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Power grab??? USDA Wants to Expand Protection for American Indian ‘Sacred Places’ on Public Lands

 
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(CNSNews.com) – Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack on Dec. 6 released a report that urges the U.S. Forest Service to work more closely with tribal governments in protecting, respectfully interpreting, and giving appropriate access to sites that are sacred to American Indians and Alaskan Natives.

"American Indian and Alaska Native values and culture have made our nation rich in spirit and deserve to be honored and respected," Vilsack said. "By honoring and protecting sacred sites on national forests and grasslands, we foster improved tribal relationships and a better understanding of native people's deep reverence for natural resources and contributions to society."

The report provides Vilsack with information about how U.S. Forest Service is currently protecting American Indian and Alaska Native (AI/AN) sacred sites on federal lands and how USDA and the Forest Service might improve the way those sacred sites are protected.

Among the recommendations is for U.S. Forest Service employees to receive training about tribal history, law, and cultural sensitivities.

The report also recommends expanding the definition of “sacred sites,” which now is limited by executive order to “specific, discrete, narrowly delineated locations” of “religious significance.”

More at [link to cnsnews.com]
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So if it were to be your cow pasture that somebody says is a sacred site you'd be SOL and eminent domained?

Or is it limited to public land? They could close down Yellowstone or the Sequoia Ntl Forest if it came to that?

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So if it were to be your cow pasture that somebody says is a sacred site you'd be SOL and eminent domained?

Or is it limited to public land? They could close down Yellowstone or the Sequoia Ntl Forest if it came to that?
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That's the question, it says right now it only pertains to public lands BUT...I have to wonder if this would somehow make eminent domain easier? I haven't looked at the actual details yet...
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IF this is not a contradiction, i dont know what is:

[u"]These voices instruct us’

The report notes that the Forest Service has “fiduciary obligations” to tribes, even though “we know so little about AI/AN (American Indian/Alaskan Native) sacred sites as an agency.”

“It is through the voices of the AI/AN people that we are learning about and affirming the real importance of sacred sites; these voices instruct us."

The reporting team says it heard many concerns from the tribes about the Forest Service’s authorization of recreational activities, including rock climbing, interpretation, outfitting and guiding, and off-highway vehicle use.

“Specifically, we heard numerous concerns with the Forest Service’s decision to allow the use of reclaimed wastewater for creating artificial snow at the Arizona Snowbowl Ski Area in the San Francisco Peaks from many who strongly urged the agency to reverse this decision.”

Native Americans consider the Peaks to be sacred ground, and they say the use of treated sewage to make snow is a desecration. So far, the federal courts have ruled against them.

The Forest Service owns the land where the resort is located."


They have NEVER done anything to the America Indians but desecrate, kill and do anything they can to get rid of them and their own freaking article shows they lies they still spew when we can see its all about more land grabbing.......their demise awaits them. They will reap what they have sown.....payback is a bitch!
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In my religion, 1400 Pennsylvania Ave is a sacred religious sight. Therefore, the occupants of that property should be forced to relocate. byekitty
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From USDA's site -



The report is a culmination of more than 100 meetings with tribal members and agency employee surveys. Among the recommendations is for Forest Service employees to receive training about tribal history, law and cultural sensitivities.

Recommendations include:

Confer with traditional practitioners and communities with knowledge and interests in sacred sites and resource protection.
Update agency policy to ensure consultation on sacred sites is conducted pursuant to existing law.
Develop a joint tribal-agency partnership guide.
Provide tribes consistent advance notice of nationwide consultation opportunities.
Use provisions of the agency's new planning rule to ensure protection of sacred sites is considered in forest and grassland management.
Promote cooperative law enforcement agreements with tribal police and conservation departments to enforce cultural laws such as the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act.

The mission of the Forest Service is to sustain the health, diversity, and productivity of the nation's forests and grasslands to meet the needs of present and future generations. The agency manages 193 million acres of public land, provides assistance to state and private landowners, and maintains the largest forestry research organization in the world. Forest Service lands contribute more than $13 billion to the economy each year through visitor spending alone.

Those same lands provide 20 percent of the nation's clean water supply, a value estimated at $27 billion per year.

[link to www.usda.gov]



Here's a PDF link of the actual report, I haven't looked at it yet -

[link to www.fs.fed.us]
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Here's a PDF link of the actual report, I haven't looked at it yet -

[link to www.fs.fed.us]
 Quoting: Laura Bow


From link, this smells like Agenda 21....



That statement is core to the American people and to the Forest Service. While most Americans live in urban areas, we are also dependent upon rural lands, particularly forest lands, for clean water and a healthy climate. To AI/AN people, “special places” are often sources of cultural, spiritual, sacrosanct connections to the land. For these reasons, conserving forests and grasslands is not a luxury; it is a necessity. Yet America's forests today are threatened like never before. Climate change, catastrophic fires, diseases and pests, and the transformation of working forest lands to increasingly fragmented private parcels have all led to declining ecosystem health. All of these changes have enormous impacts on ecosystems and local economies.18 As the health, integrity, and connectedness of forests are threatened, so too are AI/AN sacred sites.
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agenda 21

google ted turners lnd holdings...the most in the world?




look, he owns most of our country and luvs agenda 21
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Maybe this is good, the Tuscarora tribe will be able to stop ECU from destroying their mass grave sites.
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From USDA's site -



The report is a culmination of more than 100 meetings with tribal members and agency employee surveys. Among the recommendations is for Forest Service employees to receive training about tribal history, law and cultural sensitivities.

Recommendations include:

Confer with traditional practitioners and communities with knowledge and interests in sacred sites and resource protection.
Update agency policy to ensure consultation on sacred sites is conducted pursuant to existing law.
Develop a joint tribal-agency partnership guide.
Provide tribes consistent advance notice of nationwide consultation opportunities.
Use provisions of the agency's new planning rule to ensure protection of sacred sites is considered in forest and grassland management.
Promote cooperative law enforcement agreements with tribal police and conservation departments to enforce cultural laws such as the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act.

The mission of the Forest Service is to sustain the health, diversity, and productivity of the nation's forests and grasslands to meet the needs of present and future generations. The agency manages 193 million acres of public land, provides assistance to state and private landowners, and maintains the largest forestry research organization in the world. Forest Service lands contribute more than $13 billion to the economy each year through visitor spending alone.

Those same lands provide 20 percent of the nation's clean water supply, a value estimated at $27 billion per year.

[link to www.usda.gov]



Here's a PDF link of the actual report, I haven't looked at it yet -

[link to www.fs.fed.us]
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Laura -

Thank you for finding this. I believe there is a lot of deep thinking involved in this on both sides of the issue and, contrary to some people's understanding (which is questionable), our Ways of Life (which some call religion) have had challenges and opposition from early on but are actually very realistic. It has been said that our Way of Life is tantamount to common sense, which is admittedly lacking in today's world. I don't personally know what this will entail for my people and thus have little to add except for some small bit of understanding of our ways.

We see the natural world as our Mother and take any misguided activity as a personal affront. Recreation and the use and abuse of the land in the name of fun has always been thought of as wrong and intrusive, but for the most part we just watch and guard the land as best we can. It is a part of our beliefs that when you disagree with what is happening you just don't go - you don't show up. This has been taken for disinterest quite often, but in fact is the opposite. We just sit and watch the folly, leaving it in the hands of the Spirits to take the appropriate adtions.

As pertains to sacred sites we do tend to take an active interest and have learned the lessons of law. There, in the courts, many issues have come to the fore that have lain dormant for centuries. The traditions of our people dictate that we operate in as peaceful a manner as possible in the identifying and returning these sites to a sacred designation and we have been adamant and long-suffering in treating with them. So is it true of other things that have been taken from us, our languages for example, and we have slowly gotten back much that was thought to be lost. The undermining of our Way of Life has been extensive and thoughtless, inconsiderate of what it means for the earth, for that is our main thinking. We are at the bottom of the list of dependency. The Earth, which we believe to have life, depends upon noone to exist. It doesn't need us. The plant people need the earth, but nothing more to thrive. The animal people need the earth and the plants to survive, but people need all of these things. We should be considerate of the natural world, our Mother, and all that she provides with abundance, free to all who need. Those sacred sites all the more so.

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Hegelian Dialective


Problem
Reaction
Solution


They create the problem, provide lousy choices, people, ignorant, seeking "change" believes them


Incredible as it seems, the Natives are not fooled



Cherokee Chief doesn't believe them either as they have not honored even ONE treaty made with Natives


Genocide is familiar to the Natives

I understand the overreaching and the lies


They have never honored one treaty...so only the brain damaged are going to fall for this
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Hegelian Dialective


Problem
Reaction
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They create the problem, provide lousy choices, people, ignorant, seeking "change" believes them


Incredible as it seems, the Natives are not fooled



Cherokee Chief doesn't believe them either as they have not honored even ONE treaty made with Natives


Genocide is familiar to the Natives

I understand the overreaching and the lies


They have never honored one treaty...so only the brain damaged are going to fall for this
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I've never heard the term and appreciate the mention. I'll look it up.

I do understand the concept and, yes, we have seen it as an insidious part of the government's interaction with us. Thank you for bringing this up.
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So if it were to be your cow pasture that somebody says is a sacred site you'd be SOL and eminent domained?

Or is it limited to public land? They could close down Yellowstone or the Sequoia Ntl Forest if it came to that?
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How do you feel about keystone pipeline just curious
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Thank you OP!
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Since When???























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Interesting, I know someone I want to share this with, thanks for posting.
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So if it were to be your cow pasture that somebody says is a sacred site you'd be SOL and eminent domained?

Or is it limited to public land? They could close down Yellowstone or the Sequoia Ntl Forest if it came to that?
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Well, it was never your cow pasture in the first place.

Why American whites get so offended when native Americans get more rights and recognition is something I will never understand. You do realize you have committed the worst genocide on earth against these people, and that whatever land you believe is yours you simply stole from them, don't you?
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So if it were to be your cow pasture that somebody says is a sacred site you'd be SOL and eminent domained?

Or is it limited to public land? They could close down Yellowstone or the Sequoia Ntl Forest if it came to that?
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Well, it was never your cow pasture in the first place.

Why American whites get so offended when native Americans get more rights and recognition is something I will never understand. You do realize you have committed the worst genocide on earth against these people, and that whatever land you believe is yours you simply stole from them, don't you?
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I can only imagine what your opinion of Europe is...ironically, you're also British.

Last Edited by Sneetch on 12/11/2012 10:19 AM
We were meant to live for so much more, have we lost ourselves?
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Tom Ballsack is all about Agenda 21...
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In my religion, 1400 Pennsylvania Ave is a sacred religious sight. Therefore, the occupants of that property should be forced to relocate. byekitty
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1400 Pennsylvania ave is a condo

[link to www.zillow.com]

1600 Pennsylvania is the Whitehouse.
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cruise

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There is no such thing as an "American Indian."

Clovis Man shows Whites were here long before people of color showed up causing crime. They all need to get out of our country and walk back to Asia.
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Mission creep?
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So if it were to be your cow pasture that somebody says is a sacred site you'd be SOL and eminent domained?

Or is it limited to public land? They could close down Yellowstone or the Sequoia Ntl Forest if it came to that?
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Well, it was never your cow pasture in the first place.

Why American whites get so offended when native Americans get more rights and recognition is something I will never understand. You do realize you have committed the worst genocide on earth against these people, and that whatever land you believe is yours you simply stole from them, don't you?
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I get tired of hearing this. Allow me to be NON POLITICALLY CORRECT in saying that, all land on this earth, was over powered and taken by a civilization before it. So yes, settlers took from Indians, but Indians took from prior civilizations, and so on and so on.....

This is that way everywhere.... Including your country.
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That's awesome!

People getting their land back, slowly but definitely surly :).
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Giving the naives rights to their sacred sites is way overdue. Powergrab? Nah. My friends are native americna, many have long awaied this very imporant step. I'm glad to see thi shappen for them, I know how difficult this issue has been for many tribes.
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So if it were to be your cow pasture that somebody says is a sacred site you'd be SOL and eminent domained?

Or is it limited to public land? They could close down Yellowstone or the Sequoia Ntl Forest if it came to that?
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Well, it was never your cow pasture in the first place.

Why American whites get so offended when native Americans get more rights and recognition is something I will never understand. You do realize you have committed the worst genocide on earth against these people, and that whatever land you believe is yours you simply stole from them, don't you?
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^This^

They're still as ignorant and bigoted as their ancestors I see.

Anyway, soon they will be eradicated applause2
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Giving the naives rights to their sacred sites is way overdue. Powergrab? Nah. My friends are native americna, many have long awaied this very imporant step. I'm glad to see thi shappen for them, I know how difficult this issue has been for many tribes.
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^^^this^^^
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agenda 21, they will not allow any private ownership of land.

the powers in charge will own it all, and allow whatever as they see fit for production of food, tenants etc

everyone will be living in cities, on top of one another

its headed that way folks.

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