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"When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":

 
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Subject: God VS Science

'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.'

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir, 'the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.

‘Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!’ He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him.. How is this Jesus
good? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er..yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir..'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not..'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question
of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

'Yes. ’

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold
is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation.. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains...'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell me, professor.. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean..' The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
professor's brain?'

The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who hasever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So,
according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I Guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it Every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in The multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.

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PS: the student was Albert Einstein.

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled God vs. Science in 1921...
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This is slander, scientists have a brain, they have thoughts. They can see into the mind of God as well as anyone.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Have YOU SEEN their brains? Or do you simply take this on "Faith"?

Do you accept, on "Faith" that their "Brains" are rational?

Or are you simply "Pre-Judging" their "Authority"?

Hmmm ...

(PS- WHAT created their Brains ...)
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Actually we have seen their brains on a 3-d plane, layer by layer. Magnetic resonance imaging, MRI.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
This is all very limited semantic playing around. Philospehers never use thier wonderful findings in any practical way.
In truth there is no good or evil only perception and awareness.
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I absolutely love "When The Student is Ready...The TEACHER APPEARS"!!! That is awesome and I'm sharing with all my friends and family!
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
We have see "Brains"...

"Actually we have seen their brains on a 3-d plane, layer by layer. Magnetic resonance imaging, MRI.".


Not our "Professors" brains.
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"Philosophers" ...

Have made as huge an impact on society as any Scientist.

Science is based on the study of the philosophers and deep thinkers.
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Agreed, but philosophy is held captive at the moment.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Albert Einstein: God, Religion & Theology
Explaining Einstein's understanding of God as the Universe / Reality

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)
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" ... it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

Is he not saying that "Science" cannot explain it all?
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
The God that Einstein believed in is not the "God" you speak of, nor that your fake quote refers to.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
What... ?

Your predjudices condemn you.

I have made NO statement about my Personal beliefs.


YOU have attacked me, with no documentation.

You just hate...
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What... ?

Your predjudices condemn you.

I have made NO statement about my Personal beliefs.


YOU have attacked me, with no documentation.

You just hate...
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Hi, OP. I really like what you posted. Thank you.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
You'll be smokin a hot turd in purgatory fer that one lad.
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What... ?

Your predjudices condemn you.

I have made NO statement about my Personal beliefs.


YOU have attacked me, with no documentation.

You just hate...
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Nope. I'm just a mirror.

Do note that Einstein was a poor student in school.

And that he spoke German.

I've seen that quote in the original post before. It is slander.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Thank You.

You're welcome.

Just wanted to show the thoughts of one of the Greatest "Open Thinkers" in history.

I appreciate YOUR comment.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Try ... Try... Try...

"Won't WE DIE "TRYING"?"
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Don't you get it man?

The long narrative you posted was not a quote of Einstein. It was invented by a Christian apologist. It is not true nor valid.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
BTW...


He also spoke English ...
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Show me where he repudiated the quote...

I am open-minded...

I will retract my post, if you can show me were HE repudiated it.
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He was long dead when the quote was created.

You tell me, why didn't he go on to champion the belief in God? Indeed your other, real, quotes of him seem to invalid the first narrative.
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Of anyday on Gods green earth, today I needed that. It meant something for me and I thank you, OP.hf
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
The scenario fails to answer the main question:

1. IF God is in control of everything, and
2. IF God is infinitely loving

THEN why would God even bother to create a spectrum of love? i.e., absolute-evil at the opposite end of absolute-love.

It is only logical that if God is infinitely loving then "love" would be CONSTANT and not variable.

Next time you see innocent life ripped from someone, you can count on that fact God gave the OK, because if He didn't it would have never occurred.

BTW the student in the scenario creates an absurd, irrelevant, straw man argument.

goodevil
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Regardless of the creator of the story, before you cast stones, realize some of us out here read it for what it was and just maybe it gave needed FAITH.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Indeed, but prejudice and slander of scientists doesn't help anyone's faith.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Meant a LOT to ME... On this day! TOO!
Thank You!

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Hey ...

My Canadian Friend ...

I appreciate your sincere antagonism against this post. Really!


Why not just let us be Happy for a while?


You don't Believe ...

OK.

Have a nice Life!

Based upon YOUR thoughts.

Please...

Let US be happy for this time!

Thanks...

And "God Bless"!
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
And ... REALLY:


"Predjudice and Slander"?


If you saw it that way ...

I apologize.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Meant a LOT to ME... On this day! TOO!
Thank You!

-----------------

Hey ...

My Canadian Friend ...

I appreciate your sincere antagonism against this post. Really!


Why not just let us be Happy for a while?


You don't Believe ...

OK.

Have a nice Life!

Based upon YOUR thoughts.

Please...

Let US be happy for this time!

Thanks...

And "God Bless"!
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That's the problem we are having my friend.

I do believe. Very much so. Slander is not the path to take.

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