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Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?

 
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god is almighty. jesus is not god.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
 Quoting: icepack


Jesus is not a created being..

He is begotten..
1 with GOD

GOD, SON HOLY SPIRIT is 1....

 Quoting: christian


Your God is a deadbeat dad who coveted another man's woman to reproduce for him with invisible super sperm.

Fundies are so foolish. No wonder so many of you abandon your children to abortion or with unwed mothers. You follow your God's example to the letter.

Stop preaching and speak to the O P.

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DL
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Indeed the wolf has no power over Jesus' flock but the point I felt I needed to make here is that Jesus has not left us.
We have left him.


Think about that one for awhile
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Sure. That is why God gave Satan dominion here and your Jesus is absentee. How can he be here and return at the same time?

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Think about that one for a while.
Or just think period.

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god is almighty. jesus is not god.



He is 1 with GOD..He is not seperate from the Father...

He was with GOD from the Beginning....
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Yes and he planned his murder from that beginning. Nice God you follow.

Scapegoating is immoral pal so you should rethink.

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DL
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The disciples did leave Him , not the other way.
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This O P has nothing to do with him and his disciples. It is about the fact that he is not here now and gave Satan the power to deceive us all.

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DL
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You deserve.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


And those with swollen heads and egos think they do not.

There so specccial.

Regards
DL
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The disciples did leave Him , not the other way.
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This O P has nothing to do with him and his disciples. It is about the fact that he is not here now and gave Satan the power to deceive us all.

Regards
DL
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You deserve.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


And those with swollen heads and egos think they do not.

There so specccial.

Regards
DL
 Quoting: Greatest I am


I was speaking of you, not me. Don not distort. Or you will never learn.
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THE WOLF HAS NO POWER OVER JESUS FLOCK!


 Quoting: christian


Strange that you quote the bible like it means something yet ignore the fact that it also says that the whole world will be deceived. Rather hypocritical and self-serving that.

As to Jesus. To think God would demand his murder just to forgive us when he can do so without it is ludicrous.

No noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]


Your morals have been compromised as you would try to profit from the murder of an innocent man.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Regards
DL
 Quoting: Greatest I am


well DL ,you are coming from a perspective that you are not one of the deceived

i disagree

in fact , i rather think that in believing you are 'above' deception
makes you all the more ripe and tasty a 'sacrifice '

but to whom?

regards
DM
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29341404


Only those whose morals have been compromised would think that God would accept a bribe or sacrifice to forgive those he loves. Your God has a price to you does he?
How much is your soul worth?

One small % of an immoral human sacrifice.

Put away your blood lust. It is barbaric.

Regards
DL
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This O P has nothing to do with him and his disciples. It is about the fact that he is not here now and gave Satan the power to deceive us all.

Regards
DL
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You deserve.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


And those with swollen heads and egos think they do not.

There so specccial.

Regards
DL
 Quoting: Greatest I am


I was speaking of you, not me. Don not distort. Or you will never learn.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Those like you who will try to profit from the murder of an innocent man have nothing that I want to learn. All you would do is compromise my morals.

Get thee behind me Satan.

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DL
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You deserve.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


And those with swollen heads and egos think they do not.

There so specccial.

Regards
DL
 Quoting: Greatest I am


I was speaking of you, not me. Don not distort. Or you will never learn.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Those like you who will try to profit from the murder of an innocent man have nothing that I want to learn. All you would do is compromise my morals.

Get thee behind me Satan.

Regards
DL
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Just remember my words next time you learn another crime happened. The same BS over again.
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The bible tells you that God will let the wheat grow up with the weeds (tares). He will harvest when both are ripe, obviously evil is close to it's ripest point. It's obvious from worldly events that the wolves are separating themselves out from the sheep, clever of God to do that, they just feel so entitled, so superior that they just join what they think is the 'winners' queue, ha.

It's absolutely brilliant, yeah not nice to live through but we are not of this world.
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THE WOLF HAS NO POWER OVER JESUS FLOCK!


 Quoting: christian


Strange that you quote the bible like it means something yet ignore the fact that it also says that the whole world will be deceived. Rather hypocritical and self-serving that.

As to Jesus. To think God would demand his murder just to forgive us when he can do so without it is ludicrous.

No noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]


Your morals have been compromised as you would try to profit from the murder of an innocent man.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Regards
DL
 Quoting: Greatest I am


well DL ,you are coming from a perspective that you are not one of the deceived

i disagree

in fact , i rather think that in believing you are 'above' deception
makes you all the more ripe and tasty a 'sacrifice '

but to whom?

regards
DM
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29341404


Only those whose morals have been compromised would think that God would accept a bribe or sacrifice to forgive those he loves. Your God has a price to you does he?
How much is your soul worth?

One small % of an immoral human sacrifice.

Put away your blood lust. It is barbaric.

Regards
DL
 Quoting: Greatest I am


quite certain that god entertains no sacrifice
and it is both ignorant and futile to offer meat to appease one with an insatiable appetite

but it is a beast- and it's appetite is therefore appropriate to it's form- not barabaric - a product of reality

so i avoid being the meat- by following the first nobel truth

you should consider this good advice

regards

DM
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Those like you who will try to profit from the murder of an innocent man have nothing that I want to learn. All you would do is compromise my morals.

Get thee behind me Satan.

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DL
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Just remember my words next time you learn another crime happened. The same BS over again.


I guess you missed the news flash. The world, even with it's faults, is in the best condition it has ever been in.

[link to www.youtube.com]

As to crime. You should stop yours. It should be unlawful for those of your ilk to try to profit from the murder of an innocent man. Where are your morals man?

Your religion has compromised them.

[link to www.youtube.com]

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Regards
DL
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The bible tells you that God will let the wheat grow up with the weeds (tares). He will harvest when both are ripe, obviously evil is close to it's ripest point. It's obvious from worldly events that the wolves are separating themselves out from the sheep, clever of God to do that, they just feel so entitled, so superior that they just join what they think is the 'winners' queue, ha.

It's absolutely brilliant, yeah not nice to live through but we are not of this world.
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Which is why you have no clue as to what the world id doing.

[link to www.youtube.com]

I note that you are bright enough to know to stay away from the issues the O P bring up, hypocrite, so you should be bright enough to recognize that there is way more good in the world than evil in spite of the evil your religion adds to it.

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DL
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quite certain that god entertains no sacrifice
and it is both ignorant and futile to offer meat to appease one with an insatiable appetite

but it is a beast- and it's appetite is therefore appropriate to it's form- not barabaric - a product of reality

so i avoid being the meat- by following the first nobel truth

you should consider this good advice

regards

DM
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29341404


And end with morals like yours!

When hell freezes over.

A moral man does not try to profit from the murder of an innocent man.

Your morals have been compromised by your religion.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Get ready to burn in the hell you crave for others.

Regards
DL
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Those like you who will try to profit from the murder of an innocent man have nothing that I want to learn. All you would do is compromise my morals.

Get thee behind me Satan.

Regards
DL
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Just remember my words next time you learn another crime happened. The same BS over again.
 Quoting: Greatest I am


I guess you missed the news flash. The world, even with it's faults, is in the best condition it has ever been in.

[link to www.youtube.com]

As to crime. You should stop yours. It should be unlawful for those of your ilk to try to profit from the murder of an innocent man. Where are your morals man?

Your religion has compromised them.

[link to www.youtube.com]

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Regards
DL


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Although I sincerely doubt you truly wish to know the answer to this, as I infer it to be bait and trollish, I answer it for those who read and may actually wish to know and benefit from the 'pearls' of God's Word and Truth.

Jesus came to save the world and left to prepare a place for us, but also to fulfill prophecy; as the pinnacle of human history. But, Jesus also came to 'divide' and to 'bring a sword'. He is not messing about. He wants to know who is 'for Him' and who is 'against Him'. Satan is the means to this choice, this dividing of mankind. One cannot choose if all is perfect, choice depends on more than one option. Satan is the 'other option'. God gives us the freewill to choose, for He will not force anyone to love Him.

Jesus' presence in this world has sparked the most important controversy in all of mankind: Does God exist and did Jesus raise from the dead, foreshadowing our future resurrection and redemption from sin? (This forum proves it without a doubt!) This is the basis of our life: the decision to accept His sacrifice or not. (Despite what the 'meme' tells us, as it is used as a distraction from the realities of death and our saving grace.)

When Jesus left, He did not leave us alone.


John 14:1-4

1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

...

15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”

...

25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29 I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. 30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, 31 but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.


John 15:18-27

18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He who hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

26 “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
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Our SOULS are safe in Him.

Our bodies...meh. Just meat sacks.

Let the wolves feast.

If the state of the planet isn't enough evidence of the fallacy of man following his own way...I guess you won't be convinced.
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Our SOULS are safe in Him.

Our bodies...meh. Just meat sacks.

Let the wolves feast.

If the state of the planet isn't enough evidence of the fallacy of man following his own way...I guess you won't be convinced.
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What is your problem with the state of the planet?

Sure we have some problems but the big picture is quite good.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Regards
DL
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Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?

Scriptures say that God gave Satan/Super Wolf dominion over the earth and the power to deceive all of us on this world.

Jesus often used the shepherd and sheep analogy in scriptures.

Following that analogy and the fact that Jesus has been gone for some time now, one must wonder why, if our souls are so important to Jesus, he has left us and past generations at Satan’s mercy.

No shepherd I ever heard of would be so irresponsible to his duty to his flock.
Especially since scriptures tell us that more sheep will be taken by Satan than protected by the shepherd.

Another breach of duty, FMPOV, is that Satan has been sentenced to hell by God, yet justice delayed is considered justice denied by most and God is denying mankind that justice.

I appreciate the free will argument that some might put but our free will was rescinded by God the moment he gave Satan the power to deceive us against our will. That situation is depicted somewhat in this clip which speaks to God letting Satan have his way with us.

[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]



This clip is just to show what some think of the shepherd analogy.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Can you shed some light on these two issues for me?

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You're not at the mercy of anyone or anything. Get off your knees.
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Our SOULS are safe in Him.

Our bodies...meh. Just meat sacks.

Let the wolves feast.

If the state of the planet isn't enough evidence of the fallacy of man following his own way...I guess you won't be convinced.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


What is your problem with the state of the planet?

Sure we have some problems but the big picture is quite good.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Regards
DL
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all the extreme weather events dont give you a clue?

The planet is NOT happy with her inhabitants and came very close to shaking us off like fleas several times. Divine intervention saved us.

The 3 Days of Darkness will heal the planet, after those with evil in their hearts are removed. The planet will then be cleaned up.
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It's an example of free will.
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You're not at the mercy of anyone or anything. Get off your knees.
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I bend the knee to no one.

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all the extreme weather events dont give you a clue?

The planet is NOT happy with her inhabitants and came very close to shaking us off like fleas several times. Divine intervention saved us.

The 3 Days of Darkness will heal the planet, after those with evil in their hearts are removed. The planet will then be cleaned up.
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Thanks for sharing your woo filled fantasy.

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