lets talk about quantum physics

Why?

In an alternate universe, you and I are already discussing it.

The double split experiment was done because they found out that some particles act differently if they are watched wasn't it?

The observer influenced how they acted. They acted different if they were not observed.

so this is based on the viewers choice and it creates it tobecome by whatever it is? what if the viwer chooses not to acknowledge it what would it become

think bigger

I suspect the consciousness of lovers become quantum entangled, as do twins, and children with their Mothers.

ok i think i know what this means?

With quantum distance, time and space don't exist. Or if they exist they have no or little influence. The only real influence "now" has on quantum is an entanglement by means of the sum being greater than all the variables. eliminate all the variables, what is left is the essence of quantum,
or something like that.

quantum = all that is not "now"

by viewing quantum we alter both "now" and quantum

or something like that.

asume that a perseption can create a terbulance

a preseption being one of only what one can comperhend with the sences that one has; sight sound touch

asume that some things can exist in more than one demention, "cross"

the turbulances in one demintion would cause a reation in another

like light heating the air

Quantum: An excuse for bullshit?

That is the effect of the inner void that exists within the 3 dimensional world that we live in and gives birth to the natural world we experience with our sences. Concsiousness is timeless, duality produces time and matter. Everything is light. The inner one (due to our natural limitation) when externalised appears to travel at a certain maximum speed in our 3d world. When you reach a meditation state and remain concsious, you actually move into the inner void and it becomes you, therefore you interact as a timeless wave with the outer cosmos. Whenever you leave that state you become part of the wave, and consiousness experiences it self in "quantum" state.

Quantum physics is a branch of science that deals with discrete, indivisible units of energy called quanta as described by the Quantum Theory. There are five main ideas represented in Quantum Theory:

Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units.
The elementary particles behave both like particles and like waves.
The movement of these particles is inherently random.
It is physically impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time. The more precisely one is known, the less precise the measurement of the other is.
The atomic world is nothing like the world we live in.
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Man this is some silliness right here right now. I'm a REAL physicist, not like the cool kind on TV, I'm the kind who literally lives in his lab working terribly long hours under a bare light-bulb doing calculations all night and all day. My area is primarily in theory, and for every hour of experiment I do maybe 500 hours of calculation and theory. Quantum mechanics is not some mystical crazy thing that allows anything to happen. It's not even how reality works, its JUST A MODEL, its a statistical math trick to predict the behavior of something we don't understand. We're just lucky that it works as well as it does, precise to 40 decimal places in some cases. I use quantum physics to model the behavior of nuclei, i.e in the study of the physics of the nucleus. I don't want discourage people from thinking out side the box or about anything but I wish there was another term for what people discuss when they mention quantum physics or quantum anything.
If you really want to speak intelligently about any kind of physics you cats are going to need to hit the books.

Personally I don't even believe in particles, I have performed first hand, many of the early experiments related to the development of the idea of the electron, such as the Millikan oil drop experiment and the charge to mass ratio via Helmholtz coil, and I'm not convinced that electrons are 'real'. All I know is that something strange is going on, and we have some ideas and some mathematical models to help us describe and sometimes predict the behavior, BUT, these models are NOT how reality works, they are just feeble guesses. I don't think its very wise to draw too many conclusions from something that is clearly WRONG, and something that not too many people understand. If you are going to draw conclusions about reality I suggest basing those conclusions on something you understand.

I think you just said that you need a mathematical model to explain something that disproves math and physics.

You already have the answer

Anyone who says "quantum physics" is a woo woo shoe

Use proper terminology and you will waste far less time on woo doo

I would like to further discuss your observations regarding electrons as I have had similar results that were quite puzzling.

We are indeed confused from very young with simplistic metal imagery which is not really what the universe looks like.

If i'm not mistaken electron theory was disproven/discarded
40 years ago.

Not as far as it still being regarded as a "particle"

Do you have some information regarding it not being classified as such?

if you believe that there is a speeed of light, it must contain energy. energy as a particle must be w/o mass to obtain the sol. reports from cern indicate that speeds of 99.99 percent of the sol have been obtained. this requires a different definition for energy.

If you combine the results from the charge to mass ratio experiment and the Milikan oil drop experiment you can calculate the charge of the electron.

The charge to mass ratio experiment works like this. A beam of electrons is introduced into a uniform magnetic field, and the beam is deflected into a circular path, F=qv X B. The radius of the path is measured, and the ratio of v to m is calculated from
F=ma(centripetal)= mv^2/r. (magnitude)

The oil drop experiment is a little trickier to set up, you need two parallel plates with an electric potential of around ~3000 volts, drops of mineral oil are allowed to fall through a hole in the top plate, and the drops are observed through a telescope with a scale. Some drops will take on some charge, and can be either suspended in the field or made to ascend vertically against gravity. The forces on the drops are calculated from these measurements, both during free-fall and with the field applied. The forces of gravity, buoyancy, and the electric field are balanced and the charge of the electron can be calculated, combined with the charge to mass ratio, the mass and charge of the electron are also calculated.

When I performed these experiments I found results consistent with three possible values for the 'fundamental' charge of the electron, one of which being about 20% of the accepted value. My professors assured me that if I were to perform the experiment many many more times that the results would become consistent with accepted values.

These experiments rely on each other, and there are many possibilities for error. All I know from performing these experiments is that 'electrons' as responsible for charge, do accept and give charge of fixed values, IE in discrete steps, but I have not seen direct evidence that these steps are all the same or that they are fixed values.

Yep that's pretty much how it works. Science can't really prove much of anything, but you can disprove theory with evidence.

Theoretical physics is exactly like what you just said, someone does an experiment or discovers some new phenomenon that screws with our current understanding, and then the mathematical and physical models are updated. It's a vicious cycle, and painfully slow.

Quantum tunneling means there is a chance, a very small chance that you could walk through a wall. Or something.

Only if you are really really small

No it doesn't.

yourworld><WORLDYOUR

i like to sit around and think ab out this shit when stoned.

ok i was just wondering i admit im not sure if i know anything about the suject. but are you saying something can happen and take place beyond our ability to expereince it or wouldnt that apply?

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Last Edited by Prof. Einstein on 12/10/2012 03:57 PM