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If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?

 
Hellenist
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If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
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Infinite Jewelz

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12/10/2012 10:25 PM
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
Noone is the lender, they create money out of thin air. Its all just a game to them. Money is created from debt. Thus they need to create debts to actually make the money 'viable'.
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
all nations aren't in debt.
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
Simple folk,


Bank Of International Settlements.

Real Conspiracy folk know that one\
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12/10/2012 10:28 PM
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
Banks dear. Great big banks.
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
[link to www.nationaldebtclocks.org]
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
biggest scam in human history.
bar none.

and if may add...


wheres the christians? and other religitards?

huh?

never see them quoting the Bible on debt threads do ya'?
like holy water on a vampire.
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
[link to www.bis.org]

That is the Link to the bank that lends money to COUNTRIES.

Theyare the biggest bank in history of man kind. FACT
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12/10/2012 10:36 PM
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
NOOB QUESTION!!!

International non gov banks are the lenders. You're a noob OP.
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
The answer is simple, our children and grandchildren.
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IMF and economic hitmen...
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The bankers/ Rothschildes
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
Well, why aren't ALL the nations listed.

I didn't see Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria.

Are they NOT listed because they won't provide any information OR are they the countries that all of this money is owed to for the oil we use to run our vehicles and heat our homes?
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If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
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 Quoting: Hellenist 15444013


America is the complete OPPOSITE of what many have fought and died for, what our founding fathers intended to set up has been completely destroyed and many seem to have no clue about it.
sheeplebah

If our founding fathers knew we're still celebrating July 4th.. they would roll over in their graves!

While many just look to get drunk, eat hotdogs and light up fireworks with no clue as to what they're celebrating I believe it's important to remember the TRUTH of our history.
To know that there actually was once integrity and honor within the foundation of the hearts and souls of many.
That it's never too late for us to always seek answers, appreciate truth and hold integrity for ourselves.

To bring clearly and remembrance I will post some quotes of our America history.
So what was the primary reason for the Revolutionary War which lead to our Independence to where we're "celebrating" today?

Here is the answer,
Benjamin Franklin:
“The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the prime reason for the Revolutionary War.”

Well what were they intending to set up?
Benjamin Franklin:
"In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Script. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers.
In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one.”

The roots of America was intended to be TAX FREE, where our own country had the ability to create it's own money supply.
Where we controlled our economy, NOT CENTRAL BANKS.
Again the prime reason for the Revolutionary War was the inability of us to create our own money supply as said by Benjamin Franklin.
What about other founding fathers.. what else were their intentions and values?

Thomas Jefferson:
“I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution – taking from the federal government their power of borrowing.”

Thomas Jefferson:
"If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks, and corporations that grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance.
THE ISSUING POWER SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM THE BANKS AND RESTORED TO THE GOVERNMENT TO WHOM IT PROPERLY BELONGS."

Andrew Jackson:
"The bold efforts that the present bank has made to CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT and the distress it has wantonly caused, are but premonitions of the fate which awaits the American people should they be deluded into a per-petuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it...If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system there would be a revolution before morning."

There you have it, some of our founding fathers and their stance on money and banking.. mostly importantly WARNINGS to the American people.
America is now ruled by bankers, we have income tax and America is in debt to the trillions of dollars and the economy is stir

It's obvious what we were always up against,
London Times in 1865…:
“If this mischievous financial policy [of creating a debt-free currency], which has its origin in the American Republic, shall become permanent, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

Woodrow Wilson, President who signed in the Federal Reserve:
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Henry Ford:
"It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

In the early 30s America went bankrupt, here is a powerful quote from Louis Thomas McFadden.. a Member of the U.S. House of Representatives whom was shortly killed there after:
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. The Federal Reserve Board, a Government board, has cheated the Government of the United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the national debt. The depredations and iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board has cost this country enough money to pay the national debt several times over. This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of the United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the maladministration of that law by the Federal Reserve Board, and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.
Some people think the Federal Reserve banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into States to buy votes to control our legislation; and there are those who maintain international propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us and of wheedling us into the granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime."




There might be a whole lot of sheep but research is the key to break out of the illusion of lies we're faced with everyday!
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
This is a very good question. I don't understand how they can create FAKE money and claim the debt is real. The only REAL money that is spent is what you and I spend.
This really freaks me out! It is just the BANKS. Their little business will fold and people will lose money and for them that is a tragedy but they don't give a flying F who they tax REAL money.
They continue to make money and the people get screwed.
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
natural born citizens (not US Citizens, USCitizens are debtors)

anyone who is aware that FDR reated a trust by seizing all the gold (lawful money) ... which back the hypothetical (endorsement) of everyone who has ever received a paycheck ... (they pay themselves with the employment application when it matures every wo weeks)

no corporation has any money (credit) ... its all debt ... impossible for any corporations to (pay) anyone ....
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natural born citizens (not US Citizens, USCitizens are debtors)

anyone who is aware that FDR reated a trust by seizing all the gold (lawful money) ... which back the hypothetical (endorsement) of everyone who has ever received a paycheck ... (they pay themselves with the employment application when it matures every wo weeks)

no corporation has any money (credit) ... its all debt ... impossible for any corporations to (pay) anyone ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26912620


Yep! The Federal Government can create its own money, but it must be backed by Gold or silver reserves.

And, Federal Law restricts this amount to 300 million dollars.

12 USC 411 is the answer, but not the solution.

Everything is a lie!!
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Now your catching on.
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12/10/2012 11:03 PM
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biggest scam in human history.
bar none.

and if may add...


wheres the christians? and other religitards?

huh?

never see them quoting the Bible on debt threads do ya'?
like holy water on a vampire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29244629


You want to know what the Bible says about debt?

“And if you faithfully obey the voice of the LORD your God, being careful to do all his commandments that I command you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
(Deuteronomy 28:1 ESV)

The LORD will open to you his good treasury, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season and to bless all the work of your hands. And you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.
(Deuteronomy 28:12 ESV)


I guess we should've elected Romney. At least he's not ashamed to mention God in public like our dear Obama.

“But if you will not obey the voice of the LORD your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
(Deuteronomy 28:15 ESV)

The sojourner who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, and you shall not lend to him. He shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.
“All these curses shall come upon you and pursue you and overtake you till you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that he commanded you.
(Deuteronomy 28:43-45 ESV)


There was a time when this country was great, but back then people coined phrases like 'In God we trust' and had the 10 commandments posted in public places.

I guess this nation is now enjoying the curses of the Almighty. ENJOY all you politically correct atheists!
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12/10/2012 11:06 PM
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
Well, why aren't ALL the nations listed.

I didn't see Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria.

Are they NOT listed because they won't provide any information OR are they the countries that all of this money is owed to for the oil we use to run our vehicles and heat our homes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2849260


They are not listed because they do not have red hand banks.
Which is one of the reasons those pesky countries need help.
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12/10/2012 11:08 PM
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We borrow money from ourselves... literally.
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We borrow money from ourselves... literally.
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But we don't get to spend it.
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12/10/2012 11:11 PM
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what if social media found away around the dollar?

could "poor" be eliminated?
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
Lucifer's Trust Fund

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Get ready to PAY UP!
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
natural born citizens (not US Citizens, USCitizens are debtors)

anyone who is aware that FDR reated a trust by seizing all the gold (lawful money) ... which back the hypothetical (endorsement) of everyone who has ever received a paycheck ... (they pay themselves with the employment application when it matures every wo weeks)

no corporation has any money (credit) ... its all debt ... impossible for any corporations to (pay) anyone ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26912620


Yep! The Federal Government can create its own money, but it must be backed by Gold or silver reserves.

And, Federal Law restricts this amount to 300 million dollars.

12 USC 411 is the answer, but not the solution.

Everything is a lie!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


AMEN BROTHA !!!! GOOD TO SEE THE LIGHT SHINING THROUGH .....







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We are not in debt. They are. It's time for the people who have bankrupted the world to face the music. Bankers, Politicians, World leaders, Media moguls, Gigantic corporations, music industry, film industry, etc.

THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE. NOT THE WORKING MAN.
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
We are the lenders,everytime you sign a check/loan/spend FRNs or have a court case assigned in your name etc...

Discharge...

pope signs all docs in red,get it?

power is in the blood


little trick i picked up
sign like this

By:first name....middle..family or clan of last name
and do it in red ink

By: means your not responsible for what you signed
do it on a check before your autograph,do it on your income tax return etc.

throw a damn stamp on official paperwork where you would put your autograph and write in red across the stamp diagonal starting from bottom left over the stamp.

do the same on the backside of paperwork/docs as well but put the stamp on top right and sign it same as other side,this keep peeps from trying ta mess with the docs.

some folks staple a $1 dollar bill across top right,remedy/choice on that dollar...right red seal for remedy and left..FRB slave.

do some research,i found great info and so can you.

Trust in GOD

Whom is it that wants us ta trust in god?

Do you have a Trust account and did you make god the trustee over it?
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This is such bullshit!!! Is there anything an average citizen can do?
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biggest scam in human history.
bar none.

and if may add...


wheres the christians? and other religitards?

huh?

never see them quoting the Bible on debt threads do ya'?
like holy water on a vampire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29244629


You want to know what the Bible says about debt?

“And if you faithfully obey the voice of the LORD your God, being careful to do all his commandments that I command you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
(Deuteronomy 28:1 ESV)

The LORD will open to you his good treasury, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season and to bless all the work of your hands. And you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.
(Deuteronomy 28:12 ESV)


I guess we should've elected Romney. At least he's not ashamed to mention God in public like our dear Obama.

“But if you will not obey the voice of the LORD your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
(Deuteronomy 28:15 ESV)

The sojourner who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, and you shall not lend to him. He shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.
“All these curses shall come upon you and pursue you and overtake you till you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that he commanded you.
(Deuteronomy 28:43-45 ESV)


There was a time when this country was great, but back then people coined phrases like 'In God we trust' and had the 10 commandments posted in public places.

I guess this nation is now enjoying the curses of the Almighty. ENJOY all you politically correct atheists!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2849260


This ^¨
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Re: If all nations are in Debt, who is the lender?
Well, why aren't ALL the nations listed.

I didn't see Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria.

Are they NOT listed because they won't provide any information OR are they the countries that all of this money is owed to for the oil we use to run our vehicles and heat our homes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2849260


They are not listed because they do not have red hand banks.
Which is one of the reasons those pesky countries need help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466471


Well, how can you trust them when they SAY they need help?

For our nation to be so deeply in debt and still be offering assistance to other nations is beyond stupid as far as I'm concerned.

Anyone with even a smidgen of common sense knows that you ALWAYS take care of your own first.

Even Jesus said in Matthew

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” And he answered, “It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs.”
(Matthew 15:24-26 ESV)

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