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"When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":

 
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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still don't understand the "Slander" accusation...

I simply posted a 'quote' that I came across.

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Not being confrontational ...

How is this "Slander"?

(For MY edification)?
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(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
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"'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains...'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell me, professor.. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'"

This bit.

How did you intend to portray "scientists" and "science"?

"David" the christian kid vs "Goliath" the big atheist knuckle-walker is what it looks like.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
I had NO intention of "portraying "Scientists" in ANY light...

Did YOU see the post as an "ATTACK" on Scientists?

I am sorry ...

I GREATLY appreciate... and owe my LIFE to Science and Scientists ...

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SO Many Billions of us DO!

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I am NOT antagonistic toward Science, OR Scientists!

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I just appreciate that GOD has Blessed us with greater minds than mine!

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But THOSE minds came from God ... in MY belief!
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12/10/2012 08:54 PM
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Well then my apologies are due, and perhaps you should start a clean thread, and if so I'll keep my antagonism far away this time.

You must understand, however, that I have seen that very narrative used specifically to slander atheists before and try to make them feel stupid. If we show them where God lies without making them feel like fools, then I think that is the better way.
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I absolutely love "When The Student is Ready...The TEACHER APPEARS"!!! That is awesome and I'm sharing with all my friends and family!
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Me too

hf
There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange ~ Daniel Webster

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The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates

That writer does the most, who gives his reader the most knowledge, and takes from him the least time. ~ Charles Caleb Colton
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
I am supposing, (maybe incorrectly), that YOU are involved in Science or Research?


What scares you?

Why can't you ... (Having an 'Open Mind') ... As a Scientist ...

Accept that there MIGHT be a "Greater Power", That MIGHT 'guide' you to study, in your "Chosen" field?

What ... Who ... Lead YOU in the direction that you have 'chosen' to focus on?

Ever think that, Maybe, a "Higher Power" MIGHT have lead YOU in this direction?

... Based on specific "Gifts" that you have been "Given"?

Just a question ...
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AND...

I DO appreciate your position.

I believe in God. You don't.

And I hate that some would attack you.

Time and experience proves all things!

(Wow! Now I am talking like a Scientist)!

Hah!

God Bless!
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
I am supposing, (maybe incorrectly), that YOU are involved in Science or Research?


What scares you?

Why can't you ... (Having an 'Open Mind') ... As a Scientist ...

Accept that there MIGHT be a "Greater Power", That MIGHT 'guide' you to study, in your "Chosen" field?

What ... Who ... Lead YOU in the direction that you have 'chosen' to focus on?

Ever think that, Maybe, a "Higher Power" MIGHT have lead YOU in this direction?

... Based on specific "Gifts" that you have been "Given"?

Just a question ...
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The only thing that really scares me these days is that I might not have been led this way. I am bound by science, but I am not a formal researcher.
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12/10/2012 09:04 PM
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Op great post liked it alot.


Hey Canada

Are you sure that Albert Einstein did not say this.
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This is all very limited semantic playing around. Philospehers never use thier wonderful findings in any practical way.
In truth there is no good or evil only perception and awareness.
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That was exactly the point of the philosophy, so your logic is flawed.

What you simply dude was pull the veil back to absolute truth. Sadly, as a horse may be led to water - so too may people and you know... even when it is all spelled out - the horse still won't drink.
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Op great post liked it alot.


Hey Canada

Are you sure that Albert Einstein did not say this.
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Pretty sure.

He certainly said this:

"Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. That is, if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?

The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God."
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this is officially a thread for people who dont take LSD
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this is officially a thread for people who dont take LSD
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Pi

I have a question do you believe God is real or what is it that you believe. Me I will be honest I know beyond a shadow of doubt that he is real. But that is because of experiences that I have had directly with him.
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12/10/2012 09:18 PM
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Thank YOU!

"Pretty sure.

He certainly said this:

"Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. That is, if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?

The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God."

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I appreciate THAT!

God Bless!
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12/10/2012 09:21 PM
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Thank YOU!

"Pretty sure.

He certainly said this:

"Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. That is, if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?

The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God."

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I appreciate THAT!

God Bless!
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Indeed. There is no doubt whatsoever that Einstein was a believer. But first he was a scientist. Science ultimately will be the strongest supporter of religion, it will be the final proof of God. The atheists don't believe because that is their duty, to take the hard way around. It is easy to see God if one looks.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
It's called "Free Will" ...

A "Perfect God" would have built us in a way that "Couldn't" go wrong.

Robots...

A "Father" understands that His kids will screw up.

A "Father" stands ready to WAIT on His kids to make mistakes...

Hopefully ... They will ASK for advice.

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HE stands ready to GIVE that advice...

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It is still OUR choice to accept ot REJECT that advice.

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THAT is the "Scientific Method" ... "What WORKS is TRUE" ... What doesn't is "False".

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God ... In His wisdom ... Allowed us THAT CHOICE...

Truth or Falsehood ...

He gave US that option!

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WE HAVE a CHOICE!


God is our Father...

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"Go ahead ... Stick the fork in the electrical outlet ... I TOLD you NOT To ..."
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12/10/2012 09:36 PM
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Yes, but our society has made a mockery of religion. We should always uncover the lies that were able to disguise God even to intelligent people.
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12/10/2012 09:43 PM
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The difference between atheists and religionists...

Religionists pretend that they know what is beyond this world, even it's laws and inner workings. Atheists are content to deal with the logic of what is in this plane of existence.

Not saying I agree with either, but perhaps the truth is somewhere in between.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
"Yes, but our society has made a mockery of religion. We should always uncover the lies that were able to disguise God even to intelligent people.".

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I belive that You and I are Closer, in understanding, Than most her would agree upon.

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I have honestly enjoyed our debate and discussion!

Thank You!
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Pi

I think that due to religion the actual message has not come across. Whenever God is mentioned the assumption people have is religion. But a relationship with God is not something that people look into. If a person is a father and they have a relationship with their child could someone consider that a religion. That's the way people should view the things of God not religion/ or religious views.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
God is our Father ...

Father of All.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
Pi

I think that due to religion the actual message has not come across. Whenever God is mentioned the assumption people have is religion. But a relationship with God is not something that people look into. If a person is a father and they have a relationship with their child could someone consider that a religion. That's the way people should view the things of God not religion/ or religious views.
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Agreed, that is sort of what I was getting at, that modern religion is so distanced from the actual divine.
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12/10/2012 10:27 PM
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OP, you need to smoke weed. Then you will understand.
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
"What Religion Does God Follow"?

Doesn't a Father want what is the absolute BEST for His kids?
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More weed OP more weed.
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More weed OP more weed.
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No kiddin eh? peace
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"OP, you need to smoke weed. Then you will understand."...

"Weed".

"Weed"?

Cloud my Mind ... To Understand ... Right...
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Re: "When The Student is Ready ... The TEACHER APPEARS":
The first two examples are pointless, just because the Professor was wrong that cold and darkness doesn't exist, doesn't mean that is evidence for God. Two wrongs don't make a right as it were.

As for the analogy for the Professors brain, while no one has actually seen, smelled, or tasted the Professors brain, doesn't lend evidence to Gods existance.
This is because while we don't actually know if the professors brain exists, we know for a fact that we can use science to find out.
We could do a MRI scan on his skull or we could simply cut him open.
Either way, we will discover whether or not he has a brain.

Infact, all these examples have this in common. We can find out whether or not cold or darkness exists or not. But we cannot do so for God.

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