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IF SHTF:::::Half of all Americans Won’t Survive 2 Weeks without Electricity - WILL YOU?

 
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Y'all are a bunch of morons if you believe this shit.
Humanity has done just fine without electricity before.
You grow food. You come together as a community.
You don't just fall into chaos and retarded fish frog fighting.
If you were a retarded fish frog then yes this would happen.
You aren't.
You are an intelligent being that can work together with others.
You are a pack animal, like a herd of sheep.
Your shepherd will not let you fall into panic like that.
Grow up, realize that you are BETTER than this.
Retards all believing zombie apocalypse, OMG buy ammo, yes, but buy ammo to shoot game if necessary and to protect property.

All will be well. Get in touch with your community.
If you are alone, you will not survive.
If you work together, you'll be fine.
HIVE MIND.
 Quoting: overwhatshername


Your a fool. When we lived without electricity before there were 1/3 of the people around and only did well because they grew up without it. Things are different now. Whom has mule teams and harness and dirt plows. Get a grip.

The hive will only take hold after most are dead and the rest will then pull it together once all the shit is out of the way.

Even back in the day of Little House on the Prairie they shot the bandits and Indian Raiders. Its going to be no different except the Bandits won't be on Horse Back.

You need to read one Second After. Get your eyes opened a little.

Better than all that. Remenber what you said here when they come for you.
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So detonation of an EMP near a nuclear plant equals doom?
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If the EMP is in the upper atmosphere, it can and will effect things 1000+ miles away. They learned that by accident when they shorted out Hawaii in the 1950's by blasting a hydrogen bomb near the Bikini Atoll. I think it was 1500+ miles away.
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How will a nuclear plant shut down if it generates its own electricity through nuclear fission?
 Quoting: overwhatshername


Ask TEPCO.

All plants are built around an auto shut down feature in any emergency. No one can stop that, it's part of the design.

Also, in order to turn hot water from a nuclear reaction into steam which drives a turbine into a magneto then into electricity. Magneto = a rotating magnet that weighs hundreds of tons, surrounded by copper wire which also weighs hundreds of tons. The copper and magnets will get fried in an EMP because because they will act like an antenna just like in the Tesla generator.

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You can try this experiment yourself. Cut the wires to your cellphone charger off of the outlet plug in. Strip back the insulation about one inch on both wires.

Now plug in your cell phone to the adapter and lift the hood on your car. Start your car and take the clean copper leads and hold them on your car battery.

Does anything happen to your cell phone? Yep. That's called a short because all that energy has no place to go once it heads to the wire. The opposite would also create a short. IE: If you pulled your car up to a power plant and took some high voltage cables and hooked them to your car batter.

Same for an electric plant. Circuit breakers prevent explosions by sensing overlaods. If all the power comeing off a spinning magneto in an electric plant has no place to go, it will blow up or cause an emergency shutdown.

In the USA we have a network called a grid. It's the 8th wonder of the world. A blowout in Utah could cause a blackout in Florida. They are all interconnected. One large EMP and it's back to 1877 for most of the country. And that stuff cannot be fixed without power.

Our local power plant fried a generator coil once and it took 6 months to fix and cost 23 million. Try fixing 15,000 of those with no power in a blacked out country and you will see the problem the gov't has on its hands as we head into the solar extremes.
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Y'all are a bunch of morons if you believe this shit.
Humanity has done just fine without electricity before.
You grow food. You come together as a community.
You don't just fall into chaos and retarded fish frog fighting.
If you were a retarded fish frog then yes this would happen.
You aren't.
You are an intelligent being that can work together with others.
You are a pack animal, like a herd of sheep.
Your shepherd will not let you fall into panic like that.
Grow up, realize that you are BETTER than this.
Retards all believing zombie apocalypse, OMG buy ammo, yes, but buy ammo to shoot game if necessary and to protect property.

All will be well. Get in touch with your community.
If you are alone, you will not survive.
If you work together, you'll be fine.
HIVE MIND.
 Quoting: overwhatshername


Dude continue to live in your dream world. Most people in cities probably don't have a weeks worth of food in their house and no way to cook or preserve it without electricity. While there are some "communities" that what you're talking about will work, the vast majority will not come together. It will be survival of the fittest, and even that won't be long in the cities. It will be gang mentality and they will last the longest. But the fact is in the cities without basic services (electricity, water, gas, grocery stores) people can only last as long as the food and water available do, and as someones else said if it's in the winter the mortality rate will go way up. I really feel for preppers that are stuck in the cities, it will be very rough. And yes when people get hungry they will kill you for a can of pork and beans!!! An empty stomach is very powerful, or worse yet watching your kids starve. To make it worse how many people born and raised in cities have the slightest clue how to survive off the land? Hell I've read stories of people in big cities that never cook at home, every meal is prepared for them, and i've grocery shopped in cities, most of the people shopping were buying one meal and the ones behind me were pissed at having to wait while I checked out with 2 weeks worth of groceries for a family of 5. So what you are saying is BS and you are the moran!!!
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So detonation of an EMP near a nuclear plant equals doom?
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If the EMP is in the upper atmosphere, it can and will effect things 1000+ miles away. They learned that by accident when they shorted out Hawaii in the 1950's by blasting a hydrogen bomb near the Bikini Atoll. I think it was 1500+ miles away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21931562


And if you were properly aware of that situation you would also no that most of those electronics went back online. EMP is not as effective as people on this website make it out to be. Scientists have proven that in an EMP, plenty of electronics will survive, and a lot that do short out, will only be temporary like the ones that went out in Hawaii during the Starfish Prime event.

Very little shielding protects electronics as well, in fact, they say most cars will go unaffected for a reference point. Nuclear Power plants have a lot of shielding, so there is more then a good chance they can survive, and on top of that we have backups for backups. An EMP cause no damage, so you can't really compare it to Fukushima, where damage was the cause for the failure.
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I don't get it. Why you need electricity to survive? You still have 2 arms and 2 legs. That's enough.
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Most of the elderly, sick, handicapped, and the very young would die in the first few days. No POTABLE water in 3 days will kill humans.

After 2 weeks, people will be killing others for food and disease from the dead (mentioned above) will fester and contaminate the water, air, and soil in large areas....killing off many more than the first wave.

History also shows that the biggest danger to life during a large catastrophic event, is rogue governments, armies, militia, gangs, anarchy, death squads, roving bandits, and lynch mobs.

Imagine 2-3 million prisoners escaping in the US and imagine the 13 million illegals who are already here, going on a free for all.

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Yes. Most people will not carefully manage sanitation. They will drink from local water sources and simultaneously poison their water by poor sanitation. Improper burials will kill many. Even early agriculture will poison the carefully dug wells. It's why a bio-sand filter is used to remove coliform bacteria.

Coming back together is a realistic idea. Community doesn't spontaneously happen. In a crisis, unless there is a means of communicating an idea and a visionary leader, then there isn't a way of creating unity. I wish that communities would spontaneously happen, but that hasn't occurred in history.

This means a lot of people will die if there ever is something serious like a global economic crisis.

In the absence of refrigeration, a majority of food would be lost. By the time people think of using that food in block party bankquets, it will spoil instead. One can live, albeit uncomfortably for three weeks without food. Some can live longer if obese, but in a debilitated state afterward. We know that from scientific studies from prisoners of war from the Civil War as well as from war from the Post WW2 era and today's refugee crisis in diverse places.

Since most people don't have that much food, at some point they will steal from their neighbors. That happens even during SERE exercises (survival school) in the military. Almost always, some sociopaths in your region will justify stealing to preserve their lives. There are lots of prisoners and former prisoners in your region. They are only the ones who got caught and then released. Most sexual predators are never caught. Many gang members are never caught.

Today, largely due to advanced discoveries in pharmaceuticals, we have extended life. In the absence of these drugs, the populations of the severely mentally ill, heart and lung disease patients, elderly folks, etc will die. Because many have pain medication and are weak and also have concentrated wealth, they will become targets by sociopaths.

There are large amounts of supplies in warehouses across the country. These serve as interium places to maintain the supply chains. Either local governments or the military or crime figures will commandeer them in a collapse.

This means that many people will not have the incoming food and fuel that they need to exist.
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I don't get it. Why you need electricity to survive? You still have 2 arms and 2 legs. That's enough.
 Quoting: Chaga


Most of the elderly, sick, handicapped, and the very young would die in the first few days. No POTABLE water in 3 days will kill humans.

After 2 weeks, people will be killing others for food and disease from the dead (mentioned above) will fester and contaminate the water, air, and soil in large areas....killing off many more than the first wave.

History also shows that the biggest danger to life during a large catastrophic event, is rogue governments, armies, militia, gangs, anarchy, death squads, roving bandits, and lynch mobs.

Imagine 2-3 million prisoners escaping in the US and imagine the 13 million illegals who are already here, going on a free for all.

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Add to that list all the Alcoholics. Drug users. Meth addicts. Cocaine addicts. Mental patience. Pedo's. Rapists. Gang Bangers. Bikers. Its a long list of fringe that have nothing to loose and will just keep going till they are killed or die of natural causes.
 Quoting: TrinityMountain



Exactly. Even the police and military will join in the crime once they realize there is no one around to stop them.

Even people who aren't criminally inclined will join in.

That hot neighbor girl who always teased the guys...will be SOL.

People with previous disputes and scored to settle.

Innocent merchants and business owners will be attacked.

Hospitals will be targeted for their drugs.

Police dept's and military depots will be targeted for their guns, fuel, and communications equipment.

A real free for all in every aspect...for big cities.
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I don't get it. Why you need electricity to survive? You still have 2 arms and 2 legs. That's enough.
 Quoting: Chaga


Most of the elderly, sick, handicapped, and the very young would die in the first few days. No POTABLE water in 3 days will kill humans.

After 2 weeks, people will be killing others for food and disease from the dead (mentioned above) will fester and contaminate the water, air, and soil in large areas....killing off many more than the first wave.

History also shows that the biggest danger to life during a large catastrophic event, is rogue governments, armies, militia, gangs, anarchy, death squads, roving bandits, and lynch mobs.

Imagine 2-3 million prisoners escaping in the US and imagine the 13 million illegals who are already here, going on a free for all.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21931562


Add to that list all the Alcoholics. Drug users. Meth addicts. Cocaine addicts. Mental patience. Pedo's. Rapists. Gang Bangers. Bikers. Its a long list of fringe that have nothing to loose and will just keep going till they are killed or die of natural causes.
 Quoting: TrinityMountain



Exactly. Even the police and military will join in the crime once they realize there is no one around to stop them.

Even people who aren't criminally inclined will join in.

That hot neighbor girl who always teased the guys...will be SOL.

People with previous disputes and scored to settle.

Innocent merchants and business owners will be attacked.

Hospitals will be targeted for their drugs.

Police dept's and military depots will be targeted for their guns, fuel, and communications equipment.

A real free for all in every aspect...for big cities.

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I agree that agressive people is the real problem, not the lack of electricity.
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There are two things I haven't seen mentioned.

IF SHTF...

What will we do with our dead? I see people talking about building shelters, etc., but chances are high, we will all still be living in our own houses for a bit before we have to be nomadic...What are we going to do with our dead?

If it is a mass power outage, we will have a lot of dead in the first two weeks to a month...We, as survivors, will have to dispose of the dead...Someone or a large group of someones, will have to go house to house to collect and burn the dead.

The second thing is What will we do with our waste? If we continue to stay in our homes for weeks and we have a mass power outage, we will all have to figure out how to dispose of our trash and our bodily waste.

Disease will run rampant if these two needs aren't addressed immediately. And then, all of us will die.

It won't be like we see on tv or in the movies. We won't be able to leave the dead where they lie and let them decompose on their own...Ugh...

Just sayin...something serious to think about...
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


Your kidding right. People were shitting in hallways with Sandy in Apartment complexes. The dead will be in the cities. Haven't you read anything. Gone to survival sites. The first thing they tell you to do is bug out. Get out. Get out of the big cities. Your going to worry about the dead. Do you have any idea how many dead there will be...?

If you had an excavator and a bulldozer you would be busy all day. Getting the picture yet. Getting them out of your own home and into the street will be about all most can do.

I guess as a neiborhood you could pile them all up and burn them.
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doesn’t it make sense to do something to safeguard yourself form that threat?

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xmaslite We had to survive for four days earlier this year in bitter cold weather after the
electricity went off in our building. But at least I had the gas cooker and plenty of LED lights.

One person had no gas heat for several days because they couldn't figure out that you could turn it on with a lighter or matches if the electronic
ignition wasn't working. LOL
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Another high probability worth mention during a large EMP caused blackout....

Powerful countries who are victims of EMPS will likely attack thinking they were caused by military action.

That's why Don Rumsfeld spread the US military around the world for his "lilly pads of military might". That's why the UN and NATO has been cross trining with enemy troops.

They have been training the last 12 years to treat civilians as enemies. Instead of having the US military take control of the USA, they will bring in combat trained foreign troops (wearing blue UNSCOM helmets) who aren't afraid to shoot Americans and get their spoils of war.
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My family and I went two weeks without electricity. Whole city went without electricity actually. Was during a bad winter and we had a nasty ice storm here in OK. We did good. Was boring, since we didn't have any board games or cards (prob something I should consider looking into). But food and water wasn't a problem. Just got really cold. We could have went longer if we had to.

But two months in the winter with no access to food and water supply... that might be difficult.
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I read these posts and i see all the people claiming they will be ok with no power for months ect.
I watch "preppers" on t.v. and i see these people spending their entire life savings on little tubes placed underground thinking they can live like a mole until the world gets back to "normal".
I notice TPTB have spent 60 years building huge underground cities, complete with schools, gardens, live stock, ect.
These underground cities are hundreds of feet underground and the entrance is thick enough to assure they will be safe for a very long time.
I see our leaders wasting money, throwing us more and more into dept ... not giving a shit about having to pay it back.
I see the shift of power taken from "we the people" and placed into the hands of the abusive, never punished police agencies around our globe. TPTB know they have to empower the police in order to keep a layer between us and them.

Everyone keeps saying... just wait, it will all be ok because we are going to "ascend" to another level of conciseness.

Here is what i do not see anyone addressing.... a callous cold hard fact that has yet to be spoken.

It does not matter how good you "prep" ... it does not matter what knowledge you have. There is one cold hard fact that will prove every single person NOT in a government built bunker will DIE either during a pole shift or a kill shot that knocks our power out for a long duration.


NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!
These fuckers wont last 3 weeks without a source of power.
Life on earth will be impossible if your not buried a mile underground.
Our government has already admitted they have NO back up plan for this in case of a long duration without power and a way to keep them cool.
Can you people imagine a world of Fuck U shima plus chernobyl X's 440??
Do you think that prepping will stop 440 nuclear power plants melting down from killing you?

People, you can be as positive as you want but you cant escape the fact that this world will be nothing more then a global nuclear waste dump if the shit hits the fan.
Would you WANT to survive, knowing this is an inevitable fact that you can do NOTHING to stop?

Get real people. TPTB have played us like the fools we are.
If you REALLY want a chance to live past this horrific future then we should all come together and converge toward all the entrances to these underground bunker WE PAID FOR.
If you REALLY want to make a difference, we should be kicking TPTB ass ... and take their shit that we rightfully own!
Other wise.. we are sitting dead ducks. No ifs, or maybes about it.

Think about that for a while....
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Many will survive half a year on body fat alone.
 Quoting: Generation Doom


That's actually incorrect. It's an exaggeration to say that people can survive six months. It is possible in rare circumstances of very low core temperature to survive three months. We know that from a couple of survival cases.

The reality is many people will die after three weeks. If one could sit and do literally nothing, then the minimal loss of calories would result in a mental stupor. Your body uses up glycogen in the liver and muscles first. Still you need water in sufficient amounts to maintain biochemical processes. You pee out a lot of water (though the body attempts to conserve water in the large intestines). You pee because you eat proteins and they degrade the amines to form urea.

Water is very heavy to carry, and I'll bet that 90% of you live far from a water source. Since it's Winter in my hemisphere, there's little rainfall. It's impossible to collect enough to survive until the Spring rains. That means digging a well in Winter, or carrying it far distances for most.

As glycogen is used up, people get very weak. The body begins liberating muscle tissue through a process called gluconeogenesis to produce adequate sugar for to maintain consciousness. If insufficient, then people pass out. You've probably heard of diabetic ketoacidosis. Diabetics Type 1 don't have insulin so they can't convert fat to blood sugar and they eventually die.

As people lose muscle tissue, they can't rely upon that tissue to do as much work. This leads to inefficent hunting, trapping, fishing, gathering firewood and water. The whole starvation phenomena accelerates.

Most people will give up and do less and less work even after a week or so. They'll make mistakes that will cause dehydration to set in. Think about it...most people don't drink enough water. It causes mental confusion under workload and people can collapse easily.

Because of all that, it's my belief that if you could merely have sufficient food and water for two months, that most of the sociopaths would die, along with a huge percentage of the population. It's grim, but if in an isolated protected area, then those who survive could potentially live on.

The problem is that if they run out of food and can't find food, they'll die too. Much of the food in any kind (pets, livestock, warehouses, stealing, etc) will have been used up. This is why you need six months.

That sounds expensive, but really isn't. It won't be food that you'll like, but it would keep you alive. The main issue is having enough water. That's a real concern. This is why you need to check your average rainfall, think of storage capacity, collection methods like dew collectors, how's the bedrock on your land, what's the water table, how to make a biosand filter, etc.
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There are two things I haven't seen mentioned.

IF SHTF...

What will we do with our dead? I see people talking about building shelters, etc., but chances are high, we will all still be living in our own houses for a bit before we have to be nomadic...What are we going to do with our dead?

If it is a mass power outage, we will have a lot of dead in the first two weeks to a month...We, as survivors, will have to dispose of the dead...Someone or a large group of someones, will have to go house to house to collect and burn the dead.

The second thing is What will we do with our waste? If we continue to stay in our homes for weeks and we have a mass power outage, we will all have to figure out how to dispose of our trash and our bodily waste.

Disease will run rampant if these two needs aren't addressed immediately. And then, all of us will die.

It won't be like we see on tv or in the movies. We won't be able to leave the dead where they lie and let them decompose on their own...Ugh...

Just sayin...something serious to think about...
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


Your kidding right. People were shitting in hallways with Sandy in Apartment complexes. The dead will be in the cities. Haven't you read anything. Gone to survival sites. The first thing they tell you to do is bug out. Get out. Get out of the big cities. Your going to worry about the dead. Do you have any idea how many dead there will be...?

If you had an excavator and a bulldozer you would be busy all day. Getting the picture yet. Getting them out of your own home and into the street will be about all most can do.

I guess as a neiborhood you could pile them all up and burn them.
 Quoting: TrinityMountain


No, I'm not kidding. Are you???? If people were shitting in the hallways in Sandy and leaving dead bodies on the floor and in the streets in Katrina, it is a serious issue that needs addressed...Disease will spread quickly if we do not take care of the dead in the cities.

In a global emergency situation, the goal would be to get everything back up and running as quickly as possible.

You people living under the premise that you can just "bug out" and everything will be wonderful are delusional.
"Don't look back, you're not going that way."

"As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.”
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doesn’t it make sense to do something to safeguard yourself form that threat?

 Quoting: ~JustMe~


:xmaslite: We had to survive for four days earlier this year in bitter cold weather after the
electricity went off in our building. But at least I had the gas cooker and plenty of LED lights.

One person had no gas heat for several days because they couldn't figure out that you could turn it on with a lighter or matches if the electronic
ignition wasn't working. LOL
 Quoting: Judethz


Wow Judeth...if that's a picture of you...ummm I have some advice. In a wartime, free for all scenario, you'd better use some torn clothes, ski mask, and dark makeup to get 'ugly' real fast.

There's going to be a crowd of swinging dicks headed to your house in the first 2 hours of a blackout. If they all jump on your back, you will spend the next 5 days beating them off.

chuckle
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I read these posts and i see all the people claiming they will be ok with no power for months ect.
I watch "preppers" on t.v. and i see these people spending their entire life savings on little tubes placed underground thinking they can live like a mole until the world gets back to "normal".
I notice TPTB have spent 60 years building huge underground cities, complete with schools, gardens, live stock, ect.
These underground cities are hundreds of feet underground and the entrance is thick enough to assure they will be safe for a very long time.
I see our leaders wasting money, throwing us more and more into dept ... not giving a shit about having to pay it back.
I see the shift of power taken from "we the people" and placed into the hands of the abusive, never punished police agencies around our globe. TPTB know they have to empower the police in order to keep a layer between us and them.

Everyone keeps saying... just wait, it will all be ok because we are going to "ascend" to another level of conciseness.

Here is what i do not see anyone addressing.... a callous cold hard fact that has yet to be spoken.

It does not matter how good you "prep" ... it does not matter what knowledge you have. There is one cold hard fact that will prove every single person NOT in a government built bunker will DIE either during a pole shift or a kill shot that knocks our power out for a long duration.


NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!
These fuckers wont last 3 weeks without a source of power.
Life on earth will be impossible if your not buried a mile underground.
Our government has already admitted they have NO back up plan for this in case of a long duration without power and a way to keep them cool.
Can you people imagine a world of Fuck U shima plus chernobyl X's 440??
Do you think that prepping will stop 440 nuclear power plants melting down from killing you?

People, you can be as positive as you want but you cant escape the fact that this world will be nothing more then a global nuclear waste dump if the shit hits the fan.
Would you WANT to survive, knowing this is an inevitable fact that you can do NOTHING to stop?

Get real people. TPTB have played us like the fools we are.
If you REALLY want a chance to live past this horrific future then we should all come together and converge toward all the entrances to these underground bunker WE PAID FOR.
If you REALLY want to make a difference, we should be kicking TPTB ass ... and take their shit that we rightfully own!
Other wise.. we are sitting dead ducks. No ifs, or maybes about it.

Think about that for a while....
 Quoting: Reality 16172614


Yep. The nuke plants were mentioned above. Good point.
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As long as the zombies from the city, or my creepy neigbhors don't get me, then I will be fine. Food/water/wood heat/etc.

Living on a farm has it's perks.
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What do you do with your poo if there's no utilities?
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Are you serious?
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Of course. If you know the answer, please share. If there are no utilities, you can't continue to use the toilet now can you. And you can't just throw it in the trash since there'll be no garbage pick up. (also some gross thoughtless clods will). And burying it on your property will just be extremely unsanitary not to mention disgusting. You're asking for all kinds of disease there.
Do you burn it or what?
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I think its waaaaaay more than half, more like a 10th. zombies
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What do you do with your poo if there's no utilities?
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Are you serious?
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Of course. If you know the answer, please share. If there are no utilities, you can't continue to use the toilet now can you. And you can't just throw it in the trash since there'll be no garbage pick up. (also some gross thoughtless clods will). And burying it on your property will just be extremely unsanitary not to mention disgusting. You're asking for all kinds of disease there.
Do you burn it or what?
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I am going to let you figure out what people did with their waste before electricity. If you are not smart enough to figure this out, you are useless to society of the survivors.
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As long as the zombies from the city, or my creepy neigbhors don't get me, then I will be fine. Food/water/wood heat/etc.

Living on a farm has it's perks.
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Indeed Sam.
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What do you do with your poo if there's no utilities?
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Are you serious?
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Of course. If you know the answer, please share. If there are no utilities, you can't continue to use the toilet now can you. And you can't just throw it in the trash since there'll be no garbage pick up. (also some gross thoughtless clods will). And burying it on your property will just be extremely unsanitary not to mention disgusting. You're asking for all kinds of disease there.
Do you burn it or what?
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When cow manure is sufficiently dried, since they consume grass it makes an excellent fire. Not mad smelling either. Human waste has been burned by soldiers, but only because they had sufficient accelerants to do so.

If there were a collapse, you'd seperate the urine from the feces. Urine is an excellent fertillizer and if the person is healthy, then it's sterile (no bacteria). Urine was used by many societies to clean laundry, and as you will run out of chemical soaps, bleach, and ammonia, you'll likely use it for that purpose. In addition, when dying cloth with local gathered flowers, onion skins, polkweed berries, walnut hulls, then urine acts as a mordant to fix the dye and keep it from washing out.

Feces doesn't decay well when mixed with urine. A community would carefully manage the placement of feces to digest it naturally. It takes two years with lots of careful treatment and plant waster to safely compost human waste. It's not a good idea to put it into a garden, nor use cat or dog feces. All of that results in dangerous transmission of disease.

If fecal matter is not carefully managed, then it leaks into the water table. That means it will poison your locally dug wells. Wells will be the first organized community activity.

The best way, but a thankless task, is to have someone in the neighborhood come by and collect it and cart it off to a far away field where it is processed. Otherwise the neighbors will bury it in their backyards and then you have say 20 families with 20 chances to pollute the well or crops. Bad idea.

Likewise, though you didn't ask, a special field is made for burials. It also is carefully chosen to be far away, but respectfully close enough to visit. If not, then the same issues occur for water contamination.

I won't go into it, but the ground can get very hard to dig in Winter. This should concern a lot of community leaders post-collapse. In addition, a lot of children will be parentless and need support. In history, the death of a parent doomed that next generation.
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What do you do with your poo if there's no utilities?
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Are you serious?
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Of course. If you know the answer, please share. If there are no utilities, you can't continue to use the toilet now can you. And you can't just throw it in the trash since there'll be no garbage pick up. (also some gross thoughtless clods will). And burying it on your property will just be extremely unsanitary not to mention disgusting. You're asking for all kinds of disease there.
Do you burn it or what?
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I am going to let you figure out what people did with their waste before electricity. If you are not smart enough to figure this out, you are useless to society of the survivors.
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Oh fuck yourself off. You're no better than anyone here and it's obvious you don't know. Was actually looking for multiple ideas to have the GLP community have the best options. More knowledge is better for everyone including you. You can thank the intelligent person who contributed the informative and sound advice after your infantile, useless post.
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i think a lot people would do better than they think...its human instinct,i don't care how diluted it's become,they'll adapt


plus,when people lose power they expect it to come back,which in itself is what make the wait so tough


if you know it's OUT,i bet you'd get over it fairly quickly


i went 8 days because of hurricane sandy,it sucked....but not a big deal in the grand scheme of things
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Are you serious?
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Of course. If you know the answer, please share. If there are no utilities, you can't continue to use the toilet now can you. And you can't just throw it in the trash since there'll be no garbage pick up. (also some gross thoughtless clods will). And burying it on your property will just be extremely unsanitary not to mention disgusting. You're asking for all kinds of disease there.
Do you burn it or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17584550


I am going to let you figure out what people did with their waste before electricity. If you are not smart enough to figure this out, you are useless to society of the survivors.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Oh fuck yourself off. You're no better than anyone here and it's obvious you don't know. Was actually looking for multiple ideas to have the GLP community have the best options. More knowledge is better for everyone including you. You can thank the intelligent person who contributed the informative and sound advice after your infantile, useless post.
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not the person you're asking...but what do you think outhouses are for?

you dig a hole and shit in it....throw a little lye/lime over it and you're good
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Are you serious?
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Of course. If you know the answer, please share. If there are no utilities, you can't continue to use the toilet now can you. And you can't just throw it in the trash since there'll be no garbage pick up. (also some gross thoughtless clods will). And burying it on your property will just be extremely unsanitary not to mention disgusting. You're asking for all kinds of disease there.
Do you burn it or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17584550


I am going to let you figure out what people did with their waste before electricity. If you are not smart enough to figure this out, you are useless to society of the survivors.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Oh fuck yourself off. You're no better than anyone here and it's obvious you don't know. Was actually looking for multiple ideas to have the GLP community have the best options. More knowledge is better for everyone including you. You can thank the intelligent person who contributed the informative and sound advice after your infantile, useless post.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17584550


If you want help, especially from me or any old ones who do have traditional knowledge, you'll be respectful and bite your tongue. There's no use in getting angry.

Use that energy to chop firewood and to learn instead.

We don't have time to waste in pointless arguing. I feel that things are accelerating, not only from a global economic collapse, but uncertain weather patterns, as well as a malaise of civilization, plus the threat of world war. Now is the time to try to remain civil and work together.

In general I've bitten my tongue countless times when being mentored by old people. I've been doing that for more decades than you can believe. When young I thought about complaining about it. If I had, I would have ruined the chance to learn.

On the other hand, as people get older and set in their ways, they get tired of the youth not knowing basic things. This kind of intolerance leads to the next generation not being prepared, and hence isn't a useful behavior.

Preppers come from a diverse background of beliefs. I've met all of the traditional preppers who are Western European background (many generations ago) and claim a membership in believing in Jesus the Christ, but also ones who are neo-pagan, Muslim, Communist, Socialists, free spirit anarchists, atheists, etc. If we don't look past people's belief system, then arguing over simple things will ruin the chance of maintaining old knowledge.

In general, I've spent about 1100 hours alone helping people here to prepare. Believe me, I've bit my tongue lots of times, and even stopped helping people to prepare at one point. Let's work the problem and find solutions instead.

A lot of ideas come from old sources of tribal knowledge and frontier common sense. But there also been a lot of people who have visited 3rd world countries to dig well, build schools and hospitals, and collaborated with them with new scientific means of purifying water, better agriculture methods like Hugelkulture, sanitation, etc. Let's get along please and carry the baton a little further, if only for the sake of our mentors and ancestors.
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without fecebook a lot of idiots would rather die anyways
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lmao sad but true
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Of course. If you know the answer, please share. If there are no utilities, you can't continue to use the toilet now can you. And you can't just throw it in the trash since there'll be no garbage pick up. (also some gross thoughtless clods will). And burying it on your property will just be extremely unsanitary not to mention disgusting. You're asking for all kinds of disease there.
Do you burn it or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17584550


I am going to let you figure out what people did with their waste before electricity. If you are not smart enough to figure this out, you are useless to society of the survivors.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Oh fuck yourself off. You're no better than anyone here and it's obvious you don't know. Was actually looking for multiple ideas to have the GLP community have the best options. More knowledge is better for everyone including you. You can thank the intelligent person who contributed the informative and sound advice after your infantile, useless post.
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not the person you're asking...but what do you think outhouses are for?

you dig a hole and shit in it....throw a little lye/lime over it and you're good
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I grew up using an out house, not ideal in today,s world of softies tho. In the cities the high rise population will be in deep do do unless some one takes charge and gives the sheep directions. How-ever, with out drinking water the city dwellers will swiftly either get out, or die. Hard facts of an over populated area.
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How long it will take for the power plants to kill us?

It make sense to get prepared for a disaster, loss of employment, etc.

On the other hand, a big enough solar flare...abomb
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If that reply is to my post, then you need to reread the exchange. No respect for someone who was not helpful and called some "useless survivors." if biting your tongue works for you, then keep it up. You do what works for you and same here. If you feel like contributing helpful waste disposal info. let's read it. If not, don't help and move along.
If your reply was for other party, disregard.

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What do you do with your poo if there's no utilities?


Are you serious?


Of course. If you know the answer, please share. If there are no utilities, you can't continue to use the toilet now can you. And you can't just throw it in the trash since there'll be no garbage pick up. (also some gross thoughtless clods will). And burying it on your property will just be extremely unsanitary not to mention disgusting. You're asking for all kinds of disease there.
Do you burn it or what?


I am going to let you figure out what people did with their waste before electricity. If you are not smart enough to figure this out, you are useless to society of the survivors.


Oh fuck yourself off. You're no better than anyone here and it's obvious you don't know. Was actually looking for multiple ideas to have the GLP community have the best options. More knowledge is better for everyone including you. You can thank the intelligent person who contributed the informative and sound advice after your infantile, useless post.


If you want help, especially from me or any old ones who do have traditional knowledge, you'll be respectful and bite your tongue. There's no use in getting angry.

Use that energy to chop firewood and to learn instead.

We don't have time to waste in pointless arguing. I feel that things are accelerating, not only from a global economic collapse, but uncertain weather patterns, as well as a malaise of civilization, Kplus the threat of world war. Now is the time to try to remain civil and work together.

In general I've bitten my tongue countless times when being mentored by old people. I've been doing that for more decades than you can believe. When young I thought about complaining about it. If I had, I would have ruined the chance to learn.

On the other hand, as people get older and set in their ways, they get tired of the youth not knowing basic things. This kind of intolerance leads to the next generation not being prepared, and hence isn't a useful behavior.

Preppers come from a diverse background of beliefs. I've met all of the traditional preppers who are Western European background (many generations ago) and claim a membership in believing in Jesus the Christ, but also ones who are neo-pagan, Muslim, Communist, Socialists, free spirit anarchists, atheists, etc. If we don't look past people's belief system, then arguing over simple things will ruin the chance of maintaining old knowledge.

In general, I've spent about 1100 hours alone helping people here to prepare. Believe me, I've bit my tongue lots of times, and even stopped helping people to prepare at one point. Let's work the problem and find solutions instead.

A lot of ideas come from old sources of tribal knowledge and frontier common sense. But there also been a lot of people who have visited 3rd world countries to dig well, build schools and hospitals, and collaborated with them with new scientific means of purifying water, better agriculture methods like Hugelkulture, sanitation, etc. Let's get along please and carry the baton a little further, if only for the sake of our mentors and ancestors.

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