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How do you become enlightened ? =[

 
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Hello friend hope you are well, i always have a feeling deep within that resonates when i read your words. Best wishes to you:)

"to Andreidita"
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i am well thank you :) i've always considered 'good' to be the zero point to how i perceive my well-being.
i hope all is well with you also, and that there is peace in your heart

hf
 Quoting: andreidita


Almost...almost, there is still that one thing lacking, and i think everyone that has ever read anything that i have wrote knows what that one thing is...:))
Aside from that yes, wonderful truly.

Peace is never truly attained, for when we get to that place where we feel there is ultimate peace we have forgotten that there are still hearts that need us in so many ways.
 Quoting: ~ASHERAH~


:) i understand 'peace' as a living joy of holding that place steady in the heart inward, while outward seeking lost souls to lead them back home
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so many times this inward peace is taken over by empathy. How could it not.
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You have to descend deep into your consciousness, till you find the origin of the "action" that happens in the now, the real stuff, then you merge yourself with that, erase the structured self with the authentic being, which is the universe, literally.
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Then why are you such an asshole then??? 1dunno1
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Because he is just like the christians he hates.

A self rightous arrogant pride filled bitter asshole who cant practice what he preaches.
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Unlearn what you have learned. Yoda

Peace
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it is a process of questioning from your deepest being the nature of this reality, of wondering at existence, of feeling with all heart joy and compassion, of being in the moment, of acting selflessly.
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Hello again friend :)

Questioning applies to both the internal and the external. Neither one nor the other is preferable, as both are logical reference points, with which we can 'triangulate' our next steps. It is through this 'duality' approach (or rather an 'multi/omni vector' one), that we help to ensure the 'relative selflessness' of our actions.
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true
did i sound as implying otherwise? :)

on the other hand you know that what you just said is a very abstract truth, completely detached from emotional biases.
and that it is the kind of truth that you did not read it in books, but somehow someone inside considered it to be self-evident.
and that state from where such a truth is produced and understood, through careful observation can be noticed that it is not present throughout all members of the species :)
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No, I think I have become to know you enough that I see your perception would surpass such implications, if only this common language would allow it... I was merely expanding logically, for the sake of 'cognitive resolution'.

You're right in that it is an 'abstraction' of a 'post-emotive' concept... That is to say it comes from 'our core' to 'my perception' through everything 'I am'... But that is not to say the 'core impulse' is complete without the 'exterior concepts' to accompany/apply it.

I may try to sound free from emotional bias when I speak/write, however this is far from how I really am. I simply try to include both positive and negative as I perceive it, so that my 'higher-soul bias' can be more evident in the 'balance'.

But I do believe this is evident within the entire species, however it can be seen at different stages of evolution/development depending upon who/what you examine... its more an 'aspirational principal' and not so much an 'inherent merit'... at least that's how I feel.
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You have to descend deep into your consciousness, till you find the origin of the "action" that happens in the now, the real stuff, then you merge yourself with that, erase the structured self with the authentic being, which is the universe, literally.
 Quoting: New Age Messiah


Then why are you such an ass??? 1dunno1
 Quoting: TT SGADi TT


Oh I dunno... an ass can be fun if you know what to do with one!

1rof1
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No, I think I have become to know you enough that I see your perception would surpass such implications, if only this common language would allow it... I was merely expanding logically, for the sake of 'cognitive resolution'.

You're right in that it is an 'abstraction' of a 'post-emotive' concept... That is to say it comes from 'our core' to 'my perception' through everything 'I am'... But that is not to say the 'core impulse' is complete without the 'exterior concepts' to accompany/apply it.

I may try to sound free from emotional bias when I speak/write, however this is far from how I really am. I simply try to include both positive and negative as I perceive it, so that my 'higher-soul bias' can be more evident in the 'balance'.

But I do believe this is evident within the entire species, however it can be seen at different stages of evolution/development depending upon who/what you examine... its more an 'aspirational principal' and not so much an 'inherent merit'... at least that's how I feel.
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yep, and if we're here i'll post some thoughts on the nature of reality, for your mind is a beautiful reflector :)
it is by no means a complete exposition, but i'd like to see your take upon it:

In spirit Humanity, refers to a collective being/spirit which has its substance divided throughout individual human forms.

In form humanity, refers to the totality of individual human forms.



The evolution of Humanity refers to the evolution of that collective being.



Each individual human form contains a mixture of different substances, some of them sub-human (e.g. Animal), some human proper, some supra-human. The degrees of these substances varies from individual to individual. And for each specific case there is a ‘geometrical center’, which can be located in the sub-human zone, human proper zone, or supra-human zone.



This is the only way one could explain the fact that there are human forms which elicit behaviors which are greatly inhumane (e.g. Beasts in human form).



The current stage of evolution for Humanity as a collective being had to do with the upgrade of the mental level. This is of course achieved at form level through the evolution of certain individuals.



Beside the evolution at the collective level, humanity in form was also an opportunity offered to monads who finished the evolution in the animal kingdom to make progress in the human kingdom.



This happens according to the law of compassion, in which more advanced monads join for a time similar forms with less advanced ones. Obviously while for the less advanced monads (i.e. Animals) this is a great opportunity of progress, for the more advanced monads (i.e. Humans proper, fallen angels etc) is more like a (karmic) duty which has to be fulfilled.



The age ends when Humanity as a collective being completes the current evolutionary level, and further evolution is impossible in the old forms. In our specific case, the mental functioning of the brain is already maximally developed, and the next stage has to commence, which is usually termed spiritual knowledge or straight knowledge.



This calls for a refresh in terms of individual forms, for the majority of human forms are not capable of overcoming the mental barrier. To use a metaphor, when a year ends and a new one is beginning, the Tree sheds its leaves, and only the Root and the Big Branches survive over the winter, only for a new round of leaves to appear the next spring.

All substance of Humanity concentrates in the Root, and it is emanated again in the next stage.

Not all individual monads who had the opportunity to evolve in human form gathered enough experience to pass the threshold to the next level, to center at the human proper level. (i.e. The concept of the last judgement).


Probably what will happen and is already in process is a transition to the etheric layer of reality. The veil between physical and etheric is thinning and some individuals will make the transition to being fully conscious at etheric level, while others will remain stuck at the physical level.

How this will exactly unfold is not so important. Whether it will involve a sudden trigger which will move the ascending mass into the etheric realm, or whether it will be a more gradual process where each will have to come to terms to Humanity, and depending on this he will have access to the etheric realm, remains to be seen.


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life permeates everything. the force of universal love works at the same level, and raises the vibratory frequency of all matter.
but from this perspective when a certain human dies, the atoms that compose his body do not die they just continue their journey.
so when this event happens, and all atoms raise their vibratory frequency (which there are enough indications in terms of perception of many individuals that is happening now) it still aplies whether a specific consciousness/spiritual monad/fiery atom (which is much more evolved on the ladder of consciousness than physical atoms) is evolved enough to keep the cohesion of the physical atoms gathered around it (which acts as a magnetic/quantic vortex) so to continue without 'death; in an 'ascended body', or whether the universe formed from the physical atoms which form one's body is dispersed ('death') and another body template will form around that spiritual atom.

of course from this perspective, it does not really matter. and it still aplies whether some spiritual atoms have evolved enough so as to coat themselves in a 'new human body' or whether they will only manage to form 'new animal bodies'.

when i use the terms 'human', 'animal' i use them in a functional sense to refer to certain levels of evolution of spiritual atoms. the spiritual atom around which your body/soul complex was formed was emanated from the source at the beginning of this day of brahma (big bang event) and went through all stages of evolution (i.e. mineral, vegetal, animal, human).

animal-humans that we are is considered to be the fourth kingdom, and pure Humans are considered to be the fifth kingdom (the new jerusalem, heaven etc). The fifth kingdom is not manifested at this point in a transparent manner in respect to the fourth kingdom (human-animals). There is talk of angels and their abodes, but this is not a transparent manifestation that is self-evident to the human-animals.

human-animals are still as a species not conscious in a manifest manner of upper kingdoms. and one possibility is that the fifth kingdom will become manifest toward fourth kingdom beings.

the talk about incarnated angels, indigo and crystalline children refers to the fact that in this period of 'ascension' many spiritual monads/souls already part of higher kingdoms/evolutionary levels coated themselves in human bodies in order to help with the process of 'ascension' from ground level.

on the other hand there are also a lot of souls who are part of the fourth kingdom and they strive to evolve upwards.

the tristinction between spirit/soul/matter can be made in terms of life aspect/consciousness aspect/form aspect.

the life aspect (spirit) pervades all creation and manifests the Will aspect of the source.
the point of the consciousness aspect/soul which is a manifestation of the Love/Wisdom aspect of the source (son aspect) is to harmonize the spirit aspect with the matter aspect. Through consciousness/soul universe becomes conscious of itself.
And in a human being which is combination of high vibratory substance (the spiritual monad) and relatively lower vibratory substance (the physical atoms/molecules etc), soul/consciousness is an intermediate substance which has the task of achieving harmony (loving union) between spirit and matter.
If this process is completed the effect is illumination by the light of spirit of the darkness of matter, through the medium of the soul.

when one is still caught in the illusion of duality, good/evil etc (which goes from physical through astral plane until the mental plane), then one still did not achieve liberation, meaning that the soul did not achieve yet the harmony between spirit and matter - if the soul/consciousness over identifies with good it means it still sides with spirit against matter, and if it over identifies with evil, it sides with matter against spirit. both options show a lack of the love/wisdom principle.
the point of light is to go into the darkness and illuminate it, and the point of darkness is to create the possibility of light to manifest. 'goodness' that try do distance and separate itself from 'evil' is just egoism and denial from a spiritual perspective. to fulfill one's soul mission means to give your best in making other fellow beings conscious of their lack of balance and to help them achieve it and be at peace in the Universal Heart :)

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Both the finger that is pointing and the object it is pointing to, are important, as is your perception of those. An emotive triangulation?
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How ?1dunno1
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God's grace...it finds you.

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 Quoting: Perseus7


Both the finger that is pointing and the object it is pointing to, are important, as is your perception of those. An emotive triangulation?
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the finger is a distraction, learn to separate background noise from the essence of your true focus. with enough skill you will find deeper layers hidden in plain view.
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yep, and if we're here i'll post some thoughts on the nature of reality, for your mind is a beautiful reflector :)
it is by no means a complete exposition, but i'd like to see your take upon it:
 Quoting: andreidita


As it is past 6am here and I need sleep, I must be honest and say that I can't reply to you in any meaningful detail until I have had a bit of shut-eye... I will however leave you with an impression I gathered from scan reading...

It is the human way to divide infinities into smaller 'sets/levels/dimensions' which we find easier to work with. In my view 'spiritual enlightenment' is no different. However we ARE connected as 'one with source' while also being an 'independent point of consciousness'. There are no levels, dimensions, karma-points, sins, sacrifices or any other 'barriers' between you and your soul, as it exists as a unique part, of the 'omni-soul' which is the source of everything.

You can't not be a part of everything << Intentional double negative.
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You already are 'enlightened'... realise that and you can progress.
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Both the finger that is pointing and the object it is pointing to, are important, as is your perception of those. An emotive triangulation?
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the finger is a distraction, learn to separate background noise from the essence of your true focus. with enough skill you will find deeper layers hidden in plain view.
 Quoting: Perseus7


The trick is to include the finger ('source') in the equation and not dismiss it as more or less meaningful than either the 'object' or the 'observer'... Three points of reference... a minimum for locating a 'position'.
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Both the finger that is pointing and the object it is pointing to, are important, as is your perception of those. An emotive triangulation?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10610614


the finger is a distraction, learn to separate background noise from the essence of your true focus. with enough skill you will find deeper layers hidden in plain view.
 Quoting: Perseus7


The trick is to include the finger ('source') in the equation and not dismiss it as more or less meaningful than either the 'object' or the 'observer'... Three points of reference... a minimum for locating a 'position'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10610614


I like to use music as an example. Can you isolate each instrument in a band and comprehend the emotive tonality as you listen..etc. Even though you know the bass is there you are trying to hone in on one instrument, lets say the lead guitar for ease, and in doing so you can more fully understand its nature as a part of the whole. Using this type of method you can start to unlock barriers of perception in just about any area. Color gradients are another great practicing tool. A point of reference becomes unnecessary at this level of comprehension.

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Short answer - let go of your ego in believing that you know more than other people or, for that matter, anything at all. Consciousness is peaked when one looks for answer.

Long answer - (I'll come back later tonight)
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By eating your veggies
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You already are enlightened. You don't become enlightened. The only reason you think you're not is because you're seeking. The present state you're in right now is enlightenment. There is nothing you need to do about it.
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By increasing awareness, there are many methods you can use to increase awareness. Some involve increasing your awareness within yourself while others focus on your awareness of your surroundings.

For outside yourself, practice holding as many senses as you can, while analyzing as much detail as you can, look for items or people out of place or that may be dangerous. For becoming more aware of yourself, look deep within yourself and speak clearly and avoid confusion to establish communication link with yourself. Pay attention from where your mind responds when you ask a question, this is where you want to speak. It will often reply in the form of an image or emotion. Analyze as much of your emotions and feelings as you can handle, try too see how other peoples actions influence our own. Try to understand how the smallest of things can influence the entire course of your day.


Generally you start with breathing/meditation and other lower brain controls (body), then you start tying in higher brain functions, mind then spirit. In the end you tie it all together so you can use your mind, body and spirit fluently.
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This probably explains it more thoroughly;

[link to superconscious1.blogspot.com]
Through will of thought we control our emotions and thoughts are often no more difficult to control then we make them to be.
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Thread: Smile. Breathe. Do you feel that?
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Meditate on the Light.
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^^ Here's your answer.
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"You" can't. Your Self already is. You just aren't conscious of the fact. Still the mind.

Psalm 46:10. Be silent, and know that I am God.
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By supplying answers instead of questions.
(that sometimes requires lOOking it up to make sure you have the correct one and yes I did look that up at one time)

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