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Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?

 
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Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?

Scriptures say that God gave Satan/Super Wolf dominion over the earth and the power to deceive all of us on this world.

Jesus often used the shepherd and sheep analogy in scriptures.

Following that analogy and the fact that Jesus has been gone for some time now, one must wonder why, if our souls are so important to Jesus, he has left us and past generations at Satan’s mercy.

No shepherd I ever heard of would be so irresponsible to his duty to his flock.
Especially since scriptures tell us that more sheep will be taken by Satan than protected by the shepherd.

Another breach of duty, FMPOV, is that Satan has been sentenced to hell by God, yet justice delayed is considered justice denied by most and God is denying mankind that justice.

I appreciate the free will argument that some might put but our free will was rescinded by God the moment he gave Satan the power to deceive us against our will. That situation is depicted somewhat in this clip which speaks to God letting Satan have his way with us.

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This clip is just to show what some think of the shepherd analogy.

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Can you shed some light on these two issues for me?

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THE WOLF HAS NO POWER OVER JESUS FLOCK!


The promise of scripture is clear, when someone comes to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ; the Holy Spirit comes to dwell within the person. As a result, they receive “power” from God’s Holy Spirit, to complete the task given them to accomplish. Along with the power, the Spirit has a “gift” for the believer to complete the task.

Now the purpose of the gift is not for us to just have ability, but for us to use this new ability to accomplish the work assigned for us. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are designed to accomplish the work of the Spirit, equipping the believer. Therefore, we really need to know what the end game is, what are we trying to accomplish.

Jesus died for our sins, because God so loved the world, God had compassion on humanity, there was no other option to save humanity.



Isaiah tells us God looked down upon humanity, and interceded for lost man.

16 He saw that there was no man, And wondered that there was no intercessor; Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him; And His own righteousness, it sustained Him. 17 For He put on righteousness as a breastplate, And a helmet of salvation on His head; He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, And was clad with zeal as a cloak.
Isaiah 59:16-17
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Re: Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?
The disciples did leave Him , not the other way.
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Choices you must make my friend
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what about the theory, jesus and the superwolf are one and the same ?

or jesus needs the superwolf, so he can be the savior aka good cop, bad cop ?

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what about the theory, jesus is the superwolf ?

or jesus needs the superwolf, so he can be the savior aka good cop, bad cop ?
 Quoting: icepack


JESUS IS THE LAMB OF GOD!

WHO TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD!


HE IS RETURNING AS THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH

HIS ENEMIES WILL HAVE NO WHERE TO HIDE!

MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE


THE CHOICE IS NOW!

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what about the theory, jesus is the superwolf ?

or jesus needs the superwolf, so he can be the savior aka good cop, bad cop ?
 Quoting: icepack


Just a theory of ignorant ppl.
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
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He Doesnt leave them . Read the Bible
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

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too bad most christians have been taking false sacraments and denied the true ones.

therefore most do not actually have the holy spirit within.


wafers and wine don't cut it sry.


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Re: Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?
god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Good Grief

instead of reading a fairy tale book, just do the following:

go into a meditative state

Demand all voices be silenced EXCEPT for Jesus (who is 100% pure white light)

Invite him to meet with you

then ask him all your questions
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Good Grief

instead of reading a fairy tale book, just do the following:

go into a meditative state

Demand all voices be silenced EXCEPT for Jesus (who is 100% pure white light)

Invite him to meet with you

then ask him all your questions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031




SO WHO IS THE JESUS YOU MEDITATE ON THAT IS NOT FROM THE HOLY BIBLE?????? WHAT JESUS ARE YOU MEDITATING ON??????
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Good Grief

instead of reading a fairy tale book, just do the following:

go into a meditative state

Demand all voices be silenced EXCEPT for Jesus (who is 100% pure white light)

Invite him to meet with you

then ask him all your questions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031




SO WHO IS THE JESUS YOU MEDITATE ON THAT IS NOT FROM THE HOLY BIBLE?????? WHAT JESUS ARE YOU MEDITATING ON??????
 Quoting: christian


why are you yelling?
where is the love?
you cant feel the love when you are so full of your negative energy...
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...


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Good Grief

instead of reading a fairy tale book, just do the following:

go into a meditative state

Demand all voices be silenced EXCEPT for Jesus (who is 100% pure white light)

Invite him to meet with you

then ask him all your questions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031




SO WHO IS THE JESUS YOU MEDITATE ON THAT IS NOT FROM THE HOLY BIBLE?????? WHAT JESUS ARE YOU MEDITATING ON??????
 Quoting: christian


why are you yelling?
where is the love?
you cant feel the love when you are so full of your negative energy...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031


Not Yelling...

My POINT IS TRUTH...SO I EMPHASIZE WHAT JESUS WOULD HAVE ME TO DO.
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Good Grief

instead of reading a fairy tale book, just do the following:

go into a meditative state

Demand all voices be silenced EXCEPT for Jesus (who is 100% pure white light)

Invite him to meet with you

then ask him all your questions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031




SO WHO IS THE JESUS YOU MEDITATE ON THAT IS NOT FROM THE HOLY BIBLE?????? WHAT JESUS ARE YOU MEDITATING ON??????
 Quoting: christian


Trinity is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, Jesus´ Father.
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Good Grief

instead of reading a fairy tale book, just do the following:

go into a meditative state

Demand all voices be silenced EXCEPT for Jesus (who is 100% pure white light)

Invite him to meet with you

then ask him all your questions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031




SO WHO IS THE JESUS YOU MEDITATE ON THAT IS NOT FROM THE HOLY BIBLE?????? WHAT JESUS ARE YOU MEDITATING ON??????
 Quoting: christian


why are you yelling?
where is the love?
you cant feel the love when you are so full of your negative energy...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031


Not Yelling...

My POINT IS TRUTH...SO I EMPHASIZE WHAT JESUS WOULD HAVE ME TO DO.
 Quoting: christian


that is between you and him

go ask him, not me
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Re: Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?
Indeed the wolf has no power over Jesus' flock but the point I felt I needed to make here is that Jesus has not left us.
We have left him.


Think about that one for awhile
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Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Good Grief

instead of reading a fairy tale book, just do the following:

go into a meditative state

Demand all voices be silenced EXCEPT for Jesus (who is 100% pure white light)

Invite him to meet with you

then ask him all your questions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031




SO WHO IS THE JESUS YOU MEDITATE ON THAT IS NOT FROM THE HOLY BIBLE?????? WHAT JESUS ARE YOU MEDITATING ON??????
 Quoting: christian


why are you yelling?
where is the love?
you cant feel the love when you are so full of your negative energy...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031



What do you think Jesus would do, when his supposed followers try to pervert the WORD OF GOD?????


Matthew 21:

Jesus at the Temple

12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’[e] but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’[f]”

14 The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they were indignant.

16 “Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked him.

“Yes,” replied Jesus, “have you never read,

“‘From the lips of children and infants
you, Lord, have called forth your praise’[g]?”
17 And he left them and went out of the city to Bethany, where he spent the night.

Jesus Curses a Fig Tree

18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.

20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked.

21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
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Indeed the wolf has no power over Jesus' flock but the point I felt I needed to make here is that Jesus has not left us.
We have left him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22274076


EXACTLY.
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Begotten from the Spirit of God. And water. A big difference.
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Begotten from the Spirit of God. And water. A big difference.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


He is 1 with GOD..He is not seperate from the Father...

He was with GOD from the Beginning....
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Begotten from the Spirit of God. And water. A big difference.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


He is 1 with GOD..He is not seperate from the Father...

He was with GOD from the Beginning....
 Quoting: christian


AT the Beginning. An another BIG difference.
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Good Grief

instead of reading a fairy tale book, just do the following:

go into a meditative state

Demand all voices be silenced EXCEPT for Jesus (who is 100% pure white light)

Invite him to meet with you

then ask him all your questions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29555031


btw one of the voices that needs to be silenced is the EGO.
Many people constantly follow their ego, and it leads them astray.
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THE WOLF HAS NO POWER OVER JESUS FLOCK!


 Quoting: christian


Strange that you quote the bible like it means something yet ignore the fact that it also says that the whole world will be deceived. Rather hypocritical and self-serving that.

As to Jesus. To think God would demand his murder just to forgive us when he can do so without it is ludicrous.

No noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]


Your morals have been compromised as you would try to profit from the murder of an innocent man.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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The disciples did leave Him , not the other way.
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This O P has nothing to do with him and his disciples. It is about the fact that he is not here now and gave Satan the power to deceive us all.

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Choices you must make my friend
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Sure. Based on whatever information Satan has deceived you with thanks to God giving him that power.

God also has a choice in enforcing his sentence and he does not and that is immoral.

Ignore that at your peril.

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The disciples did leave Him , not the other way.
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This O P has nothing to do with him and his disciples. It is about the fact that he is not here now and gave Satan the power to deceive us all.

Regards
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You deserve.
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what about the theory, jesus and the superwolf are one and the same ?

or jesus needs the superwolf, so he can be the savior aka good cop, bad cop ?
 Quoting: icepack


It is believable.
The scribes and Rome worked hard to make Jesus our hero. God even had him needlessly murdered to serve his self-aggrandizing ego.

Regards
DL
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THE WOLF HAS NO POWER OVER JESUS FLOCK!


 Quoting: christian


Strange that you quote the bible like it means something yet ignore the fact that it also says that the whole world will be deceived. Rather hypocritical and self-serving that.

As to Jesus. To think God would demand his murder just to forgive us when he can do so without it is ludicrous.

No noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]


Your morals have been compromised as you would try to profit from the murder of an innocent man.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Regards
DL
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well DL ,you are coming from a perspective that you are not one of the deceived

i disagree

in fact , i rather think that in believing you are 'above' deception
makes you all the more ripe and tasty a 'sacrifice '

but to whom?

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He Doesnt leave them . Read the Bible
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He has left us all under Satan's dominion.

Read your bible.

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DL