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5 Myths Liberals Have Created About Themselves

 
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satan needs his army on earth, liberals and progressives volunteered. They give up the most precious, innocent, harmless, vunerable among us....the unborn....in a bloody sacrifice to satan, how much more evil do you want?
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You argue this from a tiny point of view and fail to see the bigger picture, the context and the intention.

If you are lost at what I am saying I can explain: The universe is created with energy, but what gives this energy any meaning whatsoever is intention. Intention is more powerful than creation. Intention is everything and sets the context. If I bump into you accidentally while walking down the street and say sorry, would you say my intention was to do that? NO! I am not "trying to embody Satan". Please do not disregard conscious beings with clear intentions trying to live honestly and purely the way they know how. Keep religion to your self and out of politics please. Thank you.
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If there is one thing I have learned about the Democratic party over the last 20 years, it is whatever they are accusing the Republicans of, you can bet your last dollar they are the ones actually doing it. Hypocrites of the highest order.
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Actually, that is true. Hypocrites and fakers of the highest order. At least with Republicans you KNOW that you're getting a bunch of batshit reactionary clowns, far-right nutcakes, Nazis. With the Democrats, you get the same thing, except they claim to be something else. So, I say: you are correct!

Obama is easily the best friend the far right ever had. He WILL dismantle the New Deal social programs -- and he is damn near the only person who could! A Republican (and white) could never get away with it. I swear, putting Obama in office was one of the most brilliant moves our Nazi plutocrat overcommanders ever did.
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Umm.. NAZIs were LEFTISTS, dumbass.

NATIONAL SOCIALISTS


Libterd genius at work again thinking they can write the false narrative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29635112


Spare me. That is one of the dumbest, most laughable, most thoroughly-discredited idea of all time. Yes, the Nazis called themselves "socialists". So what? People lie all the time. -snip
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Just as you are lying right now, once again..it really pisses you libtards off when people know the facts doesn't it?

National SOCIALISTS it only means one thing.. and you cannot change that. Wear your political colors proudly nazi.

The entire commie/ liberal / socialist way is to lie, cheat and steal.

You.. are a liar.
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Umm.. NAZIs were LEFTISTS, dumbass.

NATIONAL SOCIALISTS


Libterd geius [sic] at work again thinking they can write the false narrative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29635112


Spare me. That is one of the dumbest, most laughable, most thoroughly-discredited idea of all time. Yes, the Nazis called themselves "socialists". So what? People lie all the time. Politicians and political parties lie continually, without ceasing.

Show me some historical evidence that Nazis were in ANY substantive way "leftists". You cannot, because THERE IS NONE. NONE. ZERO. And there is a ton of evidence for the opposite. For example, the Nazis HATED the socialists and communists, and put many of them in the concentration camps, before outlawing their political parties. Just like our modern "conservatives, the Nazis hated communists, liberals, feminists, gays, blacks, etc. And you might recall that the Nazis assembled the greatest military machine of all time, and threw it ALL at the communists in the East, with the purpose of smashing bolshevism and communism for all time, on the Eurasian continent.

Nazis are "leftists", ha! What idiocy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Nazi's are only considered "right wing" in the context of European politics at that time. In the context of American politics at that time, Nazis were way over on the left not far from the communists in many Americans' minds.

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 Quoting: Conspiracy Theorist


Why do you even try, that is the latest socialist lie that national socialists are not socialists.

It's bloody retarded because socialists, marxist and commies also hates each other, so this just because they hate each other they are no longer part of the same tree, that's the stupid part.

Nazis are just socialists with some nationalist stuff added to them, basically a sheeps clothing to lure in nationalists into socialism, that's what socialists do, habitual lying and deception, I'm more qualified than that AC because I live among the socialists, I see their wicked fruit all the time and I also live among the national socialists I know their wicked fruit too, they're just different branches of the same evil tree.

Also this guy is a liar about nazis hating sodomites, nazi party was a sodomite party:
The Pink Swastika
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Obviously you will not persuade that idiot.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


Yes, you are right. Probably a waste of time. I was just trying to bring a little historical truth to the discussion.

The reason the Nazis used red in their flags was to attract the the communists to the national socialist party. And guess what? It worked. The socialsts, communists, and nationalists all united, the Nazi's consolidated power and the rest is history.

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How simple to put people in groups or to label them, huh? Simple bitch.....
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Shut your piehole libtard.. there are adults here discussing very real and important matters.

Go find a fantasy to get involved in.. maybe some class warfare or racism and leave us to our talk.
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Great example of tolerance!

FAIL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530252

I ran out of tolerance when you fucking assholes decided to steal what I earn.

Fuck you. want a war?.. keep goin.
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But I really don't think the labels of liberal and conservative truly define the problem. They are commonly used from years of habit and because TPTB are hoping we don't start talking about the fact that it is THEM or US.

THEM= An enormous tyrannical government & the mega corporations and banks who own it and their minions, & the UN.

US= most everybody else in the western world

 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


THEM = everyone with an income under about $10K/year, i.e. about 5 billion people.

US = everybody else, largely the U.S./OECD states.

Yes, it is them or us. And it will be them, because we've grown fat and lazy, consuming our ill-gotten gains. They are young, hungry, dynamic, smart, hard-working, determined, while we are old, decrepit, overstuffed, static, stupid, lazy and irresolute.

The political dynamic is as follows: our nazi/plutocratic overclass used the West (and its youth, dynamism, determination, etc.) for a long time, and grew very wealthy by it. But now, the bills are coming due in the West. There is a huge aging population to take care of. There is a huge crumbling infrastructure to take care of. There is a huge ridiculously-bloated and impossibly expensive military complex to take care of. Etcetera. They don't want to pay the bills any more. It was a good run, while it lasted, but now it is coming to a close. The big money, the smart money, has moved (and is moving) East and South: China, India, SE Asia, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, etc. There are large poor and hungry but ambitious populations there that can be exploited -- people who would be overjoyed to be making $15,000/year. While the West is full of largely useless old farts with big expectations ($75K/year, and more), big medical bills, big consumption patterns. That means YOU. You are about to be thrown under the bus. The rich fucks don't want to bother picking up your medical tab or paying your social security or fulfilling the pension obligation to you. They used you while they could, and threw you some tasty morsels in order to buy your loyalty: your house (and vacation cottage?), car, boat, etc. You had no objection. You didn't ask where the goodies were coming from (in fact, a lot of it was coming from the sweat and blood of others, elsewhere). They were SUCCESSFUL in buying your loyalty, weren't they? And now you think the goodies will keep on rolling in. You think you're entitled to them. Haha. Sorry to inform you, but you're about to be thrown under the bus. And you probably deserve it. Which is not to say that the rich fucks are right to do what they are doing.
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Yes, OP, it has been said that while we may survive Obama, it's not likely the country will that liberal electorate who elected him.

Liberals declare they are tolerant while attempting to force their agenda on others and since they have such a poor work ethic, they want to force others to finance things while they do so!


I believe people have the right to think whatever they please but that right stops when it comes to my own and liberal attempts to extort taxes for promoting their own beliefs.
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Liberals who push for redistribution of wealth are headed for a sad awakening. When they discover that since most everyone in the western civilized world is wealthier than the great unwashed masses living in 3rd or 4th world countries, THEIR wealth is also being targeted to be stolen by Obama & the UN in the name of 'equality'.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Almost true. But, "their" wealth cannot quite be stolen, since it was stolen from the rest of the world to begin with. The middle class (and to a lesser extent the workers and the poor) in the U.S. have been the beneficiaries of a global empire that has successfully looted everywhere/everyone. A great big party for us, over the last couple centuries! And continuing right up to the present moment, at which the rest of the world is still lending us $billions (i.e. giving us real good stuff in exchange for our dollars) EVERY DAY. But the rest of the world is starting to wake up. This dollar-based pillaging will not continue. They want their piece of the pie. Who can blame them?

PS: The U.N. will not be an important part of it. And Obama is of course just a puppet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675



Can't completely disagree with you on issues raised in your post. But the question of 'reparations' is a tough one. How far back in time does one go to achieve some sort of parity or basis for this?

People in the United States have prospered by virtue of having had a democratic republic form of government with a Bill Of Rights, something other countries do not have. If we had not had this, I doubt if anyone other than those at the top in this country would have been able to amass what wealth the average American does possess.

Also,(in my opinion) the world is controlled, in varying degrees, by corrupt despotic governments who are not likely to give the general populace much of anything more than a pittance that they might receive any redistribution of wealth. Look what happens to much of the US foreign aid even now; like pouring money down a rat hole.

I do not think people outside the US are 'starting to wake up' so much as an ongoing consolidated effort by a select few who have aspirations of controlling the whole world are intensifying their propaganda efforts. The middle classes of the western civilized world are standing in their way.

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To AC 771675

I wrote this before reading your other post --the one about being thrown under a bus--

You have a very interesting grasp of the big picture and I would like to hear more from you. Not that I like the idea of being squashed by a bus......


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Another myth:

That liberals are more compassionate and caring than other people.

Bullshit.

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Your "Bullshit" response is ambiguous. What are you saying "Bullshit" to?1dunno1
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Liberals stink!
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They smell like Rosie O'donnels thong. pigchef
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Pass the mind bleach, fast!!!
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Another thing Im for is States Rights. If Colorado wants to vote in pot laws, why not? I wish Tx had it legal lol. There are those that might move to/out of Colorado because of these laws. I have a feeling Colorado will have a massive influx of pot head vacationers.

As long as a State Law doesn't infringe on peoples freedoms go for it. What you'll eventually have are conservative & liberal states. Everyone can pick what society they want to live in. Your a staunch anti-abortions person, then Alabama might be the place for you etc..
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Liberals who push for redistribution of wealth are headed for a sad awakening. When they discover that since most everyone in the western civilized world is wealthier than the great unwashed masses living in 3rd or 4th world countries, THEIR wealth is also being targeted to be stolen by Obama & the UN in the name of 'equality'.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Almost true. But, "their" wealth cannot quite be stolen, since it was stolen from the rest of the world to begin with. The middle class (and to a lesser extent the workers and the poor) in the U.S. have been the beneficiaries of a global empire that has successfully looted everywhere/everyone. A great big party for us, over the last couple centuries! And continuing right up to the present moment, at which the rest of the world is still lending us $billions (i.e. giving us real good stuff in exchange for our dollars) EVERY DAY. But the rest of the world is starting to wake up. This dollar-based pillaging will not continue. They want their piece of the pie. Who can blame them?

PS: The U.N. will not be an important part of it. And Obama is of course just a puppet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Can't completely disagree with you on issues raised in your post. But the question of 'reparations' is a tough one. How far back in time does one go to achieve some sort of parity or basis for this?
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

As far as it takes. Theft is theft. Murder is murder. Where's the statute of limitations? Should perps get a free pass after 10 years? 20? 50?

People in the United States have prospered by virtue of having had a democratic republic form of government with a Bill Of Rights, something other countries do not have. If we had not had this, I doubt if anyone other than those at the top in this country would have been able to amass what wealth the average American does possess.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

A favorite self-congratulatory American myth, but false. We prospered by virtue of stealing a very natural-resource-rich continent from other people. Then, the capital wealth thus generated was devoted to building up an industrial base which was in turn applied to building a vast military (and non-military) structure to rule the world, and pillage ever-more wealth from everywhere. And it worked! We all got filthy rich. But not for much longer.

Also,(in my opinion) the world is controlled, in varying degrees, by corrupt despotic governments who are not likely to give the general populace much of anything more than a pittance that they might receive any redistribution of wealth. Look what happens to much of the US foreign aid even now; like pouring money down a rat hole.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

Oh, more than a pittance. For example: the Chinese government may be corrupt and despotic as you say, but they are busy supervising the creation of vast wealth which is indeed being enjoyed, in fair measure, by hundreds of millions of formerly desperately poor people. They are on a trajectory to overtake us, and it won't take a century. Maybe two decades. And huge new middle and upper classes are being created, in the process. They are not fools. They know that you NEED a big middle class to grow a modern economy.

I do not think people outside the US are 'starting to wake up' so much as an ongoing consolidated effort by a select few who have aspirations of controlling the whole world are intensifying their propaganda efforts. The middle classes of the western civilized world are standing in their way.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

The middle classes of the West are not standing in anyone's way. They are superfluous, deadweight, about to be jettisoned.

Yes, people outside the U.S. certainly ARE waking up. They are making more money than ever, eating better, living better, and there is a relentless demand for MORE from them. They see the TV images that you see -- of fine cars, houses, etc., and they want it. And they will get it, just like you got it. The "select few who have aspirations of controlling the whole world" will give it to them, just like they gave it to you. They will be useful idiots, just as you were, and will not ask too many questions about where the goodies are coming from. Their loyalty will be bought, just as it was bought from you.
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To AC 771675

I wrote this before reading your other post --the one about being thrown under a bus--

You have a very interesting grasp of the big picture and I would like to hear more from you. Not that I like the idea of being squashed by a bus......

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YOU GOT IT, BABE! :-)

Yes, I have an interesting grasp of the big picture.
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As someone who despises partisan politics, OP is full of shit.

Stop worrying about your "adversary" and wake up please.
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GLPers!!! Stop the madness. It is not between you and other posters, it is between us and the politicians in Washington. They make drunken sailors in Thailand look like Mormons. If you believe for a second that anyone is DC is working in your interest you are completely hoodwinked. Do not tow their line, drink their Koolaid. Go to your state house and tell them to say no to Washington.
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I grew up in a liberal environment so I've seen that side of things. After I studied engineering for a while, where politically correct answers don't work but logical ones reliably do, I realized (it was a revelation!) that I could think for myself.

I still remember that moment.

And around that time I was reevaluating various liberal platitudes and conclusions. Things I heard in church and other places kept not matching my real-life experiences. Were my experiences wrong? No liberal even wanted to talk about them. Ignoring evidence is not how I was learning to take a scientific, logical view of life. And eventually the cognitive dissonance became great enough that I took a deep breath and decided to do all the work for myself.

An example of a liberal experience: I went to a liberal church group for teenagers. I wondered what kids did in this group, kids didn't usually do "liberal" or "conservative" things, so I was curious and I checked it out.

Well what they did was drugs. Heavy drugs, not just marijuana. Turns out, these were the sort of kids who were failures at school, while I was successful there.

I realized I had nothing in common with these kids. And yet I considered myself liberal, or so I was told.

So that was just one of my questioning moments leading up to my revelation a few years later. My revelation that I could shed all the platitudes (both liberal and conservative, but the ones I was carrying were liberal) and think for myself and refuse to be stopped.
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As someone who despises partisan politics, OP is full of shit.

Stop worrying about your "adversary" and wake up please.
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Do you even know who the Partisans were?

You just mean that nobody should take sides in politics, or more likely, everyone should just "broad-mindedly" agree with you.

Sorry, that isn't logical.
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Liberals who push for redistribution of wealth are headed for a sad awakening. When they discover that since most everyone in the western civilized world is wealthier than the great unwashed masses living in 3rd or 4th world countries, THEIR wealth is also being targeted to be stolen by Obama & the UN in the name of 'equality'.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Almost true. But, "their" wealth cannot quite be stolen, since it was stolen from the rest of the world to begin with. The middle class (and to a lesser extent the workers and the poor) in the U.S. have been the beneficiaries of a global empire that has successfully looted everywhere/everyone. A great big party for us, over the last couple centuries! And continuing right up to the present moment, at which the rest of the world is still lending us $billions (i.e. giving us real good stuff in exchange for our dollars) EVERY DAY. But the rest of the world is starting to wake up. This dollar-based pillaging will not continue. They want their piece of the pie. Who can blame them?

PS: The U.N. will not be an important part of it. And Obama is of course just a puppet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675


Can't completely disagree with you on issues raised in your post. But the question of 'reparations' is a tough one. How far back in time does one go to achieve some sort of parity or basis for this?
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

As far as it takes. Theft is theft. Murder is murder. Where's the statute of limitations? Should perps get a free pass after 10 years? 20? 50?

People in the United States have prospered by virtue of having had a democratic republic form of government with a Bill Of Rights, something other countries do not have. If we had not had this, I doubt if anyone other than those at the top in this country would have been able to amass what wealth the average American does possess.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

A favorite self-congratulatory American myth, but false. We prospered by virtue of stealing a very natural-resource-rich continent from other people. Then, the capital wealth thus generated was devoted to building up an industrial base which was in turn applied to building a vast military (and non-military) structure to rule the world, and pillage ever-more wealth from everywhere. And it worked! We all got filthy rich. But not for much longer.

Also,(in my opinion) the world is controlled, in varying degrees, by corrupt despotic governments who are not likely to give the general populace much of anything more than a pittance that they might receive any redistribution of wealth. Look what happens to much of the US foreign aid even now; like pouring money down a rat hole.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

Oh, more than a pittance. For example: the Chinese government may be corrupt and despotic as you say, but they are busy supervising the creation of vast wealth which is indeed being enjoyed, in fair measure, by hundreds of millions of formerly desperately poor people. They are on a trajectory to overtake us, and it won't take a century. Maybe two decades. And huge new middle and upper classes are being created, in the process. They are not fools. They know that you NEED a big middle class to grow a modern economy.

I do not think people outside the US are 'starting to wake up' so much as an ongoing consolidated effort by a select few who have aspirations of controlling the whole world are intensifying their propaganda efforts. The middle classes of the western civilized world are standing in their way.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

The middle classes of the West are not standing in anyone's way. They are superfluous, deadweight, about to be jettisoned.

Yes, people outside the U.S. certainly ARE waking up. They are making more money than ever, eating better, living better, and there is a relentless demand for MORE from them. They see the TV images that you see -- of fine cars, houses, etc., and they want it. And they will get it, just like you got it. The "select few who have aspirations of controlling the whole world" will give it to them, just like they gave it to you. They will be useful idiots, just as you were, and will not ask too many questions about where the goodies are coming from. Their loyalty will be bought, just as it was bought from you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771675

If the UN won't even be involved as all these non-USans "wake up", what exactly (or approximately) do you think they will do and how will they do it?

You're right about this being a resource-rich continent. It's kind of unfair, but because of the resources and a better-than-average form of government (I won't assert more than that; it should be uncontroversial) we had economic success and attracted more very desirable immigrants along with less desirable ones. Further immigrant pickups were done strategically around WWII (Jewish immigration before the war, German immigration (Operation Paperclip) afterward, both groups having high IQ.)

And unfair as all that is, now it's happening again. Lately everyone is agreeing, even the WSJ, that an economic boom is coming from exploitation of "tight oil" as well as "tight natgas" on this continent. Europe doesn't have this, China doesn't, nor the Middle East, as far as I know. It seems to be mainly North America.

Even China is moving jobs back here. Looks like another American century.

The last one wasn't so bad. We invented the airplane, helped develop the car, developed electric lightbulbs, radios and transmission, invented the transistor, invented computers and the internet, and so on.

We did some bad shit too, but the above list of contributions to mankind is pretty Godlike wouldn't you agree? The whole rest of the world put together was vastly less productive in creating breakthrough technologies to benefit humanity.
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[...snip...]
You are about to be thrown under the bus. The rich fucks don't want to bother picking up your medical tab or paying your social security or fulfilling the pension obligation to you. They used you while they could, and threw you some tasty morsels in order to buy your loyalty: your house (and vacation cottage?), car, boat, etc. You had no objection. You didn't ask where the goodies were coming from (in fact, a lot of it was coming from the sweat and blood of others, elsewhere). They were SUCCESSFUL in buying your loyalty, weren't they? And now you think the goodies will keep on rolling in. You think you're entitled to them. Haha. Sorry to inform you, but you're about to be thrown under the bus. And you probably deserve it. Which is not to say that the rich fucks are right to do what they are doing.
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And to that I might add:

In the process of this under-the-bus-throwing, our wonderful "conservatives" will get the "small(er) government" that they say they've been wanting -- but it won't look AT ALL like what they thought it would look like!

"Smaller government" will mean:

-- drastic cuts to social security and medicare,

-- drastic cuts to unemployment, workman's comp, food
stamps, and other essential support for keeping
people from slipping into destitution

-- crumbling infrastructure, power grid failures and
rolling blackouts, impassable roads, etc., etc.,
continually getting worse, for decades

-- failing services of all kinds, failing police
and fire support, rampant crime

-- closed schools, and an ignorant and dysfunctional
population (or MORE so than already exists);
rampant illiteracy

-- decimated or even non-existent middle class,

-- the return of something resembling medieval
feudalism, with the poor (formerly middle-class)
working as serfs for manorial lords

-- more or less everything spiralling downward.

THAT will be the fruit of your anti-big-government faux (Koch brothers) populism, you idiots! You'll GET your small government, all right. And it will be ugly as sin. You'll get smaller government in all the ways that will hurt you, and all the people around you.

If we really wanted smaller government -- as we should have, 50 and 75 years ago -- we would have insisted on NOT allowing the financially ruinous (as well as morally unsound) military/industrial/security complex to be built to begin with. We would have listened to the (WISE) authentic traditional conservatives who urged us NOT to engage in foreign wars. We would have had the sense NOT to create a global empire requiring a vast military and support structures to survive. We would NOT have allowed neo-cons to take over the government and foreign policy. We would NOT have allowed the development of a medical/industrial complex that costs per capita fully THRICE the health care costs of other developed nations. And so on. But we didn't. And now it is too late. Big Government is baked in the cake. To dismantle big government now is to dismantle the entire American way of life, because EVERYONE depends on big government. (Not that dismantling the American way of life is ultimately a bad thing; actually it is a good thing; but in the process it will be ugly.) To dismantle big government now (by "now" I mean over a short period, such as a single generation) is to precipitate a very nasty social and economic implosion, with all the features as on my bullet list above. Ugly as sin, for decades.

Theoretically, we could do it without that ugliness. We could make a collective decision to SLOWLY reduce big government, over many decades. Some intellectuals have suggested this over the years. Seymour Melman comes to mind. He was one of the best scholars of the military/industrial buildup, and he wrote often about the (long, slow) process of economic conversion, going from a permanent war economy to an economy of peace, and human and social development. But alas, no one listened. Everyone was busy spending their handsome paychecks on boats and cottages. And now it is too late.

Theoretically, we could do it without the ugliness, but we won't get the chance. Too late now. We've reached the end of the line. The rest of the world is fed up with us, and the rich fucks don't want to be bothered paying for our bloated "needs".

Of course, the rich fucks LOVE all this anti-big-government activism. Plays directly into their hands! Big government made them rich, but it also made all kinds of promises that they don't want to stick around and pay. So they'll take the riches and let us have our "small government", now. In fact, like the Koch brothers, they'll even devote a few $million (out of petty cash) to create astro-turf anti-big-government groups to pressure congress to dismantle the programs on which the country depends.

They'll take the riches, pack up and move East and South, just as they have been for decades; didn't you notice? All the factories and everything else moving to Mexico, China, India, Vietnam, etc.? They're leaving, and they won't be coming back for many decades, if ever. Why should they? They don't want to be stuck with the tab for your quadruple bypass operation.

Before this is over, you'll be on your knees BEGGING for big government to come back and make things like they were. But then it will be too late. It is already too late.
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Another thing Im for is States Rights. If Colorado wants to vote in pot laws, why not? I wish Tx had it legal lol. There are those that might move to/out of Colorado because of these laws. I have a feeling Colorado will have a massive influx of pot head vacationers.

As long as a State Law doesn't infringe on peoples freedoms go for it. What you'll eventually have are conservative & liberal states. Everyone can pick what society they want to live in. Your a staunch anti-abortions person, then Alabama might be the place for you etc..
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Secession is the answer. Break the country up into regions. The liberals and their poorasite pets can have their Socialist Republics. Conservatives will build an industrial/agrarian state which supplies the liberal paper-shuffling bureaucrats and their fat poor with necessities.
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I grew up in a liberal environment so I've seen that side of things. After I studied engineering for a while, where politically correct answers don't work but logical ones reliably do, I realized (it was a revelation!) that I could think for myself.

I still remember that moment.

And around that time I was reevaluating various liberal platitudes and conclusions. Things I heard in church and other places kept not matching my real-life experiences. Were my experiences wrong? No liberal even wanted to talk about them. Ignoring evidence is not how I was learning to take a scientific, logical view of life. And eventually the cognitive dissonance became great enough that I took a deep breath and decided to do all the work for myself.

An example of a liberal experience: I went to a liberal church group for teenagers. I wondered what kids did in this group, kids didn't usually do "liberal" or "conservative" things, so I was curious and I checked it out.

Well what they did was drugs. Heavy drugs, not just marijuana. Turns out, these were the sort of kids who were failures at school, while I was successful there.

I realized I had nothing in common with these kids. And yet I considered myself liberal, or so I was told.

So that was just one of my questioning moments leading up to my revelation a few years later. My revelation that I could shed all the platitudes (both liberal and conservative, but the ones I was carrying were liberal) and think for myself and refuse to be stopped.
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If the UN won't even be involved as all these non-USans "wake up", what exactly (or approximately) do you think they will do and how will they do it?
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I don't understand the question. It is not what I "think" they will do; it is what they ARE DOING, right now. They are getting richer. They are eating better. They want more. And they will get it. Look at the numbers. Look at the GDP growth of China and India (that's about 1/3 of the planet's residents, right there). It's phenomenal.

everyone is agreeing, even the WSJ, that an economic boom is coming from exploitation of "tight oil" as well as "tight natgas" on this continent. Europe doesn't have this, China doesn't, nor the Middle East, as far as I know. It seems to be mainly North America.
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Eurasia is SWIMMING in natural gas! They will not run short for centuries. But it will not have to last for centuries, because the movement to renewables is moving fast enough.

Even China is moving jobs back here. Looks like another American century.
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True that the wage differential is a good deal smaller than it used to be. That is a measure of how far China has come, not that we're on the verge of an "American century"! Yes, I'm sure the Chinese will find some things for us to do, at minimum wage. They'll need flunkies to do odd grunt work, as things progress. That'll be some "American century". ;-)

We invented the airplane, helped develop the car, developed electric lightbulbs, radios and transmission, invented the transistor, invented computers and the internet, and so on.
We did some bad shit too, but the above list of contributions to mankind is pretty Godlike wouldn't you agree? The whole rest of the world put together was vastly less productive in creating breakthrough technologies to benefit humanity.
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The auto was a terrible invention, very destructive. But on the whole you are right -- lots of great inventions. But that, too, will move East now...

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bah humbug. I hate liberals. I hate conservatives.
all the same ol shit, different party.
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cowgal Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
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"Liberalism is like a restaurant with ugly decor, terrible food, overflowing toilets and roaches scurrying across the floor -- that stays packed every night. Sure, liberals may be sanctimonious, mean spirited and advocate policies that don't work, but you can't help but admire the excellence of their public relations network. They can laud themselves for courage because they take a stand everyone they know agrees with, pat themselves on the back for their compassion as they maliciously insult someone that disagrees with them and congratulate themselves for their charitable behavior as they give other people's money away. Liberal mythology is one thing, but what it actually looks like is a different beast entirely.
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Ok, you are a good example of a bitchy Ann-coulter wannabe (EWW!), but not even close to that retched rag. (excuse my judgemnt but, seriously?) Fortunately many conservatives respect that everyone is different and dont try to be the alpha insecure wannabe making a fool of himself.

Now since you are probably asking yourself why a Mexican is bitch slapping you, lets just say it is allowed during universal philosophy and political discussions.

The problem with many conservatives is they see the world in simple 2D planes and are unable to see the complexity and the denizens us deep minds see. You see, there are different kinds of people and we are diverse societies with many points of view. I find the most limited ones on all sides of the spectrum those that cannot see things outside their teenyweeny window of observation, framed by all the false dogmas and crap loaded onto them, limiting their field of vision.

One must understand that it is a different physiology all together. Liberals are more like women: emotional, empathetic and put love and warmth in front of corporate greed and status quo. Justice takes a much deeper meaning and dimension when you really stick to your principles you know. You cannot say this is good or bad, its just different priorities. Good and bad according to who?

Now, do you agree with a more calm and sensible explanation like that one? Is that what you meant by: They can laud themselves for courage because they take a stand everyone they know agrees with, pat themselves on the back for their compassion as they maliciously insult someone that disagrees with them and congratulate themselves for their charitable behavior as they give other people's money away.
I dont disagree entirely with you, there are some sick freakin liberals/democrats/progressives out there. Still not enough to outnumber the huge amount of sick conservative/republican/neocon/corporatist/cleptocratist. And not enough to safely generalize that liberal mindsets are defunct/wrong/stupid/inhumane/leachy/etc/etc/etc...

1) Liberals love science: As Ann Coulter says, "Liberals use the word science exactly as they use the word constitutional. Both words are nothing more or less than a general statement of liberal approval, having nothing to do with either science or the Constitution." The liberal commitment to science consists entirely of talking about how important science is when they believe they can use it to further the liberal agenda. On the other hand, when science shows that adult stem cells actually work better than embryonic stem cells, millions in Africa have died because liberals needlessly insisted on banning DDT or the evidence shows AIDS is never going to take off in non-drug-using heterosexuals, liberals have about as much interest in science as they do in supporting the troops.
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Alright, to begin with, none of those decisions were majority liberal based. Second, how old are you? Are you a scientist? Do you know what the fuck you are talking about or just venting frustration or really insecure? Jeez man, get a lid on yourself, you sound like a yapping little girl, yapping without thinking. To conclude, stem cell research was thwarted mostly by conservatives. Do you understand the issues with DDT? If you did, you wouldn't say stupid stuff like that. Are you stupid? AIDS is a huge problem in both homo and heterosexuals AND in non-drug using and drug using people! Viruses don't have gaydar moran, Fucking Hell dude! go back to school or shut up. Sorry but you know jack shiitt! He is a motherfucker!

2) Liberals care about education: If you define "education" as doing as much as humanly possible to toss plums to the teachers’ unions who help fund and elect Democrats, liberals love education. Alternately, if you define education as the rest of us do, making sure our kids learn as much as possible and are prepared for the working world, liberals don't care about education at all. They fight merit pay, oppose firing bad teachers and try to kill even effective school choice programs. Any time there's a divergence between what's best for the teachers’ unions and what's best for the kids, the kids ALWAYS lose with liberals.
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Listen, in Mexico, teachers unions are so corrupt, that they are Right-wing. True that. Still today, kids are intentionally half-taught and kept dumb to make sure the people stay obedient to the post-colonial powers. Be happy you have functioning unions that want the best for the kids, they are inevitable in the grand scheme of things, as is impermanence and the fact that the people on the bottom demand more from the people at the top. Responsibility is a bitch isn't it? Deal with it and quite whining.

3) Liberals are tolerant: In a very real sense, liberals don't understand tolerance. To them, tolerance is promoting whatever position they happen to hold while excluding all competing views. So, if a conservative speaker shows up on a college campus, liberals try to shout him down. Liberals have tried to censor conservative talk show hosts with an Orwellian "Fairness Act." They work tirelessly to try to silence Fox News, which is the one center right network up against ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC. They block professors for their conservative views, blacklist conservative actors and lock conservatives out of almost every major newspaper in America. That's not open-minded; it's a level of dogmatic intolerance that could rival the most radical cult..."
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I dont know what you are talking about, maybe singling out some liberal assholes, yes they are some, but generalizing like that really makes you lok bad dude. It sounds like you are whining again. Stand up and live up to your rol in society like a man and quit thinking everyone is against you FFS. If you presented these kinds of arguments on a paper in school, you Fail bigtime!


4 and 5 at the source:

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my question has always been why are they allowed to get away with it without any one calling them on the very obvious nastiness and lies? they do because liberalism is pervasive in our culture. liberals always have back up in the form of liberals on tv, liberals in the movies and liberals hiding behind every tree and under every rock ready to pounce on anyone who disagrees with them. they are everywhere where people get their information.
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If the information is accurate, then they have every right to defend such accuracy. If you have a better argument than them liberalz, then please do present it. I am sure that if it is good information, it would be accepted. Few cultures are taught to analyze and research from early on. Critical thinking is a commodity these days and it is mainly coming from those who can indulge and assume complexity, particularly in the social sciences. If you cannot take the heat, I suggest changing careers.

FOX news is not right wing, it is just further to the center so in comparison to the usual pap in the media it seems right wing.
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Aaaaaaaand, this is the view of a sociopath who chooses the reality they wish to view. FAIL!
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you really don have quite an exalted opinion of yourself and honestly believe that i am going to wade through above crap? lol, i don't think so...oh and by the way >>>>>

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We invented the airplane, helped develop the car, developed electric lightbulbs, radios and transmission, invented the transistor, invented computers and the internet, and so on.
We did some bad shit too, but the above list of contributions to mankind is pretty Godlike wouldn't you agree? The whole rest of the world put together was vastly less productive in creating breakthrough technologies to benefit humanity.
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The auto was a terrible invention, very destructive. But on the whole you are right -- lots of great inventions. But that, too, will move East now...

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UN says China overtakes US in number of patent filings
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Oops, I didn't say we invented the auto, just helped to develop it. The Germans invented it, or at least Benz is thought to have sold the first cars.

I'm glad the Chinese are getting into the swing of things, it's fairly embarrassing that they are still repeating the stuff they invented 4000 years ago (paper, I think writing, there are a few big ones that apparently they had first but it has been a while.)

Patents these days are funny, since about 15 years ago you can patent a "process", so there have been a lot of bullshit patents. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese patent quality has been at least as high as ours during this time; I just don't know. But it's not quite the measure it used to be.

I don't see us as an opponent to China. We can both prosper. I think the well educated classe in each country respects the other. I think it's a productive rivalry more than a destructive one. But countries without a large class of highly educated and educable people are continuing to lose out, as all they may have to contribute is natural resources.

BTW if Asia is awash in oil and gas, why do they keep importing the stuff? And if one part of Asia is "awash" in it (Indonesia maybe?) it doesn't mean other Asian countries (China) get it for a bargain price. It's all business, especially in Asia.
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the return of something resembling medieval
feudalism, with the poor (formerly middle-class)
working as serfs for manorial lords


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This has begun with the former migrate farmers...
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"Liberalism is like a restaurant with ugly decor, terrible food, overflowing toilets and roaches scurrying across the floor -- that stays packed every night. Sure, liberals may be sanctimonious, mean spirited and advocate policies that don't work, but you can't help but admire the excellence of their public relations network. They can laud themselves for courage because they take a stand everyone they know agrees with, pat themselves on the back for their compassion as they maliciously insult someone that disagrees with them and congratulate themselves for their charitable behavior as they give other people's money away. Liberal mythology is one thing, but what it actually looks like is a different beast entirely.
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Ok, you are a good example of a bitchy Ann-coulter wannabe (EWW!), but not even close to that retched rag. (excuse my judgemnt but, seriously?) Fortunately many conservatives respect that everyone is different and dont try to be the alpha insecure wannabe making a fool of himself.

Now since you are probably asking yourself why a Mexican is bitch slapping you, lets just say it is allowed during universal philosophy and political discussions.

The problem with many conservatives is they see the world in simple 2D planes and are unable to see the complexity and the denizens us deep minds see. You see, there are different kinds of people and we are diverse societies with many points of view. I find the most limited ones on all sides of the spectrum those that cannot see things outside their teenyweeny window of observation, framed by all the false dogmas and crap loaded onto them, limiting their field of vision.

One must understand that it is a different physiology all together. Liberals are more like women: emotional, empathetic and put love and warmth in front of corporate greed and status quo. Justice takes a much deeper meaning and dimension when you really stick to your principles you know. You cannot say this is good or bad, its just different priorities. Good and bad according to who?

Now, do you agree with a more calm and sensible explanation like that one? Is that what you meant by: They can laud themselves for courage because they take a stand everyone they know agrees with, pat themselves on the back for their compassion as they maliciously insult someone that disagrees with them and congratulate themselves for their charitable behavior as they give other people's money away.
I dont disagree entirely with you, there are some sick freakin liberals/democrats/progressives out there. Still not enough to outnumber the huge amount of sick conservative/republican/neocon/corporatist/cleptocratist. And not enough to safely generalize that liberal mindsets are defunct/wrong/stupid/inhumane/leachy/etc/etc/etc...

1) Liberals love science: As Ann Coulter says, "Liberals use the word science exactly as they use the word constitutional. Both words are nothing more or less than a general statement of liberal approval, having nothing to do with either science or the Constitution." The liberal commitment to science consists entirely of talking about how important science is when they believe they can use it to further the liberal agenda. On the other hand, when science shows that adult stem cells actually work better than embryonic stem cells, millions in Africa have died because liberals needlessly insisted on banning DDT or the evidence shows AIDS is never going to take off in non-drug-using heterosexuals, liberals have about as much interest in science as they do in supporting the troops.
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Alright, to begin with, none of those decisions were majority liberal based. Second, how old are you? Are you a scientist? Do you know what the fuck you are talking about or just venting frustration or really insecure? Jeez man, get a lid on yourself, you sound like a yapping little girl, yapping without thinking. To conclude, stem cell research was thwarted mostly by conservatives. Do you understand the issues with DDT? If you did, you wouldn't say stupid stuff like that. Are you stupid? AIDS is a huge problem in both homo and heterosexuals AND in non-drug using and drug using people! Viruses don't have gaydar moran, Fucking Hell dude! go back to school or shut up. Sorry but you know jack shiitt! He is a motherfucker!

2) Liberals care about education: If you define "education" as doing as much as humanly possible to toss plums to the teachers’ unions who help fund and elect Democrats, liberals love education. Alternately, if you define education as the rest of us do, making sure our kids learn as much as possible and are prepared for the working world, liberals don't care about education at all. They fight merit pay, oppose firing bad teachers and try to kill even effective school choice programs. Any time there's a divergence between what's best for the teachers’ unions and what's best for the kids, the kids ALWAYS lose with liberals.
 Quoting: davvi


Listen, in Mexico, teachers unions are so corrupt, that they are Right-wing. True that. Still today, kids are intentionally half-taught and kept dumb to make sure the people stay obedient to the post-colonial powers. Be happy you have functioning unions that want the best for the kids, they are inevitable in the grand scheme of things, as is impermanence and the fact that the people on the bottom demand more from the people at the top. Responsibility is a bitch isn't it? Deal with it and quite whining.

3) Liberals are tolerant: In a very real sense, liberals don't understand tolerance. To them, tolerance is promoting whatever position they happen to hold while excluding all competing views. So, if a conservative speaker shows up on a college campus, liberals try to shout him down. Liberals have tried to censor conservative talk show hosts with an Orwellian "Fairness Act." They work tirelessly to try to silence Fox News, which is the one center right network up against ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC. They block professors for their conservative views, blacklist conservative actors and lock conservatives out of almost every major newspaper in America. That's not open-minded; it's a level of dogmatic intolerance that could rival the most radical cult..."
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I dont know what you are talking about, maybe singling out some liberal assholes, yes they are some, but generalizing like that really makes you lok bad dude. It sounds like you are whining again. Stand up and live up to your rol in society like a man and quit thinking everyone is against you FFS. If you presented these kinds of arguments on a paper in school, you Fail bigtime!


4 and 5 at the source:

[link to townhall.com]


my question has always been why are they allowed to get away with it without any one calling them on the very obvious nastiness and lies? they do because liberalism is pervasive in our culture. liberals always have back up in the form of liberals on tv, liberals in the movies and liberals hiding behind every tree and under every rock ready to pounce on anyone who disagrees with them. they are everywhere where people get their information.
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If the information is accurate, then they have every right to defend such accuracy. If you have a better argument than them liberalz, then please do present it. I am sure that if it is good information, it would be accepted. Few cultures are taught to analyze and research from early on. Critical thinking is a commodity these days and it is mainly coming from those who can indulge and assume complexity, particularly in the social sciences. If you cannot take the heat, I suggest changing careers.

FOX news is not right wing, it is just further to the center so in comparison to the usual pap in the media it seems right wing.
 Quoting: davvi


Aaaaaaaand, this is the view of a sociopath who chooses the reality they wish to view. FAIL!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530252


you really don have quite an exalted opinion of yourself and honestly believe that i am going to wade through above crap? lol, i don't think so...oh and by the way >>>>>

:boyisayboy:
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How can you rebut me if you haven't even read what I have to say? You chicken! I might have a few uppercuts and bitch slaps and you wont be able to deal with the pain?

Little house of cards coming down? awww... luttle babey no wanna play with own rules & cry to momma? uuwww...

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I grew up in a liberal environment so I've seen that side of things. After I studied engineering for a while, where politically correct answers don't work but logical ones reliably do, I realized (it was a revelation!) that I could think for myself.

I still remember that moment.

And around that time I was reevaluating various liberal platitudes and conclusions. Things I heard in church and other places kept not matching my real-life experiences. Were my experiences wrong? No liberal even wanted to talk about them. Ignoring evidence is not how I was learning to take a scientific, logical view of life. And eventually the cognitive dissonance became great enough that I took a deep breath and decided to do all the work for myself.

An example of a liberal experience: I went to a liberal church group for teenagers. I wondered what kids did in this group, kids didn't usually do "liberal" or "conservative" things, so I was curious and I checked it out.

Well what they did was drugs. Heavy drugs, not just marijuana. Turns out, these were the sort of kids who were failures at school, while I was successful there.

I realized I had nothing in common with these kids. And yet I considered myself liberal, or so I was told.

So that was just one of my questioning moments leading up to my revelation a few years later. My revelation that I could shed all the platitudes (both liberal and conservative, but the ones I was carrying were liberal) and think for myself and refuse to be stopped.
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welcome into the light, ffriend.
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Thank you, and thank you for your posts and threads. I've supported two or three of your threads (while I've been this AC number :) :hf:

BTW I remember the "moment" I decided to think for myaelf, even though it was over 30 years ago! There's a lot I don't know, but these days it's generally stuff that other people don't know either.
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BTW if Asia is awash in oil and gas, why do they keep importing the stuff? And if one part of Asia is "awash" in it (Indonesia maybe?) it doesn't mean other Asian countries (China) get it for a bargain price. It's all business, especially in Asia.
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They don't import the stuff - gas. They have no need to. China, Iran, India, Malaysia, India, all have huge reserves.
Australia, too. (Not strictly in Asia, but a close neighbor.) As for oil: similar. Those same countries have a lot of oil, and there is even more in Russia and (of course) the middle east. Agreed that presence in one country does not mean bargain prices for another. But do not overlook a critical fact: NOT having to transport energy over extremely long distances, especially over oceans, is a big advantage. Huge, even.

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