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5 Myths Liberals Have Created About Themselves

 
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FREE BOOK, exposing the hypocrisy and anti-social/anti-human bias of "conservatives":

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The Conservative Nanny State: How the Wealthy Use the Government to Stay Rich and Get Richer

A free e-book by Dean Baker (2006)

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Economist Dean Baker debunks the myth that conservatives favor the market over government intervention. In fact, conservatives rely on a range of "nanny state" policies that ensure the rich get richer while leaving most Americans worse off. It's time for the rules to change. Sound economic policy should harness the market in ways that produce desirable social outcomes - decent wages, good jobs and affordable health care.

What people are saying about The Conservative Nanny State

"Here is the brutal truth, exposed systematically, methodically, unsparingly. Forget the pork rinds and the hokey Texas twang: Conservative government is government by and for the upper class." --- Thomas Frank, author of What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America

"Dean Baker is one of the most insightful and original economists in Washington. With this book, he exposes the prevailing myth of modern conservatives. They are not for limited government, as they claim. Rather, they are for a government that helps their own. Baker says it is time to balance the books. Government is by all the people, for all the people. It's that simple." --- Jeff Madrick, author of Why Economies Grow: The Forces That Shape Prosperity and How We Can Get Them Working Again

"[The book] examines massive government interventions in the market-including immigration, trade, monetary and intellectual property policy-and notes how they all have the curious effect of making America's wealthiest people even more stupendously rich. And as if this weren't bad enough, Baker has made The Conservative Nanny State available for free as a pdf (or at low cost as a paperback). Clearly he's a madman who'll stop at nothing." --- Jonathan Schwarz, TinyRevolution.com

"Baker knows what the phrase "free market" really means, and in his new book, The Conservative Nanny State (which you can purchase in paperback or download as an e-book free of charge), he lays waste to the notion that American conservatives embrace anything resembling a truly free market. In fact, they're perverse Marxists, using heavy-handed government intervention to redistribute wealth upward." --- Joshua Holland, AlterNet

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[link to deanbaker.net]

THE CONSERVATIVE NANNY STATE

How the Wealthy Use the Government to Stay Rich and Get Richer

By Dean Baker

Table of Contents

Introduction

Doctors and Dishwashers: How the Nanny State Creates Good Jobs for Those at the Top

The Workers are Gettting Uppity: Call In the Fed!

The Secret of High CEO Pay and Other Mysteries of the Corporation

Bill Gates - Welfare Mom: How Government Patent and Copyright Monopolies Enrich the Rich and Distort the Economy

Mommy, Joey Owes Me Money: How Bankruptcy Laws Are Bailing Out the Rich

The Rigged Legal Deck: Torts and Takings (The Nanny State Only Gives)

Small Business Babies

Taxes: It's Not Your Money

Don't Make Big Business Compete Against Government Bureaucrats

Conclusion

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


You fuckin' twat...

The super wealthy 'conservatives' are JUST as bad as the super wealthy liberals. They are the same type of sociopaths who will lie, cheat, steal, label themselves and label you to get what they want. More money.

The US Federal Government was never intended to be a two party system. During the 1800s the bankers and communists from Europe infiltrated and have worked diligently ever since toward a goal of American domination. They gained control over the central government by means of money control, bribery, crimes against humanity, etc... They set up this two party system, Republicans vs. Democrats, Conservatives vs. Liberals, with its sole purpose being to divide and conquer the American people in order to extract their wealth. The reality of the situation is that we need to dismiss this false two party system as total bullshit. There is only ONE, two-party political system that will ever work: Individualism vs. Collectivism. This is truth. Everything else is a distraction from the truth.

The liberal morons who support the liberals in power are the ABSOLUTE WORST. At least those in power know why they're there, and it sure as hell isn't to serve the American people. Deep down inside, the plebeian liberals believe that humans are so fucking pathetic and useless that they need the government to cater to their every whim.

That's the message I receive from them, when they tell me that the 'under privileged' 'NEED' assistance from the government.

They purport Darwinism as the truth and then turn around to say it doesn't apply to humans... we're special and deserve special treatment and basic welfare... but then at the same time there is no God and nothing divine in humanity... so why are we special? What do we deserve that's special if this is the case?

I'd like to conclude that liberalism is indeed a very serious mental disorder spurred largely by the American Indoctrination 'Higher Education' Institutions we call 'college.' This disorder, in my opinion, is far more dangerous to the American people and to the American way of life than terrorism, cancer or McDonalds.
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Nice that you droned-on for ten paragraphs without ever saying anything relevant to the post you were supposedly responding to, except perhaps the first sentence. Very nice.
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The "science" behind current dietary recomendations is my favorite...

[link to www.nytimes.com]

"What's more, the number of misconceptions propagated about the most basic research can be staggering. Researchers will be suitably scientific describing the limitations of their own experiments, and then will cite something as gospel truth because they read it in a magazine. The classic example is the statement heard repeatedly that 95 percent of all dieters never lose weight, and 95 percent of those who do will not keep it off. This will be correctly attributed to the University of Pennsylvania psychiatrist Albert Stunkard, but it will go unmentioned that this statement is based on 100 patients who passed through Stunkard's obesity clinic during the Eisenhower administration"
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


absolutely, any diet which is high in carbs is going to cause people to gain weight and the "food pyramid" is the biggest joke in the world.
 Quoting: davvi


Don't forget about sun scare BS...

Vitamin D requirement that was set so low by crappy scientific study, it's taking a very long time to raise requirement to the level where it should be. I often bring that up with libtards and they went psycho over it at CNN websites. I provided papers but that didn't even matter to them! Talk about double standard...

Same for global warming BS.

Of course, there's evolution theory that we don't dare to touch if we find something wrong with it...

Fuck faux libtards.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


look at who profited the most with the sun-scare? i believe that everything we do is reflected by which donor, which major corporation will profit from the "scare."
 Quoting: davvi


Sun block lotion manufactures...

Soon, University of Wisconsin where it holds hundreds of patented knock off vitamin D will treat all kinds of disease brought on chronic vitamin D deficient!

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Another myth = all conservatives are wealthy. Libs love to try and push this narrative.
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Not at all.

Most conservatives are working class or lower middle class. Generally, people with less education, and people of lower intelligence, tend to be conservative.
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That is opposite what the exit polls showed in the last election.
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Another myth:

That liberals are more compassionate and caring than other people.

Bullshit.
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The hate in here is nauseating
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Non-rational extremes make you a sure winner. There is a neurochemical payoff in the amygdhala, the primitive instinctive part of the brain that once served two purposes. To keep tribal foragers away from the mouth of your cave, and when your mate won't f*ck you because of your unremitting stench, as an alternative to bathing twist the neck of your latest noisy newborn in protest.

This is Soothe a Rethuglican Day. Throw one a nice meaty bone from a good distance.
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In the meanwhile, you love talking about killing unborn babies...
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Yes it's to spare the population of more short-legged dome-bellied wife-beater-yellow-shirted stale-smegma exhuding throwbacks such as thou.
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Gee, I haven't tried using your mindless tactics before, it's kinda fun!
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Liberals are ignorant, lazy morans
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The hate in here is nauseating
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Non-rational extremes make you a sure winner. There is a neurochemical payoff in the amygdhala, the primitive instinctive part of the brain that once served two purposes. To keep tribal foragers away from the mouth of your cave, and when your mate won't f*ck you because of your unremitting stench, as an alternative to bathing twist the neck of your latest noisy newborn in protest.

This is Soothe a Rethuglican Day. Throw one a nice meaty bone from a good distance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


In the meanwhile, you love talking about killing unborn babies...
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Yes it's to spare the population of more short-legged dome-bellied wife-beater-yellow-shirted stale-smegma exhuding throwbacks such as thou.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


so you are in favor of killing the unborn and describe it as "choice.?" but let me guess you are totally opposed to the death penalty for killers?

i have never understood the living contradiction which is the left?
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Liberals are thieves, and liars at heart.
They pretend to be generous, but more often
than not, they are generous with
"OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY".
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Hahaha! That's funny. You must mean CONSERVATIVES are generous with other people's money -- redistributing it (in reverse Marxist fashion) to THEMSELVES. See:
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Libbers admire themselves in the moral vanity mirror, like Dorian Gray, they sold their souls for their vanity.
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^^ this is true ^^ and one thing they are very good at is projection, they very worst of their nature is what they claim their opponent is...
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The gist is that it works on people who may not be strong emotionally. They are capitalizing on this.
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so you are in favor of killing the unborn and describe it as "choice.?" but let me guess you are totally opposed to the death penalty for killers?

i have never understood the living contradiction which is the left?
 Quoting: davvi


Liberals will turn that on its head, by saying if a person is pro-life, they therefore should be anti-death penalty. But they're too stupid to draw the distinction between life of the INNOCENT versus life of the GUILTY.
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^ to continue I would compare it to marital abuse when the aggressive spouse has all his/her fears balled up in their better half.
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Hahaha! That's funny. You must mean CONSERVATIVES are generous with other people's money -- redistributing it (in reverse Marxist fashion) to THEMSELVES. See:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Wow, that's a dumb comment. You mean money that someone has earned rightfully -- referring to money that is voluntarily given to him by another person -- is identical to receiving money that a person is FORCED to give? Like the government FORCES a person to pay taxes.
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i and people like me who believe in small government have to pay for the feel good crap the left comes up with.
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Hahaha! You're a liar, as well as an idiot. You don't believe in small government.

"Big government" CONSISTS OF:
1. military/industrial/security complex
2. military/industrial/security complex
3. military/industrial/security complex
4. banking/financial complex
5. medical/industrial/insurance complex
6. everything else (distant sixth)

COUNTLESS TRILLIONS are pissed-away on the first five, which are largely the creation of the "conservative" rich. The "conservative" rich likes those complexes because they are such great CASH COWS, through which they continually milk and bleed the entire country, including the likes of you. The country is now on the verge of bankruptcy because of this. And you think it is the "liberals" or the "left" that is responsible for this?! Idiot. There is no left in the U.S., since decades ago. And the residue of liberalism was eaten by the borg, and no longer really exists; the Democratic Party sold its soul to neo-liberalism (neo-fascism) decades ago. All that exists, politically, is the right and the far right. And it has taken us down the path to perdition.

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Hahaha! That's funny. You must mean CONSERVATIVES are generous with other people's money -- redistributing it (in reverse Marxist fashion) to THEMSELVES. See:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Wow, that's a dumb comment. You mean money that someone has earned rightfully -- referring to money that is voluntarily given to him by another person -- is identical to receiving money that a person is FORCED to give? Like the government FORCES a person to pay taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29603432


Wow, that's a dumb comment. Or else you simply don't understand what was said at the link given. The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
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Libbers admire themselves in the moral vanity mirror, like Dorian Gray, they sold their souls for their vanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29621643


^^ this is true ^^ and one thing they are very good at is projection, they very worst of their nature is what they claim their opponent is...
 Quoting: davvi


The gist is that it works on people who may not be strong emotionally. They are capitalizing on this.
 Quoting: BossPickupTrucks 2530630


yes, and there is among the left a distinct need to be a part of a group. they desperately need to be validated by their fellow travelers. the idea that someone outside of their group-think could have a valid opinion which differs from theirs provokes incredible hostility from them.

conservatives think, leftards emote.
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so you are in favor of killing the unborn and describe it as "choice.?" but let me guess you are totally opposed to the death penalty for killers?

i have never understood the living contradiction which is the left?
 Quoting: davvi


Liberals will turn that on its head, by saying if a person is pro-life, they therefore should be anti-death penalty. But they're too stupid to draw the distinction between life of the INNOCENT versus life of the GUILTY.
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so true. lolsign
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conservatives think
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And YOU are an example of this?!

Bwaahahaha!
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The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
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Those "conservatives" are, in reality, as you describe them, actually champagne socialists. That includes the liberals who have forced banks to give mortgages to home buyers who can barely afford to maintain a small apartment, much less a fairly expensive house, and then force the government to bail out those banks.
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Liberals are ignorant, lazy morans
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Straight from the mouth of an ignorant lazy moran.

Seriously, how does this help you. Do you have a tiny ejaculation? Do you need one?
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Liberals are all for social change, as long as it does NOT impact them personally.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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It's funny how the Liberals will point at the evils of "Conservatism" in government as justification for their ideas and positions.
The problem is true "Conservatism" doesn't exist in Government today,It is all Liberalism. Government now consists of Liberals, Progressives, Communists on one side and Liberals, Progressives, Communists calling themselves Republicans on the other side.
Liberals don't seem to be smart enough to see that they are being played to both Hate and Support the same Policies.
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Socialism means dole for the poor and monopolies and grants for the billionaires who are friends with the government.
The working middle class pays the bill.

The opposite of socialism
is not fascism, but rather free enterprise and individual liberty.
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"Big government" CONSISTS OF:
1. military/industrial/security complex
2. military/industrial/security complex
3. military/industrial/security complex
4. banking/financial complex
5. medical/industrial/insurance complex
6. everything else (distant sixth)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


You know, it is amazing how many self-described small-government "conservatives" do not know that. They are ignorant of the barest factual fundaments of the whole discussion. They literally do not even know what "big government" MEANS, what it IS. They do not know what "big government" consists of. All they know is their narrow little prejudices -- hatred of public schools, hatred of inner city blacks, hatred of food stamps, or whatever the hell. It really has very little to do with what big government truly IS. Most of big government consists of wars, a vast military/corporate complex, a now-vast security/industrial complex including CIA and NSA, the prison-industrial complex, and so on. The typical small-government "conservative" is not opposed to big government at all. They don't even know what it IS. I know this from personal experience, talking to many Tea Party types. They are AMAZINGLY ignorant of the basic facts.
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Non-rational extremes make you a sure winner. There is a neurochemical payoff in the amygdhala, the primitive instinctive part of the brain that once served two purposes. To keep tribal foragers away from the mouth of your cave, and when your mate won't f*ck you because of your unremitting stench, as an alternative to bathing twist the neck of your latest noisy newborn in protest.

This is Soothe a Rethuglican Day. Throw one a nice meaty bone from a good distance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


In the meanwhile, you love talking about killing unborn babies...
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Yes it's to spare the population of more short-legged dome-bellied wife-beater-yellow-shirted stale-smegma exhuding throwbacks such as thou.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


so you are in favor of killing the unborn and describe it as "choice.?" but let me guess you are totally opposed to the death penalty for killers?

i have never understood the living contradiction which is the left?
 Quoting: davvi


WOW! You assume everybody's 100% polarized just like you, stereotyping black & white fool.
So boorish. So unimaginative, so dull as a saliva slimed dirt-covered spaulding in a dusty barnyard.

My good friend's 16 yr old daughter came clean 3 wks ago she is 22 weeks pregnant, wanting an abortion even after viewing the sonogram of the little munch sucking his thumb.
Long story short, murder is not going to happen in this case. Baby due in march already has connections for adoption in the works.
Yes after 2 "libruls" talk things over. Damn you assume everything you pile of subhuman waste.
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The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Those "conservatives" are, in reality, as you describe them, actually champagne socialists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29603432


Yep. Reverse Marxism. Steal from the poor and middle class, give to the rich. This is of course a complete perversion of Marxism and socialism, which aimed at the opposite outcome.

And yet the typical self-described "conservative" idiot supports those rich non-conservative "conservatives" 100%.
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Liberals are all for social change, as long as it does NOT impact them personally.
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"Conservatives" oppose social change, until the walls of their own house start caving in. Then, suddenly, they'll be revolutionaries.
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The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Those "conservatives" are, in reality, as you describe them, actually champagne socialists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29603432


Yep. Reverse Marxism. Steal from the poor and middle class, give to the rich. This is of course a complete perversion of Marxism and socialism, which aimed at the opposite outcome.

And yet the typical self-described "conservative" idiot supports those rich non-conservative "conservatives" 100%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


How do you steal from the poor?? By definition, "the poor" don't have anything to steal in the first place?

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So, one size fits all? Im liberal on social issues for the most part. However I own guns, hunt etc.. Im conservative on economic issues. We need to balance our Federal books by taxing the top 2% at Clinton era rates of 39%. 15% capitol gains rates are way too low, it'll effect me but it should be at least 22%.

Social Security is held out of peoples checks only on the first $110,000. wtf (the top 2% strike again) If we taxed every friggin dollar of wages (should be done obviously) then Social Security would have a massive savings account that would take it well into the next century.

We should also do means testing for SSI. Example: Romney shouldn't get a nickle from SSI.

Gay marriage? What do I give a shit if two gay guys want to marry each other? Allow them be as miserable as the rest of us lol.

The environment? Its too late to try and reverse whatever damage we've done in my opinion. Nature is in the process of cleaning up our fuck-ups. Its going to get bumpy i.e. New Orleans, Sunami's, Japan, Sandy etc..

Fracking? Hell yeah, although I have a dog in that fight, I still say its about as safe as you can get with our present technology. Wind and solar? Sure but the scale required to produce the needed electricity will never happen with wind/solar energy.

So as you can see Liberalism isn't a one size fits all dogma Fox News would have you believe. The same goes with Conservatives being one certain way or the other framed by what MSNBC says about them. By having only two separate factions (liberals/conservatives) we the people are much easier to govern, sell to, control. My two cents
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