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To all the Bible tards - you realize that the O/T and even N/T are plagarized versions of the much older Sumerian Texts

 
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...so does this mean that you follow the teachings, and writings of PAGAN cultures, when they predate in STONE the Bible writings by THOUSANDS of years? How does that sandwich taste?
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wrong. it's the other way around.

sorry, dude
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wow

i hate to sound like a broken record but....

...why does no one do any reading?
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well, i have to. its my field of study at university
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Dear Atheist-Tards:

This is the usual shit, and there's too many of you in this thread being entirely, willfully ignorant to sit here and waste time arguing with you individually.

Suffice it to say, as Atheists, you have very little knowledge about the Bible. You have just enough information about the Bible to make stupid statements that would seem to support your silly Atheism to high-functioning retards who want desperately to be left alone to smoke Marijuana and masturbate all day.

You're an IQ of 100 lording yourselves in front of 99 and below, and yes, your retarded fanbase will sing your praises for your misinformed, unilluminated musings.

I, nay, WE have no need to spend energy on you...if Christ wants you, he'll find you. Until then, you are a ridiculous pawn of the enemy, not fit for cannon fodder. IN fact, if you're the best the enemy can do, we're in pretty good shape.

You know nothing, you understand nothing, you are uninitiated and have your head filled with Internet musings and Bookstore Atheist programming from pseudo-clever tools like Penn Jillette, Bill Maher and George Carlin.

What great role models you have.

Furthermore, you don't even have the intelligence to realize you are being duped by TPTB to do their bidding, that is the Jewish Liberal Communist Agenda to destroy America.

I have no need or desire to wish you people to find hell, you're tormenting yourselves enough in the here and now with your delusions of intellect.

My only hope is that other Christians of all varieties are insightful enough not to be worn down by your incessant idiocy.

In conclusion, keep it up, you're a 100 who thinks they're a 140, and that's entertaining to me.
 Quoting: Lada D


Well, yeah. Perhaps a bit harsh though...

We are called to have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way. We are called to help the fatherless and the widows.

I ask you, who is more fatherless and widowed than people such as the OP?

peace,
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According to Christian tradition the book of Genesis was written somewhere between 1513-1440BCE, at around the time of the Israelite’s alleged exodus from Egypt. This tradition has now been proven to be founded upon nothing more than erroneous and unsubstantiated belief. According to the overwhelming amount of archeological, textual and extra-biblical record, the book of Genesis was more than likely written, or altered, sometime during the 6th to the 5th centuries B.C.E, whilst the Israelites were exiled in Babylon or even after they had returned, also known as the exilic and post exilic periods. At this point the reader may be wondering why this fact is significant. It is important, especially within the context of the archeologically proven fact that the Chaldeans, Sumerians and Babylonians, all had near identical myths from the creation of heaven and earth, the fall of man, the great flood, the tower of Babel, the Ten Commandments and even a Garden of Eden, to name a few. All of these ancient Babylonian myths pre-dated the Hebrew Scriptures by over a thousand years or more. (Ref: The Genesis Fraud)
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What is not often perceived is that the Jews had at their disposal a vast store of creation and other myths wholly unknown to us, from which they borrowed selectively. For instance, we know that the Eden of the Bible was located in the river delta region of Mesopotamia, and that the story of the creation of Adam is a Sumerian account. The story of the Ark, the Deluge and Noah came from Sumerian accounts. In fact, the story of the Deluge was not limited to the Middle East but was universally known.

There are also Ugaritic (northern Canaan) parallels to the Hebrew Bible. The story of Daniel was taken from a north Canaan poem dated as far back as 1500 BC. The Ugarit Epic of Keret deals with the capture of a bride of King Keret by a distant king. It later became the Helen of Troy motif. But more importantly, it is the source of the stories of Genesis 12 and 20 where twice Abraham had to get his wife Sarah back from the hands of other kings.
The story of Job comes from a Babylonian poem about a virtuous man named Tabu-utul-bel who was sorely afflicted for some inscrutable reason and tormented by the gods.

The story of Jonah has many origins and apparently was universal, for Hercules was swallowed by a whale at precisely the same place, Joppa. Persian legends tell of their hero Jamahyd who was devoured by a sea monster that later vomited him out safely upon the shore. A similar tale appears in India in the epic classic Samedev Bhatta where Saktedeva was swallowed by a fish and later escapes.

The story of Samson is so strange and foreign to Hebrew lore as to indicate that it was borrowed in toto from Canaanite mythology; in fact, his name is derived from Shamash, the Canaanite sun god who ruled Lebanon. Read more:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
----------------------

Andrew R. George claims that the Flood episode in Gen. 6-8 matches the older Babylonian myth so closely, that few doubt that it derives from the Mesopotamian account. What is particularly noticeable is the way the Genesis flood story follows the Gilgamesh flood tale "point by point and in the same order".

The Hebrew flood story of Genesis dates to 5th century BC. According to the documentary hypothesis, it is a composite of two literary sources J and P that were combined by a post-exilic editor, 539–400 BC. Hans Schmidt believes both the J material and the P material were products of the Babylonian exile period (6th century BC) and were directly derived from Babylonian sources.

Sir James George Frazer (Folk Lore in the OT: Studies in comparative Religion, Legen and Law) - These (anthropological responses) took various forms: cultural, religious, and historical. The cultural responses were based upon the discovery of Assyrian and Babylonian texts which resembled the biblical accounts of creation and flood and the laws of Exodus 21–4. They illuminated the cultural context of ancient Israel and disclosed the history, religion, and culture of ancient Mesopotamia as never before. One conclusion that was drawn from these discoveries was that everything that was thought to be unique to the Old Testament was, in fact, derived from Babylon (Delitzsch 1901–2).
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OP, many of us do our homework, glad you are too!!

Kismet
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Dear Atheist-Tards:

This is the usual shit, and there's too many of you in this thread being entirely, willfully ignorant to sit here and waste time arguing with you individually.

Suffice it to say, as Atheists, you have very little knowledge about the Bible. You have just enough information about the Bible to make stupid statements that would seem to support your silly Atheism to high-functioning retards who want desperately to be left alone to smoke Marijuana and masturbate all day.

You're an IQ of 100 lording yourselves in front of 99 and below, and yes, your retarded fanbase will sing your praises for your misinformed, unilluminated musings.

I, nay, WE have no need to spend energy on you...if Christ wants you, he'll find you. Until then, you are a ridiculous pawn of the enemy, not fit for cannon fodder. IN fact, if you're the best the enemy can do, we're in pretty good shape.

You know nothing, you understand nothing, you are uninitiated and have your head filled with Internet musings and Bookstore Atheist programming from pseudo-clever tools like Penn Jillette, Bill Maher and George Carlin.

What great role models you have.

Furthermore, you don't even have the intelligence to realize you are being duped by TPTB to do their bidding, that is the Jewish Liberal Communist Agenda to destroy America.

I have no need or desire to wish you people to find hell, you're tormenting yourselves enough in the here and now with your delusions of intellect.

My only hope is that other Christians of all varieties are insightful enough not to be worn down by your incessant idiocy.

In conclusion, keep it up, you're a 100 who thinks they're a 140, and that's entertaining to me.
 Quoting: Lada D


Well, yeah. Perhaps a bit harsh though...

We are called to have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way. We are called to help the fatherless and the widows.

I ask you, who is more fatherless and widowed than people such as the OP?

peace,
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Well, Jesus wasn't against a good rebuking now and then too.
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Well, Jesus wasn't against a good rebuking now and then too.


Indeed... I suspect He still isn't...

He knows just the right words and right time too... seeing as everything is laid bare and open before him.

Lets pray for these men. Knowing that the will of The Father is always accomplished.

God Bless.

peace,
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According to Christian tradition the book of Genesis was written somewhere between 1513-1440BCE, at around the time of the Israelite’s alleged exodus from Egypt. This tradition has now been proven to be founded upon nothing more than erroneous and unsubstantiated belief. According to the overwhelming amount of archeological, textual and extra-biblical record, the book of Genesis was more than likely written, or altered, sometime during the 6th to the 5th centuries B.C.E, whilst the Israelites were exiled in Babylon or even after they had returned, also known as the exilic and post exilic periods. At this point the reader may be wondering why this fact is significant. It is important, especially within the context of the archeologically proven fact that the Chaldeans, Sumerians and Babylonians, all had near identical myths from the creation of heaven and earth, the fall of man, the great flood, the tower of Babel, the Ten Commandments and even a Garden of Eden, to name a few. All of these ancient Babylonian myths pre-dated the Hebrew Scriptures by over a thousand years or more. (Ref: The Genesis Fraud)
----------------------------


What is not often perceived is that the Jews had at their disposal a vast store of creation and other myths wholly unknown to us, from which they borrowed selectively. For instance, we know that the Eden of the Bible was located in the river delta region of Mesopotamia, and that the story of the creation of Adam is a Sumerian account. The story of the Ark, the Deluge and Noah came from Sumerian accounts. In fact, the story of the Deluge was not limited to the Middle East but was universally known.

There are also Ugaritic (northern Canaan) parallels to the Hebrew Bible. The story of Daniel was taken from a north Canaan poem dated as far back as 1500 BC. The Ugarit Epic of Keret deals with the capture of a bride of King Keret by a distant king. It later became the Helen of Troy motif. But more importantly, it is the source of the stories of Genesis 12 and 20 where twice Abraham had to get his wife Sarah back from the hands of other kings.
The story of Job comes from a Babylonian poem about a virtuous man named Tabu-utul-bel who was sorely afflicted for some inscrutable reason and tormented by the gods.

The story of Jonah has many origins and apparently was universal, for Hercules was swallowed by a whale at precisely the same place, Joppa. Persian legends tell of their hero Jamahyd who was devoured by a sea monster that later vomited him out safely upon the shore. A similar tale appears in India in the epic classic Samedev Bhatta where Saktedeva was swallowed by a fish and later escapes.

The story of Samson is so strange and foreign to Hebrew lore as to indicate that it was borrowed in toto from Canaanite mythology; in fact, his name is derived from Shamash, the Canaanite sun god who ruled Lebanon. Read more:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
----------------------

Andrew R. George claims that the Flood episode in Gen. 6-8 matches the older Babylonian myth so closely, that few doubt that it derives from the Mesopotamian account. What is particularly noticeable is the way the Genesis flood story follows the Gilgamesh flood tale "point by point and in the same order".

The Hebrew flood story of Genesis dates to 5th century BC. According to the documentary hypothesis, it is a composite of two literary sources J and P that were combined by a post-exilic editor, 539–400 BC. Hans Schmidt believes both the J material and the P material were products of the Babylonian exile period (6th century BC) and were directly derived from Babylonian sources.

Sir James George Frazer (Folk Lore in the OT: Studies in comparative Religion, Legen and Law) - These (anthropological responses) took various forms: cultural, religious, and historical. The cultural responses were based upon the discovery of Assyrian and Babylonian texts which resembled the biblical accounts of creation and flood and the laws of Exodus 21–4. They illuminated the cultural context of ancient Israel and disclosed the history, religion, and culture of ancient Mesopotamia as never before. One conclusion that was drawn from these discoveries was that everything that was thought to be unique to the Old Testament was, in fact, derived from Babylon (Delitzsch 1901–2).
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OP, many of us do our homework, glad you are too!!

Kismet
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Sir James George Frazer was one of the least respected so-called anthropologists of his time. He threw out so many armchair theories and mish mash religion and myth that he lost credibility.

the masons love his work and aggrandize it

not only has frazer been thought of by his peers as absurd, but completely false, and downright preposterous.
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According to Christian tradition the book of Genesis was written somewhere between 1513-1440BCE, at around the time of the Israelite’s alleged exodus from Egypt. This tradition has now been proven to be founded upon nothing more than erroneous and unsubstantiated belief. According to the overwhelming amount of archeological, textual and extra-biblical record, the book of Genesis was more than likely written, or altered, sometime during the 6th to the 5th centuries B.C.E, whilst the Israelites were exiled in Babylon or even after they had returned, also known as the exilic and post exilic periods. At this point the reader may be wondering why this fact is significant. It is important, especially within the context of the archeologically proven fact that the Chaldeans, Sumerians and Babylonians, all had near identical myths from the creation of heaven and earth, the fall of man, the great flood, the tower of Babel, the Ten Commandments and even a Garden of Eden, to name a few. All of these ancient Babylonian myths pre-dated the Hebrew Scriptures by over a thousand years or more. (Ref: The Genesis Fraud)
----------------------------


What is not often perceived is that the Jews had at their disposal a vast store of creation and other myths wholly unknown to us, from which they borrowed selectively. For instance, we know that the Eden of the Bible was located in the river delta region of Mesopotamia, and that the story of the creation of Adam is a Sumerian account. The story of the Ark, the Deluge and Noah came from Sumerian accounts. In fact, the story of the Deluge was not limited to the Middle East but was universally known.

There are also Ugaritic (northern Canaan) parallels to the Hebrew Bible. The story of Daniel was taken from a north Canaan poem dated as far back as 1500 BC. The Ugarit Epic of Keret deals with the capture of a bride of King Keret by a distant king. It later became the Helen of Troy motif. But more importantly, it is the source of the stories of Genesis 12 and 20 where twice Abraham had to get his wife Sarah back from the hands of other kings.
The story of Job comes from a Babylonian poem about a virtuous man named Tabu-utul-bel who was sorely afflicted for some inscrutable reason and tormented by the gods.

The story of Jonah has many origins and apparently was universal, for Hercules was swallowed by a whale at precisely the same place, Joppa. Persian legends tell of their hero Jamahyd who was devoured by a sea monster that later vomited him out safely upon the shore. A similar tale appears in India in the epic classic Samedev Bhatta where Saktedeva was swallowed by a fish and later escapes.

The story of Samson is so strange and foreign to Hebrew lore as to indicate that it was borrowed in toto from Canaanite mythology; in fact, his name is derived from Shamash, the Canaanite sun god who ruled Lebanon. Read more:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
----------------------

Andrew R. George claims that the Flood episode in Gen. 6-8 matches the older Babylonian myth so closely, that few doubt that it derives from the Mesopotamian account. What is particularly noticeable is the way the Genesis flood story follows the Gilgamesh flood tale "point by point and in the same order".

The Hebrew flood story of Genesis dates to 5th century BC. According to the documentary hypothesis, it is a composite of two literary sources J and P that were combined by a post-exilic editor, 539–400 BC. Hans Schmidt believes both the J material and the P material were products of the Babylonian exile period (6th century BC) and were directly derived from Babylonian sources.

Sir James George Frazer (Folk Lore in the OT: Studies in comparative Religion, Legen and Law) - These (anthropological responses) took various forms: cultural, religious, and historical. The cultural responses were based upon the discovery of Assyrian and Babylonian texts which resembled the biblical accounts of creation and flood and the laws of Exodus 21–4. They illuminated the cultural context of ancient Israel and disclosed the history, religion, and culture of ancient Mesopotamia as never before. One conclusion that was drawn from these discoveries was that everything that was thought to be unique to the Old Testament was, in fact, derived from Babylon (Delitzsch 1901–2).
--------------------------

OP, many of us do our homework, glad you are too!!

Kismet
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Sir James George Frazer was one of the least respected so-called anthropologists of his time. He threw out so many armchair theories and mish mash religion and myth that he lost credibility.

the masons love his work and aggrandize it

not only has frazer been thought of by his peers as absurd, but completely false, and downright preposterous.
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Sir James George Frazer (1854-1941) was an historian of religion and a classical scholar. He was influential in the early stages of the modern studies of mythology and comparative religion and he is often considered one of the founding fathers of modern anthropology.

To say that Frazer was thought of as absurd by his peers is not founded, in fact, in my study of him, I've found him to be a respected academic by his peers and colleagues.

He may not agree with you but that's no reason to slander him.

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those that hold him to high regard also hold some of the philosophers of that era and previous to that era in the same high regard. and all those guys were found to be false also.

consider the source.
consider that the masons use his works for their agenda.

and we all know who they worship....
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According to Christian tradition the book of Genesis was written somewhere between 1513-1440BCE, at around the time of the Israelite’s alleged exodus from Egypt.
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Moses only compiled Genesis from firsthand records all the way back to Adam.

Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.

"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."

continues:

[link to davelivingston.com]

[link to www.noahs-ark.tv]

Who wrote Genesis

[link to www.rae.org]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
[link to www.dtl.org]
[link to www.specialtyinterests.net]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.youtube.com]
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According to Christian tradition the book of Genesis was written somewhere between 1513-1440BCE, at around the time of the Israelite’s alleged exodus from Egypt.
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Moses only compiled Genesis from firsthand records all the way back to Adam.

Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.

"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."

continues:

[link to davelivingston.com]

[link to www.noahs-ark.tv]

Who wrote Genesis

[link to www.rae.org]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
[link to www.dtl.org]
[link to www.specialtyinterests.net]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.youtube.com]
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excellent compilation of links.
most excellent.
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According to Christian tradition the book of Genesis was written somewhere between 1513-1440BCE, at around the time of the Israelite’s alleged exodus from Egypt.
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Moses only compiled Genesis from firsthand records all the way back to Adam.

Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.

"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."

continues:

[link to davelivingston.com]

[link to www.noahs-ark.tv]

Who wrote Genesis

[link to www.rae.org]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
[link to www.dtl.org]
[link to www.specialtyinterests.net]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Moses compiled Genesis from firsthand records? I'd be very interested in learning about these records. Moses may have passed on an oral tradition, but he didn't pass on any records. He lived approx. 1391 - 1271 BCE and Genesis wasn't written until 600-500 BCE.

I see this post of yours a lot in threads re: authenticity of biblical text, and it baffles me every time :) The topic of this thread is that Sumerian literature pre-existed biblical text, and yet, you try to use the Sumerian King List as some connection with Noah and/or Ham in a biblical context. You see the problem?

In terms of the wikipedia articles you cite as references for Kish, perhaps take a look at the 'talk' page for that article and understand just how scholarly the article is not. Modern historians assert that Sumer was settled by a non-semetic people.

The person later known as Noah in the Hebrew tradition was Ziusudra/Utnapishtim (Atra-hasis in old babylonian) in the earlier Sumerian culture, (see Eridu Genesis). He was the son of EN.KI and Batanash, wife of Lu-Mach.

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sumerian culture pre dates the christian creation story by several thousand years , there fore it cannot exist..

and it doesn't matter that more than half the words used in the bible didn't exist when it was reportedly written.
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Moses compiled Genesis from firsthand records? I'd be very interested in learning about these records. Moses may have passed on an oral tradition, but he didn't pass on any records. He lived approx. 1391 - 1271 BCE and Genesis wasn't written until 600-500 BCE.

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According to the biblical account Moses lived at the time of the Exodus about 1450 BC. He compiled Genesis at that time from some preserved record passed down. See the links. If some are claiming Moses wrote Genesis, that is known as the Moses Authorship Theory. I do not believe this was the case, rather Moses compiled the book as the Wiseman Hypothesis finds.

The book of Daniel dates to Babylon 500-600 BC. Genesis is much older. The internal evidences support this, then confirmed with the sciences, archaeological finds.

You lot are deceived by NWO evolution theories so cant find your way thru history. This revolution you have against religion is more of the same.



Lenin: "The fight against religion must not be limited nor reduced to abstract, ideological preaching. This struggle must be link with the concrete practical class movement; its aim must be to eliminate the social roots of religion."
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sumerian culture pre dates the christian creation story by several thousand years , there fore it cannot exist..

and it doesn't matter that more than half the words used in the bible didn't exist when it was reportedly written.
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Did you see that on teevee?
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Thread: Is this possibly the very earliest prophecy of the Son of God (Jesus) found inscripted on an artifact that dates approx 12,000 yrs old?
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Considering you don't believe in a personal devil (Satan), you probably wouldn't consider that Satan could have manipulated mankind to believe religions that would mimic the real thing (stated in prophecy) - Scripture accounts of history and the birth and life of Jesus. Satan is not dumb; he is the most intelligent creature God ever made...

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Moses compiled Genesis from firsthand records? I'd be very interested in learning about these records. Moses may have passed on an oral tradition, but he didn't pass on any records. He lived approx. 1391 - 1271 BCE and Genesis wasn't written until 600-500 BCE.

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According to the biblical account Moses lived at the time of the Exodus about 1450 BC. He compiled Genesis at that time from some preserved record passed down. See the links. If some are claiming Moses wrote Genesis, that is known as the Moses Authorship Theory. I do not believe this was the case, rather Moses compiled the book as the Wiseman Hypothesis finds.

The book of Daniel dates to Babylon 500-600 BC. Genesis is much older. The internal evidences support this, then confirmed with the sciences, archaeological finds.

You lot are deceived by NWO evolution theories so cant find your way thru history. This revolution you have against religion is more of the same.



Lenin: "The fight against religion must not be limited nor reduced to abstract, ideological preaching. This struggle must be link with the concrete practical class movement; its aim must be to eliminate the social roots of religion."
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Rabbinical Judaism calculates the lifespan of Moses to be 1391–1271 BCE - and no, he compiled no record; he compiled no book. You do understand that Genesis wasn't written until circa 600-500 BCE? I have pages and pages of references for this dating - if you'd like me to share?

The Torah, which contains the story of the exodus, was formed in the period of the Babylonian exile (5th century BCE) or shortly after. The Exodus, in traditional in Rabbinic Judaism, occurred at 1313 BCE (so the dates of 1391 - 1271 BCE for Moses work better than yours, logically speaking) However, no evidence has been found that indicates Egypt ever suffered such a demographic and economic catastrophe or that the Sinai desert ever hosted (or even able to host) these millions of people and their herds. A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness - most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit" - but that's another topic :)

I'm not sure what 'lot' you're referring to, but you've got a nerve to say people can't find their way through history while you sit there and spout lies about history. As to this revolt you speak of - my desire is to at least have some truth brought to the table - I'm sorry you feel you must revolt against that.

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sumerian culture pre dates the christian creation story by several thousand years , there fore it cannot exist..

and it doesn't matter that more than half the words used in the bible didn't exist when it was reportedly written.
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Did you see that on teevee?
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That's an interesting question :)
Are YOU aware of how many words (and circumstances) in the Bible text didn't exist when it was reportedly written? I could share some of my study with you if you'd like :)

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I think we need to ask why atheists are just so angry. I mean how many people put so much energy trying to disprove Santa Claus? If one does not believe then they certainly are wasting a huge amount of time. So much hate inside.

Politics aside, what about immortality, perfect love and peace, no pain or sorrow frightens atheist so much that they preach worse than Christian pastors and live to convert those who may be riding the fence.

Or is it simply a post with thousands of views? Seriously, people know that 'religion' gets the views, no.

No sane person would choose anything else but light and love, no sane person would try to hinder anyone else who seeks such a paradise, such love and immortality. Many of you will say that I am manipulated and brainwashed, but I dare say that it is you who is being manipulated and brainwashed, for only a truly insane and warped mind would choose hell over heaven and so one must seriously reconsider that there is something at play here. We must ask ourselves honestly, are there really insane people who would forfeit immortality? The history of mankind has been in search of it since the beginning, so how could there be those who would consider it unattainable or futile? Why would they consider it unattainable if so many grasp for it? And if you are one of those who laugh it off, have you ever wondered why? I mean truly wondered why?

If it is as simple as believing in all that the promise states, even if it weren’t true, why would you wish to steal the joy and hope of anyone else believing it? I mean if they die and it doesn’t happen, they are really losing nothing. But if they’re right they have won the ultimate prize. And if it IS so hard to believe, why do most present themselves as so angry and so bitter about the whole topic? And why is it Christianity that gets the brunt of the wrath of these atheists? Why aren’t atheists so angry with Buddhists or Hindus? We really should wonder about this, because if there is a God then there is a Satan, then which religion would Satan truly wish to discredit; the true one, of course.

God tells us that it is NOT flesh and blood, our fellow human beings, that we battle, but something much more sinister and insidious. You know whom I am talking about for if you are angry at a God you deem doesn’t exist and at those who do believe in Him, then you must truly wonder why you waste so much energy on trying to also discredit both and wonder why you do not believe what any sane person would.

You must consider that in the shadows, very near you, someone is whispering things, things that are actually lies, hate, bitterness and envy. He has already experienced that other place, that love and light…and he is insane, so insane that he walked away from it and now wishes to keep you from getting there. But, why would he want to keep you away from this wonderful place? Ever wonder?

And have you ever considered that if God does exist, all your mocking and hate will never dismiss Him or discredit Him. And if He doesn’t it also changes nothing, for all Christians will still die, just as nature shows us, and they will have not lost anything, for only a dark, oblivion awaits them and they will be none the wiser. So what is all your snickering truly accomplishing, what does it give you?

Is it that you feel you are not worthy, that you are already bound for that darkness and so live as evil as you can? If you can’t go to heaven, no one can? Don’t you realize that it is never too late, and there is nothing you could do that Jesus didn’t cover? The only thing Jesus cannot cover is unbelief. If you do not believe He can do what He says, then He cannot offer it to you.

You see, you are behaving just like Satan did; that he didn’t NEED anyone, that he was smarter and wiser than God and all that He made, so narcissistic and egotistical. And he is going down and anyone who behaves like him is going where he is going and it is not to the light and the love. Satan is going into the Lake of Fire for all eternity where he will burn, for he is immortal and cannot die…and so he will burn forever.

Hey, but you don’t believe any of this, right. So, instead of boring all of us to death, arguing over something you don’t believe…why not get back to that life you are so distracted with, you know with attaining all that wealth and lacklustre that you can’t even take with you.


And finally, Dude, you just can't prove it, none of us can, but putting doubt into the minds of others is mos def something Satan would waste his time on, so think about that.
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This one's interesting :) I remember looking into a bit... The pyramid, the inlaid dots corresponding with the constellation of Orion, it even shines under black light!

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"

Very interesting find tho!

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...so does this mean that you follow the teachings, and writings of PAGAN cultures, when they predate in STONE the Bible writings by THOUSANDS of years? How does that sandwich taste?
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Sounds like Spiritual warfare mixed with bullshit.

Where is the link, what stinks?
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Start with the seven tablets that describe the creation story in such detail it shames the O/T Genesis account.

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Why are you afraid of God?
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This one's interesting :) I remember looking into a bit... The pyramid, the inlaid dots corresponding with the constellation of Orion, it even shines under black light!

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"

Very interesting find tho!

Kismet
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plz link the other translation attempts
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Start with the seven tablets that describe the creation story in such detail it shames the O/T Genesis account.

[link to faculty.gvsu.edu]
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They all tell the same story. Fail. What would be strange would be if these stories didn't exist from different cultures.
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Cave drawings around the world tell the same story also. Think they flew to different areas of the globe. Soon we may be telling the same story on caves walls. They do seem to indicate something drove them in the caves to draw lightning between the planets.
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Start with the seven tablets that describe the creation story in such detail it shames the O/T Genesis account.

[link to faculty.gvsu.edu]
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Why are you afraid of God?
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Indeed. And even if what you state were true, what have you gained? Oh, yes, you are right. YAY! And then what? Will you go around bragging about it??? Again, YAY! And then what??? Go back to whacking to porn, getting high and waiting for the blackness where you will still die and become maggot food?

Dude, your life has just so much meaning; really. High Five and all that.
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So do you choose to only preach to the choir? I mean, if you limit yourself to only reassuring other Christians and generalizing the beliefs of all others, how is that not choosing willful ignorance over purpose?
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There's a certain amount of willful intent to be not just a non-believer but against God to the point you go around to boards and start mocking faith and belief.

The truly intelligent Atheists give a certain degree of respect to believers. And why not? Adam Carolla is a good example.

Those who are actively aggressive against God have some deep rooted issues.
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Those active are not aggressive but tired of the mental midgets that preach their doctrine day in and day out and expect respect, though they offer none, because most don't want to hear it. Funny how when someone questions your beliefs you get ass chapped. Actually this discussion was intelligent. The Bible is based on previous works that are considered PAGAN. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
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All roots point back to sumerian teachings ;) it is the origin.
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So do you choose to only preach to the choir? I mean, if you limit yourself to only reassuring other Christians and generalizing the beliefs of all others, how is that not choosing willful ignorance over purpose?
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There's a certain amount of willful intent to be not just a non-believer but against God to the point you go around to boards and start mocking faith and belief.

The truly intelligent Atheists give a certain degree of respect to believers. And why not? Adam Carolla is a good example.

Those who are actively aggressive against God have some deep rooted issues.
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Those active are not aggressive but tired of the mental midgets that preach their doctrine day in and day out and expect respect, though they offer none, because most don't want to hear it. Funny how when someone questions your beliefs you get ass chapped. Actually this discussion was intelligent. The Bible is based on previous works that are considered PAGAN. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
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All roots point back to sumerian teachings ;) it is the origin.
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Stating this does not make it true. If it were so easy to prove, it would have been...but it never will. Get over it and let people live and believe as they choose.
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You are a liar sir
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I think we need to ask why atheists are just so angry.....
And finally, Dude, you just can't prove it, none of us can, but putting doubt into the minds of others is mos def something Satan would waste his time on, so think about that.
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I think we need to ask why are there so many angry PEOPLE - they come from all walks of live, every color of religion, and under every flag. It may just be that part of it stems from realizing that we've been lied to... for a very long time :(

We are all eternal spirit - we should be trying to help those who don't understand that, to understand that - but there's a difference between showing people (more) accurate information vs. dogma that is not historically correct.

Everyone should be free to believe what they choose, and I have no question with anyone over their faith - I just question the cold hard facts :)

Your post was refreshing :) (without the name calling, of course)

Kismet

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