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To all the Bible tards - you realize that the O/T and even N/T are plagarized versions of the much older Sumerian Texts

 
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I think we need to ask why atheists are just so angry.....
And finally, Dude, you just can't prove it, none of us can, but putting doubt into the minds of others is mos def something Satan would waste his time on, so think about that.
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I think we need to ask why are there so many angry PEOPLE - they come from all walks of live, every color of religion, and under every flag. It may just be that part of it stems from realizing that we've been lied to... for a very long time :(

We are all eternal spirit - we should be trying to help those who don't understand that, to understand that - but there's a difference between showing people (more) accurate information vs. dogma that is not historically correct.

Everyone should be free to believe what they choose, and I have no question with anyone over their faith - I just question the cold hard facts :)

Your post was refreshing :) (without the name calling, of course)

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OP are you Sumerian just saying. You are just a fart that came out yesterday. That will fade sooner or later and you speak of such matter? Your too young to understand thing son. Do you know that the sky is blue?
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This one's interesting :) I remember looking into a bit... The pyramid, the inlaid dots corresponding with the constellation of Orion, it even shines under black light!

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"

Very interesting find tho!

Kismet
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plz link the other translation attempts
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Sorry, not sure what you're asking for?
Your thread link is right there in my quote :)

Kismet
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OP and the rest of you who claim that the bible is fake if you all can name every creature in the world i will consider your opinions. I will be waiting
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Reasons Why It's Unlikely

1) Moses wrote the Pentateuch because he wanted to record the historical record of God's dealings with humankind. Why would he steal a story from the pagan Babylonians? Why would he steal a story at all? There seems to be no good reason that Moses would alter a Babylonian myth and adopt it as a historical heritage.

2) The biblical account gives us a sound and consistent story based on God's character, the sinfulness of humankind, principles of nature and science, reasons for the flood, etc. The Epic of Gilgamesh contradicts God's consistent and congruent plan of redemption by introducing a plant at the bottom of the sea that gives eternal life when eaten. It also assumes an absurdity: that Gilgamesh could swim to the bottom of this sea and uproot the plant. It is clearly full of fiction while the biblical account is not.

3) The dimensions of the boats were extremely different. Noah's ark was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high (based on our understanding of a cubit) with the floors. Gilgamesh's boat was only 14 feet long (200 square feet), 200 feet high, and had six floors. Generously speaking, Gilgamesh's boat wouldn't float. After the flood waters rose, it would topple in a matter of seconds and all of the animals would be thrown to the side of the boat (which would be the new bottom of the boat). This would likely kill everyone and it would surely be noteworthy; even though Gilgamesh doesn't mention this happening.

Reasons Why It's Impossible

We have identified "The Epic of Gilgamesh" as a myth and a lie. Due to a large number of reasons, it is an impossibility. However, if we could find current, scientific findings that authenticate the biblical account, then it would be unequivocal evidence that the Genesis flood account is correct. How would Moses be able to forge something so detailed 3500 years ago and have it be scientifically correct, today? Answer: If science authenticates the biblical flood account, then it was surely the original and the Babylonian account was surely the fabrication.

1) Books like "Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study," by John Woodmorappe, have shown that all of the animals necessary to populate the world as we know it would have been able to fit into Noah's Ark. Furthermore, scientific organizations like "Answers in Genesis," "The Institute for Creation Research," and "Creation Science Evangelism" have confirmed the fact that "two of each kind" of animal could have produced every animal on the Earth, today.

2) Before the biblical flood, the Earth was relatively flat and without much water. There was a great deal of water above the firmament, though. The amount of water we currently have in the oceans, rivers, and seas matches the amount of water that we would have expected to fall in the Noahic flood.

3) The runoff patterns are still visible on land masses, today. These include the Grand Canyon, the Black Sea carving the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, the Mediterranean Lake flowing into the (much lower) Atlantic Ocean, forming a deep V notch at the straits of Gibraltar, a huge lake in Central California flowing through the gap under the Golden Gate Bridge, etc.

4) The biblical account identifies the "fountains of the deep" opening. This agrees with plate tectonics and the shifting that occurred.

5) The subsequent ice age was a result of the effects of the biblical flood. Even evolutionists agree on an ice age. They simply have a different date for its occurrence and its duration.

6) Here is a great web site that takes the biblical flood account and reveals its effects on the Earth and how we still see them, today. Link: [link to www.evanwiggs.com]

Since Gilgamesh is clearly a fabrication and since the Genesis flood account has been confirmed with present-day observation and facts, we know that the biblical flood account is correct. We also know that Moses penned the flood account from a reliable source. If the Babylonian author based his story on the truth, he deliberately changed it to reflect certain gods and ideas of his choosing that contradicted the truth, logic, and science.



Conclusion

People that do not know their Creator and are unsure about the truth have always been prone to adopt concepts from those that are 100% certain that their Creator is real. We have seen this with the Sumerians, the Babylonians, the Egyptians, and in modern cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons. They hear the truth and add things to it.

The Bible is the only religious, prophetic book that is inerrant. No other book compares. On issues of science, history, and morality, the Bible is head and shoulders above the rest. It is truly original and inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. If you haven't repented from your sins and trusted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, please click here and see the gospel message.


[link to www.jcsm.org]
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This one's interesting :) I remember looking into a bit... The pyramid, the inlaid dots corresponding with the constellation of Orion, it even shines under black light!

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"

Very interesting find tho!

Kismet
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plz link the other translation attempts
 Quoting: Salt


Sorry, not sure what you're asking for?
Your thread link is right there in my quote :)

Kismet
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you said:

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"


did you have a link for these translation efforts, or did you find these linked in my thread somewhere? if so, can you post it here? because i haven't seen them and would like to research it.
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Re: To all the Bible tards - you realize that the O/T and even N/T are plagarized versions of the much older Sumerian Texts
Reasons Why It's Unlikely

1) Moses wrote the Pentateuch because ....
[link to www.jcsm.org]
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Appreciate that you copied this from jcsm.org as a perspective of that writer, BUT after the first sentence, serious researchers will not even read the rest of it. Moses did NOT write the Pentateuch!

Sir, have you studied origins of the Bible yourself?


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This one's interesting :) I remember looking into a bit... The pyramid, the inlaid dots corresponding with the constellation of Orion, it even shines under black light!

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"

Very interesting find tho!

Kismet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21363812


plz link the other translation attempts
 Quoting: Salt


Sorry, not sure what you're asking for?
Your thread link is right there in my quote :)

Kismet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21363812


you said:

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"


did you have a link for these translation efforts, or did you find these linked in my thread somewhere? if so, can you post it here? because i haven't seen them and would like to research it.
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No, I didn't find them in your thread - I referred to my own file on the subject, as I said, I found it interesting when I came across it and kept a few notes :)

I'll do a quick Google search and see if I can find source :)

Kismet
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plz link the other translation attempts
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Sorry, not sure what you're asking for?
Your thread link is right there in my quote :)

Kismet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21363812


you said:

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"


did you have a link for these translation efforts, or did you find these linked in my thread somewhere? if so, can you post it here? because i haven't seen them and would like to research it.
 Quoting: Salt


No, I didn't find them in your thread - I referred to my own file on the subject, as I said, I found it interesting when I came across it and kept a few notes :)

I'll do a quick Google search and see if I can find source :)

Kismet
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yeah, ok... that's what i thought.

good night to you.
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Sorry, not sure what you're asking for?
Your thread link is right there in my quote :)

Kismet
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you said:

There seems to be a couple translations for this pre-Sanskrit -
"The Son/Daughter of my creator moves/comes from outside into..." (re: Orion Constellation)
Another, "Venus mine, is from highest/creator Star"


did you have a link for these translation efforts, or did you find these linked in my thread somewhere? if so, can you post it here? because i haven't seen them and would like to research it.
 Quoting: Salt


No, I didn't find them in your thread - I referred to my own file on the subject, as I said, I found it interesting when I came across it and kept a few notes :)

I'll do a quick Google search and see if I can find source :)

Kismet
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yeah, ok... that's what i thought.

good night to you.
 Quoting: Salt


That's a fairly confusing reply...
You don't want the links because they're not from your thread?

I would have certainly obliged...
oh well, good night to you as well.

Kismet
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please provide any links that reveal alternative translation efforts besides the expert used in dona's presentation.

i don't want your own notes. i want source data.
thanks.
i'll wait.
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ok, i waited 45 mins.
i will check back tomorrow.
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Moses compiled Genesis from firsthand records? I'd be very interested in learning about these records. Moses may have passed on an oral tradition, but he didn't pass on any records. He lived approx. 1391 - 1271 BCE and Genesis wasn't written until 600-500 BCE.

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According to the biblical account Moses lived at the time of the Exodus about 1450 BC. He compiled Genesis at that time from some preserved record passed down. See the links. If some are claiming Moses wrote Genesis, that is known as the Moses Authorship Theory. I do not believe this was the case, rather Moses compiled the book as the Wiseman Hypothesis finds.

The book of Daniel dates to Babylon 500-600 BC. Genesis is much older. The internal evidences support this, then confirmed with the sciences, archaeological finds.

You lot are deceived by NWO evolution theories so cant find your way thru history. This revolution you have against religion is more of the same.



Lenin: "The fight against religion must not be limited nor reduced to abstract, ideological preaching. This struggle must be link with the concrete practical class movement; its aim must be to eliminate the social roots of religion."
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Rabbinical Judaism calculates the lifespan of Moses to be 1391–1271 BCE - and no, he compiled no record; he compiled no book. You do understand that Genesis wasn't written until circa 600-500 BCE? I have pages and pages of references for this dating - if you'd like me to share?

The Torah, which contains the story of the exodus, was formed in the period of the Babylonian exile (5th century BCE) or shortly after. The Exodus, in traditional in Rabbinic Judaism, occurred at 1313 BCE (so the dates of 1391 - 1271 BCE for Moses work better than yours, logically speaking) However, no evidence has been found that indicates Egypt ever suffered such a demographic and economic catastrophe or that the Sinai desert ever hosted (or even able to host) these millions of people and their herds. A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness - most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit" - but that's another topic :)

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Genesis was compiled by Moses during the Exodus c. 1450 BC. We are not going by what the rabbi says. We go by the Books of the Bible that calculate to 1450 BC, and by historical archaeological finds confirming the biblical account.

The Exodus is a confirmed fact just as the Bible says.

Confirmed by multiple teams..

The Search for the Real Mt Sinai
(video)
[link to archive.org]
The Exodus route, Red Sea crossing, surrounding artifacts, Split Rock at Horeb, and much more.
(illustrated)
[link to pinkoski.com]



Bible says ...
Hebrews were captive in Egypt

Hebrews built the Pyramids.
[link to www.youtube.com]
pyramid building machine ..
[link to pinkoski.com]



Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Joseph, one of Jacob's twelve sons of the twelve tribes of Israel.




The plagues of the Exodus recorded in Egyptian documents: Ipuwer Papyrus
[link to www.christianevidences.org]
[link to www.examiner.com]

also see the black granite naos, housed at Egypt
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To all the Bible tards - you realize that the O/T and even N/T are plagarized versions of the much older Sumerian Texts
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the Word of God is the Word of God

Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I
am he. (John 13:19)

Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before
they spring forth I tell you of them. (isa. 42:9)


the existence of older forgeries or witchcraft manuscripts is irrelevant
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I believe in God, not as in an invisible man in the clouds, but as a universal, creative and loving energy. I've never believed nor trusted the bibles, the only reason being that physical writings have the hands of too many corrupted men in it.
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I believe in God, not as in an invisible man in the clouds, but as a universal, creative and loving energy. I've never believed nor trusted the bibles, the only reason being that physical writings have the hands of too many corrupted men in it.
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OP and the rest of you who claim that the bible is fake if you all can name every creature in the world i will consider your opinions. I will be waiting
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oh? does the bible name every creature in the world?


i'll wait while you type up the list.
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