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How about you simply DESCRIBE them?
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Whassamatter.? Can't speak for himself..?

People are noticing the sunshine hitting in places where it never did before...
Do you have a learning disability..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


And this is being caused by what? Please be specific.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Already told you.

I think you do have a learning disability.
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And I think you have nothing to offer but taunts and dodges.
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How about you simply DESCRIBE them?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Whassamatter.? Can't speak for himself..?

People are noticing the sunshine hitting in places where it never did before...
Do you have a learning disability..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


And this is being caused by what? Please be specific.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Already told you.

I think you do have a learning disability.
 Quoting: Waterbug


And I already asked you if you have any solid evidence that Earth is abnormally tilted. I think we have determined that you "don't" have any, so why are you here?
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So... how do you explain the anomalies..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

Please define the "anomalies".
 Quoting: phoomp


WTF..?

Am I in the twilight zone..?

Have you noticed that islands are disappearing..?
World climate is warming.
Polar ice is melting.
Storms are bigger, stronger and more wide-spread.
Earthquakes are increasing in number and frequency.
Thermohaline circulation is slowing.
Mass animal die-offs are being reported all over the globe.
Whales and dolphins are beaching.
Birds are falling out of the sky.
And much more...

But it's all normal, right..?
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Whassamatter.? Can't speak for himself..?

People are noticing the sunshine hitting in places where it never did before...
Do you have a learning disability..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


And this is being caused by what? Please be specific.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Already told you.

I think you do have a learning disability.
 Quoting: Waterbug


And I already asked you if you have any solid evidence that Earth is abnormally tilted. I think we have determined that you "don't" have any, so why are you here?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'm sharing my opinion..

Why are you here..?
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Anomaly...

Thread: Extreme high tide hits SoCal
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More anomalies...

Thread: MEGA Earthquakes, Magnetic field anomalies, Earth Booms and Auroras NOT RANDOM! Proof there is an outside force affecting the Earth!
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And this is being caused by what? Please be specific.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Already told you.

I think you do have a learning disability.
 Quoting: Waterbug


And I already asked you if you have any solid evidence that Earth is abnormally tilted. I think we have determined that you "don't" have any, so why are you here?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'm sharing my opinion..

Why are you here..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it.

I see you have made a hard left turn in what you define as "the anomalies" being discussed here. Did you think no one would notice?
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Is this supposed to explain why people claim to see the sun out of place in the sky?
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Already told you.

I think you do have a learning disability.
 Quoting: Waterbug


And I already asked you if you have any solid evidence that Earth is abnormally tilted. I think we have determined that you "don't" have any, so why are you here?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'm sharing my opinion..

Why are you here..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it.

I see you have made a hard left turn in what you define as "the anomalies" being discussed here. Did you think no one would notice?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Not really. The earth is an interactive system.
All of these anomalies are interrelated.

'To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it'.

Seems to be extremely important to you to perform this thankless task.
Care to tell us why..?
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And I already asked you if you have any solid evidence that Earth is abnormally tilted. I think we have determined that you "don't" have any, so why are you here?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'm sharing my opinion..

Why are you here..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it.

I see you have made a hard left turn in what you define as "the anomalies" being discussed here. Did you think no one would notice?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Not really. The earth is an interactive system.
All of these anomalies are interrelated.

'To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it'.

Seems to be extremely important to you to perform this thankless task.
Care to tell us why..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


After you explain why you came onto this thread, which was basically dead, and immediately taunted me.
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So... how do you explain the anomalies..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

Please define the "anomalies".
 Quoting: phoomp


WTF..?

Am I in the twilight zone..?

Have you noticed that islands are disappearing..?
World climate is warming.
Polar ice is melting.
Storms are bigger, stronger and more wide-spread.
Earthquakes are increasing in number and frequency.
Thermohaline circulation is slowing.
Mass animal die-offs are being reported all over the globe.
Whales and dolphins are beaching.
Birds are falling out of the sky.
And much more...

But it's all normal, right..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

All you've done is link to other GLP threads, none of which have anything to do with the Sun being in the wrong. Can you provide any actual *evidence* that the Sun is in the wrong place?

It is not thankless to prove your claims. Anyone can claim anything; proving those claims is an altogether different story.

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I'm sharing my opinion..

Why are you here..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it.

I see you have made a hard left turn in what you define as "the anomalies" being discussed here. Did you think no one would notice?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Not really. The earth is an interactive system.
All of these anomalies are interrelated.

'To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it'.

Seems to be extremely important to you to perform this thankless task.
Care to tell us why..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


After you explain why you came onto this thread, which was basically dead, and immediately taunted me.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Is there any possible way I could post on a
thread about the sun being out of place without
seeing you there..?

And, upon seeing your ridiculing of the posters... is there any way I could resist taunting you...
given our past inter-reactions..?

You know I despise bullies.
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So... how do you explain the anomalies..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

Please define the "anomalies".
 Quoting: phoomp


WTF..?

Am I in the twilight zone..?

Have you noticed that islands are disappearing..?
World climate is warming.
Polar ice is melting.
Storms are bigger, stronger and more wide-spread.
Earthquakes are increasing in number and frequency.
Thermohaline circulation is slowing.
Mass animal die-offs are being reported all over the globe.
Whales and dolphins are beaching.
Birds are falling out of the sky.
And much more...

But it's all normal, right..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

All you've done is link to other GLP threads, none of which have anything to do with the Sun being in the wrong. Can you provide any actual *evidence* that the Sun is in the wrong place?

It is not thankless to prove your claims. Anyone can claim anything; proving those claims is an altogether different story.
 Quoting: phoomp


Really..? That's all I've done...?
You are a little late to the party, so
I'll let that slide.

What I have done is to give my opinion on the
cause of the anomalies.
Read the thread, lazy ass.

Then, explain how to debunk an opinion...

I'll wait.
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To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it.

I see you have made a hard left turn in what you define as "the anomalies" being discussed here. Did you think no one would notice?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Not really. The earth is an interactive system.
All of these anomalies are interrelated.

'To try to curb this "sun out of place" nonsense by pointing out that none of the people claiming it to be true have any solid evidence to support it'.

Seems to be extremely important to you to perform this thankless task.
Care to tell us why..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


After you explain why you came onto this thread, which was basically dead, and immediately taunted me.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Is there any possible way I could post on a
thread about the sun being out of place without
seeing you there..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


Probably not, unless I'm too busy. It's pretty irresistible.

And, upon seeing your ridiculing of the posters... is there any way I could resist taunting you...
given our past inter-reactions..?

You know I despise bullies.
 Quoting: Waterbug


So you are trying to become one?
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And, upon seeing your ridiculing of the posters...
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I guess I don't know how else to respond to ADULT people who are frantic because the sun is rising somewhere else than "in the east", other than to ask them, snidely, if they have never heard of a thing called "the seasons" before. Heh.
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Really..? That's all I've done...?
You are a little late to the party, so
I'll let that slide.

What I have done is to give my opinion on the
cause of the anomalies.
Read the thread, lazy ass.

Then, explain how to debunk an opinion...

I'll wait.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Opinions are a dime a dozen.
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Really..? That's all I've done...?
You are a little late to the party, so
I'll let that slide.

What I have done is to give my opinion on the
cause of the anomalies.
Read the thread, lazy ass.

Then, explain how to debunk an opinion...

I'll wait.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Opinions are a dime a dozen.
 Quoting: phoomp


Well... that's all you get, here.

How about you show, here on this thread, unrefutable evidence that I'm incorrect in my opinion...
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Really..? That's all I've done...?
You are a little late to the party, so
I'll let that slide.

What I have done is to give my opinion on the
cause of the anomalies.
Read the thread, lazy ass.

Then, explain how to debunk an opinion...

I'll wait.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Opinions are a dime a dozen.
 Quoting: phoomp


Even less, in this case. Heh.
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Really..? That's all I've done...?
You are a little late to the party, so
I'll let that slide.

What I have done is to give my opinion on the
cause of the anomalies.
Read the thread, lazy ass.

Then, explain how to debunk an opinion...

I'll wait.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Opinions are a dime a dozen.
 Quoting: phoomp


Even less, in this case. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


What is your opinion worth..? Heh.
Same as mine...

Don't you feel a little stupid..?
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Really..? That's all I've done...?
You are a little late to the party, so
I'll let that slide.

What I have done is to give my opinion on the
cause of the anomalies.
Read the thread, lazy ass.

Then, explain how to debunk an opinion...

I'll wait.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Opinions are a dime a dozen.
 Quoting: phoomp


Even less, in this case. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


What is your opinion worth..? Heh.
Same as mine...

Don't you feel a little stupid..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


I'm not sure I have been offering only "opinion", here. I have tried to lean toward facts.
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Re: sun in wrong place...cant believe im even thinking it...tell me when i made the mistake....uk
Really..? That's all I've done...?
You are a little late to the party, so
I'll let that slide.

What I have done is to give my opinion on the
cause of the anomalies.
Read the thread, lazy ass.

Then, explain how to debunk an opinion...

I'll wait.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Opinions are a dime a dozen.
 Quoting: phoomp


Even less, in this case. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


What is your opinion worth..? Heh.
Same as mine...

Don't you feel a little stupid..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


Maybe phoomp wants to play your games. I'm over it.
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Opinions are a dime a dozen.
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Even less, in this case. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


What is your opinion worth..? Heh.
Same as mine...

Don't you feel a little stupid..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


I'm not sure I have been offering only "opinion", here. I have tried to lean toward facts.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Statements in lieu of empirical data are hardly facts..
Where is your evidence..?
Please be specific, thorough and cover the preceding 3 years starting.... NOW.
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Opinions are a dime a dozen.
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Even less, in this case. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


What is your opinion worth..? Heh.
Same as mine...

Don't you feel a little stupid..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


Maybe phoomp wants to play your games. I'm over it.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


OK with me... lmao
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Re: sun in wrong place...cant believe im even thinking it...tell me when i made the mistake....uk
Really..? That's all I've done...?
You are a little late to the party, so
I'll let that slide.

What I have done is to give my opinion on the
cause of the anomalies.
Read the thread, lazy ass.

Then, explain how to debunk an opinion...

I'll wait.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Opinions are a dime a dozen.
 Quoting: phoomp


Well... that's all you get, here.

How about you show, here on this thread, unrefutable evidence that I'm incorrect in my opinion...
 Quoting: Waterbug

Since you are the one making the claims (your opinion), how about *you* show irrefutable evidence that you're *correct* in your opinion?


Statements in lieu of empirical data are hardly facts..
Where is your evidence..?
Please be specific, thorough and cover the preceding 15 years.

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I'm not sure I have been offering only "opinion", here. I have tried to lean toward facts.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Statements in lieu of empirical data are hardly facts..
Where is your evidence..?
Please be specific, thorough and cover the preceding 3 years starting.... NOW.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Waiting for the facts here too, Menow - 3 years of facts instead of repeating your opinion that every single person on the planet who sees sun anomalies has faulty memory. We've visited your infamous link - and it's a page of yet more useless links offering absolutely zero information to address the topic at hand.

Really, Menow, for someone who's spent as much time as you have debunking threads like this on forums - and it seems you have quite the reputation out there - your arsenal is pretty lame.
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And this is exactly what astronomers (amateur and professional) do: They have stringent criteria and controls on telescope and camera equipment set up for years.

And none of the astronomers (amateur and professional) claims the position of the sun is off.
Au contraire - they all say the sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Hydra


This brings up an issue that, without expertise in the field of astronomy, I have been wondering about Hydra. Not sure what your background is or if you can answer this but the question is:

There is much discussion of 'everything being exactly where it is supposed to be'. But when astronomers take measurements on the position of celestial bodies, aren't they made in comparison with other celestial markers? In other words, are the measurements being made of only what's going on in the sky or are they actually accounting for how the sky relates incrementally to earth markers?
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Sorry AC 29871220 for my late reply - after my last post I went to sleep (at 03:20 German time).

There are two commonly used alignment techniques:
1) Alignment to Polaris
2) Two star drift techniques
Both are described here: [link to www.astro-tom.com]

1) gives you an exact alignment to the north celestial pole (NCP). You can bring it even closer by using a crosshair eyepiece (with scale) and use fainter stars closer to the NCP.
2) (in my opinion) gives only a relative position compared to other stars - but a quick look at polaris would tell you when the NCP would be off.

I own a stationary telescope, set up and aligned years before, correction for the precession every now and then. The error margin is +/- 1.6 arcmin at maximum - far, far below visual recognition.
Last time I corrected for the precession was on occasion of the Thread: Orion is in the Wrong Place!!! (Page 16)

I hope this answers your question.

As i said before: Astronomers (amateur and professional) have stringent criteria and controls on telescope and camera equipment set up for years.
None of them claims the position of the sun is off. Au contraire - they all say the sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.


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And this is exactly what astronomers (amateur and professional) do: They have stringent criteria and controls on telescope and camera equipment set up for years.

And none of the astronomers (amateur and professional) claims the position of the sun is off.
Au contraire - they all say the sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Hydra


This brings up an issue that, without expertise in the field of astronomy, I have been wondering about Hydra. Not sure what your background is or if you can answer this but the question is:

There is much discussion of 'everything being exactly where it is supposed to be'. But when astronomers take measurements on the position of celestial bodies, aren't they made in comparison with other celestial markers? In other words, are the measurements being made of only what's going on in the sky or are they actually accounting for how the sky relates incrementally to earth markers?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29871220

Sorry AC 29871220 for my late reply - after my last post I went to sleep (at 03:20 German time).

There are two commonly used alignment techniques:
1) Alignment to Polaris
2) Two star drift techniques
Both are described here: [link to www.astro-tom.com]

1) gives you an exact alignment to the north celestial pole (NCP). You can bring it even closer by using a crosshair eyepiece (with scale) and use fainter stars closer to the NCP.
2) (in my opinion) gives only a relative position compared to other stars - but a quick look at polaris would tell you when the NCP would be off.

I own a stationary telescope, set up and aligned years before, correction for the precession every now and then. The error margin is +/- 1.6 arcmin at maximum - far, far below visual recognition.
Last time I corrected for the precession was on occasion of the Thread: Orion is in the Wrong Place!!! (Page 16)

I hope this answers your question.

As i said before: Astronomers (amateur and professional) have stringent criteria and controls on telescope and camera equipment set up for years.
None of them claims the position of the sun is off. Au contraire - they all say the sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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So... how do you explain the anomalies..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

Please define the "anomalies".
 Quoting: phoomp


WTF..?

Am I in the twilight zone..?

Have you noticed that islands are disappearing..?
World climate is warming.
Polar ice is melting.
Storms are bigger, stronger and more wide-spread.
Earthquakes are increasing in number and frequency.
Thermohaline circulation is slowing.
Mass animal die-offs are being reported all over the globe.
Whales and dolphins are beaching.
Birds are falling out of the sky.
And much more...

But it's all normal, right..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


I agree with all the above i have noticed it all for some time and still we are told its all normal or some freaks telling us its "globalwarming" ,we are being lied too because the truth would have a monetary affect on the governments who would pay their taxes if the truth actually came out 5a
When the seventh seal is opened, I will deliver terrible punishments upon the earth because of disobedience. This punishment will be so severe that it will decimate huge populations ....eekerstard also
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And this is exactly what astronomers (amateur and professional) do: They have stringent criteria and controls on telescope and camera equipment set up for years.

And none of the astronomers (amateur and professional) claims the position of the sun is off.
Au contraire - they all say the sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Hydra


This brings up an issue that, without expertise in the field of astronomy, I have been wondering about Hydra. Not sure what your background is or if you can answer this but the question is:

There is much discussion of 'everything being exactly where it is supposed to be'. But when astronomers take measurements on the position of celestial bodies, aren't they made in comparison with other celestial markers? In other words, are the measurements being made of only what's going on in the sky or are they actually accounting for how the sky relates incrementally to earth markers?
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As Hydra pointed out, permanently polar aligned telescopes depend on the earth's physical orientation. And indeed, the celestial markers themselves can be measured with respect to the earth's rotation:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
When done properly, it is clear that the earth's orientation is normal. A similar method can be used to measure the sun's position as well, and indeed I'll give that another go this weekend.
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Re: sun in wrong place...cant believe im even thinking it...tell me when i made the mistake....uk
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Even less, in this case. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


What is your opinion worth..? Heh.
Same as mine...

Don't you feel a little stupid..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


I'm not sure I have been offering only "opinion", here. I have tried to lean toward facts.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Statements in lieu of empirical data are hardly facts..
 Quoting: Waterbug

Well then, let's collect some empirical data then, shall we? Like this:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
And this:
Thread: There is no physical "pole shift." (Update: There is still no physical "pole shift.")
And this:
Thread: The sun is right where it should be in the sky!
And this:
Thread: The sun is still right where it should be in the sky! *Update on page 2 for 12-19-12
Let's do it again, let's see if the sun's right where it should be... I think it's time to collect some more empirical data.
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