5 Myths Liberals Have Created About Themselves

Just as you are lying right now, once again..it really pisses you libtards off when people know the facts doesn't it?

National SOCIALISTS it only means one thing.. and you cannot change that. Wear your political colors proudly nazi.

The entire commie/ liberal / socialist way is to lie, cheat and steal.

You.. are a liar.

Yes, you are right. Probably a waste of time. I was just trying to bring a little historical truth to the discussion.

The reason the Nazis used red in their flags was to attract the the communists to the national socialist party. And guess what? It worked. The socialsts, communists, and nationalists all united, the Nazi's consolidated power and the rest is history.

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I ran out of tolerance when you fucking assholes decided to steal what I earn.

Fuck you. want a war?.. keep goin.

THEM = everyone with an income under about $10K/year, i.e. about 5 billion people.

US = everybody else, largely the U.S./OECD states.

Yes, it is them or us. And it will be them, because we've grown fat and lazy, consuming our ill-gotten gains. They are young, hungry, dynamic, smart, hard-working, determined, while we are old, decrepit, overstuffed, static, stupid, lazy and irresolute.

The political dynamic is as follows: our nazi/plutocratic overclass used the West (and its youth, dynamism, determination, etc.) for a long time, and grew very wealthy by it. But now, the bills are coming due in the West. There is a huge aging population to take care of. There is a huge crumbling infrastructure to take care of. There is a huge ridiculously-bloated and impossibly expensive military complex to take care of. Etcetera. They don't want to pay the bills any more. It was a good run, while it lasted, but now it is coming to a close. The big money, the smart money, has moved (and is moving) East and South: China, India, SE Asia, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, etc. There are large poor and hungry but ambitious populations there that can be exploited -- people who would be overjoyed to be making $15,000/year. While the West is full of largely useless old farts with big expectations ($75K/year, and more), big medical bills, big consumption patterns. That means YOU. You are about to be thrown under the bus. The rich fucks don't want to bother picking up your medical tab or paying your social security or fulfilling the pension obligation to you. They used you while they could, and threw you some tasty morsels in order to buy your loyalty: your house (and vacation cottage?), car, boat, etc. You had no objection. You didn't ask where the goodies were coming from (in fact, a lot of it was coming from the sweat and blood of others, elsewhere). They were SUCCESSFUL in buying your loyalty, weren't they? And now you think the goodies will keep on rolling in. You think you're entitled to them. Haha. Sorry to inform you, but you're about to be thrown under the bus. And you probably deserve it. Which is not to say that the rich fucks are right to do what they are doing.

Yes, OP, it has been said that while we may survive Obama, it's not likely the country will that liberal electorate who elected him.

Liberals declare they are tolerant while attempting to force their agenda on others and since they have such a poor work ethic, they want to force others to finance things while they do so!


I believe people have the right to think whatever they please but that right stops when it comes to my own and liberal attempts to extort taxes for promoting their own beliefs.

Can't completely disagree with you on issues raised in your post. But the question of 'reparations' is a tough one. How far back in time does one go to achieve some sort of parity or basis for this?

People in the United States have prospered by virtue of having had a democratic republic form of government with a Bill Of Rights, something other countries do not have. If we had not had this, I doubt if anyone other than those at the top in this country would have been able to amass what wealth the average American does possess.

Also,(in my opinion) the world is controlled, in varying degrees, by corrupt despotic governments who are not likely to give the general populace much of anything more than a pittance that they might receive any redistribution of wealth. Look what happens to much of the US foreign aid even now; like pouring money down a rat hole.

I do not think people outside the US are 'starting to wake up' so much as an ongoing consolidated effort by a select few who have aspirations of controlling the whole world are intensifying their propaganda efforts. The middle classes of the western civilized world are standing in their way.

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To AC 771675

I wrote this before reading your other post --the one about being thrown under a bus--

You have a very interesting grasp of the big picture and I would like to hear more from you. Not that I like the idea of being squashed by a bus......

Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 12/11/2012 02:16 PM

Your "Bullshit" response is ambiguous. What are you saying "Bullshit" to?

Pass the mind bleach, fast!!!

Another thing Im for is States Rights. If Colorado wants to vote in pot laws, why not? I wish Tx had it legal lol. There are those that might move to/out of Colorado because of these laws. I have a feeling Colorado will have a massive influx of pot head vacationers.

As long as a State Law doesn't infringe on peoples freedoms go for it. What you'll eventually have are conservative & liberal states. Everyone can pick what society they want to live in. Your a staunch anti-abortions person, then Alabama might be the place for you etc..

As far as it takes. Theft is theft. Murder is murder. Where's the statute of limitations? Should perps get a free pass after 10 years? 20? 50?


A favorite self-congratulatory American myth, but false. We prospered by virtue of stealing a very natural-resource-rich continent from other people. Then, the capital wealth thus generated was devoted to building up an industrial base which was in turn applied to building a vast military (and non-military) structure to rule the world, and pillage ever-more wealth from everywhere. And it worked! We all got filthy rich. But not for much longer.


Oh, more than a pittance. For example: the Chinese government may be corrupt and despotic as you say, but they are busy supervising the creation of vast wealth which is indeed being enjoyed, in fair measure, by hundreds of millions of formerly desperately poor people. They are on a trajectory to overtake us, and it won't take a century. Maybe two decades. And huge new middle and upper classes are being created, in the process. They are not fools. They know that you NEED a big middle class to grow a modern economy.


The middle classes of the West are not standing in anyone's way. They are superfluous, deadweight, about to be jettisoned.

Yes, people outside the U.S. certainly ARE waking up. They are making more money than ever, eating better, living better, and there is a relentless demand for MORE from them. They see the TV images that you see -- of fine cars, houses, etc., and they want it. And they will get it, just like you got it. The "select few who have aspirations of controlling the whole world" will give it to them, just like they gave it to you. They will be useful idiots, just as you were, and will not ask too many questions about where the goodies are coming from. Their loyalty will be bought, just as it was bought from you.

YOU GOT IT, BABE! :-)

Yes, I have an interesting grasp of the big picture.

As someone who despises partisan politics, OP is full of shit.

Stop worrying about your "adversary" and wake up please.

GLPers!!! Stop the madness. It is not between you and other posters, it is between us and the politicians in Washington. They make drunken sailors in Thailand look like Mormons. If you believe for a second that anyone is DC is working in your interest you are completely hoodwinked. Do not tow their line, drink their Koolaid. Go to your state house and tell them to say no to Washington.

I grew up in a liberal environment so I've seen that side of things. After I studied engineering for a while, where politically correct answers don't work but logical ones reliably do, I realized (it was a revelation!) that I could think for myself.

I still remember that moment.

And around that time I was reevaluating various liberal platitudes and conclusions. Things I heard in church and other places kept not matching my real-life experiences. Were my experiences wrong? No liberal even wanted to talk about them. Ignoring evidence is not how I was learning to take a scientific, logical view of life. And eventually the cognitive dissonance became great enough that I took a deep breath and decided to do all the work for myself.

An example of a liberal experience: I went to a liberal church group for teenagers. I wondered what kids did in this group, kids didn't usually do "liberal" or "conservative" things, so I was curious and I checked it out.

Well what they did was drugs. Heavy drugs, not just marijuana. Turns out, these were the sort of kids who were failures at school, while I was successful there.

I realized I had nothing in common with these kids. And yet I considered myself liberal, or so I was told.

So that was just one of my questioning moments leading up to my revelation a few years later. My revelation that I could shed all the platitudes (both liberal and conservative, but the ones I was carrying were liberal) and think for myself and refuse to be stopped.

Do you even know who the Partisans were?

You just mean that nobody should take sides in politics, or more likely, everyone should just "broad-mindedly" agree with you.

Sorry, that isn't logical.

If the UN won't even be involved as all these non-USans "wake up", what exactly (or approximately) do you think they will do and how will they do it?

You're right about this being a resource-rich continent. It's kind of unfair, but because of the resources and a better-than-average form of government (I won't assert more than that; it should be uncontroversial) we had economic success and attracted more very desirable immigrants along with less desirable ones. Further immigrant pickups were done strategically around WWII (Jewish immigration before the war, German immigration (Operation Paperclip) afterward, both groups having high IQ.)

And unfair as all that is, now it's happening again. Lately everyone is agreeing, even the WSJ, that an economic boom is coming from exploitation of "tight oil" as well as "tight natgas" on this continent. Europe doesn't have this, China doesn't, nor the Middle East, as far as I know. It seems to be mainly North America.

Even China is moving jobs back here. Looks like another American century.

The last one wasn't so bad. We invented the airplane, helped develop the car, developed electric lightbulbs, radios and transmission, invented the transistor, invented computers and the internet, and so on.

We did some bad shit too, but the above list of contributions to mankind is pretty Godlike wouldn't you agree? The whole rest of the world put together was vastly less productive in creating breakthrough technologies to benefit humanity.

And to that I might add:

In the process of this under-the-bus-throwing, our wonderful "conservatives" will get the "small(er) government" that they say they've been wanting -- but it won't look AT ALL like what they thought it would look like!

"Smaller government" will mean:

-- drastic cuts to social security and medicare,

-- drastic cuts to unemployment, workman's comp, food
stamps, and other essential support for keeping
people from slipping into destitution

-- crumbling infrastructure, power grid failures and
rolling blackouts, impassable roads, etc., etc.,
continually getting worse, for decades

-- failing services of all kinds, failing police
and fire support, rampant crime

-- closed schools, and an ignorant and dysfunctional
population (or MORE so than already exists);
rampant illiteracy

-- decimated or even non-existent middle class,

-- the return of something resembling medieval
feudalism, with the poor (formerly middle-class)
working as serfs for manorial lords

-- more or less everything spiralling downward.

THAT will be the fruit of your anti-big-government faux (Koch brothers) populism, you idiots! You'll GET your small government, all right. And it will be ugly as sin. You'll get smaller government in all the ways that will hurt you, and all the people around you.

If we really wanted smaller government -- as we should have, 50 and 75 years ago -- we would have insisted on NOT allowing the financially ruinous (as well as morally unsound) military/industrial/security complex to be built to begin with. We would have listened to the (WISE) authentic traditional conservatives who urged us NOT to engage in foreign wars. We would have had the sense NOT to create a global empire requiring a vast military and support structures to survive. We would NOT have allowed neo-cons to take over the government and foreign policy. We would NOT have allowed the development of a medical/industrial complex that costs per capita fully THRICE the health care costs of other developed nations. And so on. But we didn't. And now it is too late. Big Government is baked in the cake. To dismantle big government now is to dismantle the entire American way of life, because EVERYONE depends on big government. (Not that dismantling the American way of life is ultimately a bad thing; actually it is a good thing; but in the process it will be ugly.) To dismantle big government now (by "now" I mean over a short period, such as a single generation) is to precipitate a very nasty social and economic implosion, with all the features as on my bullet list above. Ugly as sin, for decades.

Theoretically, we could do it without that ugliness. We could make a collective decision to SLOWLY reduce big government, over many decades. Some intellectuals have suggested this over the years. Seymour Melman comes to mind. He was one of the best scholars of the military/industrial buildup, and he wrote often about the (long, slow) process of economic conversion, going from a permanent war economy to an economy of peace, and human and social development. But alas, no one listened. Everyone was busy spending their handsome paychecks on boats and cottages. And now it is too late.

Theoretically, we could do it without the ugliness, but we won't get the chance. Too late now. We've reached the end of the line. The rest of the world is fed up with us, and the rich fucks don't want to be bothered paying for our bloated "needs".

Of course, the rich fucks LOVE all this anti-big-government activism. Plays directly into their hands! Big government made them rich, but it also made all kinds of promises that they don't want to stick around and pay. So they'll take the riches and let us have our "small government", now. In fact, like the Koch brothers, they'll even devote a few $million (out of petty cash) to create astro-turf anti-big-government groups to pressure congress to dismantle the programs on which the country depends.

They'll take the riches, pack up and move East and South, just as they have been for decades; didn't you notice? All the factories and everything else moving to Mexico, China, India, Vietnam, etc.? They're leaving, and they won't be coming back for many decades, if ever. Why should they? They don't want to be stuck with the tab for your quadruple bypass operation.

Before this is over, you'll be on your knees BEGGING for big government to come back and make things like they were. But then it will be too late. It is already too late.

Secession is the answer. Break the country up into regions. The liberals and their poorasite pets can have their Socialist Republics. Conservatives will build an industrial/agrarian state which supplies the liberal paper-shuffling bureaucrats and their fat poor with necessities.

welcome into the light, ffriend.

I don't understand the question. It is not what I "think" they will do; it is what they ARE DOING, right now. They are getting richer. They are eating better. They want more. And they will get it. Look at the numbers. Look at the GDP growth of China and India (that's about 1/3 of the planet's residents, right there). It's phenomenal.


Eurasia is SWIMMING in natural gas! They will not run short for centuries. But it will not have to last for centuries, because the movement to renewables is moving fast enough.


True that the wage differential is a good deal smaller than it used to be. That is a measure of how far China has come, not that we're on the verge of an "American century"! Yes, I'm sure the Chinese will find some things for us to do, at minimum wage. They'll need flunkies to do odd grunt work, as things progress. That'll be some "American century". ;-)


The auto was a terrible invention, very destructive. But on the whole you are right -- lots of great inventions. But that, too, will move East now...

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
UN says China overtakes US in number of patent filings

Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

you really don have quite an exalted opinion of yourself and honestly believe that i am going to wade through above crap? lol, i don't think so...oh and by the way >>>>>

Oops, I didn't say we invented the auto, just helped to develop it. The Germans invented it, or at least Benz is thought to have sold the first cars.

I'm glad the Chinese are getting into the swing of things, it's fairly embarrassing that they are still repeating the stuff they invented 4000 years ago (paper, I think writing, there are a few big ones that apparently they had first but it has been a while.)

Patents these days are funny, since about 15 years ago you can patent a "process", so there have been a lot of bullshit patents. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese patent quality has been at least as high as ours during this time; I just don't know. But it's not quite the measure it used to be.

I don't see us as an opponent to China. We can both prosper. I think the well educated classe in each country respects the other. I think it's a productive rivalry more than a destructive one. But countries without a large class of highly educated and educable people are continuing to lose out, as all they may have to contribute is natural resources.

BTW if Asia is awash in oil and gas, why do they keep importing the stuff? And if one part of Asia is "awash" in it (Indonesia maybe?) it doesn't mean other Asian countries (China) get it for a bargain price. It's all business, especially in Asia.

the return of something resembling medieval
feudalism, with the poor (formerly middle-class)
working as serfs for manorial lords

^^^^^^
This has begun with the former migrate farmers...

How can you rebut me if you haven't even read what I have to say? You chicken! I might have a few uppercuts and bitch slaps and you wont be able to deal with the pain?

Little house of cards coming down? awww... luttle babey no wanna play with own rules & cry to momma? uuwww...

Thank you, and thank you for your posts and threads. I've supported two or three of your threads (while I've been this AC number :) :hf:

BTW I remember the "moment" I decided to think for myaelf, even though it was over 30 years ago! There's a lot I don't know, but these days it's generally stuff that other people don't know either.

They don't import the stuff - gas. They have no need to. China, Iran, India, Malaysia, India, all have huge reserves.
Australia, too. (Not strictly in Asia, but a close neighbor.) As for oil: similar. Those same countries have a lot of oil, and there is even more in Russia and (of course) the middle east. Agreed that presence in one country does not mean bargain prices for another. But do not overlook a critical fact: NOT having to transport energy over extremely long distances, especially over oceans, is a big advantage. Huge, even.

"Context of European politics", my ass! The Nazis HATED LEFTISTS. HATED COMMUNISTS. WITH A PASSION. Which is why they killed them, abused them, shipped them off to concentration camps, and then launched Operation Barbarossa, the biggest military initiative of all time, with the intention of DESTROYING LEFTISM on the asian land mass for a thousand years. If that doesn't make them right wing, then what the fuck would? Is ANYONE right wing? Anyone at all? How do they qualify? PS: who gives a shit what strange (inconsistent with reality) ideas Americans were thinking at that time? Jeezuz.