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5 Myths Liberals Have Created About Themselves

 
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"Big government" CONSISTS OF:
1. military/industrial/security complex
2. military/industrial/security complex
3. military/industrial/security complex
4. banking/financial complex
5. medical/industrial/insurance complex
6. everything else (distant sixth)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


You know, it is amazing how many self-described small-government "conservatives" do not know that. They are ignorant of the barest factual fundaments of the whole discussion. They literally do not even know what "big government" MEANS, what it IS. They do not know what "big government" consists of. All they know is their narrow little prejudices -- hatred of public schools, hatred of inner city blacks, hatred of food stamps, or whatever the hell. It really has very little to do with what big government truly IS. Most of big government consists of wars, a vast military/corporate complex, a now-vast security/industrial complex including CIA and NSA, the prison-industrial complex, and so on. The typical small-government "conservative" is not opposed to big government at all. They don't even know what it IS. I know this from personal experience, talking to many Tea Party types. They are AMAZINGLY ignorant of the basic facts.
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There are huge numbers on both sides that are "AMAZINGLY ignorant of the basic facts".
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The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Those "conservatives" are, in reality, as you describe them, actually champagne socialists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29603432


Yep. Reverse Marxism. Steal from the poor and middle class, give to the rich. This is of course a complete perversion of Marxism and socialism, which aimed at the opposite outcome.

And yet the typical self-described "conservative" idiot supports those rich non-conservative "conservatives" 100%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Greed and hate don't do it for you? Simplistic stereotypical arguments starved of finer points...you must learn to grunt and have zero curiosity when it comes to close calm discussion aimed at understanding facts of anything, and have the expansiveness of a closeted shoebox containing stiff rabbit's feet and baseball cards at least 30 years old.
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The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Those "conservatives" are, in reality, as you describe them, actually champagne socialists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29603432


Yep. Reverse Marxism. Steal from the poor and middle class, give to the rich. This is of course a complete perversion of Marxism and socialism, which aimed at the opposite outcome.

And yet the typical self-described "conservative" idiot supports those rich non-conservative "conservatives" 100%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


How do you steal from the poor?? By definition, "the poor" don't have anything to steal in the first place?

.
 Quoting: Conspiracy Theorist


Enslavement. Look around, the noose is tightening
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Spoken like a true liberal. Well, done!
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bah humbug. I hate liberals. I hate conservatives.
all the same ol shit, different party.
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rockon
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Yep, I have (had) one friend who was so ultra liberal, and athiest, she bashed on anyone who believed in God or went to a church. Why? Because of their "intolerance". But she was more intolerant than any conservative I knew, when it came to any issue. Especially politics.

Most conservatives I know are so much more tolerant than she was.

She was the most intolerant person I've ever known. I finally ended my friendship with her after she kept borrowing money from me but never paid it back. She was anti-capitalism, but never had two dimes to rub together because she was so intolerant about anybody who made money. Yet, she had no qualms about borrowing money at no interest from friends who hated to see her suffer, because she had a kid with an alcoholic.

At one point, she told me that she blames the government for her marriage. She married an alcoholic, because he had health insurance. She said that if she could have gotten health insurance, she wouldn't have married him.

WTF? She makes a bad marriage choice, and blames the government.

People create their own problems, then want to blame others for them.

The only reason I stayed friends with her was because I grew up with her, but I finally had to say "enough is enough."
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satan needs his army on earth, liberals and progressives volunteered. They give up the most precious, innocent, harmless, vunerable among us....the unborn....in a bloody sacrifice to satan, how much more evil do you want?
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How simple to put people in groups or to label them, huh? Simple bitch.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25003767

Everyone is groupable and labelable.
It turns out we are all not unique special flowers afterall, but each of us belong to one of 13 Human Archetypes which, when cross-referenced with one of 13 stereotypes and a person's particular location and culture, you can create a very accurate profile of your so called "special snowflake"

sorry, that's just the way it is.
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liberals are exactly like the muzzies or the chosen that run them, nobody else matters, and everyone else has to obey or be punished until they do or until they disappear
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The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Those "conservatives" are, in reality, as you describe them, actually champagne socialists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29603432


Yep. Reverse Marxism. Steal from the poor and middle class, give to the rich. This is of course a complete perversion of Marxism and socialism, which aimed at the opposite outcome.

And yet the typical self-described "conservative" idiot supports those rich non-conservative "conservatives" 100%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


How do you steal from the poor?? By definition, "the poor" don't have anything to steal in the first place?
 Quoting: Conspiracy Theorist


Two ways:

1. After the fact, i.e. after they have received their (meager) share of the wealth. This is the part that you don't think can happen, but it does happen, and the reason is that there are so many poor people. A thousand bucks isn't much, until you start multiplying it times hundreds of millions. "Poor" does not usually mean "utterly destitute and literally penny-less". Poor people have money, just not much, on an individual basis.

2. Before the fact, i.e. before they've received any of the wealth. They are denied a fair share of the wealth as it is being created. This is the main reason why they are "poor in the first place". The big profits go to the rich. And if there are losses, the losses are socialized: spread out to all of society. Big government bails out the losers, keeping them rich.
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So, one size fits all? Im liberal on social issues for the most part. However I own guns, hunt etc.. Im conservative on economic issues. We need to balance our Federal books by taxing the top 2% at Clinton era rates of 39%. 15% capitol gains rates are way too low, it'll effect me but it should be at least 22%.

Social Security is held out of peoples checks only on the first $110,000. wtf (the top 2% strike again) If we taxed every friggin dollar of wages (should be done obviously) then Social Security would have a massive savings account that would take it well into the next century.

We should also do means testing for SSI. Example: Romney shouldn't get a nickle from SSI.

Gay marriage? What do I give a shit if two gay guys want to marry each other? Allow them be as miserable as the rest of us lol.

The environment? Its too late to try and reverse whatever damage we've done in my opinion. Nature is in the process of cleaning up our fuck-ups. Its going to get bumpy i.e. New Orleans, Sunami's, Japan, Sandy etc..

Fracking? Hell yeah, although I have a dog in that fight, I still say its about as safe as you can get with our present technology. Wind and solar? Sure but the scale required to produce the needed electricity will never happen with wind/solar energy.

So as you can see Liberalism isn't a one size fits all dogma Fox News would have you believe. The same goes with Conservatives being one certain way or the other framed by what MSNBC says about them. By having only two separate factions (liberals/conservatives) we the people are much easier to govern, sell to, control. My two cents
 Quoting: brent pops


How refreshing! A drink of water in a parched thinking/feeling wasteland.
Thank you for having commonsensical variations in your makeup. I go with everything you say except for the fracking destructiveness, but that doesn't matter.
This was the first voting season I quit voting in 40 years.
There's no room for measured appropriations as they were once intended.
Certainly all this polarized mindless extreme unreal delusion is mistaken for principles which keeps people from sorting ANYTHING out. I can't stand it either.
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The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Those "conservatives" are, in reality, as you describe them, actually champagne socialists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29603432


Yep. Reverse Marxism. Steal from the poor and middle class, give to the rich. This is of course a complete perversion of Marxism and socialism, which aimed at the opposite outcome.

And yet the typical self-described "conservative" idiot supports those rich non-conservative "conservatives" 100%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Greed and hate don't do it for you? Simplistic stereotypical arguments starved of finer points...you must learn to grunt and have zero curiosity when it comes to close calm discussion aimed at understanding facts of anything
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


"Close calm discussion aimed at understanding facts"?!?!

On GLP?!?!

lmao

You must not have been around here for more than, oh, 30 seconds or so.
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"Liberalism is like a restaurant with ugly decor, terrible food, overflowing toilets and roaches scurrying across the floor -- that stays packed every night. Sure, liberals may be sanctimonious, mean spirited and advocate policies that don't work, but you can't help but admire the excellence of their public relations network. They can laud themselves for courage because they take a stand everyone they know agrees with, pat themselves on the back for their compassion as they maliciously insult someone that disagrees with them and congratulate themselves for their charitable behavior as they give other people's money away. Liberal mythology is one thing, but what it actually looks like is a different beast entirely.

1) Liberals love science: As Ann Coulter says, "Liberals use the word science exactly as they use the word constitutional. Both words are nothing more or less than a general statement of liberal approval, having nothing to do with either science or the Constitution." The liberal commitment to science consists entirely of talking about how important science is when they believe they can use it to further the liberal agenda. On the other hand, when science shows that adult stem cells actually work better than embryonic stem cells, millions in Africa have died because liberals needlessly insisted on banning DDT or the evidence shows AIDS is never going to take off in non-drug-using heterosexuals, liberals have about as much interest in science as they do in supporting the troops.

2) Liberals care about education: If you define "education" as doing as much as humanly possible to toss plums to the teachers’ unions who help fund and elect Democrats, liberals love education. Alternately, if you define education as the rest of us do, making sure our kids learn as much as possible and are prepared for the working world, liberals don't care about education at all. They fight merit pay, oppose firing bad teachers and try to kill even effective school choice programs. Any time there's a divergence between what's best for the teachers’ unions and what's best for the kids, the kids ALWAYS lose with liberals.

3) Liberals are tolerant: In a very real sense, liberals don't understand tolerance. To them, tolerance is promoting whatever position they happen to hold while excluding all competing views. So, if a conservative speaker shows up on a college campus, liberals try to shout him down. Liberals have tried to censor conservative talk show hosts with an Orwellian "Fairness Act." They work tirelessly to try to silence Fox News, which is the one center right network up against ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC. They block professors for their conservative views, blacklist conservative actors and lock conservatives out of almost every major newspaper in America. That's not open-minded; it's a level of dogmatic intolerance that could rival the most radical cult..."


4 and 5 at the source:

[link to townhall.com]


my question has always been why are they allowed to get away with it without any one calling them on the very obvious nastiness and lies? they do because liberalism is pervasive in our culture. liberals always have back up in the form of liberals on tv, liberals in the movies and liberals hiding behind every tree and under every rock ready to pounce on anyone who disagrees with them. they are everywhere where people get their information.

FOX news is not right wing, it is just further to the center so in comparison to the usual pap in the media it seems right wing.
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I have seen this as well. Liberals are very closed minded.
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wow some of ya'll need to step out of your comfort zone a little. Travel to another culture, watch or read something that makes you uncomfortable and ask yourself why that is. One of the oldest sayings in the world is "Know Thyself" written on the Giza Plateau in Egypt to Hindu Temples in India. If you think as the people in your region thats a learned behavior, thats not who you truely are.
"Putting your hand into a river, you simultaneously touch the last of what is passing and the first of what is coming."
Leonardo Da Vinci
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wow some of ya'll need to step out of your comfort zone a little. Travel to another culture, watch or read something that makes you uncomfortable and ask yourself why that is. One of the oldest sayings in the world is "Know Thyself" written on the Giza Plateau in Egypt to Hindu Temples in India. If you think as the people in your region thats a learned behavior, thats not who you truely are.
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blwkss
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satan needs his army on earth, liberals and progressives volunteered.
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Actually, you're right. They did. But of course the "conservatives" volunteered long before. So now, all we have is the right and the far-right, ALL with souls sold to Satan. Every one of them supports the war machine, supports the death, destruction and exploitation machines. And even though both sides are now hopelessly immoral and corrupt, the hypocrisy of bible-thumping "conservatives" CAN be especially galling, I admit.
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Libs love the poor - as long as they stay poor
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But not too poor though,they still want their union fee's.
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wow some of ya'll need to step out of your comfort zone a little. Travel to another culture, watch or read something that makes you uncomfortable and ask yourself why that is. One of the oldest sayings in the world is "Know Thyself" written on the Giza Plateau in Egypt to Hindu Temples in India. If you think as the people in your region thats a learned behavior, thats not who you truely are.
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blwkss
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Goes both ways.
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wow some of ya'll need to step out of your comfort zone a little. Travel to another culture, watch or read something that makes you uncomfortable and ask yourself why that is. One of the oldest sayings in the world is "Know Thyself" written on the Giza Plateau in Egypt to Hindu Temples in India. If you think as the people in your region thats a learned behavior, thats not who you truely are.
 Quoting: brent pops

blwkss
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lol I didn't vote this year either, first time in many decades.
hf
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The rich "conservatives" LOVE big government, because it is through the mechanism of big government that they become rich and richer, every year.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Those "conservatives" are, in reality, as you describe them, actually champagne socialists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29603432


Yep. Reverse Marxism. Steal from the poor and middle class, give to the rich. This is of course a complete perversion of Marxism and socialism, which aimed at the opposite outcome.

And yet the typical self-described "conservative" idiot supports those rich non-conservative "conservatives" 100%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Greed and hate don't do it for you? Simplistic stereotypical arguments starved of finer points...you must learn to grunt and have zero curiosity when it comes to close calm discussion aimed at understanding facts of anything, and have the expansiveness of a closeted shoebox containing stiff rabbit's feet and baseball cards at least 30 years old.
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Drawn from experience much?????????????????
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Seems to me that neo-liberals want to say you can do what you want with your body but they want to make claims on your property (re-distribution of wealth) while conservatives say you can keep your property but cannot do what you want with your body (prohibition, abortion, etc.)

You own your body, there can be no other logical basis of discussion than this for we are all responsible for what we do in our bodies. From this flows all other natural rights including the idea of damaging or stealing wealth/property of others even in the name of some utilitarian "ultimate" good.

Liberals want to be able to take what you own/produce and "give" freedoms to your body through government force, both ideas are wrong as you own your body and what you produce. Conservatives are wrong in using government force to mandate what you can or cannot do to your own body.

Both ends of this false political paradigm serve to confuse everyone about their natural rights giving big government more power and influence in our lives.
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Interesting fact here, most of my clients lean republican and come to me with their life concerns, which are the same no matter where you're from or what you tell yourself about what is real.
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Religitards have the same level of integrity and myth to them as liberals do.
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_________ does not agree with my obviously correct point of view. Therefore they are just a bunch of _________, _________, and __________.

Here are some examples from my limited experence that prove my point of view: _____________________________________________________________​_____________________________________________________________​_______.

Here are some stats from my ________ leaning news source that prove I'm right. _____________________________________________________________​___________________________________________________.




This shit gets so old.
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The one myth that conservatives created about themselves..... that they are actually not the same as libs
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Religitards have the same level of integrity and myth to them as liberals do.
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And as for you, pray tell?

Are you not religious, Messiah?
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Seems to me that neo-liberals want to say you can do what you want with your body but they want to make claims on your property (re-distribution of wealth) while conservatives say you can keep your property but cannot do what you want with your body (prohibition, abortion, etc.)

You own your body, there can be no other logical basis of discussion than this for we are all responsible for what we do in our bodies. From this flows all other natural rights including the idea of damaging or stealing wealth/property of others even in the name of some utilitarian "ultimate" good.

Liberals want to be able to take what you own/produce and "give" freedoms to your body through government force, both ideas are wrong as you own your body and what you produce. Conservatives are wrong in using government force to mandate what you can or cannot do to your own body.

Both ends of this false political paradigm serve to confuse everyone about their natural rights giving big government more power and influence in our lives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432


Just cut it out. Both extremes are sickening. Talk about real people instead who tend to take issues on a case-by-case basis like most of the people I know.
I find typing is both fruitless, pointless, irrational and harmful and without nutrition beyond cardboard.
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So, one size fits all? Im liberal on social issues for the most part. However I own guns, hunt etc.. Im conservative on economic issues.
 Quoting: brent pops


Yes, there's always a few outliers like you. And many people have occasional outlying views or inconsistencies. But for the most part, the country can be divided into two mass cultures/meme-sets/mind-sets, and "liberal" and "conservative" are a useful shorthand for referring to them.

The big problem is that the whole discussion has moved so far to the right that there is no left opposition remaining. The "liberals" are on the right, and the "conservatives" are on the far right. Or as Gore Vidal said: "America has one political party with two right wings". Exactly!

The Republicans are Nazis.

The Democrats are enthusiastic Nazi collaborators and sympathizers.
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Libs love the poor - as long as they stay poor
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


And as long as someone else is helping the poor, i.e. gummint.

I love how libs HATE the "wealthy"...

that is, except for

wealthy politicians

wealthy journalists

wealthy rock stars

wealthy Hollywood actors and producers
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ITT:


>Hurr durr Amerifat "politics" hurrrrr

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