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Mountain Survival - Living on a Mountain at 10,000 Feet

 
Watch Ryder (OP)

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bumpdittybump....Xcellent recount & pics O.P. I'm interested in seeing your buddies solar setup...& U do realize it's going to snow...right....? Alot of snow...
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Thanks.

The solar panel set up will be revealed shortly.

Yep when it snow's it's difficult.

What usually happens is Mountain Mike moves the solar set-up all the way up to the mountain side where it gets the rays better
Watch Ryder (OP)

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that's an Aliance water jug he picked up in that video. I've had 2 or 3 of them leak on me. Not recommended.
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Hmmm, not had any issues with ours... YET! :)
Mycelium

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Nice post, OP.

I live at 5000', in Salt Lake City. Gardening at this altitude is not so hard. As an herbalist, I do have several forest gardens ranging between 6000 and 11000 feet. Mostly, the plants are local species propagated into more convenient locations for me to collect. Lots of food grows to the treeline. There ae, however, medicinals that only grow just below the snowpack. Don't let anyone tell you noting grows above the treeline. If the snow melts off, something grows. This holds true to about 12000.' The buckwheat grows to about 8000', above that, it gets down to survival foods, instead of staples.

Anyway, I am pretty familiar with your area there and it looks like a great spot! I just wanted to add some info for the folks who don't live in the Mtn. West. Tell us more, please!
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Nice post, OP.

I live at 5000', in Salt Lake City. Gardening at this altitude is not so hard. As an herbalist, I do have several forest gardens ranging between 6000 and 11000 feet. Mostly, the plants are local species propagated into more convenient locations for me to collect. Lots of food grows to the treeline. There ae, however, medicinals that only grow just below the snowpack. Don't let anyone tell you noting grows above the treeline. If the snow melts off, something grows. This holds true to about 12000.' The buckwheat grows to about 8000', above that, it gets down to survival foods, instead of staples.

Anyway, I am pretty familiar with your area there and it looks like a great spot! I just wanted to add some info for the folks who don't live in the Mtn. West. Tell us more, please!
 Quoting: Mycelium


Ok, I was gonna hold off to keep folks yearning but one more databurst for today :)
Watch Ryder (OP)

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14 June 2012

Out House Overhaul!


Mike’s field-latrine had seen better days. Indeed it needed an overhaul.

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]

Perhaps against my better judgement I pushed Mike into making this a priority on day 2.
We managed to incinerate the human waste after several hours but it was a tricky job and tempers flared late in the day!

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]

The smell wasn’t as repulsive as I expected but the biggest issue was keeping the adjacent tree’s soaked in water. Just in case they ignited.
Mike was a stalwart, he’d done this before and managed the fire well.
We had to keep a steady stream of water going in buckets from the spring.
As the blaze raged on for a while it kept trying to creep out underneath to another storage catche of materials. The memory of the horrendous forest fire in Colorado was fresh in our minds and we didn’t want any of Wyoming’s lush forest suffering the same fate.

Nevertheless it did nearly ignite a part of a catche nearby.
The initial ‘whoomph’ of the fire roaring up in the air gave us a big shock. Only a half-dozen buckets made it think again.
The smell of some synthetic materials was atrocious and it gave me a willowy head-ache for a few hours.
Mike was certain it wouldn’t of started a forest fire due to the surroundings etc. Plus he’d done it many times before safely.

By the end of the day we’d had enough and doused the fire completely.

In the following few days we resumed the work…

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]

As a finishing touch Mike added a thick plastic sheet to act as a swinging door for more privacy.
It’s a squat-type toilet, which may take some getting used to for those who have never used one before.
It also may not be rated to 200 pound + rated beef-cakes so if you climb atop it make sure you gingerly test your weight first!!



Now it was ready we didn’t need to keep digging holes around the perimeter of MMM’s land every time nature called!

Although not everyone decided to use to outhouse, which had unforeseen consequences later… ;)
Watch Ryder (OP)

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This video is quite long, it's showing Mike on a gardening spree and his method's for keeping the critters from eating the seeds



Assembly and Cleaning of BB



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Mycelium

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One solution to the outhouse problem is to build a platform with outhouse over a large 100 gallon drum. The area under the outhouse gets enclosed with one side as an access door. One goes under the outhouse, while the other (when full) gets decomposed by heavy lime. They switch when the first gets full, they get switched. If the group is less than 6 or so, two is enough.

I've also worked with slit latrines, though only for six weeks at a time or so. They must constantly be redug, filling an area relatively quickly. The work sucks, and when it's cold, the "going" gets tough.

Thanks for taking the effort to share all this. It's neat to see how other people accomplish common problems out there.
Mycelium

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What does he grow up there? At 5000', where I've grown food, it was never really a problem, but the growing season has got to be short up there. I would venture a guess, but it's just as easy to ask.

Was the grass brought up as lawn clippings? It looks quite process if he collected it all himself. It's a clever idea. I would have stuck with the chicken wire, but the mulch would keep the ever-present wind off the soil, keeping it moist. Glad you showed us that.
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that's an Aliance water jug he picked up in that video. I've had 2 or 3 of them leak on me. Not recommended.
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Hmmm, not had any issues with ours... YET! :)
 Quoting: Watch Ryder


Don't sit on it! I always find myself doing that and springing drips.
Watch Ryder (OP)

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What does he grow up there? At 5000', where I've grown food, it was never really a problem, but the growing season has got to be short up there. I would venture a guess, but it's just as easy to ask.

Was the grass brought up as lawn clippings? It looks quite process if he collected it all himself. It's a clever idea. I would have stuck with the chicken wire, but the mulch would keep the ever-present wind off the soil, keeping it moist. Glad you showed us that.
 Quoting: Mycelium


Grass?
You mean in the growing pots?

That soil was brought up from the fertile lowlands...
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Awesome post!
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10000 feet is nothing. I live at 8000 now and yes, it is desert in Colorado.
I am surrounded by 14000 foot mountains and numerous little towns are built on them, no big deal.
Elevation makes for shitty attitudes, no wonder people legalized weed here as it makes shitty life bearable.

Who wants to live forever anyway? I don't.

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I got to visit Leadville CO at the end of July one year and it was cold and rainy. here are the images - [link to www.flickr.com]

I will add that hearing thunder echoing off Mount Massive (I think that was the one) was very impressive.

I've had a few freinds (I'm in south florida) move to Vail and other places near there and come back in 2-3 years and tell me they felt like prisoners in the winter since you can get stuck by the weather.
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why is our album private on photobucket 1984
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10000 feet is nothing. I live at 8000 now and yes, it is desert in Colorado.
I am surrounded by 14000 foot mountains and numerous little towns are built on them, no big deal.
Elevation makes for shitty attitudes, no wonder people legalized weed here as it makes shitty life bearable.

Who wants to live forever anyway? I don't.

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kitty Any tips for making a hot cup of coffee at that altitude.
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What does he grow up there? At 5000', where I've grown food, it was never really a problem, but the growing season has got to be short up there. I would venture a guess, but it's just as easy to ask.

Was the grass brought up as lawn clippings? It looks quite process if he collected it all himself. It's a clever idea. I would have stuck with the chicken wire, but the mulch would keep the ever-present wind off the soil, keeping it moist. Glad you showed us that.
 Quoting: Mycelium


hi mycelium im near you at about 7500 feet and would love
to learn more about what grows and what doesnt in the area
could you start a thread about what grows an what doesnt in this area as im fairly new to the area.


ive built a greenhouse and this has worked great for extending the season

ive had successes with potatoes,beets,rye,lettuce
some bush tucker around here wild rose for hips,wild onions,
stinging nettle pine nuts and juniper berries also



my biggest problems have been wind and vermin like packrats,mice and chipmunks the ground here seems fairly fertile.

well hope you can start a thead and share what you know
about the area there are others who would like to know
as well.
sheell be right mate
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Awesome post!
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ohyeah
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Re: Mountain Survival - Living on a Mountain at 10,000 Feet
I'm in the high rockies as well. Your pics show the camp is well below tree line- no where near 10,000 ft.
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Re: Mountain Survival - Living on a Mountain at 10,000 Feet
that's an Aliance water jug he picked up in that video. I've had 2 or 3 of them leak on me. Not recommended.
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Hmmm, not had any issues with ours... YET! :)
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perhaps they fixed the problem. maybe I just got a bad batch.....
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Re: Mountain Survival - Living on a Mountain at 10,000 Feet
Oh JESUS CHRIST...
OP WTF?
We lived at 9,800' in Colorado.
For 3 years...
We survived by DRIVING TO THE GROCERY STORE.
We did keep extra supplies. We've been preppers since the early 90's.
But FFS op you make it sound like you are on the moon.

Any altitude above 6'000' can be tough on the unfit... but you soon adjust. You do fart alot the first few days because of the reduced pressure.

Had snow tires year round... always kept a blanket, shovel and food in the trunk.But thats what you do here.

Get over it op.
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Nice post, interesting to read about your adventures, look forward to more.
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10000 feet is nothing. I live at 8000 now and yes, it is desert in Colorado.
I am surrounded by 14000 foot mountains and numerous little towns are built on them, no big deal.
Elevation makes for shitty attitudes, no wonder people legalized weed here as it makes shitty life bearable.

Who wants to live forever anyway? I don't.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29206576


kitty Any tips for making a hot cup of coffee at that altitude.
 Quoting: Judethz


True. I live at 7000 feet, which is not real high but enough to notice these effects.

The coffee only is "too hot" for a minute if it is direct from the stove, and it goes cool more quickly, regardless of the temperature of the room you're in.
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What does he grow up there? At 5000', where I've grown food, it was never really a problem, but the growing season has got to be short up there. I would venture a guess, but it's just as easy to ask.

Was the grass brought up as lawn clippings? It looks quite process if he collected it all himself. It's a clever idea. I would have stuck with the chicken wire, but the mulch would keep the ever-present wind off the soil, keeping it moist. Glad you showed us that.
 Quoting: Mycelium


Grass?
You mean in the growing pots?

That soil was brought up from the fertile lowlands...
 Quoting: Watch Ryder


I was talking about the dried grass he used as mulch to keep critters off of the seeds. I couldn't tell what it was, but you have an annotation in the vid saying that it was grass.
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Oh JESUS CHRIST...
OP WTF?
We lived at 9,800' in Colorado.
For 3 years...
We survived by DRIVING TO THE GROCERY STORE.
We did keep extra supplies. We've been preppers since the early 90's.
But FFS op you make it sound like you are on the moon.

Any altitude above 6'000' can be tough on the unfit... but you soon adjust. You do fart alot the first few days because of the reduced pressure.

Had snow tires year round... always kept a blanket, shovel and food in the trunk.But thats what you do here.

Get over it op.
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Dude, "get over" what? He's just sharing his experience.
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hmmm
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Oh JESUS CHRIST...
OP WTF?
We lived at 9,800' in Colorado.
For 3 years...
We survived by DRIVING TO THE GROCERY STORE.
We did keep extra supplies. We've been preppers since the early 90's.
But FFS op you make it sound like you are on the moon.

Any altitude above 6'000' can be tough on the unfit... but you soon adjust. You do fart alot the first few days because of the reduced pressure.

Had snow tires year round... always kept a blanket, shovel and food in the trunk.But thats what you do here.

Get over it op.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28375544


You sure are a whiney little prick having lived 3 years on the mountain. Why don't you get over yourself.
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Oh JESUS CHRIST...
OP WTF?
We lived at 9,800' in Colorado.
For 3 years...
We survived by DRIVING TO THE GROCERY STORE.
We did keep extra supplies. We've been preppers since the early 90's.
But FFS op you make it sound like you are on the moon.

Any altitude above 6'000' can be tough on the unfit... but you soon adjust. You do fart alot the first few days because of the reduced pressure.

Had snow tires year round... always kept a blanket, shovel and food in the trunk.But thats what you do here.

Get over it op.
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Dude, "get over" what? He's just sharing his experience.
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Yeah, ban this jackass before he runs the OP off.

goaway
Watch Ryder (OP)

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I got up at 0500hrs to get this once in a lifetime footage.

I had the tripod deployed in the wrong position initially (a tree was blocking the shot), so had to redeploy and get the telephoto function MAXXED OUT!

By about 0530 hrs I was nearly out of time.

Then I hit record *Just* as the sun began to clear the mountain horizon...



Enjoy the moment folks, I know I did, although you can here me rubbing my freezing hands together from time to time!

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]

[link to i1048.photobucket.com]
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You guys will be the first to die when the shit hits the fan.

tounge

Seriously, though, great post -- but man, that crap you got at Wal-Mart will kill ya before marauding zombies ever do! From that photo, most of what you got is artificial and processed.

How much money did you have to spend throughout this whole ordeal? How long were you up there?

And can I join you?
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So you want to be killed too by that "Walmart crap" you were mentioning ?
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Thanks for your travel documentary!

Blogging can be a great way to help ones own memory of the experience. By sharing the experience with a few others this way the memories become more distinct for ones self as well.

cool2

My only suggestion at the moment for high altitude living is GET A PRESSURE COOKER.

Because the boiling point of water decreases with altitude, simply not allowing cooking food to rise above a certain temperature, it is difficult and sometimes impossible to cook certain things (like grains) at high altitude. A pressure cooker is a very useful piece of man-made technology that solves that.

On a wood fire for instance a pressure cooker can cook many foods with less fuel and time than simply cooking in a pot would.

I understand that there are even small portable pressure cookers made for hikers, and that they are commonly used for expeditions in the Himalayas.


Also, people who are adjusting to high altitudes, which takes a couple of weeks, need more iron, because their bodies produce more red blood cells.
 Quoting: ehecatl


I agree with the pressure cooker suggestion. Hard as hell to cook beans up here, I hate bullet beans as boiling simply is no-beuno at this level.
Pressure cookers have many other uses as well.
Also if you grow weed look into high altitude variants from Afghanistan and elsewhere, they thrive!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29206576

If you really MUST eat beans up there or you will die, better cook them beforehand and dehydrate them. Just add hot water and you're all set !
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1984
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Just wait until you meet his Little Brother...

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