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When I encounter someone who claims they are Atheist, it makes me wonder about what Atheism truly is.

The central thesis proposed by Atheism is that god does not exist, however, what most people don't realize is that "GOD" is central and key to the belief. God is the ground upon which Atheism is built on, however, the only catch is, that Atheists denounce god... but how can they truly be Atheist if god is central to their thesis? Meaning.. if there was no god, then Atheism would not be possible as a concept.

You cannot use something you do not believe in as a central point in your thesis, correct? Atheism seems like a joke that is being played on the ignorant. A true atheist would never call themselves an Atheist, because Atheism immediately locks you in to "god" or the lack of "god".. but God is still very much part of the belief structure.

Make sense?
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When I encounter someone who claims they are Atheist, it makes me wonder about what Atheism truly is.

The central thesis proposed by Atheism is that god does not exist, however, what most people don't realize is that "GOD" is central and key to the belief. God is the ground upon which Atheism is built on, however, the only catch is, that Atheists denounce god... but how can they truly be Atheist if god is central to their thesis? Meaning.. if there was no god, then Atheism would not be possible as a concept.

You cannot use something you do not believe in as a central point in your thesis, correct? Atheism seems like a joke that is being played on the ignorant. A true atheist would never call themselves an Atheist, because Atheism immediately locks you in to "god" or the lack of "god".. but God is still very much part of the belief structure.

Make sense?
 Quoting: PigsInSpace


Atheists are believers but probably their god is money, possessions, etc. So you are correct, there is no true atheist.
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Yeah I think Atheists just lie to themselves.
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Whatever - just find some way to accept them as-is. It would be borderline Christlike.
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Whatever - just find some way to accept them as-is. It would be borderline Christlike.
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I think it is the other way around
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Make sense?
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No
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People who KNOW there's no God.

People who KNOW there's a God.

All fools and dreamers.
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Whatever - just find some way to accept them as-is. It would be borderline Christlike.
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I have no problem with Atheists at all, I just think its amusing/ironic how the central point of their argument is god, which totally negates the entire belief structure. It's almost as if gods omnipotence is proven even through disbelief, since you are investing belief in god, albeit from the "I do not believe" stance.
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Make sense?
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No
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I can clarify my theory if you wish, go ahead and ask a question.
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Most of them believe in aliens.cool2
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Is it basically saying that Atheists aren't really Atheists because if God somehow revealed himself, Atheists would become theists?
We were meant to live for so much more, have we lost ourselves?
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I have no reason to follow any religion. Maybe there is some "higher power", but nobody knows what it is.
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Yeah I think Atheists just lie to themselves.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


I honestly think they have been "had", so to speak. It's almost as if a more advanced theology is testing you, because when you really deconstruct the belief structure, it becomes clear that god is essential to being an Atheist.
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Make sense?
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No
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I can clarify my theory if you wish, go ahead and ask a question.
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I don't believe in religion. Just like I don't believe in other ridiculous shit.
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Most of them believe in aliens.cool2
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Yeah, now that is hilarious! How convenient! Yet you don't hear them whinging about having evidence for them. rofl
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Whatever - just find some way to accept them as-is. It would be borderline Christlike.
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I have no problem with Atheists at all, I just think its amusing/ironic how the central point of their argument is god, which totally negates the entire belief structure. It's almost as if gods omnipotence is proven even through disbelief, since you are investing belief in god, albeit from the "I do not believe" stance.
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The atheists I know don't dwell on any of that mess. They're mostly focused on being decent people. If we Christers could follow that kind of example, we might actually be getting somewhere.
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Is it basically saying that Atheists aren't really Atheists because if God somehow revealed himself, Atheists would become theists?
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I believe that atheists aren't really atheists because without god, there would be no atheism at all. How can something which does not exist act as a central point in their belief structure?
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Yeah I think Atheists just lie to themselves.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


I honestly think they have been "had", so to speak. It's almost as if a more advanced theology is testing you, because when you really deconstruct the belief structure, it becomes clear that god is essential to being an Atheist.
 Quoting: PigsInSpace


Yeah.

They get really pissed when you show that Atheism is a religion. The truth hurts I guess. lol

[link to creation.com]
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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When I encounter someone who claims they are Atheist, it makes me wonder about what Atheism truly is.

The central thesis proposed by Atheism is that god does not exist, however, what most people don't realize is that "GOD" is central and key to the belief. God is the ground upon which Atheism is built on, however, the only catch is, that Atheists denounce god... but how can they truly be Atheist if god is central to their thesis? Meaning.. if there was no god, then Atheism would not be possible as a concept.

You cannot use something you do not believe in as a central point in your thesis, correct? Atheism seems like a joke that is being played on the ignorant. A true atheist would never call themselves an Atheist, because Atheism immediately locks you in to "god" or the lack of "god".. but God is still very much part of the belief structure.

Make sense?
 Quoting: PigsInSpace

When I encounter someone who claims they are Christian, it makes me wonder what Christianity is truly about?

The central thesis proposed by Christianity is that the Bible God exists, what most people don't realize is that "non belief in some God" is central and the key to their belief. God cannot be proven, so they are left with their fantasies. So a belief in the invisible sky daddy is the ground upon with Chritianity is built on. The only catch is that Christians denounce evolution, so how CAN they truly be Christian if this unbelief in evolution is central to their thesis. Meaning, if there was no theory of evolution, then Christianity would not be possible as a concept.

You cannot use something you do not believe in, like evolution, as the central point in your thesis, correct? Christianity seems like a joke that is being played on the ignorant. These people believe in talking donkeys, people who raise up from the grave after rotting in some there for days, a man who sacrificed his daughter to God because God let him win some battle. To any NORMAL, thinking adult, this whole thing would be ludicrous. But Christians use the argument that evolution is a false teaching, a tool of Satan, and Satan is another one of their imaginary characters. They win ALL arguments by telling themselves lies.

So the real truth, that life evolved on planet earth, is still very much a part of their belief structure. A true believer would not call himself a Christian because the figure in the Bible named Christ never really existed. He is as false as Paul Bunyan. So this makes me wonder what Christianity is all about? MAKE SENSE??
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Make sense?
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No
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I can clarify my theory if you wish, go ahead and ask a question.
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I don't believe in religion. Just like I don't believe in other ridiculous shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26646277


Religion is a tool. You can use religion to build or to destroy. I can use a bread knife to share my dinner with you, or to hurt you with it. That's essentially what it is.
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Yeah I think Atheists just lie to themselves.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


I honestly think they have been "had", so to speak. It's almost as if a more advanced theology is testing you, because when you really deconstruct the belief structure, it becomes clear that god is essential to being an Atheist.
 Quoting: PigsInSpace


Yeah.

They get really pissed when you show that Atheism is a religion. The truth hurts I guess. lol

[link to creation.com]
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Lol exactly!
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When I encounter someone who claims they are Atheist, it makes me wonder about what Atheism truly is.

The central thesis proposed by Atheism is that god does not exist, however, what most people don't realize is that "GOD" is central and key to the belief. God is the ground upon which Atheism is built on, however, the only catch is, that Atheists denounce god... but how can they truly be Atheist if god is central to their thesis? Meaning.. if there was no god, then Atheism would not be possible as a concept.

You cannot use something you do not believe in as a central point in your thesis, correct? Atheism seems like a joke that is being played on the ignorant. A true atheist would never call themselves an Atheist, because Atheism immediately locks you in to "god" or the lack of "god".. but God is still very much part of the belief structure.

Make sense?
 Quoting: PigsInSpace


no.
utter nonsense.

Replace the word god with pink unicorns and apply it to yourself.

By your shitty logic nobody can claim they don't believe in pink unicorns.

Very poor work, you embarrass yourself and give all of us fair warning to ignore anything you have to say in the future.
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Yeah I think Atheists just lie to themselves.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


I honestly think they have been "had", so to speak. It's almost as if a more advanced theology is testing you, because when you really deconstruct the belief structure, it becomes clear that god is essential to being an Atheist.
 Quoting: PigsInSpace


Yeah.

They get really pissed when you show that Atheism is a religion. The truth hurts I guess. lol

[link to creation.com]
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Lol exactly!
 Quoting: PigsInSpace


tounge
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Most of them believe in aliens.cool2
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Ha! Well put!
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When I encounter someone who claims they are Atheist, it makes me wonder about what Atheism truly is.

The central thesis proposed by Atheism is that god does not exist, however, what most people don't realize is that "GOD" is central and key to the belief. God is the ground upon which Atheism is built on, however, the only catch is, that Atheists denounce god... but how can they truly be Atheist if god is central to their thesis? Meaning.. if there was no god, then Atheism would not be possible as a concept.

You cannot use something you do not believe in as a central point in your thesis, correct? Atheism seems like a joke that is being played on the ignorant. A true atheist would never call themselves an Atheist, because Atheism immediately locks you in to "god" or the lack of "god".. but God is still very much part of the belief structure.

Make sense?
 Quoting: PigsInSpace


no.
utter nonsense.

Replace the word god with pink unicorns and apply it to yourself.

By your shitty logic nobody can claim they don't believe in pink unicorns.

Very poor work, you embarrass yourself and give all of us fair warning to ignore anything you have to say in the future.
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Yes, but there is no ideology that deals with pink unicorns. You are using a hypothetical situation to counter my argument. In this case, that cannot work since there are hundreds of thousands of people who claim they are Atheists.. and zero people who claim they believe in pink unicorns.

So in fact, it is your logic that is flawed. Nice try though!
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Thought this was a good one. lmaopopcorn

Atheism is a religion.

Atheism IS a religion. I know that some have made that statement without much evidence. And I know that atheists themselves heatedly deny it. I’ve heard their rejoinders: If atheism is a religion, then not playing baseball is a sport. Or, atheism is to religion what bald is to hair color. Clever. I guess I don’t blame them for denying it, but denying something doesn’t prove it is not there. (I would advise any atheist readers to re-read the previous sentence until BOTH meanings sink in.)
A religion doesn’t have to posit a god who must be identified or worshiped. Some religions are polytheistic (Hinduism, Mormonism), some monotheistic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), some non-theistic (Buddhism). I’d say the new atheists and their religion are “anti-theistic.” But their atheism is religious nonetheless. Consider this:

They have their own worldview. Materialism (the view that the material world is all there is) is the lens through which atheists view the world. Far from being the open-minded, follow-the-evidence-wherever thinkers they claim to be, they interpret all data ONLY within the very narrow worldview of materialism. They are like a guy wearing dark sunglasses who chides all others for thinking the sun is out.

They have their own orthodoxy. Orthodoxy is a set of beliefs acceptable to a faith community. Just as there are orthodox Christian beliefs, there is an atheist orthodoxy as well. In brief, it is that EVERYTHING can be explained as the product of unintentional, undirected, purposeless evolution. No truth claim is acceptable if it cannot be subjected to scientific scrutiny.

They have their own brand of apostasy. Apostasy is to abandon one’s former religious faith. Antony Flew was for many years one of the world’s most prominent atheists. And then he did the unthinkable: he changed his mind. You can imagine the response of the “open-minded, tolerant” New Atheist movement. Flew was vilified. Richard Dawkins accused Flew of “tergiversation.” It’s a fancy word for apostasy. By their own admission, then, Flew abandoned their “faith.”

They have their own prophets: Nietzsche, Russell, Feuerbach, Lenin, Marx.

They have their own messiah: He is, of course, Charles Darwin. Darwin – in their view – drove the definitive stake through the heart of theism by providing a comprehensive explanation of life that never needs God as a cause or explanation. Daniel Dennett has even written a book seeking to define religious faith itself as merely an evolutionary development.

They have their own preachers and evangelists. And boy, are they “evangelistic.” Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens (Speaking of which, our prayers goes out to Christopher Hitchens in hopes of a speedy recovery for his cancer, we need more time with him Lord) are NOT out to ask that atheism be given respect. They are seeking converts. They are preaching a “gospel” calling for the end of theism.

They have faith. That’s right, faith. They would have you believe the opposite. Their writings ridicule faith, condemn faith. Harris’s book is called The End of Faith. But theirs is a faith-based enterprise. The existence of God cannot be proven or disproven. To deny it takes faith. Evolution has no explanation for why our universe is orderly, predictable, measurable. In fact (atheistic) evolutionary theory has no rational explanation for why there is such a thing as rational explanation. There is no accounting for the things they hope you won’t ask: Why do we have self-awareness? What makes us conscious? From what source is there a universal sense of right and wrong? They just take such unexplained things by … faith.

There are days when evil and suffering are hard to explain, even for the most ardent follower of God. There are questions we cannot answer. There are days when every honest Christian will admit doubt. But we don’t become atheists. It is because our soul JUST KNOWS that God is there. And maybe because atheism is a religion that requires too much untenable faith.
Not only is Atheism a religion, the entire premise is a negative proof fallacy.

Last Edited by TheSeventhGate on 12/10/2012 04:29 PM
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Thought this was a good one. lmaopopcorn

Atheism is a religion.

Atheism IS a religion. I know that some have made that statement without much evidence. And I know that atheists themselves heatedly deny it. I’ve heard their rejoinders: If atheism is a religion, then not playing baseball is a sport. Or, atheism is to religion what bald is to hair color. Clever. I guess I don’t blame them for denying it, but denying something doesn’t prove it is not there. (I would advise any atheist readers to re-read the previous sentence until BOTH meanings sink in.)
A religion doesn’t have to posit a god who must be identified or worshiped. Some religions are polytheistic (Hinduism, Mormonism), some monotheistic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), some non-theistic (Buddhism). I’d say the new atheists and their religion are “anti-theistic.” But their atheism is religious nonetheless. Consider this:

They have their own worldview. Materialism (the view that the material world is all there is) is the lens through which atheists view the world. Far from being the open-minded, follow-the-evidence-wherever thinkers they claim to be, they interpret all data ONLY within the very narrow worldview of materialism. They are like a guy wearing dark sunglasses who chides all others for thinking the sun is out.

They have their own orthodoxy. Orthodoxy is a set of beliefs acceptable to a faith community. Just as there are orthodox Christian beliefs, there is an atheist orthodoxy as well. In brief, it is that EVERYTHING can be explained as the product of unintentional, undirected, purposeless evolution. No truth claim is acceptable if it cannot be subjected to scientific scrutiny.

They have their own brand of apostasy. Apostasy is to abandon one’s former religious faith. Antony Flew was for many years one of the world’s most prominent atheists. And then he did the unthinkable: he changed his mind. You can imagine the response of the “open-minded, tolerant” New Atheist movement. Flew was vilified. Richard Dawkins accused Flew of “tergiversation.” It’s a fancy word for apostasy. By their own admission, then, Flew abandoned their “faith.”

They have their own prophets: Nietzsche, Russell, Feuerbach, Lenin, Marx.

They have their own messiah: He is, of course, Charles Darwin. Darwin – in their view – drove the definitive stake through the heart of theism by providing a comprehensive explanation of life that never needs God as a cause or explanation. Daniel Dennett has even written a book seeking to define religious faith itself as merely an evolutionary development.

They have their own preachers and evangelists. And boy, are they “evangelistic.” Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens (Speaking of which, our prayers goes out to Christopher Hitchens in hopes of a speedy recovery for his cancer, we need more time with him Lord) are NOT out to ask that atheism be given respect. They are seeking converts. They are preaching a “gospel” calling for the end of theism.

They have faith. That’s right, faith. They would have you believe the opposite. Their writings ridicule faith, condemn faith. Harris’s book is called The End of Faith. But theirs is a faith-based enterprise. The existence of God cannot be proven or disproven. To deny it takes faith. Evolution has no explanation for why our universe is orderly, predictable, measurable. In fact (atheistic) evolutionary theory has no rational explanation for why there is such a thing as rational explanation. There is no accounting for the things they hope you won’t ask: Why do we have self-awareness? What makes us conscious? From what source is there a universal sense of right and wrong? They just take such unexplained things by … faith.

There are days when evil and suffering are hard to explain, even for the most ardent follower of God. There are questions we cannot answer. There are days when every honest Christian will admit doubt. But we don’t become atheists. It is because our soul JUST KNOWS that God is there. And maybe because atheism is a religion that requires too much untenable faith.
Not only is Atheism a religion, the entire premise is a negative proof fallacy.
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This was excellent! Thanks for sharing!
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Is it basically saying that Atheists aren't really Atheists because if God somehow revealed himself, Atheists would become theists?
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I believe that atheists aren't really atheists because without god, there would be no atheism at all. How can something which does not exist act as a central point in their belief structure?
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I think i'm understanding what you're saying, albeit its still a bit foreign to me, but you've got me thinking. It somewhat reminds me of Religious people calling out other denominations and saying they are not "real Christians" or "real Muslims".
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Thought this was a good one. lmaopopcorn

Atheism is a religion.

Atheism IS a religion. I know that some have made that statement without much evidence. And I know that atheists themselves heatedly deny it. I’ve heard their rejoinders: If atheism is a religion, then not playing baseball is a sport. Or, atheism is to religion what bald is to hair color. Clever. I guess I don’t blame them for denying it, but denying something doesn’t prove it is not there. (I would advise any atheist readers to re-read the previous sentence until BOTH meanings sink in.)
A religion doesn’t have to posit a god who must be identified or worshiped. Some religions are polytheistic (Hinduism, Mormonism), some monotheistic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), some non-theistic (Buddhism). I’d say the new atheists and their religion are “anti-theistic.” But their atheism is religious nonetheless. Consider this:

They have their own worldview. Materialism (the view that the material world is all there is) is the lens through which atheists view the world. Far from being the open-minded, follow-the-evidence-wherever thinkers they claim to be, they interpret all data ONLY within the very narrow worldview of materialism. They are like a guy wearing dark sunglasses who chides all others for thinking the sun is out.

They have their own orthodoxy. Orthodoxy is a set of beliefs acceptable to a faith community. Just as there are orthodox Christian beliefs, there is an atheist orthodoxy as well. In brief, it is that EVERYTHING can be explained as the product of unintentional, undirected, purposeless evolution. No truth claim is acceptable if it cannot be subjected to scientific scrutiny.

They have their own brand of apostasy. Apostasy is to abandon one’s former religious faith. Antony Flew was for many years one of the world’s most prominent atheists. And then he did the unthinkable: he changed his mind. You can imagine the response of the “open-minded, tolerant” New Atheist movement. Flew was vilified. Richard Dawkins accused Flew of “tergiversation.” It’s a fancy word for apostasy. By their own admission, then, Flew abandoned their “faith.”

They have their own prophets: Nietzsche, Russell, Feuerbach, Lenin, Marx.

They have their own messiah: He is, of course, Charles Darwin. Darwin – in their view – drove the definitive stake through the heart of theism by providing a comprehensive explanation of life that never needs God as a cause or explanation. Daniel Dennett has even written a book seeking to define religious faith itself as merely an evolutionary development.

They have their own preachers and evangelists. And boy, are they “evangelistic.” Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens (Speaking of which, our prayers goes out to Christopher Hitchens in hopes of a speedy recovery for his cancer, we need more time with him Lord) are NOT out to ask that atheism be given respect. They are seeking converts. They are preaching a “gospel” calling for the end of theism.

They have faith. That’s right, faith. They would have you believe the opposite. Their writings ridicule faith, condemn faith. Harris’s book is called The End of Faith. But theirs is a faith-based enterprise. The existence of God cannot be proven or disproven. To deny it takes faith. Evolution has no explanation for why our universe is orderly, predictable, measurable. In fact (atheistic) evolutionary theory has no rational explanation for why there is such a thing as rational explanation. There is no accounting for the things they hope you won’t ask: Why do we have self-awareness? What makes us conscious? From what source is there a universal sense of right and wrong? They just take such unexplained things by … faith.

There are days when evil and suffering are hard to explain, even for the most ardent follower of God. There are questions we cannot answer. There are days when every honest Christian will admit doubt. But we don’t become atheists. It is because our soul JUST KNOWS that God is there. And maybe because atheism is a religion that requires too much untenable faith.
Not only is Atheism a religion, the entire premise is a negative proof fallacy.
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This was excellent! Thanks for sharing!
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The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
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Where are you Worldtards? tounge
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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First off, there shouldn't even be a word, atheist. You are the people who believe that some invisible sky daddy is up there loving you. If you weren't such egomaniacs, there wouldn't be such a thing as Christianity. You don't want to die and not exist so you pretend that some invisible man lives in the sky (Santa Claus) and he loves you. You pretend you will get some big reward when you die, you will live forever with all your friends and relatives and pets in some big palace. WHY??? Oh, because you BELIEVE. That's it.

You think that your belief is such a grand thing but what you don't realize is that you only BELIEVE because you are a weak, childlike individual who can't accept your own mortality. If you would only grow up, you would see how foolish it is to believe some invisible man in the sky loves you and can read your thoughts and gives a shit what you do. You are a little nothing. Grow up and realize it.

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