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A Nation of Takers Hurtles Toward the Fiscal Abyss

 
davvi
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A Nation of Takers Hurtles Toward the Fiscal Abyss
please read this column, more than anything it shows how our politicians use our own tax dollars to keep themselves in office, how their liberal use of our tax dollars are changing us into western europeans and the welfare state is changing our character.

when i watch the news all i can think is groundhog day and that we have seen these very same "negotiations" and fiscal battles over and over again. our country just keeps getting worse and the same people who brought us to this point keep getting elected?


A Nation of Takers Hurtles Toward the Fiscal Abyss

"The on-going negotiations over avoiding the tax hikes and spending cuts we call the “fiscal cliff” are the simply the latest act in a farce of self-serving political denial. For decades now both parties have overseen and nurtured the expansion of the entitlement state all the while ignoring the slow-motion economic implosion whose predictable end can be seen today in a bankrupt Greece currently surviving on EU handouts. But American voters and politicians are so marinated in expectations of endless federal and state largess that modest reductions in spending, such as those proposed earlier this year by Congressman Paul Ryan, are attacked as draconian “cuts” that will “shred” the safety net and throw millions into Dickensian penury.

And make no mistake. The “cliff” might not be reached in January, even without a deal. But it’s still waiting down the road. Baby Boomers, 75 million strong, are retiring at a rate of 200,000 a month, and they can expect to live on average until 84 if they make it to the retirement age of 65. The two big drivers of entitlement spending, Social Security and Medicare, weren’t designed to transfer money to retirees for so long, or pay for artificial knees and hips for Boomers who want to be active in their 70s and 80s. If left unreformed, spending just on Social Security and Medicare will eat up 14% of GDP in 40 years, necessitating even more federal borrowing than the 40 cents currently borrowed for every dollar the feds spend. That’s not a cliff, that’s an economic abyss.

Reining in entitlement spending, then, is the major problem that everybody needs to focus on. And a good place to start is Nicholas Eberstadt’s A Nation of Takers. Eberstadt’s grim documentation of the reckless expansion of what he calls the “vast and colossal empire of entitlement payments that it [the state] protects, manages, and finances,” and his analysis of the ill effects such transfers have had on the American character should be read by everyone serious about the fiscal threats to our way of life."

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You do understand that the tax cuts for the very wealthy are also an entitlement? For myself, I want the defense cuts to match dollar for dollar whatever else is cut. Just me 2 cents worth. I don't intend to retire at 65, or have a hip replacement, but, I've not yet figured out a way to die exactly 6 months after I do retire, any suggestions?
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You do understand that the tax cuts for the very wealthy are also an entitlement? For myself, I want the defense cuts to match dollar for dollar whatever else is cut. Just me 2 cents worth. I don't intend to retire at 65, or have a hip replacement, but, I've not yet figured out a way to die exactly 6 months after I do retire, any suggestions?
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please stop with the leftist dribble "tax cuts for the rich," it is meaningless. the problem is NOT being taxed too little it IS that the government SPENDS too much.

politicians have successfully sold the classwarefare notion and apparently you have swallowed that line. now that you are on board they can mold and shape you to do their bidding and blame the rich. congratulations.

the problem is washington and career politicians who have an entire herd oif useful idiots voting for them.

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What you posted is merely histrionic diatribe. That's why I couldn't get past the first paragraph.

Do we have a problem? Yes. Do changes need to be made? Yes.

But ending UE benefits for 2 million+ hardworking, taxpaying Americans WOULD be removing their safety net.

Instead, why is nobody proposing ENDING the programs that feed, educate, transport, medically treat, house, and clothe all the TURD WORLDERS that are being imported into this country on a MASSIVE scale? Nobody is touching that one with a 25-ft. pole, and it is WRONG!
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OP...he doesn't care.
He is trying to RESET the USA.....and the drones put him back in office.
It's baked in now.....too late.

There will be an economic depressionary collapse before he is out of office....so stop whining about it now and start covering your ass to deal with the impending sh*tstorm.


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What you posted is merely histrionic diatribe. That's why I couldn't get past the first paragraph.

Do we have a problem? Yes. Do changes need to be made? Yes.

But ending UE benefits for 2 million+ hardworking, taxpaying Americans WOULD be removing their safety net.

Instead, why is nobody proposing ENDING the programs that feed, educate, transport, medically treat, house, and clothe all the TURD WORLDERS that are being imported into this country on a MASSIVE scale? Nobody is touching that one with a 25-ft. pole, and it is WRONG!
 Quoting: Hahahaha 28872856


i agree, but there is NO WILL in washington to examine anything which will force them to make tough decisions. if a dollars bring votes you can bet no elected official is going to end the program.

i am not hysterical, not is this article. the news contained within is a cold hard slap of reality.
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 Quoting: davvi


OP...he doesn't care.
He is trying to RESET the USA.....and the drones put him back in office.
It's baked in now.....too late.

There will be an economic depressionary collapse before he is out of office....so stop whining about it now and start covering your ass to deal with the impending sh*tstorm.


hopechg
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no he doesn't care this is, and has always been his goal.
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It is only really red states which are taker states.

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Logan's run will become universal law. 5a5a5a
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Devvi Kidd?

Anyway, when this monster no longer is a government by the people for the people. Well, things don't look good for the aristicats inside the beltway.
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 Quoting: davvi


OP...he doesn't care.
He is trying to RESET the USA.....and the drones put him back in office.
It's baked in now.....too late.

There will be an economic depressionary collapse before he is out of office....so stop whining about it now and start covering your ass to deal with the impending sh*tstorm.


hopechg
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


no he doesn't care this is, and has always been his goal.
 Quoting: davvi


That true. It has been his goal from the beginning, but the ONLY way the sheep, drones and lemmings will wake up is if they experience the economic pain first hand.

Let it go.
...and when it does there will be only ONE DIRECTION to point the blame. Even the USEFUL IDIOTS will get it then.

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Devvi Kidd?

Anyway, when this monster no longer is a government by the people for the people. Well, things don't look good for the aristicats inside the beltway.
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i think that everyone should be forced to take a trip inside the beltway and see the opulent lifestyle and heavy concentrated of wealth contained within...it might open a few eyes.
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It is only really red states which are taker states.

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bull excrement.
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Devvi Kidd?

Anyway, when this monster no longer is a government by the people for the people. Well, things don't look good for the aristicats inside the beltway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29540087


i think that everyone should be forced to take a trip inside the beltway and see the opulent lifestyle and heavy concentrated of wealth contained within...it might open a few eyes.
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If you are that dynamite red head, thanks for all your informative articles. I love this land, but not the FED; the outlaw Josey Wales always comes to mind. But that is why I did not join the Seals. There is no dirt that I am willing to offer my life for, and all these proxy wars for natural resources are getting real old fast. There will be a point where the rest of the world truly hates America for what she has done under the guise of Democracy. No different than the edge of the sword of Islam.twirl
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food price about 10 % of income not 50 % +

gas price ? cheap compared to other countries

minimum wage about 20 to 40 times that of world average and thats before any goverment assistance

very few if any of you alleged provider fucks would not have amounted to jack shit in the real world , where there is no military , intelligence agencies or 10000 nukes to hide behind . too make the rest of the world go without common american luxuries , like living indoors and eating every day. fossil fuels of all kinds providing transport , electricity , running water .

if you can do better elsewhere than renounce your citizenship and get the fuck out , you narcissistic shittards.
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food price about 10 % of income not 50 % +

gas price ? cheap compared to other countries

minimum wage about 20 to 40 times that of world average and thats before any goverment assistance

very few if any of you alleged provider fucks would not have amounted to jack shit in the real world , where there is no military , intelligence agencies or 10000 nukes to hide behind . too make the rest of the world go without common american luxuries , like living indoors and eating every day. fossil fuels of all kinds providing transport , electricity , running water .

if you can do better elsewhere than renounce your citizenship and get the fuck out , you narcissistic shittards.
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Wait until they start RFID chipping people mandatory like. Or maybe we were called to "Come out of her my people".
Peace through Nuclear proliferation! Yeah baby!
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Devvi Kidd?

Anyway, when this monster no longer is a government by the people for the people. Well, things don't look good for the aristicats inside the beltway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29540087


i think that everyone should be forced to take a trip inside the beltway and see the opulent lifestyle and heavy concentrated of wealth contained within...it might open a few eyes.
 Quoting: davvi


If you are that dynamite red head, thanks for all your informative articles. I love this land, but not the FED; the outlaw Josey Wales always comes to mind. But that is why I did not join the Seals. There is no dirt that I am willing to offer my life for, and all these proxy wars for natural resources are getting real old fast. There will be a point where the rest of the world truly hates America for what she has done under the guise of Democracy. No different than the edge of the sword of Islam.twirl
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not a redhead, a brunette. my friend, do you really think these "wars" are to gain natural resources? then why are we paying enormous prices for everything? do you know who is pulling resouces out of afghanistan? china, our blood our materials and they get the profit. a fair exchange for the money they lend us?

my theory is that the never ending wars, the policing the world, the interferring everywhere, the rebuilding of what we destroy, all of that is making fortunes for many people inside the beltway.

the military must be fed house and outfitted with equipment and someone must make that. rebuilding requires materials and someone is making a fortune providing those materials.

we are in a perpetual state of war and there are those who find war very profitable. my heart bleeds for the families of those men and women whose lives have been sacrificed to make other rich.

we are the world's joke, projecting strength and wealth WE DON'T have and pretending to be what we are not.
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Quick; someone hit the gas!!
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Devvi Kidd?

Anyway, when this monster no longer is a government by the people for the people. Well, things don't look good for the aristicats inside the beltway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29540087


i think that everyone should be forced to take a trip inside the beltway and see the opulent lifestyle and heavy concentrated of wealth contained within...it might open a few eyes.
 Quoting: davvi


If you are that dynamite red head, thanks for all your informative articles. I love this land, but not the FED; the outlaw Josey Wales always comes to mind. But that is why I did not join the Seals. There is no dirt that I am willing to offer my life for, and all these proxy wars for natural resources are getting real old fast. There will be a point where the rest of the world truly hates America for what she has done under the guise of Democracy. No different than the edge of the sword of Islam.twirl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29540087


not a redhead, a brunette. my friend, do you really think these "wars" are to gain natural resources? then why are we paying enormous prices for everything? do you know who is pulling resouces out of afghanistan? china, our blood our materials and they get the profit. a fair exchange for the money they lend us?

my theory is that the never ending wars, the policing the world, the interferring everywhere, the rebuilding of what we destroy, all of that is making fortunes for many people inside the beltway.

the military must be fed house and outfitted with equipment and someone must make that. rebuilding requires materials and someone is making a fortune providing those materials.

we are in a perpetual state of war and there are those who find war very profitable. my heart bleeds for the families of those men and women whose lives have been sacrificed to make other rich.

we are the world's joke, projecting strength and wealth WE DON'T have and pretending to be what we are not.
 Quoting: davvi


Thank God a real person. OK, let me addresses these one by one. To gain natural resources: Yes, reference the opium triangle, Sweet Libyan Crude used to benchmark the worlds oil prices. The press is on, those that endure to the end shall be saved. He has chosen me in the furnace of affliction, some will be taken out of the way before. The evil play book the learned elders of Zion. Blame the Jews for everything, check. Never ending wars, ie... War on Drugs, War on Terror; you can not have a war on an improper noun.

It is clear as day the Bengazi attack was a terrorist act and yet the Muslim Brotherhood has been removed from the list. Wonder whY?

Yep they will have major problems keeping the illusion alive much longer. Hope they built them DUMBS deep enough.
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It is only really red states which are taker states.

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Just stating 'Fact', does not make it so.

For instance; Texas, a decidedly red state, gets back $0.94 in federal programs for every $1.00 it sends to the Federal Government.

Google is your friend.

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It is only really red states which are taker states.

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Just stating 'Fact', does not make it so.

For instance; Texas, a decidedly red state, gets back $0.94 in federal programs for every $1.00 it sends to the Federal Government.

Google is your friend.

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mitt romney ran for president saying that he would put americans back to work. lol, in an economy as bad as this one, the prospect of a good job would have thrilled real americans.

sadly, that america doesn't exist anymore. put americans to work???? at least 51% of americans said WORK? NO THANKS!!

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