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The "RAPTURE" Doctrine is a LIE!

 
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1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 "According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the spam, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words."

and

1 Corinthians 15:52 "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For uthe trumpet will sound, and vthe dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. "

What the Lord spoke to me does line up with scripture perfectly. I started listening to all kinds of interpretations of man, like you're doing now. I fasted and prayed for 3 days and then heard His voice that spoke to me and said "At the last trump the dead in christ will rise and then you will be taken".

This is the truth and it lines up with His Word. Fast and pray about yourself if you dont believe me, but don't listen to man because man will steer you wrong.

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1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 "According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the spam, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words."

and

1 Corinthians 15:52 "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For uthe trumpet will sound, and vthe dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. "

What the Lord spoke to me does line up with scripture perfectly. I started listening to all kinds of interpretations of man, like you're doing now. I fasted and prayed for 3 days and then heard His voice that spoke to me and said "At the last trump the dead in christ will rise and then you will be taken".

This is the truth and it lines up with His Word. Fast and pray about yourself if you dont believe me, but don't listen to man because man will steer you wrong.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I am not denying those verses, I am just saying that the interpretation and doctrine placed on them is wrong...

Ask yourself, what "last trump" does He mean. Consider what comes before and after it according to scripture.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 "According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the spam, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words."

and

1 Corinthians 15:52 "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For uthe trumpet will sound, and vthe dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. "

What the Lord spoke to me does line up with scripture perfectly. I started listening to all kinds of interpretations of man, like you're doing now. I fasted and prayed for 3 days and then heard His voice that spoke to me and said "At the last trump the dead in christ will rise and then you will be taken".

This is the truth and it lines up with His Word. Fast and pray about yourself if you dont believe me, but don't listen to man because man will steer you wrong.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I am not denying those verses, I am just saying that the interpretation and doctrine placed on them is wrong...

Ask yourself, what "last trump" does He mean. Consider what comes before and after it according to scripture.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Fast and pray for 3 days, and you'll get the truth from Him.

hf
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You do know the Vials happen AFTER the 7th trumpet right? Do you know what happened during the time of the 1st vial?

PLEASE understand and know history in relation to the bible.

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 "According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the spam, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words."

and

1 Corinthians 15:52 "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For uthe trumpet will sound, and vthe dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. "

What the Lord spoke to me does line up with scripture perfectly. I started listening to all kinds of interpretations of man, like you're doing now. I fasted and prayed for 3 days and then heard His voice that spoke to me and said "At the last trump the dead in christ will rise and then you will be taken".

This is the truth and it lines up with His Word. Fast and pray about yourself if you dont believe me, but don't listen to man because man will steer you wrong.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I am not denying those verses, I am just saying that the interpretation and doctrine placed on them is wrong...

Ask yourself, what "last trump" does He mean. Consider what comes before and after it according to scripture.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Fast and pray for 3 days, and you'll get the truth from Him.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I get the Truth from His written Word, anything else is a risk of deception.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 "According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the spam, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words."

and

1 Corinthians 15:52 "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For uthe trumpet will sound, and vthe dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. "

What the Lord spoke to me does line up with scripture perfectly. I started listening to all kinds of interpretations of man, like you're doing now. I fasted and prayed for 3 days and then heard His voice that spoke to me and said "At the last trump the dead in christ will rise and then you will be taken".

This is the truth and it lines up with His Word. Fast and pray about yourself if you dont believe me, but don't listen to man because man will steer you wrong.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I am not denying those verses, I am just saying that the interpretation and doctrine placed on them is wrong...

Ask yourself, what "last trump" does He mean. Consider what comes before and after it according to scripture.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Fast and pray for 3 days, and you'll get the truth from Him.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I get the Truth from His written Word, anything else is a risk of deception.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I love you brother, but this is not the way to think. God is faithful to His people. He will give you understanding and guidance. Don't be afraid of the Holy Spirit because this is our gift from Him. He will not deceive you.

You're allowing men to translate the written word for you, instead of asking the Lord Himself. This is the real risk of deception because the heart of man is evil. Don't trust any person, trust the Lord and His Holy Spirit only. Ask Him.

hf
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I am not denying those verses, I am just saying that the interpretation and doctrine placed on them is wrong...

Ask yourself, what "last trump" does He mean. Consider what comes before and after it according to scripture.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Fast and pray for 3 days, and you'll get the truth from Him.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I get the Truth from His written Word, anything else is a risk of deception.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I love you brother, but this is not the way to think. God is faithful to His people. He will give you understanding and guidance. Don't be afraid of the Holy Spirit because this is our gift from Him. He will not deceive you.

You're allowing men to translate the written word for you, instead of asking the Lord Himself. This is the real risk of deception because the heart of man is evil. Don't trust any person, trust the Lord and His Holy Spirit only. Ask Him.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


How often do you read Revelation? It's important that you see the truth in the videos I posted. The Lord will take us up AT His RETURN, not before, it's all there in the bible.

As for the Holy Spirit, he does guide us into all Truth but aligned with scripture not in place of it.

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Fast and pray for 3 days, and you'll get the truth from Him.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I get the Truth from His written Word, anything else is a risk of deception.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I love you brother, but this is not the way to think. God is faithful to His people. He will give you understanding and guidance. Don't be afraid of the Holy Spirit because this is our gift from Him. He will not deceive you.

You're allowing men to translate the written word for you, instead of asking the Lord Himself. This is the real risk of deception because the heart of man is evil. Don't trust any person, trust the Lord and His Holy Spirit only. Ask Him.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


How often do you read Revelation? It's important that you see the truth in the videos I posted. The Lord will take us up AT His RETURN, not before, it's all there in the bible.

As for the Holy Spirit, he does guide us into all Truth but aligned with scripture not in place of it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I've read revelation maybe 10 times? I agree He takes us up at His return. That is at the 7th trump, the last trump.

That's what I've been saying......it's at the last trump.

The Lord takes His bride away, and the wicked are left to face His wrath. This is the truth brother.

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The Secret Rapture is a Jesuit doctrine "futurism"
created to confuse and "Deceive" the protestant christian world..

It teaches that when Christ returns (secretly)
for to take his people to heaven, saving them from persecutions/tribulations and THEN that he would come back 7 years later for the other people who "might" be ready then....

Unfortunately for the people who brought in to that lie it's just "THAT" it isn't anywhere in the Bible.

Now If Lucifer impersonates Christ, as many think that he will people will think:
Cool I have 7 years to get right with God
(Here in Lies the Satanic deception)

The Day to get right with God is Yesterday or today not tomorrow or 7 years from whenever, The more one Sins the easier it is to stay in Sin, Sin separates us from God
most of The Christian world doesn't even know what sin is today.
--1 John 3:4 (Sin=Lawlessness)
--Matthew 7:23 (Christ will say to some"I never knew you")

Everyone will know when Christ Has Actually Returned,
His Kingdom "is Not of this Earth", "His feet won't touch the Ground", "The Earth will Cook with fervent Heat"; So If you are right with Christ You will Stand and then "Meet Him in The Air".

If you are Not right with Christ, then You will Beg for Destruction out of Inner Shame at the Brightness of The Lord

Ether way this World Breaks when Christ returns, after that the 2nd resurrection Where The Saints Judge the Evil Angels and the Wicked (who get cast into a lake of fire)

Then Heaven and Earth Combine
(God's People get to see Eden restored and rule With Christ from His Throne)

There wont be Many Jesuits or Popes there :(
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I get the Truth from His written Word, anything else is a risk of deception.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I love you brother, but this is not the way to think. God is faithful to His people. He will give you understanding and guidance. Don't be afraid of the Holy Spirit because this is our gift from Him. He will not deceive you.

You're allowing men to translate the written word for you, instead of asking the Lord Himself. This is the real risk of deception because the heart of man is evil. Don't trust any person, trust the Lord and His Holy Spirit only. Ask Him.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


How often do you read Revelation? It's important that you see the truth in the videos I posted. The Lord will take us up AT His RETURN, not before, it's all there in the bible.

As for the Holy Spirit, he does guide us into all Truth but aligned with scripture not in place of it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I've read revelation maybe 10 times? I agree He takes us up at His return. That is at the 7th trump, the last trump.

That's what I've been saying......it's at the last trump.

The Lord takes His bride away, and the wicked are left to face His wrath. This is the truth brother.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Where in the bible does it say the 7th trumpet preceding the 7 vials is the "last trump"?
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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I love you brother, but this is not the way to think. God is faithful to His people. He will give you understanding and guidance. Don't be afraid of the Holy Spirit because this is our gift from Him. He will not deceive you.

You're allowing men to translate the written word for you, instead of asking the Lord Himself. This is the real risk of deception because the heart of man is evil. Don't trust any person, trust the Lord and His Holy Spirit only. Ask Him.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


How often do you read Revelation? It's important that you see the truth in the videos I posted. The Lord will take us up AT His RETURN, not before, it's all there in the bible.

As for the Holy Spirit, he does guide us into all Truth but aligned with scripture not in place of it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I've read revelation maybe 10 times? I agree He takes us up at His return. That is at the 7th trump, the last trump.

That's what I've been saying......it's at the last trump.

The Lord takes His bride away, and the wicked are left to face His wrath. This is the truth brother.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Where in the bible does it say the 7th trumpet preceding the 7 vials is the "last trump"?
 Quoting: Veresanctus


The vials are the wrath, we are not here for the wrath. Scripture says that too. We are not appointed to wrath because we were faithful.
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How often do you read Revelation? It's important that you see the truth in the videos I posted. The Lord will take us up AT His RETURN, not before, it's all there in the bible.

As for the Holy Spirit, he does guide us into all Truth but aligned with scripture not in place of it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I've read revelation maybe 10 times? I agree He takes us up at His return. That is at the 7th trump, the last trump.

That's what I've been saying......it's at the last trump.

The Lord takes His bride away, and the wicked are left to face His wrath. This is the truth brother.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Where in the bible does it say the 7th trumpet preceding the 7 vials is the "last trump"?
 Quoting: Veresanctus


The vials are the wrath, we are not here for the wrath. Scripture says that too. We are not appointed to wrath because we were faithful.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


The bible does not say we won't be here when his wrath is poured out only that His wrath is not for us but for the ungodly meaning we will not be it's target. You didn't answer the question though.

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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I've read revelation maybe 10 times? I agree He takes us up at His return. That is at the 7th trump, the last trump.

That's what I've been saying......it's at the last trump.

The Lord takes His bride away, and the wicked are left to face His wrath. This is the truth brother.
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Where in the bible does it say the 7th trumpet preceding the 7 vials is the "last trump"?
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The vials are the wrath, we are not here for the wrath. Scripture says that too. We are not appointed to wrath because we were faithful.
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The bible does not say we won't be here when his wrath is poured out only that His wrath is not for us but for the ungodly meaning we will not be it's target. You didn't answer the question though.
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Yes, it does say that. Several times in several different books. We are not here for the wrath.

I'm not going to debate with you about it tho, because you refuse to even fast and pray about it. I guess you want to believe what you want to believe, so be it.
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Where in the bible does it say the 7th trumpet preceding the 7 vials is the "last trump"?
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The vials are the wrath, we are not here for the wrath. Scripture says that too. We are not appointed to wrath because we were faithful.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


The bible does not say we won't be here when his wrath is poured out only that His wrath is not for us but for the ungodly meaning we will not be it's target. You didn't answer the question though.
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Yes, it does say that. Several times in several different books. We are not here for the wrath.

I'm not going to debate with you about it tho, because you refuse to even fast and pray about it. I guess you want to believe what you want to believe, so be it.
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Lets make it simple, where in the bible does it say that we will not be on earth during the outpouring of the Vials? After all, that is what we are talking about right? Not being here when the 7 vials are poured out?

God's wrath abides on the unsaved, meaning that they will be judged individually by God and cast in the lake of fire, for the wrath of God does not abide on the saved. Do you not think it possible for the unsaved to be destroyed while the saved be spared?

Consider Noah and those who were not saved (as it were in the days of Noah so shall it be with the return of Jesus). Noah was there along with the unsaved but Noah was spared while the unsaved were drowned and were taken away. God didn't take Noah off the earth just because Noah was not under God's wrath, Noah was there all through it but was saved from destruction.

Many people are confused because of false doctrines about the second coming and the prophecies in Daniel. When Jesus speaks of praying that we escape He was referring to the destruction of Israel and the abomination of desolation setup in the Temple in 70AD not His second coming. Because of His warning many escaped before it was destroyed.

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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The vials are the wrath, we are not here for the wrath. Scripture says that too. We are not appointed to wrath because we were faithful.
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The bible does not say we won't be here when his wrath is poured out only that His wrath is not for us but for the ungodly meaning we will not be it's target. You didn't answer the question though.
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Yes, it does say that. Several times in several different books. We are not here for the wrath.

I'm not going to debate with you about it tho, because you refuse to even fast and pray about it. I guess you want to believe what you want to believe, so be it.
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Lets make it simple, where in the bible does it say that we will not be on earth during the outpouring of the Vials? After all, that is what we are talking about right? Not being here when the 7 vials are poured out?

God's wrath abides on the unsaved, meaning that they will be judged individually by God and cast in the lake of fire, for the wrath of God does not abide on the saved. Do you not think it possible for the unsaved to be destroyed while the saved be spared?

Consider Noah and those who were not saved (as it were in the days of Noah so shall it be with the return of Jesus). Noah was there along with the unsaved but Noah was spared while the unsaved were drowned and were taken away. God didn't take Noah off the earth just because Noah was not under God's wrath, Noah was there all through it but was saved from destruction.

Many people are confused because of false doctrines about the second coming and the prophecies in Daniel. When Jesus speaks of praying that we escape He was referring to the destruction of Israel and the Temple in 70AD not His second coming. Because of His warning many escaped before it was destroyed.
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Hey brother, I"m just not interested in debate. I"m tired and didn't even read your whole post above, I just don't have the energy or desire to try and "prove" something.

I just ask that you fast and pray about it, let the Lord tell you. Don't lean upon your own understanding.

Peace to you.

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there is a rapture, but it does not happen before the tribulation
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The vials are the wrath, we are not here for the wrath. Scripture says that too. We are not appointed to wrath because we were faithful.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


The bible does not say we won't be here when his wrath is poured out only that His wrath is not for us but for the ungodly meaning we will not be it's target. You didn't answer the question though.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Yes, it does say that. Several times in several different books. We are not here for the wrath.

I'm not going to debate with you about it tho, because you refuse to even fast and pray about it. I guess you want to believe what you want to believe, so be it.
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Lets make it simple, where in the bible does it say that we will not be on earth during the outpouring of the Vials? After all, that is what we are talking about right? Not being here when the 7 vials are poured out?

God's wrath abides on the unsaved, meaning that they will be judged individually by God and cast in the lake of fire, for the wrath of God does not abide on the saved. Do you not think it possible for the unsaved to be destroyed while the saved be spared?

Consider Noah and those who were not saved (as it were in the days of Noah so shall it be with the return of Jesus). Noah was there along with the unsaved but Noah was spared while the unsaved were drowned and were taken away. God didn't take Noah off the earth just because Noah was not under God's wrath, Noah was there all through it but was saved from destruction.

Many people are confused because of false doctrines about the second coming and the prophecies in Daniel. When Jesus speaks of praying that we escape He was referring to the destruction of Israel and the abomination of desolation setup in the Temple in 70AD not His second coming. Because of His warning many escaped before it was destroyed.
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You are correct. Wherever you find the rapture being taught you will also find a whole host of Babylonian false teaching and blindness concerning the witchcraft that rules the world. You will find them celebrating Saturnalia, Easter and Valentine's day ignorantly giving honor to pagan holidays. You will find them worshipping the flag of a pagan nation and blind to the pagan and satanic images all around them. You will find them under the delusion that the wars are just. You will find them believing that 911 was pulled off by evil Muslims.
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The common teaching that the saved will be secretly raptured away leaving the wicked is NOT TRUE!

PLEASE WATCH BEFORE REFUTING







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Jesus showed it to many people and I believe it will happen like He said
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The common teaching that the saved will be secretly raptured away leaving the wicked is NOT TRUE!

PLEASE WATCH BEFORE REFUTING







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Jesus showed it to many people and I believe it will happen like He said
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Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Not the beginning.

Not the middle.

"he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
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You can tell those that believe in the pre-trib rapture did NOT watch any of the video. The reality is that anyone who believes in this 'theory' is a selfish, cowardly baby. End of story. They think they are better than everyone else who has existed throughout the history of mankind and who has died because of their faith. As the author stated, it is an insult to all of them.

Imo, they are an embarrassment of the Christian faith. They are the worst example of Christians and yet they feel more worthy than even the Apostles. It's sickening really. If they were true Christians they would not fear death and the reality is that they represent the 1/3 true Christians who will 'fall' from the faith...they ARE the Apostasy; they fear their lives being taken, their 'stuff' being taken and being persecuted and ridiculed. They don't have the kahunas to stand up for their faith, their God...their Savior.

You better re-evaluate your stance on this!!!
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You can tell those that believe in the pre-trib rapture did NOT watch any of the video. The reality is that anyone who believes in this 'theory' is a selfish, cowardly baby. End of story. They think they are better than everyone else who has existed throughout the history of mankind and who has died because of their faith. As the author stated, it is an insult to all of them.

Imo, they are an embarrassment of the Christian faith. They are the worst example of Christians and yet they feel more worthy than even the Apostles. It's sickening really. If they were true Christians they would not fear death and the reality is that they represent the 1/3 true Christians who will 'fall' from the faith...they ARE the Apostasy; they fear their lives being taken, their 'stuff' being taken and being persecuted and ridiculed. They don't have the kahunas to stand up for their faith, their God...their Savior.

You better re-evaluate your stance on this!!!
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Let's not be self righteous.

I do not believe in pre trib rapture.

We will probably be killed.

However, I am not going to say that I look forward to being horribly murderer. And I do not look forward to seeing the ones I love killed. Do you? Kinda sick if you do. The first two commandments are the whole of the law, friend.
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You can tell those that believe in the pre-trib rapture did NOT watch any of the video. The reality is that anyone who believes in this 'theory' is a selfish, cowardly baby. End of story. They think they are better than everyone else who has existed throughout the history of mankind and who has died because of their faith. As the author stated, it is an insult to all of them.

Imo, they are an embarrassment of the Christian faith. They are the worst example of Christians and yet they feel more worthy than even the Apostles. It's sickening really. If they were true Christians they would not fear death and the reality is that they represent the 1/3 true Christians who will 'fall' from the faith...they ARE the Apostasy; they fear their lives being taken, their 'stuff' being taken and being persecuted and ridiculed. They don't have the kahunas to stand up for their faith, their God...their Savior.

You better re-evaluate your stance on this!!!
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Let's not be self righteous.

I do not believe in pre trib rapture.

We will probably be killed.

However, I am not going to say that I look forward to being horribly murderer. And I do not look forward to seeing the ones I love killed. Do you? Kinda sick if you do. The first two commandments are the whole of the law, friend.
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I do not wish anything, I am just quoting the Bible. If you have a problem with it, then I would suggest that you try and bring the truth of that scripture to the manipulated masses who are being led by sheep in wolves clothing:

2 Peter 2:1-3

2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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We have got to stop tip-toeing around this subject and all other heresies for that matter. Jesus was not some pansy! Yes, He is love and peace, but He was also straight-forward and did NOT mince His words. This politically correct crap stuff has got to stop! This is a war for men's souls and none of us should take it so lightly.

Lies are being taught to our fellow brothers or sisters in Christ and they ARE believing them. If I must be harsh here in the world, it is far better for them when they are rewarded with the promises of our Heavenly Father!

We are all going to die one day, if it must be in order to glorify our Father in Heaven, I would rather my death meant something rather than cower under pressure. As it is, these people will not be prepared for this pressure if they feel they will not go through it. And it is not what unbelievers need to see us representing. We are soldiers who represent our King!!!! Not pansies who will fail when the time of our Lord comes brilliantly.
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Sorry, get to typing so fast:


"Wolves in sheep's clothing".
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I will give a reference in Revelation 20:4-6 that tells us that the raptre is after the Tribulation (remember the resurrection of the just comes before rapture of the living saints). In Revelation 20:4-6 it shows us the the 1st resurrection the resurrection of the just is after the Tribulation because it include those that were martyred during the Tribulation.

Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands,; and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousands years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

As CAN CLEARLY AND IRREFUTABLE CAN BE SEEN...The first resurrection is after the tribulation, we know this because it includes the tribulational martyrs.

There can be no resurrection before the first resurrection, otherwise it would be a SECOND ressurection..or a THIRD even, therefore there can not be a mass resurrection of the dead in Christ before the tribulation. Seeing that the first resurrection takes place at the end of the tribulation, the pretrib rapture along with the mid trib, and pre wrath rapture become biblically impossible. The only view that fits is that of a post trib rapture. The first resurrection is the resurrection of the just and the rapture immediately proceeds it.


So to summarise....

The first ressurection happens at the LAST day..the very day Jesus returns to begin his reign and toast the evil ones at armageddon.

The SECOND ressurection happens at the end of the thousand years not long after satan is let loose again to lead his final rebellion..correct??

So...according to the bible...Jesus returns..gathers all who are his...the dead who LOVED him and God..followed by those who are still alive who love himm....and wipes out the antichrist at the end of the tribulation..FIRST ressurection..

There are only TWO ressurections..a "First"..which is for the righteous..and a "Second" which is for the evil.


1st Thessalonians 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain (SURVIVE)unto the coming of the Lord shall not preceed (GO BEFORE) them which are asleep.

Notice it says "THE COMING OF THE LORD"...so it IS his return then...and it goes on to describe what happens..the ORDER in which they happen..

16 For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trump of God: and (THEN)the dead will rise first

Notice the TRUMPET!!..so it HAS to be the LAST trumpet..cause its his RETURN AND THE FIRST RESSURECTION!!

:(THE RESSURECTION OF THE JUST...FIRST ressurection!)

17 Then we which are alive and remain (THE SURVIVORS)shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall ever be with the Lord.


So if THIS is the case...

as is clearly stated...JESUS returns..raises up ALL who are his who have died throughout history..THEN..he changes those who are still alive at this time into immortal beings..THEN he smashes the forces of the antichrist and sets up his 1000 year kindom..all on the SAME DAY


THE LAST DAY

And it CLEARLY states..that the DEAD are raised BEFORE the living are changed..

SO HOW CAN THE RAPTURE HAPPEN BEFORE THE FIRST RESSURECTION???...when it says it happens AFTER??
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Tribulation and wrath are NOT the same thing! Jesus never said we would escape tribulation. In fact, He said we would go through it. The fearful will not enter the Kingdom for we are not to fear death or destruction in this world. The only fear we are to have is the fear of God.
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PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING. IT WILL CLEAR UP THINGS FOR YOU. I USED BIBLEGATEWAY.COM FOR SCRIPTURE. SOME OF IT IS REPEATED, BUT THE CORRELATION BETWEEN MATTHEW 24 AND REVELATION 6-7 SHOWS YOU THE FIRST ENDTIME APPEARANCE OF CHRIST.
Revelation 6 12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. HERE'S YOUR SIGN OF JONAH. THREE DAYS OF DARKNESS JUST LIKE WHEN THE SON OF MAN WENT INTO THE EARTH AND JONAH WAS IN BELLY OF THE WHALE. A FAITHLESS GENERATION WILL NOT HEED THE SIGNS UNTIL THIS HAPPENS.

15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
Revelation 7 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. WIND STOPS AFTER THE WORLDWIDE EARTHQUAKE. THIS IS A BIG DEAL. THE RAPTURE IS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

The Great Multitude in White Robes

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:

“Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!”
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out KEY WORDS HERE - CAME OUT OF of the great tribulation NOT AFTER IT; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore,

“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence.
16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’[a]
nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’
‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’[c]”

Revelation 11 The Seventh Trumpet

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.
18 The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

Now look at Matthew 24
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.LOOK AT WHAT REVELATION 6;15-17 SAYS, BASICALLY THE SAME THING.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.


NOW COMPARE WHAT IS IN BOLD FOR THE CELESTIAL WOES IN REVELATION 6 AND THE EVENTS MENTIONED IN MATTHEW 24. THEY ARE CLEARLY THE SAME EVENTS. THERE IS A MULTITUDE BROUGHT BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD IN REVELATION 7 AND THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN IN MATTHEW 24 WITH THE GATHERING OF THE ELECT IS CONSISTENT. THIS IS YOUR RAPTURE EVENT.

REVELATION 11, THE SEVENTH TRUMPET IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE TOTAL KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH WITH HIS SON'S MILLENIAL REIGN. THE TRANSFORMATION AT THIS EVENT IS A DIFFERENT EVENT.

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Hello

The OP is correct. However, I don't know where the verse is but I was shown it so it is in the Bible. Jesus cut down the amount of time to stay in the tribulation period for believers to 5 months.

Jesus said that if He didn't do that then lucifer would even have the power to fool His elect.

So there is no pre-trib rapture.

I was even given this in a vision.

take care
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Romans 8:35-39
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Jesus Christ is the way

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Re: The "RAPTURE" Doctrine is a LIE!
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The OP is correct. However, I don't know where the verse is but I was shown it so it is in the Bible. Jesus cut down the amount of time to stay in the tribulation period for believers to 5 months.

Jesus said that if He didn't do that then lucifer would even have the power to fool His elect.

So there is no pre-trib rapture.

I was even given this in a vision.

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That's correct. There is no pretribulation rapture. There is nothing in scripture to indicate it. The sign of Jonah just like when the Son of Man went to the center of the earth is a different story though and is in the midst of the great tribulation.
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Re: The "RAPTURE" Doctrine is a LIE!
Hello

The OP is correct. However, I don't know where the verse is but I was shown it so it is in the Bible. Jesus cut down the amount of time to stay in the tribulation period for believers to 5 months.

Jesus said that if He didn't do that then lucifer would even have the power to fool His elect.

So there is no pre-trib rapture.

I was even given this in a vision.

take care
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Matthew 24:15-22 (NJKV)

15 "Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened."

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