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Velikovsky: The Bonds of the Past

 
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"Immanuel Velikovsky arrived at a body of radical inter-disciplinary ideas, which might be summarised as:
Planet Earth has suffered natural catastrophes on a global scale, both before and during humankind's recorded history.
There is evidence for these catastrophes in the geological record (here Velikovsky was advocating Catastrophist ideas as opposed to the prevailing Uniformitarian notions) and archeological record. The extinction of many species had occurred catastrophically, not by gradual Darwinian means.
The catastrophes that occurred within the memory of humankind are recorded in the myths, legends and written history of all ancient cultures and civilisations. Velikovsky pointed to alleged concordances in the accounts of many cultures and proposed that they referred to the same real events. For instance, the memory of a flood is recorded in the Hebrew Bible, in the Greek legend of Deucalion, and in the Manu legend of India. Velikovsky put forward the psychoanalytic idea of "Cultural Amnesia" as a mechanism whereby these literal records came to be regarded as mere myths and legends.

The causes of these natural catastrophes were close encounters between the Earth and other bodies within the solar system — not least what are now the planets Saturn, Jupiter, Venus, and Mars, these bodies having moved upon different orbits within human memory.

To explain the celestial mechanics necessary to permit these changes to the configuration of the solar system, Velikovsky thought that electromagnetic forces might somehow play a greater role to counteract gravity and orbital mechanics.

Some of Velikovsky's specific postulated catastrophes included:

A tentative suggestion that Earth had once been a satellite of a "proto-Saturn" body, before its current solar orbit.

That the Deluge (Noah's Flood) had been caused by proto-Saturn's entering a nova state, and ejecting much of its mass into space.

A suggestion that the planet Mercury was involved in the Tower of Babel catastrophe.

Jupiter had been the culprit for the catastrophe that saw the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Periodic close contacts with a cometary Venus (which had been ejected from Jupiter) had caused the Exodus events (c. 1500 BCE) and Joshua's subsequent "sun standing still" (Joshua 10:12 and 13) incident.

Periodic close contacts with Mars had caused havoc in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE.

As noted above, Velikovsky had conceived the broad sweep of this material by the early 1940s. However, within his lifetime, whilst he continued to research, expand and lecture upon the details of his ideas, he released only selected portions of his work to the public in book form:[citation needed]

Worlds in Collision (1950) discussed the literary and mythical records of the "Venus" and "Mars" catastrophes
Portions of his Revised Chronology were published as Ages in Chaos (1952), Peoples of the Sea (1977) and Rameses II and His Time (1978) (The related monograph Oedipus and Akhenaten, 1960, posited the thesis that pharaoh Akhenaten was the prototype for the Greek mythic figure Oedipus.)
Earth in Upheaval (1955) dealt with geological evidence for global natural catastrophes.

Velikovsky's ideas on his earlier Saturn/Mercury/Jupiter events were never published, and the available archived manuscripts are much less developedOf all the strands of his work,

Velikovsky published least on his ideas regarding the role of electromagnetism in astronomy. Although he appears to have retreated from the propositions in his 1946 monograph Cosmos without Gravitation, no such retreat is apparent in Stargazers and Gravediggers. Cosmos without Gravitation, which Velikovsky placed in university libraries and sent to scientists, is a probable catalyst for the aggressively antipathetic reaction of astronomers and physicists from its first presentation. However, other Velikovskian enthusiasts such as Ralph Juergens, Earl Milton, Wal Thornhill, and Donald E. Scott have embraced and developed these themes to propose a scenario where stars are powered not by internal nuclear fusion, but by galactic-scale electrical discharge currents. Such ideas do not find support in the conventional literature."

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This CBC documentary is AWESOME!!


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Re: Velikovsky: The Bonds of the Past
EVERY GLPer should see this video!!

I particularly liked the part when Velikovsky relays his relationship with Einstiein. :)


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It wasn't that great. Then again you'd have a pretty tough time boiling the whole story down into an hour long documentary.
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EXCELLENT!

So glad to see this video posted. I watched it
tonight and was thinking about posting it, too!

I also liked this video in the same series--
[link to www.youtube.com]
This 2nd video is called: "World in Collision"
It moves a little faster than the 1st one.

There is a really EXCELLENT chalk-board example
provided around the 5 minute mark that shows
Velikovsky's theory about the orbit of Venus
which caused the catastrophes spoken about in the
bible.
One thing that struck me in this one of
"World in Collision" was Velikovsky's comments
about how the ancients paid alot more attention
to the planets than to the constellations.
I thought that the alignment of the planets
on 12-03-12 of Mercury, Venus and Saturn
over the 3 Great Pyramids of Giza (as seen
from the Southeast) was SIGNIFICANT for us
--not because of the end of the world--but
because the Egyptians may have built MADE
THE PYRAMIDS FOR EXACTLY THIS ALIGNMENT.
It may be their way of telling us that the
axis change which Velikovsky speaks of in
biblical times MAY BE REPEATED and the
Egyptians, who went through the physical
event, would be the onces to let us know
WHEN IT MAY HAPPEN AGAIN!
Everyone is all into the Mayan Calendar--but
I really feel that with the info from
Velikovsky, it should be this 12-03-12
alignment over Egypt and his theories about
Venus and Saturn (he said the waters causing
the great flood in the bible came from an
electical filmament discharge from SATURN!
WOW!)
Thanks for putting this up--These 2 videos
are a MUST SEE if you are concerned about
2012 "doom"--IT IS ALOT BIGGER than the Mayans!
Cheers!
SK


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If you find the subject interresting you should really read the books. It's shocking how much information Velikovsky has packed in there to back his claims. The videos don't but scratch the surface of the issue.
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EXCELLENT!

So glad to see this video posted. I watched it
tonight and was thinking about posting it, too!

I also liked this video in the same series--
[link to www.youtube.com]
This 2nd video is called: "World in Collision"
It moves a little faster than the 1st one.

There is a really EXCELLENT chalk-board example
provided around the 5 minute mark that shows
Velikovsky's theory about the orbit of Venus
which caused the catastrophes spoken about in the
bible.
One thing that struck me in this one of
"World in Collision" was Velikovsky's comments
about how the ancients paid alot more attention
to the planets than to the constellations.
I thought that the alignment of the planets
on 12-03-12 of Mercury, Venus and Saturn
over the 3 Great Pyramids of Giza (as seen
from the Southeast) was SIGNIFICANT for us
--not because of the end of the world--but
because the Egyptians may have built MADE
THE PYRAMIDS FOR EXACTLY THIS ALIGNMENT.
It may be their way of telling us that the
axis change which Velikovsky speaks of in
biblical times MAY BE REPEATED and the
Egyptians, who went through the physical
event, would be the onces to let us know
WHEN IT MAY HAPPEN AGAIN!
Everyone is all into the Mayan Calendar--but
I really feel that with the info from
Velikovsky, it should be this 12-03-12
alignment over Egypt and his theories about
Venus and Saturn (he said the waters causing
the great flood in the bible came from an
electical filmament discharge from SATURN!
WOW!)
Thanks for putting this up--These 2 videos
are a MUST SEE if you are concerned about
2012 "doom"--IT IS ALOT BIGGER than the Mayans!
Cheers!
SK


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 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing



Superb video! Thanks for posting it; I had not seen it. It is from a different perspective (more human interest), and, as such may appeal to many here who prefer a less "dry" presentation.

Velikovsky was a true visionary.

Fascinating theory about the Mercury-Venus-Saturn alignment with Giza pyramids and a possible "warning" from the ancient Egyptians. Another observation -- albeit less dramatic -- you may be familiar with is the Orion's belt alignment. There may be other, as-of-yet undiscovered possibilities to explain their placement as well. Without a "legend," it is impossible to know what their intention was....

We may be pondering this stuff for a while to come. Right now I have to get to bed; class in the morning is final exam prep.

Good night!! hf

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