True Atheism is impossible.

You may believe in whatever you wish. That is your own choice, of course. But please allow non-believers to believe in nothing, if they choose. I think you are clinging to this idea of "god", which ever God that should happen to be, because you WANT a God to exist. I could be wrong, but I think it is a probable explanation of why most people believe in God. They NEED to have this belief, whether or not it is real.

The unreality of your world is obvious to me. You see this beauty of creation all around you and you think "GOD." But what about children who are suffering from cancer? What about children who are abused? What about animals that are abused and die? Children and animals are innocent. Yet "GOD" allows this to happen. Where is God is a good question? THis world operates EXACTLY as if no God exists and chances are very good that one doesn't.

I am not talking only about Christians clinging to some God. This could apply to Mormons, Jehovah's Witness or Scientologists, etc. People believe in Gods because it gives them some type of hope. But please be considerate of the fact that some people don't have the need to have faith in that sort of thing. I am perfectly happy without faith or belief in any type of God. The fact that I will die and cease to exist doesn't really bother me. I am happy with the life I have. People always have to have more, more, more, that is one reason why they cling to the hope of some afterlife. The fact is that this is all there is...just today.

I am sorry to say that I doubt very much that anyone lives forever. I believe in evolution which is a cure for Christianity and all religion. If you study evolution in college, you will see that it is a very complex subject that requires a lot of study. The more YOU learn, the more you might understand that this is how human life came to be.

God cannot intervene

You must be using some kind of special definition of the word logic that doesn't apply to the rest of us. He was making fun of you but to put his critique in more abstract terms.

By your logic about atheists and God, it would be impossible to truly disbelieve anything because once you've defined the thing you supposedly disbelieve, you're relying on that definition to make your statement.

The fact that there's an "ideology" around the thing is irrelevant. Your logic is fallacious. It's easier to explain why in symbolic logic but that would take a long time and let's be honest, you don't really want a logical argument about this, you want to be able to hold onto your a priori belief in the supernatural without feeling stupid in the modern world. I sympathize.

Have you sacrificed a goat to Zeus today? or prayed 5 times to Mecca? washed a sacred cow for Vishnu? Your arguement is silly unless you believe in every God from every recognised Religion.

Give me 1 fact that god exists :?
I Can Give you 1 fact that god doesn't exist !

My religion has no enemies.

You are mistaken. You have not studied enough. Have you ever looked at the origins of religion, or studied esoteric religion? The religion we have today are forgeries, dismal, and pathetic copies of something much more powerful and beautiful. Do not let the ruling class dictate what religion is to you. Religion was born of very high intelligence, and high intelligence was used to forge it and enslave mankind.

oh gawd save us from this person who wants to re-invent religion...

There is no need to re-invent anything. Do you know where religion originated from? What was it that inspired religion? or the "commune with god"?

If you can answer that, I may start taking you seriously, but I doubt you have the knowledge.

You are mistaken. You have not studied enough. Have you ever looked at the origins of religion, or studied esoteric religion? The religion we have today are forgeries, dismal, and pathetic copies of something much more powerful and beautiful. Do not let the ruling class dictate what religion is to you. Religion was born of very high intelligence, and high intelligence was used to forge it and enslave mankind.

When I encounter someone who claims they are Atheist, it makes me wonder about what Atheism truly is.

The central thesis proposed by Atheism is that god does not exist, however, what most people don't realize is that "GOD" is central and key to the belief. God is the ground upon which Atheism is built on, however, the only catch is, that Atheists denounce god... but how can they truly be Atheist if god is central to their thesis? Meaning.. if there was no god, then Atheism would not be possible as a concept.

You cannot use something you do not believe in as a central point in your thesis, correct? Atheism seems like a joke that is being played on the ignorant. A true atheist would never call themselves an Atheist, because Atheism immediately locks you in to "god" or the lack of "god".. but God is still very much part of the belief structure.

Make sense?

screw yer "god". There is no God. God doesn't exist.

screw yer "god". There is no God. God doesn't exist.

My god waits for you. It's funny, at one point in my life, I shared your perspective, and I cured it with knowledge. There is more than enough proof for the existence of a supreme intelligence/love in this universe. You just have to want to seek it. This supreme intelligence will not condemn you or turn its back on you. You have as many life times as you wish to denounce it, sooner or later, you, just like everyone else.. will experience the power of it. It is your right to understand the mysteries of creation, you just have to be ready for them.

and who was created the wisest/most intelligent of all in the God's Whole Creation? How is the Prince of the Air and and of the world?

When I encounter someone who claims they are Atheist, it makes me wonder about what Atheism truly is.

The central thesis proposed by Atheism is that god does not exist, however, what most people don't realize is that "GOD" is central and key to the belief. God is the ground upon which Atheism is built on, however, the only catch is, that Atheists denounce god... but how can they truly be Atheist if god is central to their thesis? Meaning.. if there was no god, then Atheism would not be possible as a concept.

You cannot use something you do not believe in as a central point in your thesis, correct? Atheism seems like a joke that is being played on the ignorant. A true atheist would never call themselves an Atheist, because Atheism immediately locks you in to "god" or the lack of "god".. but God is still very much part of the belief structure.

Make sense?

No. It doesn't.

God is an idea proposed by theists (believers). Atheists are merely those who have not been convinced by any of your arguments. They do not believe. They have no need for your mental crutch.

The fact that one knows a word does NOT mean one believes in the concept it represents!

Atheists do not denounce god. They just don't believe in it. Why should I denounce something I do not believe in?

I denounce RELIGION because of the evil it commits and the indoctrination it imposes, especially on children.

an atheist doesn't need someone else to dictate morality to them. they know for themselves what is moral. when someone tells me what morality is and is not a big red flag pops up screaming this person has control issues and their moral compass is distorted. IE: religion.
Many religious peoples make vast assumptions about atheists without knowing anything about the person. Just because they need a guide book on how to live does not mean everyone else does as well. Morality comes from within. its when we stop listening to ourself we get into trouble and become manipulated for an-others agenda which is why so many religious people are belligerent hypocrites and cause more damage than good.

I hate these bait-and-switch discussions.

The faither starts by asking why you don't believe. Almost immediately, he broadens it to a largely theoretical discussion in which he wants you to be making the argument that no faith of whatever kind has substance or value.

He is just biding his time, though. The moment you admit that, yes, it is not impossible for something resembling gods somewhat to exist somewhere, he says "So what about joining my church, then?"

No, sorry. Save your hypotheticals. You come in here dragging the hoary old carcass of mainstream American Christianity, you can damn well remain shackled to that rotting hulk of an ancient death-cult.

Not exactly sure where we disagree because I do not. Morality does come from within, however.. everyone needs an education. Without an education, you will have no morality.

true morality can be taught, what is bothersome is an imposed morality like what patriarchal religions have done to indigenous peoples throughout history. or judgement of others lifestyles when the judged are not hurting anyone else. these are the contentious situations that many religions impose on others creating a kind of immoral hypocrisy.
btw im not an atheist i just respect their decision to be and can actually understand why they would come to that conclusion. everyone is where they are supposed to be. what irks me to no end is when someone judges because the other person does not think the same way as them. its the cause of much of mankinds turmoil.

true morality can be taught, what is bothersome is an imposed morality like what patriarchal religions have done to indigenous peoples throughout history. or judgement of others lifestyles when the judged are not hurting anyone else. these are the contentious situations that many religions impose on others creating a kind of immoral hypocrisy.
btw im not an atheist i just respect their decision to be and can actually understand why they would come to that conclusion. everyone is where they are supposed to be. what irks me to no end is when someone judges because the other person does not think the same way as them. its the cause of much of mankinds turmoil.

I feel morality stems from empathy, or the ability to demonstrate empathy. An individual who demonstrates zero ability to feel empathy will have no morals and we often see this with serial killers. An individual with an excellent capacity to feel empathy with have a very strong moral compass.

I admittedly get annoyed in other threads when I see others suggesting that we need religion to teach morality to children. Why don't we leave out all the bullshit and teach/reinforce empathy and sensitivity rather than fear of 'God' or fear of judgement of 'God'??? There is no learning involved when your behavior is dictated by threatsof punishement. Learning/Understanding has to come from the heart.

I was a 13 year old child at the time of my NDE.
I do believe in a Christ consciousness because I saw it/him and it/him spoke to me and showed me many mysteries before returning.

If there is a religion, that is close at all, to what I experienced. It would be the Christian religion. Because of the creating source and the Christ consciousness that brings you into the glory of that realm. Love is the predominate force of that realm, and if love does not exist in your soul, you cannot enter into that realm.

Yes, a separation from god does exist and must exist while we are embodied. Or everyone would probably kill themselves to get back what they remembered their existence was like before incarnation.

I think that is well written. I'm not sure whether or not most Atheists believe that. I don't know many who actually research Atheism but may take on the label. The label implies certain things and that is where the danger may lie. I'm just speaking in the surface mainstream sense. I'm just saying that Atheism is basically impossible because it cannot exist without the concept of god, and since they don't believe in god, it kind of puts a really ironic twist on the whole thing.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled on you, was to convince you that RELIGION as a concept is evil, and that it is not man who wields religion in an evil way. I could kill you with a butter knife, does that make a butter knife evil?

Religion is a tool wielded by corrupted individuals. They have forged it, leaving only the bare essentials, whispers of what once was, so that they would entice the human soul in it. There is deep truth hidden in the lies.. that is what draws millions of people to religion, familiarity.. You must cure your perception of religion with education, by learning the true and holy religion of the ancient era's. The truth that has been hidden from you purposefully.

The way religion is taught today is an ingenious corruption. For one, it repels people form the idea of religion, and 2. It fools the uneducated with false doctrine. WIN WIN.

The individuals whom have stolen your right to religion are smarter than you. You seek to blame a concept for the actions of man. How can anyone be accountable if ideas are killing people?

Think. Open your mind. You have not figured it all out.

Finally. The intention of my post was to point out the irony of atheism. You do not believe in god, but without god, you could not even have that non belief.