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Message Subject The Idolaters Were Not Mainline Jews or Mainline Christians - Re: Pagan Influences - This data might surprise you.
Poster Handle Anonymous Coward
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Can't really back this up *but*

As a former Mormon, we were taught that a Version of Christianity existed before "Jews" popped up, one that was centered around the expectation of Messiah, rather than the one that is looking back on Messiah.

Let's suppose this is true, that God revealed his plan of Christ to Adam, and Adam and family carried on these traditions as the generations spread around the globe.

Would it not be logical to assume that some of what we call the "Pagan" beliefs and practices are really just this Pre-Christian tradition with names changing based on culture, some of the details warped, just enough so that you essentially get the same story in every culture but slightly different?

We know that "Wise Men" aka Astrologers were keeping tabs on the charts, waiting for this Messiah.

Now since Astrology is naturally cyclical, would it not be logical to assume that there were several canidates for "Messiah" in the old world?

We cannot deny that the story of Christ is a direct reflection of Zodiacal influences and correspondences. Nor should we, if God's plan was revealed to Adam, it was likely in the form of the Zodiac which is why so much Occult is hidden within the Torah as Kabbalah.

I think what we have here is a case of the tail wagging the dog, and that the root of Paganism is, in fact, Christianity.

It is the Yahwehic, Judaic interloper who first contacted Abraham that came along and really, truly messed things up and made it all very confusing, calling himself "God" of creation when, perhaps, not so much?
 Quoting: Lada D

the zodiacal influences are a reflection of the actuality/reality of Christ. not the other way around.

Christ was prophecied from the very beginning. lots of chunks of the ancient writings cut out and left on the "editing floor" of the synagogues of the time. these would be the OT apocryphals. God's plan was revealed to Adam, it is included in the writings starting with Genesis 1:1.

While there were many other religions in the world; animism, paganism; polytheism, etc etc etc, God revealed Himself to the Israelites.

You are either reading too many of apollo's threads or getting waist deep in new age stuff.

Paganism is way older than Christianity, they are completely different and separate from each other until non-mainline Jews and Christians began blending them together, and that is the premise of this thread.
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