could a christian answer this please

Sorry, not so much a "christian" yet your challenge is elementary;
The object is to create heaven here while here, for you and those around you.

In this manor you win here and there.

Iarga

It's called LOVE! God didn't want this world to be this way. In the beginning, everything was perfect! God could have just wiped us from existence then, which is really what we deserved because of rebellion, but that would make Him a tyrant in the sky, and it would have been a demonstration of satanic character. God is love. God loved us so He made a way for us to get back to Him. That involved the death of a perfect, holy, being, namely, Jesus. He did it knowing the majority would reject Him. If even ONE would believe and receive Him, He would have done it.

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Don't ever think that verse says "all sin and come short of the glory of God"... it's past tense. Yes, all of us HAVE sinned, but that doesn't mean we HAVE to continually sin. Sin can be overcome. God is stronger than Satan! I know this first hand because I've been in situations where strong temptation comes, and I pray for power to overcome, and God will ALWAYS answer that prayer.

Sin is ALWAYS a choice! We don't HAVE to sin, we CHOOSE to sin! Resist the devil and he will flee from you the Bible says. The problem is people love sin. I always pray for a HATRED of sin, every sin, any sin, all sin! The things I used to like in my sinful life I now despise and the good and holy things I now enjoy. Sanctification is a life experience, overcoming daily through the blood of the lamb! It CAN be achieved. Not saying I never sin now or I never fall, because I do. The difference is, I feel guilty right away, I repent right away, I claim victory right away, and I avoid situations that may cause me to sin. it's all about a choice!

so why did god create all this

only to talk about destroying it

i mean the bible is just full of stories about the wrath of god how god is going to destroy us
how he has no patience with man


well

seeing as he made us

if were not perfect

whos fault is that

i dont get it

God knows you are not perfect. He knows you can never be perfect. He sent His son who is perfect to take the fall for you. All you have to do to get into to heaven is to accept that Jesus died for your sins so that you can get into heaven. You will be accepted not by your own works but by the sacrifice that Jesus made. That's it!

Once you accept Jesus you will change your life from the inside because of the power of the Holy Spirit who will live within you, not by your own power.

The Remnant will. And then comes the Resurrection for many.

Because God the Creator wants you and me to be with Him through eternity. He made the way for us to spend eternity with Him. He paid it all. By grace we are saved. We CAN get into heaven--we can live an incredible life for all eternity. Our eyes have not seen, our ears have not heard all the things that God is now preparing for us who love Him.
Receive the love of the Truth so as to be saved. Turn to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and be saved now.

God creted Eden. Not this coming too close to hell on Earth.

you see this the bit that confuses me

why dont we start in heaven in the first place

why did he put us here

give us loads of shit to deal with

then if we fail all of that go to hell

you say believe in christ and be saved

but why do we need to go through the whole saving bit

it really doesnt make sense to me

why dont we just start in heaven

then if we screw it up

we get kicked out to hell or something

why start here and go through all this shit for like 60 70 80 90 years or however long we get

God made Man in His Image, and has given man Free Will.

This is important to understand, as it is 1/2 of the equation.

He also gave the Evil one dominion over the Earth.

You are correct in that nobody has gone without sin, except for 1 person. This person had to be created from a tribe of people, who for generations was wondering the desert, away from all outside influence - so that by the time of inception, there was no Sin in Jesus, the Christ.

The Angels are also loved by God, but are not made in His image necessarily.

Now God has given us one more gift - eternal life in heaven after we die, if we choose it.

So here is how it works:
(Note, this happens daily)During each moment of your day, your conscious voice is in your mind and constantly helping you out and running an ongoing dialogue with it's self. Everybody talks to themselves in their mind. - Your conscious voice.

Here is the key: When ever you take something into consideration, your voice weighs things out for you in your mind. What people do not realize is that this voice is sometimes not your own, although it sounds like it is your own, and that it is coming from you - but it's not, and here is how you can tell.

Imagine a kid walking down the street with a new iPhone 5. You watch him as he is glued to his screen. You begin to consider; you know you can snatch it from him and get away. You know you can punch him if he gets close to you, and you know you can sell it for $500 very easily to anybody. But who in their right mind would actually consider committing strong armed robbery? So you see, that 'snake' in eden who fooled the woman works by being able to weave in and out of your dialogue, constantly pitching bad ideas which seem like yours, but are really not.

Also at the same time, at this crossroad while considering these things, is The LORD. Remember, He gave us Free Will to make our own choices. So we have choices to make. We either rob the kid, which is walking in sin, or, we choice The LORD by turning from sin, and walking right with The LORD.

One must be very sensitive in order to recognize these things, BUT, anybody can put this theory to the test - simply go out front, and lay in wait for your next iphone 5 having person. You see, laying in wait in it's self is a felony, and for good reason. It is key to how the devil works. The devil really is in the details, but if you go to look or check, he is out of there so fast you never knew he was there. This is why criminals are left holding the bag when caught.

Now there is more. The Devil wants to keep you from The LORD and wants you to turn from him in exchange for worldly things or things of a worldly nature. Note that satan is not offering Eternal Life with God after death, and is only here for today.

Once while contemplating these things, when I realized the voice which is ongoing may not be your own at times, I told my self "Thats it!! I got it figured out! Thats how sin and the evil one works!" and you know what happened next? My little voice said in a really mean way to me: So what are you gonna do about it....

Let me tell you, this was NOT my voice, and I got really scared really fast. The evil one was there and basically was calling me out since I found out the key. There was only 1 choice: "I rebuke you in the Name of God" and let me tell you man at the very MOMENT, The LORD came to comfort me. I was blinded and couldn't see nothing but pure white in all direction. I thought I was sitting at the computer still but I wasn't. The LORD told me verbatim: I want you to call me Lord or The LORD... You need to bring people to me.

Now let me tell you I nearly shatted, but I didn't because I was enveloped in total happy, peace, joy, like your best friend had just stopped by who you haven't seen in 10 or 20yrs, but only for 1 or 2 mins. I couldn't see a single thing except white as if I was blind or something. I asked about what was going to happen with current events, and He said "wait and see" so thats the biz. You know how the devil works in one's thoughts and how The LORD works too.

The LORD will provide the peanut butter and jelly but it's on you to make the sandwich.

You can read about these things which I have written, as this happened 2 or 3 weeks ago and I'm still in shock.

How does one know if The LORD is speaking to them? I asked my mom this as a toddler once and she told me The LORD does not speak to people like that anymore. Well let me tell you He does, because when he spoke it was strong bold size 72 if you know what I mean, not no 10pt regular like what we run in our day to day.

Check these out and let me know what you think:

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OP, you consider all these things and write back, as I am under COMMAND to bring people to The LORD.

You did start in Heaven. The souls come from there.

Yes We can Jesus made the perfect atonement for you if you believe in what He did for you. Everything is prepared for those who humble them self and execpt His love offering

Heaven once belonged to us. We threw it away. God, through the Incarnation, gives it back to us. It's hard work, but we weren't created more inferior than the angels. We are images of God, manifestations of Divinity: theophanies. The Divine Power lies within us, and it is in wiping the grim off the image (via asceticism, prayer, and above all, love) that we can reclaim our inheritance.

Have you ever considered you were sent here to help other people to go home? Have you ever considered you may have loved God so much in the spirit world that you asked to come here to help?

the thing is

its starting to go from being a just a question of why are we here

to

is it all real

the whole heaven hell thing

or is it that we just die

and thats it

we close our eyes for the last time and the world just continues on in the same old cycle it has for the last whatever millions of years and when we have had our time thats it

Pascal's Wager:

1. "God is, or He is not"
2. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
3. According to reason, you can defend either of the propositions.
4. You must wager. (It's not optional.)
5. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.

me

no man

i just see all the destruction that goes on and wonder wtf its all about

the bible just tells us of creation and doom

and i think the answer is there

and thats the message its conveying

everything begins

and everything ends

there is nothing else

Your problem is your perception. You don't earn your way in to Heaven. You enter by God's grace(will) and that alone with the faith that Jesus Christ is the risen Son of God. The Son given as a gift to us that we may be reconciled to be with Him(God) through faith or belief in Jesus as the Messiah. Basically, if you have faith in Jesus, you are exempted from judgement is my understanding. Ask God in prayer to help you turn to Jesus as your Savior.

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29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Matthew 22

As an aside, the Bible is not the end-all, be-all of Christianity, no matter what the Fundamentalists say. There is more, a sacred tradition, out of which was birthed the Bible as well as a whole world of wisdom and insight. The Bible cannot be read on its own. Rather, just like one needs to know how to read Egyptian before she can make any sense or interpretation of hieroglyphics, the Bible requires informed, sanctified eyes before it can be understood. This is the case with any text, ever.

Look beyond the Bible for the tradition that will infuse your reading of the Bible with light and truth.

God is sick of it too... things are getting much worse because people enjoy sinning... that's the gift of Free Will... God wont force people to love Him or keep the commandments... soon he will return to take His people out of here.

According to the bible. (I am not a Christian but have studied it to great length)

You are correct that Man cannot begin to achieve the level of virtue to reach heaven.

That's why Jesus died...
he acts as an ambassador on your behalf.

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Well you should be a Christian... you nailed it!

he did! But what is he if not a Christian?

"...Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent..."

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peace,

Well with such a good understanding, he has no excuses before God if he doesn't believe

You're over thinking it and thus is the nature of man. We must place labels over the unknown so that it is known. You want to be able to live comfortably with the illusion of understanding something that is much greater than you.

If you're science is so all-knowing and all-seeing, where are the cures for all the plagues, viruses and cancers? Why has not science moved the universe around us?

You know why? Because these demands are impossible, much like the demands you place on understanding what God is. You want God to be your saviour and you want God to be your scape goat when your human mind is evaded by concepts that are not meant for it.

Things in this world will go unknown for forever, THAT IS THE MYSTERY OF LIFE AND IT PUSHES MAN EVER FURTHER INTO THE STARS.

what happens if there isnt a heaven

its not like anyone has been there and seen it

my point is

what if this is all there really is

because im thinking

why if there is someone like god with all the intelligence to buld whole planets stars people animals and everything else


why would he build something like us only to test us before accepting us into heaven

unless

there isnt a heaven

and once we die we die

thats it
and
the bible is basically telling us that

it begins with creation

and ends with destruction