Zionist propagandists in the West could make up any numbers they wanted. Who would question it? The records couldn't be gotten to. With the fall of the USSR in 1991, the International Red Cross took control of the records from the concentration camps in the eastern bloc -- mostly in Poland. Between 1945 and 1991, organized radical jewry claimed that 4 million jewish people were murdered at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. The records to prove this claim were held by the highly secretive Soviet Union. When the Int'l Red Cross got a hold of the records in 1991, it was discovered that: 1) about 400,000 people died at Auschwitz. Notice 3 things here: 1) the amount of deaths were incredibly less; 2) those who died were NOT JUST jewish people, but people from all backgrounds, and 3) they DIED; they weren't murdered. Organized radical jewry went ballistic. They need the high numbers to exacerbate their self-annointed victimhood status. They refused to acknowledge the lower numbers. The Intl Red Cross argued that the facts are the facts. The outcome? A compromise! This is a perfect example of how history as we're told is NOT necessarily (rarely) truth. Even though the proof is there regarding how many people died at Auschwitz-Birkenau, because of the great influence of organized radical (Zionist) jewry, they had to compromise. The new plaque at Auschwitz-Birkenau has the "compromise" number of 1.2 millions death of jewish people...and others. So organized radical jewry won a victory in that the word MILLION remained, as did the word jewish people. Think of that. The number was reduced (even with the compromise) from 4 million to 1.2 million. That's a difference of 2.8 million deaths. Yet, the number "6 million" remains the total. And we're still told 6 million jewish people were executed. It's absolute bunk. Absolute lies.

There was a clear winner and a clear loser of the 20th century. Germany lost (read: got screwed), while jewish people won. jewish people got their state of Israel (Zionism's dream)...at the expense of the Palestinians who lived there, I might add. And regarding most of the other jewish people, who reside in America....no single group in the history of human civilization has been as prosperous as jewish Americans in the last part of the 20th century and early 21st century.

A holocaust museum in most major U.S. cities. A movie about the Holocaust EVERY YEAR in America. Hollywood (movies, tv), radio, news media, publishing houses (avenues of information dissemination) completed and utterly controlled and dominated by jewish people. Not to mention Wall Street, the Federal Reserve (which is neither federal, nor a reserve), and American foreign policy.
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Thank you!

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Basically, all holocaust deniers are either liberals or Muslims. In either case the holocaust is a stumbling block for their religion.
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Come on now, lets have specifics.

Do you believe 6 million j-ews were systematically led to gas chambers and then cremated ?
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In a word, no.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Yeah, I know I'm quoting Wikipedia here but come on you morans...there are still idiots out there that deny the Holocaust even occured?!

So I'm thinking, what makes these people think this way? Are they nasty and unpleasant or are they uneducated, uninformed?
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Do you have some physical evidence of the holocaust, or is it just hear say evidence?
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Do the research and you will find out that the proof of the holocaust does not stand up to scrutiny.

They know this fact, which is why you can be imprisoned in some countries for merely stating that the holocaust is a lie.

The truth is never scared of being scrutinized. It is the lie that is scared of being examined, for fear of being found out.
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First we have to go back to the beginning of the end for western civilization -- World War I. It's necessary to give a brief overview. Stay with me. I promise you'll be rewarded in the end.

In early 20th century Germany, jewish people were treated, for the most part, the same as any ethnic German. Many were very prosperous and made very good livings. In World War I, German jewish people fought and died for Germany. There are cemeteries in Germany attesting to this fact.

The year that changed everything was 1917. Three very important things happened in 1917 -- 1) The U.S. entered WWI on the Allied side; and 2) The Balfour Declaration was written; 3) Russia dropped out of the war. It had been allied with Britain and France. And all 3 events are connected by a single thread -- Zionism. Allow me to explain...

In the late 1800s, an Austrian jewish, Theodor Herzl, is credited with having founded Zionism. Between the 1880s and 1910s, Zionism and its adherents gained influence and stature within the European Jewish community, particularly in Germany, where most of the wealthy jewish people lived.

World War I lasted from 1914-18. After rapid German advances in the west into the Low Countries and northern France, there was a stalemate. The year was 1917. Neither side was gaining much ground. There was trench warfare. Nothing was being accomplished by either side. The resources and manpower were dwindling. Germany, as a matter of fact, proposed a peace with Britain and France, that would stop the war and give everyone back what they had at the beginning. Britain and France refused. Britain wanted Germany destroyed. Germany was a rising power, and threatened Britain economically not only on the Continent, but with its colonies in Africa and the south Pacific. Britain was feeling the threat to its dominance building since Germany unified after the 1870-71 Franco-Prussian War.

Remember that Germany was allied with the Ottoman Turkish Empire in WWI. It was Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Turks against Britain, France, and (until 1917) Russia. Russia dropped out of WWI to fight its internal civil war -- the Russian (Communist) Revolution, which was agitated for mostly by Russian jewish people. For decades, jewish people in Russia sought the overthrow of the Russian monarchy (a point I will come back to later in a larger context for all of Europe).

Organized radical Jewry in Europe (let's call them Zionists for lack of a better term) observed several events happening that presented them with the ultimate Machiavellian (traitorous/treasonous) opportunity: 1) Russia dropped out of WWI. Organized radical jewry in Russia was spearheading the overthrow of the Christian monarchy of the tsars. Thus, (2), Britain and France faced a desperate situation, as now the full force of the German military was able to withdraw from their eastern (Russian) front, and turn west to channel their energies against Britain and France. 3) Zionism and its aherents, most of whom resided in Germany at the time, coveted the "Holy Land" -- Palestine. The Turks controlled Palestine. The Turks were allied with the Germans. Thus, it behooved organized, radical Jewry (Zionists) to battle AGAINST these "Central Powers" (Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey), as they were called, and ally themselves with the "Allies" -- Britain and France. Thus, in 1917, after two and half years of loyally supporting their nation, Germany, in its battle against Britain and France (and Russia), the German zionists, secretly of course, stabbed their nation and their countrymen in the back and decided to bring their considerable influence to bear in helping Britain and France to defeat Germany (and most importantly Turkey), thus "freeing" Palestine from the centuries-old grip of the Ottoman Turks.

Zionists in Germany devised a scheme. They went to the British government and offered them a deal: IF WE, GERMAN ZIONISTS, GET OUR ZIONIST "FRIENDS" IN AMERICA TO INFLUENCE THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO ENTER WWI ON YOUR (BRITAIN'S AND FRANCE'S) SIDE, THEN AFTER YOU ARE VICTORIOUS (and victory would be assured upon American entrance into the war because of the fresh manpower, supplies, etc.), YOU MUST PROMISE TO ALLOW EUROPEAN jewish people TO EMIGRATE TO PALESTINE (which will have been freed from Turkish rule after Allied victory).

Britain agreed. So in 1917, we have both the United States entering World War I, and the writing of the Balfour Declaration, which was a letter written by British foreign secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild. A couple of questions everyone should ask themselves about these two events: Why would the Balfour Declaration be written to Lord Rothschild? And why would the U.S. enter WWI? World War I was the most quintessential of EUROPEAN wars. It had nothing to do with the United States. America was dragged in, its sons' blood shed, and its resources used to fight for a jewish homeland in Palestine. That's the gist of it. And to top it off, this true reason for America's entrance into World War I was not given to the American people. Obviously if it was, no American would support our going to war. Instead, in our history books, our American entrance into WWI was couched in excuses like: the sinking of the Lusitania, and the Zimmermann Letter. Regarding the Lusitania, 1) it was sunk in 1915, two years prior. Why would we wait 2 years to retaliate? 2) Germany warned the United States many times (even posting ads in 50 American newspapers) that ships carrying contraband would be sunk. The Lusitania was, indeed, carrying munitions. Thus, it was sunk. As usual, American politicians had their own agenda (influenced by those who do not have the best interests of America or Americans at heart), and they needed a casus belli ("reason for war") to sell to the American people (USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11, etc.).

A quick interjection here. The modus operandi of organized radical jewry has always been to gain as much control of 2 of their "host" country's most important industries: 1) mass communication, and organized labor. In Russia, in Germany, in America. It matters not the country. In each, organized radical jewry dominates, controls, practically owns these 2 industries. The reason for this is to: 1) control all avenues of information dissemination -- television, movies, radio, print, media, publishing houses. And 2) to be able to initiate strikes and paralyze the economy, bringing the nation's production to a halt. They utilized both their "ace cards" in Germany in 1917 and after. They started a media campaign questioning Germany's involvement in WWI. Morale was weakened on the front. And regarding work production, strikes were organized at munitions and supply factories, so resources to the front dwindled. Germany was brought to its knees; not by Britain or France, but from within...by organized radical jewry, who stabbed Germany in the back in an effort to secure for themselves the much-coveted Zionist dream of a "homeland" for European jewish people. There's even a German name for this stab in the back during WWI -- Dolchstosslegende. This stab-in-the-back is further bolstered by the fact that not a single enemy soldier ever set foot on German soil during WWI. Yet Germany surrended. How can this be? It's amazing the things we're not told in our western history. It's certainly true that the victors write the history. There's not a better example of it than World War I.

I forgot to talk briefly about why the Zimmermann Letter was NOT a legitimate reason for America to enter WWI. The Zimmermann Letter was a telegram (what we'd call a "cable" today) written by German Foreign Secretary Arthur Zimmermann to the German ambassador to Mexico, Heinrich von Eckardt, which stated that IF the U.S. entered the war on the Britain and France's side, Eckardt was to propose a military alliance between Germany and Mexico. Mexico rejected the proposal. These types of behind-the-scenes jockeying for position cables are common diplomatic interactions between nations. It just so happens this one was intercepted by the British (hmmm....) and made public (HMMMM....). Whomever decided to publicize it to the American people did so knowing the propagandistic firestorm that would ensue. (Sort of like airing all those "Bin Laden" tapes on the evening news). In short, the Zimmermann Letter was not a legitimate reason for a nation to commit hundreds of thousands of troops, resources, money, and blood for 2 years to a European war.

Hitler served his country on the front in World War I. He was injured and required hospitalization. While recovering from his injuries in hospital (as the Brits say), he, and the rest of Germany, read the stunning news in their newspapers that Germany had unconditionally surrendered in the Great War. Things had been going generally well. Even if Germany was no longer making advances deeper into France toward Paris, at least Germany herself wasn't being invaded. Again, not a single enemy soldier set foot on German soil during World War I. How could Germany offer up an unconditional surrender? This was baffling to many Germans, including Hitler.

The truth will out, as the saying goes. Answers came to those who sought them. It was readily apparent that not only was Germany betrayed from within by Zionists, but Germany was sold out at the Treaty of Versailles. Total responsibility for World War I was heaped upon Germany, when Germany was no more responsible for the war than any of the other participants. Germany was made to pay war reparations (which they just finished paying last year, 2011); Germany was stripped of much of its territory; the German military was severely reduced; and parts of Germany's most productive industrial areas were given over to foreign control. By any reasonable person's standard, these terms were unfair; bordering on destructive.

Many things can be said, and have been said, about Hitler. Stupidity isn't one of them (or shouldn't be). Hitler sought to make Germany self-sufficient. He first sought to get rid of the central banks, which were owned primarily by German jewish people. He saw the destructive force they wielded during the Weimar Republic, bringing Germany to its knees financially. Within, 5 years, Hitler had transformed Germany into a productive, industrial powerhouse once again. So incredible was the transformation, it's called the "German Miracle". Debt-based currency was done away with. Currency was now produced and issued by the Reich; not private, primarily Jewish, bankers. This is why organized radical Jewry in Germany urged worldwide Jewry to boycott all German products. When they did, it hurt the German economy. Tensions mounted. Germans responded by boycotting jewish stores.

The German economy, despite the boycott engineered against it by organized radical (Zionist) jewry, persevered.

Let's take a look at the onset of WWII now. Despite the innuendo we're exposed to in our "western media", prior to WWII, Hitler only looked EAST. Stalin's USSR was always Hitler's main concern. As a matter of fact, Hitler and many Germans considered Germany to be Europe's bulwark against the powerful, ruthless, Bolshevik, Communist USSR to the east. Also, Hitler retook lands that were stripped from Germany after WWII (again, all to the east) -- anschluss with Austria, taking the German part of the Sudetenland, and retaking Prussia (western Poland). It's interesting that not once did Hitler show aggression toward the west of Germany. Only after Britain and France declared war on Germany did Hitler then turn west. Britain and France declared war on Germany after Germany invaded western Poland, in their successful attempt to retake Prussia which had been part of Germany before WWI. What we're not told much about is that at the same time (Sept. 1939), the USSR invaded Poland from the east. The USSR and Germany agreed to divide Poland. Why was Stalin's USSR not declared war upon, but Germany was? Interesting. The USSR was responsible for some of the worst massacres of WWII during their 1939 invasion of Poland; the Katyn Massacre, for one. Incidentally, western propaganda declared that Germany was responsible for the Katyn Massacre. Recently, evidence (which the leaders had always known) came to light in the public arena, proving that it was not Germany, but the Soviet army that was responsible for the massacre for 10,000 Polish military officers in the Katyn forest.

After experiencing firsthand the treachery and sabotage of organized radical (Zionist) Jewry in Germany during the first World War, Hitler was determined not to let such treachery occur again. Thus, in 1939 when the second world war started, Hitler put jewish people in German-controlled lands into concentration camps. NOT "death camps". Sure, people died there; as they died in the population at large in any country. But the concentration camps were not set up to exterminate jewish people. They were set up to remove a perceived internal threat to Germany. JUST LIKE AMERICA DID WITH JAPANESE-AMERICANS. We removed what we perceived could be a potential internal threat to our security during WWII. We put took Japanese Americans from their homes, away from their businesses, and forced them into concentration camps located throughout the United States. It could be argued that what America did had less validity, since America hadn't experienced a betrayal by Japanese Americans before. Germany, on the other hand, HAD experienced an internal betrayal by its jewish people -- 1917. THIS is the dirty little secret of WWII that western "mass media" (owned by whom?) holds very close to the vest. Qui bono? Who benefits? 1948: creation of the state of Israel.

"Arbeit macht frei" = "Works makes you free". The biggest cause of death in the concentration camps was typhus, which was spread by fleas. The Nazis attempted to combat typhus by using zyklon b to disinfect clothes, bedding, etc. at the concentration camps. And when people died of typhus, their corpses were burned in ovens in order to dispose of the diseased individual.

Allow me to give an example of the propaganda of the concentration camps used by "western mass media" since WWII. The records of most of the concentration camps were held by the USSR in secret. Thus, Zionist propagandists in the West could make up any numbers they wanted. Who would question it? The records couldn't be gotten to. With the fall of the USSR in 1991, the International Red Cross took control of the records from the concentration camps in the eastern bloc -- mostly in Poland. Between 1945 and 1991, organized radical jewry claimed that 4 million jewish people were murdered at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. The records to prove this claim were held by the highly secretive Soviet Union. When the Int'l Red Cross got a hold of the records in 1991, it was discovered that: 1) about 400,000 people died at Auschwitz. Notice 3 things here: 1) the amount of deaths were incredibly less; 2) those who died were NOT JUST jewish people, but people from all backgrounds, and 3) they DIED; they weren't murdered. Organized radical jewry went ballistic. They need the high numbers to exacerbate their self-annointed victimhood status. They refused to acknowledge the lower numbers. The Intl Red Cross argued that the facts are the facts. The outcome? A compromise! This is a perfect example of how history as we're told is NOT necessarily (rarely) truth. Even though the proof is there regarding how many people died at Auschwitz-Birkenau, because of the great influence of organized radical (Zionist) jewry, they had to compromise. The new plaque at Auschwitz-Birkenau has the "compromise" number of 1.2 millions death of jewish people...and others. So organized radical jewry won a victory in that the word MILLION remained, as did the word jewish people. Think of that. The number was reduced (even with the compromise) from 4 million to 1.2 million. That's a difference of 2.8 million deaths. Yet, the number "6 million" remains the total. And we're still told 6 million jewish people were executed. It's absolute bunk. Absolute lies.

There was a clear winner and a clear loser of the 20th century. Germany lost (read: got screwed), while jewish people won. jewish people got their state of Israel (Zionism's dream)...at the expense of the Palestinians who lived there, I might add. And regarding most of the other jewish people, who reside in America....no single group in the history of human civilization has been as prosperous as jewish Americans in the last part of the 20th century and early 21st century.

A holocaust museum in most major U.S. cities. A movie about the Holocaust EVERY YEAR in America. Hollywood (movies, tv), radio, news media, publishing houses (avenues of information dissemination) completed and utterly controlled and dominated by jewish people. Not to mention Wall Street, the Federal Reserve (which is neither federal, nor a reserve), and American foreign policy.
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THIS^^^^
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Basically, all holocaust deniers are either liberals or Muslims. In either case the holocaust is a stumbling block for their religion.
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Come on now, lets have specifics.

Do you believe 6 million j-ews were systematically led to gas chambers and then cremated ?
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In a word, no.
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I vote no as well.
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OP Do they bother you because they disagree with you?

I know how that feels I'm like you and every one should believe and think just like me!

At least this way we can make a list of people who don't agree with us so we know who they are RIGHT?!! Then we can call them shills or trolls with confidence that we have the correct person RIGHT?!!
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