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documentary "Black Whole"
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the light you are seeing is no longer there, but time is stretched differently near a bh so it distorts what you see

read some hawking
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Hubble "images" are paintbrushed, colorized
and enhanced, move along kids...
just more pablum for the trekkies.

Try listening to Jim McCanney instead.
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the light you are seeing is no longer there, but time is stretched differently near a bh so it distorts what you see

read some hawking
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A theory without any mathematical or scientific proof.
 Quoting: Defj@m


Which theory, exactly, are you claiming has no proof?

Hawking has made some without much math behind them, but many more he has proven with maths. Also some of them are verifiable. That light can be distorted by gravity has been proven by observational measurements.
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Re: Stunning pic of a ginormous black hole spewing out vast beams of matter and energy-- Mind-blowing
If we do and think the opposite of everything mainstream media and science tell us, then "black holes" are a sort of entry point of creation or at least have something to do with how things in the universe are created - not destroyed.
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If we do and think the opposite of everything mainstream media and science tell us, then "black holes" are a sort of entry point of creation or at least have something to do with how things in the universe are created - not destroyed.
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Yea, because not once has the mainstream used that thought.
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Strange shit we just can't fathom with our tiny limited minds.
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are you sure? there was a pretty detailed description in the link....
 Quoting: SmuRidley


Yeah but do you really know exactly what a black hole does? or where it comes from? What actual function is has? We've come a long way in examining such phenomena but we don't really know what this universe is all about, we could be in a cell floating in some unknown being's body for all we know.
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ummmm....
Blacks holes are just celestial bodies that suck in stuff with it's immense gravity, just like earth is trying to "pull" us into it's center of mass.
Black holes form when a large star (larger than ours) dies, however it is incapable of keeping itself stable while it burns out, it implodes and the core becomes crushed, thus increasing it density. When it reaches this point, there is no going back. The core of the star begins to fall into itself, become ever more dense thus increasing the rate of compression and thus increasing the density.
At one point, all the mass of the star's core is focused into a small point a fraction of the size it used to be.
The gravity has become so powerful, there is nothing in the universe we know that can escape it's grip once it passes the "event horizon" aka "point of no return" (excluding the radiation the black hole gives off).

As for it's function, it has none. It just eats. First it begins eating rocks and planets, it soon steps up and begins eating entire stars. Soon it can become so massive, it could become the core of an entire galaxy, in which the black hole's gravity keeps the galaxy from falling apart.
Black holes of this magnitude are called super-massive black holes.
These black holes aren't described in lbs, ounces, tons, giga tons, nothing like that.
No.... these monsters are described in stellar masses. AKA: How many stars it has eaten. Some of these monstrosities have eaten BILLIONS of stars.


We know a lot about black holes to be honest.....
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If we do and think the opposite of everything mainstream media and science tell us, then "black holes" are a sort of entry point of creation or at least have something to do with how things in the universe are created - not destroyed.
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Yea, because not once has the mainstream used that thought.
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They've boxed themselves in. The lies are so extensive and intertwined that they have to keep lying to cover their asses from all the other lies.
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Re: Stunning pic of a ginormous black hole spewing out vast beams of matter and energy-- Mind-blowing
With this picture, people should begin understanding that things CAN escape a black hole.

There are many theories of black holes that are just simply WRONG, yet they continue to spew these falsities. It is not only about gravity, but vastly more important are the magnetic fields.

Beautiful picture OP.
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We've known about radiation being eminated from black hoels for a long time, this radiation is called "hawking radiation", named after the all-so well known physicst Stephen Hawking.
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Quasars are beautiful are they not?
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Holy shit, I just read over the thread...I didn't know so many people didn't believe in black holes.
This isn't santa kids, black holes have been proven to exist through indirect observation, mathematical proofs, and predictive calculations. Just like we predicted that black holes emitted radiation, JUST like the radiation you are looking at in that picture. We knew that would happen BEFORE we saw it, because the math's told us they would.
This isn't proof against blackholes.... this is evidence for them >.>
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With this picture, people should begin understanding that things CAN escape a black hole.

There are many theories of black holes that are just simply WRONG, yet they continue to spew these falsities. It is not only about gravity, but vastly more important are the magnetic fields.

Beautiful picture OP.
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We've known about radiation being emanated from black holes for a long time, this radiation is called "hawking radiation", named after the all-so well known physicist Stephen Hawking.
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This is not hawking radiation. It's being emitted by the acreition disk that is around the black hole.

Hawking radiation is a very very small amount of radiation a black hole gives off over time, which eventually (Over trillions of years) reduces it's size until it's gone.
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Re: Stunning pic of a ginormous black hole spewing out vast beams of matter and energy-- Mind-blowing
"Its mega maid shes gone from suck to blow"
If we imagine that the universe runs in cycles like everything else we can assume that as all of the black holes combine their mass becomes too great for gravity to contain at this point the super mass would have no choice but to explode. Similar to putting radioactive materials together beyond critical mass to the point that the potential energy becomes so great it is released in an explosion.
One big bang after another like a giant perpetual energy machine breaking all rules of physics because the rules of physics do not exist without it.
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the universe is so gigantic and just fucking crazy
makes me cry sometimes, this entire existence is just incredible
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one day we will all be black holes
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We are all borne with one dude....s226
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Except..... there's no real proof that black holes actually exist. At best, the image is unexplained phenomena. They have to fudge the numbers to make black holes fit into physics by basically adding a magical number from thin air.

Maybe in 10 or 20 years we'll look back on the black hole theory and chuckle about how wrong we got it.

Still a very cool phenomena to think about though, don't get me wrong!
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Yerright, an unproven theory. But hey, don't let me spoil the oohs and aahs.
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the light you are seeing is no longer there, but time is stretched differently near a bh so it distorts what you see

read some hawking
 Quoting: eljefeUTEXAS


A theory without any mathematical or scientific proof.
 Quoting: Defj@m


Which theory, exactly, are you claiming has no proof?

Hawking has made some without much math behind them, but many more he has proven with maths. Also some of them are verifiable. That light can be distorted by gravity has been proven by observational measurements.
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Black holes! The subject this thread is about.

They have no proof to even exist. The mathematics don't work for them. Magical numbers are added to theory in order to make it work. Any scietist that talks of black holes reffers back to the same source of the mathematical error without actually explaining it.

It's true that light is distorted by gravity yes, but the theory about black holes is severily flawed.
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Holy shit, I just read over the thread...I didn't know so many people didn't believe in black holes.
This isn't santa kids, black holes have been proven to exist through indirect observation, mathematical proofs, and predictive calculations. Just like we predicted that black holes emitted radiation, JUST like the radiation you are looking at in that picture. We knew that would happen BEFORE we saw it, because the math's told us they would.
This isn't proof against blackholes.... this is evidence for them >.>
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I think you'll find that this is simply not true! Scientists assume they exist, but thus far, it's totally unprovable.
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Re: Stunning pic of a ginormous black hole spewing out vast beams of matter and energy-- Mind-blowing
Holy shit, I just read over the thread...I didn't know so many people didn't believe in black holes.
This isn't santa kids, black holes have been proven to exist through indirect observation, mathematical proofs, and predictive calculations. Just like we predicted that black holes emitted radiation, JUST like the radiation you are looking at in that picture. We knew that would happen BEFORE we saw it, because the math's told us they would.
This isn't proof against blackholes.... this is evidence for them >.>
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I think you'll find that this is simply not true! Scientists assume they exist, but thus far, it's totally unprovable.
 Quoting: Defj@m


and here's a fun explaination of it:


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Re: Stunning pic of a ginormous black hole spewing out vast beams of matter and energy-- Mind-blowing
the light you are seeing is no longer there, but time is stretched differently near a bh so it distorts what you see

read some hawking
 Quoting: eljefeUTEXAS


A theory without any mathematical or scientific proof.
 Quoting: Defj@m


Which theory, exactly, are you claiming has no proof?

Hawking has made some without much math behind them, but many more he has proven with maths. Also some of them are verifiable. That light can be distorted by gravity has been proven by observational measurements.
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Black holes! The subject this thread is about.

They have no proof to even exist. The mathematics don't work for them. Magical numbers are added to theory in order to make it work. Any scietist that talks of black holes reffers back to the same source of the mathematical error without actually explaining it.

It's true that light is distorted by gravity yes, but the theory about black holes is severily flawed.
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There is no "Theory of black holes." IF you're referring to General relativity and it's solution that includes black holes existing, then again, there's plenty of evidence. General relativity is a quite solid theory.

I got about 2 minitues into the youtube video you linked before the annoying voices and bad Photoshop effects annoyed me to turning it off. The short of it is, he's wrong though. General relativity can violate special relativity, because general relativity covers a broader subject then special relativity. It does several times.
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Black holes are very very powerful.
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A theory without any mathematical or scientific proof.
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Which theory, exactly, are you claiming has no proof?

Hawking has made some without much math behind them, but many more he has proven with maths. Also some of them are verifiable. That light can be distorted by gravity has been proven by observational measurements.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9266723


Black holes! The subject this thread is about.

They have no proof to even exist. The mathematics don't work for them. Magical numbers are added to theory in order to make it work. Any scietist that talks of black holes reffers back to the same source of the mathematical error without actually explaining it.

It's true that light is distorted by gravity yes, but the theory about black holes is severily flawed.
 Quoting: Defj@m


There is no "Theory of black holes." IF you're referring to General relativity and it's solution that includes black holes existing, then again, there's plenty of evidence. General relativity is a quite solid theory.

I got about 2 minitues into the youtube video you linked before the annoying voices and bad Photoshop effects annoyed me to turning it off. The short of it is, he's wrong though. General relativity can violate special relativity, because general relativity covers a broader subject then special relativity. It does several times.
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You should really try and watch it all. The maths are in the last few minutes that explain it properly. But hey, life is all about the freedom to agree or disagree. I was a solid beleiver in black holes until about a year ago when I started reading counter points to them. Someone linked the video in a thread on here a few weeks back. The voices are a tad annoying, tis true! :)
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I find it amazing that the gas and material being ejected although billions of miles wide, behaves and flows just the same as in small spaces observed on Earth!
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And to think, between earth and 2 Billion lights years away we are the only intelligent beings. All the universe created just for us.
 Quoting: HangDawg


WTF told you that?

you don't really believe that, do you?

cruise
 Quoting: thetrickybigguy


Im sure it was sarcasm.

But what the hell I agree.

Seeing as Im in the holiday spirit I will put it you this way. ..

Lets say we have a large christmas tree .. oh about the size of a National friggin Forest. Then lets try to lively it up a bit. Oh I dunno .. how about a single decoration about the size of a Cherry. Decoration time over ! Oh and by the way lets put that single decoration on an average tree. Not even the largest or oldest one..nor the greenest one...just your basic run of the mill tree somewhere in the forest.

Mmm K.

Now lets look at this from a few angles here ..

Get an outsider that has no clue about what is actually In the forest. Put him facing towards our little cherry Decoration. Then turn him around and show him how big the forest actually is. Ask the guy .. "hey..think there are any more any more cherry sized decorations out there ?". He would probably say one of a few things. 1.Yea probably seeing how large the forest is. 2.Nope this one has to be the one and only one in the forest. 3.What the fuck is a decoration ?.

Ok.. Now lets say you take that same guy ( never been to the forest ) and put him in some random location. Now ask him "hey buddy .. think there are any decorations out in the forest? Take your time man.. look around for a bit I'll be back later for your answer". He looks around for about 1 billion years and sees NO decorations. So you come back and say "Well..whats your answer ?" Again his answer could follow a few different paths.. 1.Doubt it .. havent seen nothing yet. 2.I dunno .. could only check 5 trees limb by limb. 4.What the fuck is a decoration?.

My point being is that statically speaking there should be No life in the universe Whatsoever compared to Vast amount of life if there ever was ONE form of life.

Oh and I forgot .. the guy looking for that one decoration had to be looking in a forest that was locked in a single second of time. ( cant be having new trees and shit growing after he looked there .. not really fair to him ).

Now practically speaking I know it would be physically difficult to traverse large areas of space ( galaxy to galaxy ) to meet new forms of thinking life forms. But its not very logical to say Life does not exist anywhere else in the universe.

I think some of you dont really understand how large the Cosmos is.

As far as Why a black hole ( massive or not ) can expel matter and energy. I think its due to its size Vs. intake of matter/energy.

If gravity pulls in too much energy at one time .. well then it would have nothing to do with the black hole. It would have to do with micro novas being created.

The Black Hole would not actually capture the energy just yet .. just draw it in closer and closer till the point that massive amounts of matter collapsed on its own if large enough and thrusts outward on its own path of least resistance.

Think about it.
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I fucking love outer space.


All those planets and stars and shit.
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And to think, between earth and 2 Billion lights years away we are the only intelligent beings. All the universe created just for us.
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WTF told you that?

you don't really believe that, do you?

cruise
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3.What the fuck is a decoration ?.

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Thats probably the awnser Humans give you atm.
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I love the word "ginormous"...dunno...it's just one of those words.
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I love the word "ginormous"...dunno...it's just one of those words.
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And it also goes well with fuckin' in front of it;

It's fuckin' Ginormous!
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There's a hell of a universe out there.
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damn yes.

hence why i laugh and shake my head when humans here on earth speak of things being 100% as is, ie:religion and others.

as i see it now, here on earth, math is perfect. death and taxes are 100% certain.

and perhaps the universe is infinite.
according to many