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I tried to "break" the universe, and here is what I found...
I started off with a few postulates that I could potentially probe and disprove as a starting ground, ones that I thought might be the actual roots/premise of the universe itself... if you will; (if there even is such a thing).

Here are the two I came up with (they seemed good to me, at least).

postulate #1 That we live in a system based only on determinism, rather than say... free-will.

postulate #2 That we live in a simulation, more precisely, that our "actual self" is not actually where our current "projected self" resides.

Immediately I began to search for any shread of prove or facts or evidence that may prove or disprove these claims, things such as:

1.1) The background radidation of the universe being random, chaos theory, quantum randomness.

How could a universe that is deterministic have any randomness at all? A variable output given a singular static starting input state? Just a vast Pseudo-random environment only appearing true-random because of a small lense of observation? (Earth solar system)


2.1) Sitting absolutely still for hours, giving the "simulation" minimal input. Repeating the exact same actions day-in and day-out for weeks while observing/expecting different results to manifest in the simulation.

The Butterfly effect, just the fact that you have to move to go eat some food to stay alive, that small action and the choice you made of what to eat, snowballs into an infinite multi-verse of potential outcomes.
The "physical laws" if you will, prevent you from remaining in the simulation without causing it to change, or would result in your exiting of it in the form of death. I find that morbidly disturbing (sort of).
Further more I noticed that others continued to act normal, regardless of how I attempted to "control" the simulation.


This leads me to conclude that:

The only way to have free-will in a closed environment with immutable laws and determistic cause/effect behaviour, would mean that would you have to actually be living in a "simulation", external to your actual self; otherwise the universe would break its own closed-system laws of non-determinism (outputs exceed inputs).

So there are two possible states (assuming my logic is correct):
1) You believe that fate is predetermined, and you are essentially a robot following your programming. (Powered by pure randomness, or some sick game that god is playing upon you.)
2) Otherwise, you have no choice but to conclude that this universe isn't actually real (at best it is a simulation). Powered by a mix of your will-power, and/or randomness, and/or god. This option seems appealing for several obvious reasons. But still seemingly hollow because you thought that a simulation would be more comforting than the real-deal.

But in either case, you have somewhere between minimal-to-zero control over what happens in this place, or more specifically... to you; simply from the factual observations of seemingly immutable laws, by choice or force of hand.

I personally find both options highly disturbing to varying degrees. Don't you agree? and so what do you believe this place is, if not either of those two?
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Very interesting.. All if this seems oddly familiar..
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"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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The one thing I find impossible to explain is how anything is here in the first place.

The religious say God and the scientific say big bang. Okay, I'll bite, but neither of those explain the first cause.

Big bang theory may very well be true. But it states that at the beginning there was a very dense and very hot SOMETHING that went boom. How did that something come into being?

Same thing with God. There may very well be one, but how did it come into being? I have been told that God never came into being, God just always was. Even if time is just an illusion and there is no beginning and no end to it, that idea is completely illogical.

Thinking really hard about that I consider the most reasonable, and the only truly logical (logic conforming to the extend of human comprehension) explanation would be that NOTHING, in fact, exists. That's easier to explain than the concept of either something coming from nothing or something existing without beginning.

So our existence may very well not be real. Nothing is real, it's a void that transcends emptiness. It is, as you suggest, a "simulation", more of an illusion. The universe we exist in isn't real, and indeed the universe in which the universe we exist in isn't real.
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Very interesting.. All if this seems oddly familiar..
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I believe this is the ramblings to one of the characters in the animayed movie "waking life".
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Same thing with God. There may very well be one, but how did it come into being? I have been told that God never came into being, God just always was. Even if time is just an illusion and there is no beginning and no end to it, that idea is completely illogical.

Well that's not totally logic. You see if God is all that there is as a whole, and is beyond time, then it could have always existed without need of an origin. The fact that in our domain we are subject to time (change) and furthermore a beginning and end to everything material, doesn't mean that if you could see and measure the characteristics of the whole of what exists as an entity, that its domain would be subject to the same laws as ours. We just can't know that with certainty.
If you measure the smallest particle that exists you find that there's nothing tangible there, it's all merely a spectrum of possibility, it has no beginning nor an end, it's not measurable but constantly shifting according to the point of observation. Not all dimensions act the same way as ours, thus we can't understand how the dimension of The All functions.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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The one thing I find impossible to explain is how anything is here in the first place.

The religious say God and the scientific say big bang. Okay, I'll bite, but neither of those explain the first cause.

Big bang theory may very well be true. But it states that at the beginning there was a very dense and very hot SOMETHING that went boom. How did that something come into being?

Same thing with God. There may very well be one, but how did it come into being? I have been told that God never came into being, God just always was. Even if time is just an illusion and there is no beginning and no end to it, that idea is completely illogical.

Thinking really hard about that I consider the most reasonable, and the only truly logical (logic conforming to the extend of human comprehension) explanation would be that NOTHING, in fact, exists. That's easier to explain than the concept of either something coming from nothing or something existing without beginning.

So our existence may very well not be real. Nothing is real, it's a void that transcends emptiness. It is, as you suggest, a "simulation", more of an illusion. The universe we exist in isn't real, and indeed the universe in which the universe we exist in isn't real.
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I spent some time thinking about that, as well. The only conclusion I came to was that the universe can only exist if it is not theoretically possible for it not to have existed. The only other 'thing' that this applies to (that I can think of) is mathematics - laws of logic are absolute, and independent of physical or other realities. Therefore, one has to wonder whether the universe is actually a manifestation of mathematics, which when extrapolated from its basic axioms far enough, develops complex self-referential logic loops that allow it to observe and recognise itself. Our whole concept of physical reality is just a mathematical construction, as observed by another mathematical construction. Consciousness is simply logic, expressed as an ever-increasing panoply of mathematical operations. We just think that we're 'real'...

Not sure about free will, though. I guess whatever we 'choose' to do, another us in the multiverse has done the opposite - it's inevitable, if maths is exploring all possibilities to their limits.
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The one thing I find impossible to explain is how anything is here in the first place.

The religious say God and the scientific say big bang. Okay, I'll bite, but neither of those explain the first cause.

Big bang theory may very well be true. But it states that at the beginning there was a very dense and very hot SOMETHING that went boom. How did that something come into being?

Same thing with God. There may very well be one, but how did it come into being? I have been told that God never came into being, God just always was. Even if time is just an illusion and there is no beginning and no end to it, that idea is completely illogical.

Thinking really hard about that I consider the most reasonable, and the only truly logical (logic conforming to the extend of human comprehension) explanation would be that NOTHING, in fact, exists. That's easier to explain than the concept of either something coming from nothing or something existing without beginning.

So our existence may very well not be real. Nothing is real, it's a void that transcends emptiness. It is, as you suggest, a "simulation", more of an illusion. The universe we exist in isn't real, and indeed the universe in which the universe we exist in isn't real.
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I have thought of time as well.

I conclude that time doesn't exist.

The "creation of the creator" paradox leads me to believe that this "universe" was always here.

OR the alternative, that it isn't here, which is even more bizarre and even more difficult to believe/comprehend.

HOWEVER there is a third option, *if it is* a simulation, then it would make perfect sense that you could hide "anything in it" or hide "from anything real that actually exist", that is via observations from within it in the simulation or anything leaking out of it.

Thus time and/or god may still exist but is being hidden from within the simulation on purpose; or could simply be a mirage injected into the simulation. Independently of the "Why?" behind it.
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The one thing I find impossible to explain is how anything is here in the first place.

The religious say God and the scientific say big bang. Okay, I'll bite, but neither of those explain the first cause.

Big bang theory may very well be true. But it states that at the beginning there was a very dense and very hot SOMETHING that went boom. How did that something come into being?

Same thing with God. There may very well be one, but how did it come into being? I have been told that God never came into being, God just always was. Even if time is just an illusion and there is no beginning and no end to it, that idea is completely illogical.

Thinking really hard about that I consider the most reasonable, and the only truly logical (logic conforming to the extend of human comprehension) explanation would be that NOTHING, in fact, exists. That's easier to explain than the concept of either something coming from nothing or something existing without beginning.

So our existence may very well not be real. Nothing is real, it's a void that transcends emptiness. It is, as you suggest, a "simulation", more of an illusion. The universe we exist in isn't real, and indeed the universe in which the universe we exist in isn't real.
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I have thought of time as well.

I conclude that time doesn't exist.

The "creation of the creator" paradox leads me to believe that this "universe" was always here.

OR the alternative, that it isn't here, which is even more bizarre and even more difficult to believe/comprehend.

HOWEVER there is a third option, *if it is* a simulation, then it would make perfect sense that you could hide "anything in it" or hide "from anything real that actually exist", that is via observations from within it in the simulation or anything leaking out of it.

Thus time and/or god may still exist but is being hidden from within the simulation on purpose; or could simply be a mirage injected into the simulation. Independently of the "Why?" behind it.
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Another option is that this reality is only a thought form produced by an universal mind with much greater mental faculties that we could ever conceive, and which can create and uphold entire universes just with its thought. Thus that when we examine the most fundamental building blocks we find they're void, because everything is actually just like a dream but way more powerful.

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I can appreciate the depth of analysis you are going into here. But the answers you seek will not be found with the mind, or the process of thought. No thinking is involved, in fact to discover the truth there should be no thoughts at all, permanently.

Yes, it sounds counterintuitive, but that is the point. The mind must die, and with it all thinking. Yet the body will continue on just as before, because there is nobody there to begin with. Nobody is in control of anything, because there is no "you" nor "me."
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I started off with a few postulates that I could potentially probe and disprove as a starting ground, ones that I thought might be the actual roots/premise of the universe itself... if you will; (if there even is such a thing).

Here are the two I came up with (they seemed good to me, at least).

postulate #1 That we live in a system based only on determinism, rather than say... free-will.

postulate #2 That we live in a simulation, more precisely, that our "actual self" is not actually where our current "projected self" resides.

Immediately I began to search for any shread of prove or facts or evidence that may prove or disprove these claims, things such as:

1.1) The background radidation of the universe being random, chaos theory, quantum randomness.

How could a universe that is deterministic have any randomness at all? A variable output given a singular static starting input state? Just a vast Pseudo-random environment only appearing true-random because of a small lense of observation? (Earth solar system)


2.1) Sitting absolutely still for hours, giving the "simulation" minimal input. Repeating the exact same actions day-in and day-out for weeks while observing/expecting different results to manifest in the simulation.

The Butterfly effect, just the fact that you have to move to go eat some food to stay alive, that small action and the choice you made of what to eat, snowballs into an infinite multi-verse of potential outcomes.
The "physical laws" if you will, prevent you from remaining in the simulation without causing it to change, or would result in your exiting of it in the form of death. I find that morbidly disturbing (sort of).
Further more I noticed that others continued to act normal, regardless of how I attempted to "control" the simulation.


This leads me to conclude that:

The only way to have free-will in a closed environment with immutable laws and determistic cause/effect behaviour, would mean that would you have to actually be living in a "simulation", external to your actual self; otherwise the universe would break its own closed-system laws of non-determinism (outputs exceed inputs).

So there are two possible states (assuming my logic is correct):
1) You believe that fate is predetermined, and you are essentially a robot following your programming. (Powered by pure randomness, or some sick game that god is playing upon you.)
2) Otherwise, you have no choice but to conclude that this universe isn't actually real (at best it is a simulation). Powered by a mix of your will-power, and/or randomness, and/or god. This option seems appealing for several obvious reasons. But still seemingly hollow because you thought that a simulation would be more comforting than the real-deal.

But in either case, you have somewhere between minimal-to-zero control over what happens in this place, or more specifically... to you; simply from the factual observations of seemingly immutable laws, by choice or force of hand.

I personally find both options highly disturbing to varying degrees. Don't you agree? and so what do you believe this place is, if not either of those two?
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Our concept of time-being linear,is what throws us off.The simulation exists in totality,with all possible variations included...the farther out options still exist in the simulation that does not have hard edges,but a fuzzy bubble.

Your fate is determined in totality based on all variables and mutations to those variables already existing in some area of the simulation. All of these variations exist.Your perception of these variations is what is fluid.Where you focus your intent is what creates your local reality.
Not only does God throw dice in a dark corner,he throws fuzzy dice.

Do not be too disturbed by this level of reality.We always tend to believe that what we experience in what we think to be now is reality. If after all this is a simulation,you should not take the program too seriously.
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Can you actually examine tangible matter on a dream? Nope. Does it feel absolutely real? Yes. In fact if we had no awake reality to contrast to, a dream would feel just as real as life itself. Yet is a product of the mind.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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I started off with a few postulates that I could potentially probe and disprove as a starting ground, ones that I thought might be the actual roots/premise of the universe itself... if you will; (if there even is such a thing).

Here are the two I came up with (they seemed good to me, at least).

postulate #1 That we live in a system based only on determinism, rather than say... free-will.

postulate #2 That we live in a simulation, more precisely, that our "actual self" is not actually where our current "projected self" resides.

Immediately I began to search for any shread of prove or facts or evidence that may prove or disprove these claims, things such as:

1.1) The background radidation of the universe being random, chaos theory, quantum randomness.

How could a universe that is deterministic have any randomness at all? A variable output given a singular static starting input state? Just a vast Pseudo-random environment only appearing true-random because of a small lense of observation? (Earth solar system)


2.1) Sitting absolutely still for hours, giving the "simulation" minimal input. Repeating the exact same actions day-in and day-out for weeks while observing/expecting different results to manifest in the simulation.

The Butterfly effect, just the fact that you have to move to go eat some food to stay alive, that small action and the choice you made of what to eat, snowballs into an infinite multi-verse of potential outcomes.
The "physical laws" if you will, prevent you from remaining in the simulation without causing it to change, or would result in your exiting of it in the form of death. I find that morbidly disturbing (sort of).
Further more I noticed that others continued to act normal, regardless of how I attempted to "control" the simulation.


This leads me to conclude that:

The only way to have free-will in a closed environment with immutable laws and determistic cause/effect behaviour, would mean that would you have to actually be living in a "simulation", external to your actual self; otherwise the universe would break its own closed-system laws of non-determinism (outputs exceed inputs).

So there are two possible states (assuming my logic is correct):
1) You believe that fate is predetermined, and you are essentially a robot following your programming. (Powered by pure randomness, or some sick game that god is playing upon you.)
2) Otherwise, you have no choice but to conclude that this universe isn't actually real (at best it is a simulation). Powered by a mix of your will-power, and/or randomness, and/or god. This option seems appealing for several obvious reasons. But still seemingly hollow because you thought that a simulation would be more comforting than the real-deal.

But in either case, you have somewhere between minimal-to-zero control over what happens in this place, or more specifically... to you; simply from the factual observations of seemingly immutable laws, by choice or force of hand.

I personally find both options highly disturbing to varying degrees. Don't you agree? and so what do you believe this place is, if not either of those two?
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Let me help you understand freewill, yourself, and your projected self, in an enclosed or open environment.

I will share in hopes you understand: In the past, I was able to convince girls to charge a fee instead of giving it away for free. And then give the money willingly to me, 100% of their own accord. So yes it seems we now have both free will yet still a controlled environment. My projected self was $_The Iceman_$ which stood for I c easy money all night.

But on my free will, I called out to God to save me, and He provided an exit path. Now inside of this matrix construct of life, He showed me the path.

We are The LORD's Creation; Man, Living on Earth.. And yes, we have free will... But the free will doesnt matter, as we are Sons of God first.

In the Creation construct, the enemy is able to have dominion by weaving in and out of one's thoughts or considerations. So when you consider something, watch out for the evil one as he is there to suggest things to you, as he has dominion over this construct. But also, The LORD is in the background of your considerations too, but one hardly notices just the same as one hardly notices the evil one who weaves through.

So I hope you understand your postulates - one you can test on your own is the idea of considering crime. This consideration is a crossroad of sorts, I always use the iPhone 5 example: a kid is walking with a new iPhone and you KNOW you can ::::(zing!!). So there they are- the evil one who weaves in like a snake.. But you see, The LORD is there in the background too, and He has given you Free Will, so in that crossroad of decision, The Lord is at the cross, so to say, and because of your free will, you have a decision to consider which is to listen to the snake advice of things, or to turn from sinning and begin walking down the path which leads to The Lord.

While contemplating similar things as you, and debating the considerations, I understood it to be the devil who said So what are you going to do about it? Once I had realized our thoughts are slightly manipulated. I rebuked him in the name of God and instantly The LORD came to comfort me.

The LORD will bless you and your life, as I am a living testament to a better life then previous, just as the cornerstone, which brings tears to my eyes just considering it the concept:

Psalm 118:22-23 The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. This was the LORD'S doing; it is marvelous in our eyes.

Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; whoever believes will not act hastily.

1 Peter 2:4-10

4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”[a]
7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”[c]
8 and

“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”[d]
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.
 Quoting: the bible


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Oh I should say, there can be glimpses of the truth when the mind is fully disengaged. But one will come right back to where one was before, attached to the illusion of the "me" persona and unable to remain in that "truth" which cannot be explained in words or understood with the mind.

So in order to find true freedom, one must dissolve the mind and all thought permanently. Then there is only truth, and no more suffering, because there is no more attachment to the illusion of experience.

Am I being too cryptic here? I can try to explain more if need be.
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Religtards don't like us going to their threads and hijacking them but then they do this. another do
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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In order to understand infinity you must place it within bounds. This is how we study everything we pick it and place limitations either real or imagined then we study it.
We invented numbers to measure, in nature numbers do not exist without an observer. If we were limited in our observations to two dimensions and we were trapped inside a ball that was suspended and could freely spin in all directions, any way we went we could travel forever and not reach the end. That does not mean the ball is boundless because from a three dimensional perspective we can see its limits. From a two dimensional perspective a ball could be boundless, and from a 1 dimensional perspective a circle could be boundless.
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Can you actually examine tangible matter on a dream? Nope. Does it feel absolutely real? Yes. In fact if we had no awake reality to contrast to, a dream would feel just as real as life itself. Yet is a product of the mind.
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The "awake" life is actually no different if you were to view it from a large enough perspective. This life is also a dream; none of it is actually real.
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bible stuff...
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There is actually no free will. Choice is an illusion. All of these things are hard to comprehend without direct experience, but it can be seen.
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quantum
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chuckle
Keep flailing away in the dark, OP.
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bible stuff...
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There is actually no free will. Choice is an illusion. All of these things are hard to comprehend without direct experience, but it can be seen.
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Yes, as my example of the prostitutes who worked for me in the past.

But The LORD wants us to choose Him willingly. This too is key to understand. Again, similar to the prostitute having to choose so willingly. So it matters not, The LORD is the beginning and the end.

I wouldn't harp on it so much except The LORD paid me a visit and I posted about it here, as it was a life changing experience. He has already brought me out of the wilderness and now I need to bring people to Him, as I have been commanded to do so.. Of course it is up to me to follow the instruction right. Free will and all...

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You are GOD living in a simulation.
You did this to yourself, out of boredom.

The reason YOU-you have almost no perceptible control is because you are every other piece of the simulation as much as you are yourself.

You won't ever succeed in changing the way other organic brains perceive the simulation by changing the way your brain perceives the simulation. You can however change the simulation by changing the way other organic brains perceive it.
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bible stuff...
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There is actually no free will. Choice is an illusion. All of these things are hard to comprehend without direct experience, but it can be seen.
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Yes, as my example of the prostitutes who worked for me in the past.
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In reality, there is no "God" and he does not speak to you nor does he speak at all to begin with. If a scenario such as this takes place, it is no more real than the dream you had last night.

If there is a storyline, it is an illusion. Any and all experiences are illusions. They are just dreams, as is this conversation we are having right now. You take it to be real because you still believe yourself to be real.

The truth of the self and of reality is beyond any experience and beyond the mind. This truth is infinite, so it cannot be seen by the finite mind.
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This is a great post OP. Your reasoning is sound, and far better then many of these other earthly reasonings scientists confuse us with. This said, the factor which is just AMAZING in our life here on earth is LOVE.

The power of LOVE, the ability to LOVE and the will to LOVE is what we are all about. I truly believe that. LOVE.
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Sin is the virus in the simulation we are in. Abraham was n the desert for over 40yrs to purge sin from the generations he had in order to begot Jesus, who was sin free.

We must watch for that snake when making our considerations, during our moment to moment or daily decisions.
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The apparent differenxe between free will and determinism is a false dichotomy. They are the same thing, viewed from two different perspectives.

As for the simulation idea, I think you are correct. My working hypothesis is that our selves as we experience them in daily life are 3-d projections of 4-d objects and the 4-d objects are our "real" selves, as we discover after death or sometimes in life through various ways.
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The apparent differenxe between free will and determinism is a false dichotomy. They are the same thing, viewed from two different perspectives.

As for the simulation idea, I think you are correct. My working hypothesis is that our selves as we experience them in daily life are 3-d projections of 4-d objects and the 4-d objects are our "real" selves, as we discover after death or sometimes in life through various ways.
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So what do you think these 4d objects are and where do they exist?
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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mind = blown


keep em coming
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Trying to break the universe is like trying to throw your arm away.

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