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Colosssians 1:24?

 
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Colosssians 1:24?
How do you interpret it? Thanks.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
You mean:

(Col 1:24 Vulgate) qui nunc gaudeo in passionibus pro vobis et adimpleo ea quae desunt passionum Christi in carne mea pro corpore eius quod est ecclesia

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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
Or maybe you meant:

(Col 1:24 GNT-TR) ος νυν χαιρω εν τοις παθημασιν μου υπερ υμων και ανταναπληρ&​#969; τα υστερηματα των θλιψεων του χριστου εν τη σαρκι μου υπερ του σωματος αυτου ο εστιν η εκκλησια
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
Or maybe this:

Col 1:24 Nun freue ich mich in meinem Leiden, das ich für euch leide, und erstatte an meinem Fleisch, was noch mangelt an Trübsalen in Christo, für seinen Leib, welcher ist die Gemeinde,
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
Because it says there is somethIng lacking in the sufferings of Christ. I'm just wondering about people's views on the subject.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
Or maybe you meant:

(Col 1:24 GNT-TR) ος νυν χαιρω εν τοις παθημασιν μου υπερ υμων και ανταναπληρ&​#969; τα υστερηματα των θλιψεων του χριστου εν τη σαρκι μου υπερ του σωματος αυτου ο εστιν η εκκλησια
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now is that really necessary?
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
Does anybody have anything helpful to say?
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It means that you should celebrate your neighbor's misfortune by getting drunk.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
NLT version is more clear:

I am glad when I suffer for you in my body, for I am participating in the sufferings of Christ that continue for his body, the church.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
NLT version is more clear:

I am glad when I suffer for you in my body, for I am participating in the sufferings of Christ that continue for his body, the church.
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Christ suffered for us, his body, the church.

Paul, is delighted in being able to continue Christ's work, by continuing to help us, his body, the church, by also suffering.

Paul shares or participates in Christ's sufferings, because this suffering is done on behalf of the church.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It seems to say that the sufferings of Christ are not enough and that when we suffer we also suffer on behalf of others... Is this correct?
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
it's just a fancy way of saying 'i don't view the job i'm doing as a sacrifice because i believe in this cause.'
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
So our sufferings can help others?
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
it's just a fancy way of saying 'i don't view the job i'm doing as a sacrifice because i believe in this cause.'
 Quoting: Neoanderthal Man


I don't quite understand what you are saying can you elaborate?
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
So our sufferings can help others?
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If it's in harmony with God's will

1 Peter 4:13 So if you are suffering in a manner that pleases God, keep on doing what is right, and trust your lives to the God who created you, for he will never fail you.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
it's just a fancy way of saying 'i don't view the job i'm doing as a sacrifice because i believe in this cause.'
 Quoting: Neoanderthal Man


I don't quite understand what you are saying can you elaborate?
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it's part of the preamble in a letter...part of the greeting, hi, how are you, i'm fine stuff before getting to business.

the writer uses fancy prose to tell the addressee of the letter that he personally is working hard and/or suuffering but doesn't have a problem with it because he believes in the cause he's working for.

man...this shit isn't that hard.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
it's just a fancy way of saying 'i don't view the job i'm doing as a sacrifice because i believe in this cause.'
 Quoting: Neoanderthal Man


I don't quite understand what you are saying can you elaborate?
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Oh I see what you are saying, the part that I don't understand is why it says the sufferings of Christ were lacking. It also implies that sufferings help others?
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It seems to say that the sufferings of Christ are not enough and that when we suffer we also suffer on behalf of others... Is this correct?
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maybe, maybe not.
Suffering is difficult to limit once you go there on purpose.
One can suffer for no reason, one can induce suffering for no useful purpose, induce suffering on those reliant on you, one can cause themselves permanent harm and either burden others or die from in themselves, making it hard to distinguish from avoidable suicide, which is hardly a desirable outcome.
I cannot understand when given such complexity of doctrine provided in such a cryptic manner, why something more definite and direct isnt provided when asked for.
You have to wonder, why some get visions and other det questions, and I have no answer for you.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
what he's saying is the little bit of suffering he's enduring for the sake of the church is nothing compared to what christ suffered.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
Or maybe you meant:

(Col 1:24 GNT-TR) ος νυν χαιρω εν τοις παθημασιν μου υπερ υμων και ανταναπληρ&​#969; τα υστερηματα των θλιψεων του χριστου εν τη σαρκι μου υπερ του σωματος αυτου ο εστιν η εκκλησια
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now is that really necessary?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800


It was unexpected, I had forgetten that GLP won't do certain forms of Greek Fonts. So much for Unicode Fonts.

Sorry.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It seems to conflict with the teaching that Christ suffered once for all? It also implies another possible purpose or reason for human suffering?
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It seems to say that the sufferings of Christ are not enough and that when we suffer we also suffer on behalf of others... Is this correct?
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24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,


Paul wrote that, i believe he meant, his sufferings for his faith in Christ, was nothing compared to what Christ went though for him and for 'the church', that his suffering was because of his faith in Christ and for the church to grow, to last, and endure though the ages.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
what he's saying is the little bit of suffering he's enduring for the sake of the church is nothing compared to what christ suffered.
 Quoting: Neoanderthal Man


Yes, but is there more to it then that? Or?
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
NLT version is more clear:

I am glad when I suffer for you in my body, for I am participating in the sufferings of Christ that continue for his body, the church.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16711658


The "I" in context is of course, Paul.

There is the question there from some as to how it is that Christ continues to suffer for the Church. Or at least continued to the time that Epistel was written.

Paul states that he, Paul, is also suffering in his own physical body.. very heart felt stuff there, we all know that physical pain of extreme pining and yearning or even heartache.

OP, what is your exactly series of questions on this verse?

Looking the Vulgate or perhaps the Greek Texts and even the German one, might help one understand just which older meaning of the English were "suffer" is being intended by its author.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
it's just a fancy way of saying 'i don't view the job i'm doing as a sacrifice because i believe in this cause.'
 Quoting: Neoanderthal Man


I don't quite understand what you are saying can you elaborate?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800


Oh I see what you are saying, the part that I don't understand is why it says the sufferings of Christ were lacking. It also implies that sufferings help others?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800


I think you may be getting mixed up with the word 'suffering'.

Christ's crucifixion, was indeed sufficient.

Think of the word suffering like this.

That you're doing really hard work, that may be difficult, painful (both physically and mentally), but you endure it, since you know it's for a good cause, or God's will.

Remember what Jesus said and commanded us:

Mathew 28: 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

So even if we decide to do this, this may be really hard and challenging, both mentally and physically. You may have people call attack you, and depending on what country, you may even then likely get killed.

But you endure, the hardships and 'sufferings', because this is what Jesus commanded us.

This is only one example.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It seems to conflict with the teaching that Christ suffered once for all? It also implies another possible purpose or reason for human suffering?
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Hello OP,

IMHO, Paul is not saying that Christs sufferings were lacking. Rather He is saying his personal and spiritual knowledge of such suffering was lacking and that through his (Paul's) personal suffering for the sake of Christ, he was becoming less lacking in this area.

peace,
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
it's just a fancy way of saying 'i don't view the job i'm doing as a sacrifice because i believe in this cause.'
 Quoting: Neoanderthal Man


I don't quite understand what you are saying can you elaborate?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800


Oh I see what you are saying, the part that I don't understand is why it says the sufferings of Christ were lacking. It also implies that sufferings help others?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800


ok...let me help you...

let's say you go to a church and they have a bake sale on some sunday. you want to take your family to wallyworld that day, but decide to volunteer at the bake sale instead.

you do it because your church and the bake sale are important to you, so you give away a day at wallyworld (which would have been a lot more fun) to volunteer.

while working at the bake sale that day, one of your church friends says 'hey, i thought you wanted to go to wallyworld today'.

you say 'yeah, but i don't mind giving up a day at wallyworld to volunteer here becuase i think this is more important. besides, if jebus can stay nailed to a cross all day, and get a spear in his gut after getting whipped with a cat'o nine tails....i can volunteer at a bake sale.'

there...cliff notes for you.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It seems to say that the sufferings of Christ are not enough and that when we suffer we also suffer on behalf of others... Is this correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800


A person who turns their life over to Christ is indwelt by the Spirit.....and connected with God.

They are from that point in time a part of the body of Christ.


Just as He suffered......you will also have a period of suffering.....because you are a part of Him now.


You can research about this "fellowship of suffering."


"But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, AFTER YOU HAVE SUFFERED A WHILE, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you."

1 Peter 5: 10
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It seems to conflict with the teaching that Christ suffered once for all? It also implies another possible purpose or reason for human suffering?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800


I see that, as I wrote this before your post here, but had not yet submited my post.

That has been a big 'mystery' to me too of this verse, that exact same question. It seems on the face of it an apparent contradiction.

That Paul was suffering in his own body is not the issue, but as you have stated it there (as it also does) the doctrine that "Christ Suffered once for all ... " seems to be in contra-diction with this verse.

Again an apparent contradiction, that I have not been able to dis-spell, so far in my 40 years of study.


One can see the suffering of one going under the knife for surgery and recovery from it, the pain and suffering that lasts but a bit, and then is gone. Suffering in that sense then could be seen as only a 'temporary' thing. This too shall pass.

As also the suffering of Death and dying, too shall eventually pass at the resurrections; at least in the case of the resurrection of the Just.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
It seems to say that the sufferings of Christ are not enough and that when we suffer we also suffer on behalf of others... Is this correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800

24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,


Paul wrote that, i believe he meant, his sufferings for his faith in Christ, was nothing compared to what Christ went though for him and for 'the church', that his suffering was because of his faith in Christ and for the church to grow, to last, and endure though the ages.
 Quoting: ceawaves


Perhaps much better to take a closer look at the various Greek texts themselves to see how accurate of interpretations into the English are in the first place. Perhaps they have been poorly interpreted into English from the Greek text lines. One has to be careful of the prepositions in particular in the interpretations from the Greek prepositions into the English prepositions.

It is upon such 'cuts' that all the various denominations, including the Orthodox and Roman Catholic theologian make their bread and butter.
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Re: Colosssians 1:24?
I'm wondering if we are suffering on behalf of others to make up for th sins of others. And if this is so, can we also repair for others sins through our own prayers and sufferings. I feel a very strong calling to repair for the past human history through prayer. I feel that is my work I am being called to at this time.

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