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The First Freemen Were Not Freemasons

 
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The first freemen were not freemasons, but Bedesmen.

These Royal Bedesmen were the first in history to wear both a dark blue gown with a Tudor Roses on their chests who also carried Badges that were issued by the King which was an identifying insignia worn by beggars at the time in Great Britain, Scotland and Ireland. These badges were inscribed with the writing, “Pass and Re-Pass” that acted as an ancient top-secret security clearance. These were issued by the Royal House in the country which these Bedesmen had lived that gave these chosen men the rite to freely beg which was against the law at the time, but they were also the first true Freeman who were allowed by the King to move freely from place to place.

At the time, most citizens were simply not allowed to travel outside their respective hometowns. Therefor, not only would the Bedesmen be the predecessors to the Knights Templar, the descendants of this ancient fraternity would later form the Hospitallers, Rosicrucians and Freemasons which all branch from the same rose-bush via the City of the Rose, Petra which was at one time was our first banking operation and Treasury.

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Bull and SHIT !! If any of this is true it isnt the part about Scotland,thi8s may well have been a law in England but it sure as hell wasnt in Scotland.... and if your info is so off with that whats the chance of the rest of it being true ?
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This is where it was law and there is plenty of evidence to back up my statements. But I suspect there will be not one shred of evidence to back up your accusations.

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The beggar’s purse (la Besace) and clasped hands would be the symbols.

“The East India Company, formed in 1595, had no jurisdiction over America, nor any intent to colonize it. In 1609, their great purpose was to find a shorter route to Japan, China, and the East Indies. To this end, encouraged by the Walloon, Peter Plancius, they commissioned the intrepid English pilot, Henry Hudson, in the Half Moon. This ship, named after the silver omen of victory of the invincible, self-named Beggars, entered the waters of what was to be [Terra] Nova Belgica. To this day the Dutch speak of the crescent as "halve maen."

The beggars’ name needs explanation – not a short one – which takes us back to 1566, 50 years before Hudson’s first visit to the river that bears his name. Let us visit the nation known as the Seventeen Provinces of the Netherlands, or Pays Bas XVII Provinces, ruled from Spain by the very Catholic member of the Hapsburg family named King Philip II, intent on wiping out all non–Catholic believers and at the same time wresting control of his rich nation from the affluent body of noblemen who had ruled it for centuries.

One summer day, a body of several hundred disgruntled noblemen, mounted and serious, arrived at the entrance to the Brussels palace of the Regent, Margaret, King Philip’s sister, and presented a document named simply “Compromis.” As they read and discussed their carefully prepared text, a nobleman on her staff, loyal to the administration, said to her, “Madame, votre Alteze a t’elle crainte de ces Gueux?” or “Your grace is not afraid of these beggars!”

These were the principal nobles of the land!

At the end of a banquet a few days later, during which the wine flowed more heavily than usual, the lords swore a solemn oath of mutual support and unity under the cry “Long live the beggars!” [“Vive les gueux”]. It would become the rallying cry of the coming revolt.

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1.Beggar's badge, of a 'king's bedesman' or 'blue gown'

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This is a beggar's badge of a 'King's Bedesman' or 'Blue Gown' who was authorised to beg anywhere in Scotland. It dates from 1847 and is made of pewter. The role of the king's bedesman was to pray for the soul the monarch.

The front of the badge has a crowned thistle between the letters 'VR' (for 'Victoria Regina'). The holder's name, William Bain, is at the top, and the words 'Pass and Repass' at the bottom. The badge is numbered 28, and dated 1847.

The character Eddie Ochiltree in Sir Walter Scott's novel 'The Antiquary' (1816) was a Blue Gown. The last real Blue Gown is thought to have died in 1863.

Did you know?

This is a beggar's badge of a 'King's Bedesman' or 'Blue Gown' who was authorised to beg anywhere in Scotland. It dates from 1847 and is made of pewter. The role of the king's bedesman was to pray for the soul the monarch.
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2. This beggar's badge from the parish of Dumfries dates from 1817. It is made of brass.

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The front of the oval badge has the words 'Dumfries Poors Badge', 'No. 26' and the date, 1817. There is a perforation near the top.

3. Old Aberdeen Beggar's Badge

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4. Coins two noblemen clasp hands, raised border and integral suspension loop

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World Coins and Medals. Spanish Netherlands, Philip II, beggars badge [geuzenpenning], a cast oval silver-gilt medal, 1566, EN TOVT FIDELLES AV ROY, bust of Philip II l., rev. IVSQVES A PORTER LA BESACE, two noblemen clasp hands, raised border and integral suspension loop, 44 x 31mm. (cf. van...

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"Vive les Gueux."

“Long Live the Beggars”


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“En tout fidelles au roy,” (In all, faithful to the King) and, on the reverse, “Jusques à porter la Besace,” “Until we carry the beggar’s purse.”

Numerous were the badges and symbols carried by the various “Beggars.” Two examples are the badge above, and the medal below that read on one side, “En tout fidelles au roy,” (In all, faithful to the King) and, on the reverse, “Jusques à porter la Besace,” “Until we carry the beggar’s purse.” The purse refers to the heavy taxes or, for protesters, the penalty of surrendering all one’s property to the “profit of the crown” that came after capital punishment, banishment, or flight from the country

The sobriquet “Beggars” will remain a powerful unifying force for decades, as guerilla bands, or ‘wood–beggars” roamed the countryside and “sea–beggars” roamed the seas and played a key role in the liberation of the northern provinces, our present–day Netherlands. In fact, according to Griffis, “the brave Netherlanders, called Beggars of the Sea...wore a silver crescent, or half moon, with the motto ‘Better Turk than Pope.’” Griffis goes on to say that Henry Hudson’s ship was named for that half–moon crescent symbol, perhaps the one shown below:

6. Sea beggars” were a force to be reckoned with along the eastern coast of the North Sea

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Henry Hudson and the Sea Beggars (Assisted by Francis and Jean Devos) Alfred H. Marks

Well before Henry Hudson set out on his voyages, the “sea beggars” were a force to be reckoned with along the eastern coast of the North Sea. They were instrumental in the defeat of the Spanish Armada in 1588, and their earlier capture of Brielle, a small port city at the gates of Rotterdam, in 1572, is often looked at as the turning point of the Dutch war for independence from Spain.

William Elliot Griffis, in his important book, The Story of the Walloons, brings Hudson and the “Beggars” together:
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Even now, the Freemasons are a very Satanic group of devils that have infiltrated every religion and most of Americas and Europes society. They were a very benevolent group, until the illuminati infiltrated them and turned them into Satanist who are used for assasinations and the overthrow of religions and even nations. The Freemasons were even responsible for the death of Abraham Lincoln, who opposed the illuminuti bankers; and was going to print Americas money to finance the Civil War.

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The first freemen were not freemasons, but Bedesmen.

These Royal Bedesmen were the first in history to wear both a dark blue gown with a Tudor Roses on their chests who also carried Badges that were issued by the King which was an identifying insignia worn by beggars at the time in Great Britain, Scotland and Ireland. These badges were inscribed with the writing, “Pass and Re-Pass” that acted as an ancient top-secret security clearance. These were issued by the Royal House in the country which these Bedesmen had lived that gave these chosen men the rite to freely beg which was against the law at the time, but they were also the first true Freeman who were allowed by the King to move freely from place to place.

At the time, most citizens were simply not allowed to travel outside their respective hometowns. Therefor, not only would the Bedesmen be the predecessors to the Knights Templar, the descendants of this ancient fraternity would later form the Hospitallers, Rosicrucians and Freemasons which all branch from the same rose-bush via the City of the Rose, Petra which was at one time was our first banking operation and Treasury.

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Bull and SHIT !! If any of this is true it isnt the part about Scotland,thi8s may well have been a law in England but it sure as hell wasnt in Scotland.... and if your info is so off with that whats the chance of the rest of it being true ?
Who pinned this CRAP ?
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OP is paranoid and deluded, with delusion of grandeur.

He believes he is the reincarnation of all great men and bring back all discussion to him and his "bloodline".

He is a wannabe since the freemasons blackballed him. This rejection fuelled his desire to be important.

The ugly truth is that he's an ex convict, wife beater and notorious internet scammer.

He suffers from heavy apophenia which make him see messages everywhere confirming how important he is.
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I AM not doing this for me, but my fallen brothers who wish to be honored properly and the truth restored. This is not about power fame or money and only the light of the truth so help me God. I AM an ex-convict, but I do not beat my wife (that was not my wife) and I certainly have never scammed anyone in my life.(you have no proof)

Please add value to the conversation or I will ban you from them. Thanks for your cooperation in advance.
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Even now, the Freemasons are a very Satanic group of devils that have infiltrated every religion and most of Americas and Europes society. They were a very benevolent group, until the illuminati infiltrated them and turned them into Satanist who are used for assasinations and the overthrow of religions and even nations. The Freemasons were even responsible for the death of Abraham Lincoln, who opposed the illuminuti bankers; and was going to print Americas money to finance the Civil War.
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From my understanding they are building the Temple of Solomon and last time I checked, all is fair if love and war. Their motto is ORDO ABD CHAO and their purpose is a One World Order. This has been the plan of ages and when people get in way of the plan or try and damage it, they are removed from the game. It is as simple as that. While none of may like it or wish for this, it is what is needed to have someday or heavenly homeland where such tactics would not be needed.

To get there, mankind will need to first perfect himself and last time I checked, we have a long time to go.
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Bull and SHIT !! If any of this is true it isnt the part about Scotland,thi8s may well have been a law in England but it sure as hell wasnt in Scotland.... and if your info is so off with that whats the chance of the rest of it being true ?
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What is not true? It is recorded of my forefathers traveling freely, cross the entire Kingdom, from Galloway to France.

The Kingdom of Scotland is currently subject to England on its own accord. Galloway is the source of these laws. Anciently, Galloway is a kingdom in its own right.

There are many rights that were granted to the people of Galloway that are not being honored.

When a King, by the grace of our lord, grants, for all time, and to their heirs forever --- These rights are not lawfully un-granted, when the basis is on conflict caused by religious persecutions.

These actions are against Gods will and the source of all that is unjust.
αιδουσι ~ "The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them." (Psa 34:7)
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Bull and SHIT !! If any of this is true it isnt the part about Scotland,thi8s may well have been a law in England but it sure as hell wasnt in Scotland.... and if your info is so off with that whats the chance of the rest of it being true ?
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What is not true? It is recorded of my forefathers traveling freely, cross the entire Kingdom, from Galloway to France.

The Kingdom of Scotland is currently subject to England on its own accord. Galloway is the source of these laws. Anciently, Galloway is a kingdom in its own right.

There are many rights that were granted to the people of Galloway that are not being honored.

When a King, by the grace of our lord, grants, for all time, and to their heirs forever --- These rights are not lawfully un-granted, when the basis is on conflict caused by religious persecutions.

These actions are against Gods will and the source of all that is unjust.
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Kingdoms rise and fall and so do tribes and even well made plans by our ancestors as well. The important thing that we need to take into account today when researching this and finding the truth is to not take anything we find personal or to think revenge or that something must happen.

I AM just thankful that we don't have to go through what our ancestors had went through and there are many things to fix in this world where we start with us and our own families.

When you are reincarnated outside the clan or palace, it is hard to get back in my friend.hf
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The occult is so predictable...they don't fascinate like they used too. We are in on it now. Next......cool2
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but I do not beat my wife (that was not my wife)
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It's honest from you to at least admit you beat her. I have to give you that.


and I certainly have never scammed anyone in my life.(you have no proof)
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The fact that you finish with "you have no proof" proves it plenty.

I could post proofs but you would ban me for it.

Thank you for at least letting me express myself here. I will now let you continue since I'm not contributing to the thread.
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Off topic a bit but seems that you may know.

Is there a difference between the Roman Church and the catholic church? Did they merge to become the Roman Catholic Church? If they did do you know when they became as one?
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Off topic a bit but seems that you may know.

Is there a difference between the Roman Church and the catholic church? Did they merge to become the Roman Catholic Church? If they did do you know when they became as one?
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They are one and the same. Catholic means Universal and it is the same brotherhood of Israel who wrote the Old Testament. The main events were in the incorporation of the Scottish, Irish and British clans in medieval times and then the Vikings later in the 11th century onwards. Same hat, just different heads under the hat and bigger swords taking out the previous ones.

Did you know Washington was once called Rome?
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I did know about Washington being known as Rome. The church funded the endeavor. Did a little study on that a while back.
You mentioned Vikings my 34th great grandfather was Rollo

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Found this out when I was researching my genealogy.
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I did know about Washington being known as Rome. The church funded the endeavor. Did a little study on that a while back.
You mentioned Vikings my 34th great grandfather was Rollo

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Found this out when I was researching my genealogy.
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That is cool that you can count him with that accuracy. Mine has many holes. In any event, it will be interesting to see how events unfold here in the coming years. As Shakespeare said, "All the world's a stage."
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I did know about Washington being known as Rome. The church funded the endeavor. Did a little study on that a while back.
You mentioned Vikings my 34th great grandfather was Rollo

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Found this out when I was researching my genealogy.
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Have you done a Y-DNA test?

Post your Haplogroup.
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Even now, the Freemasons are a very Satanic group of devils that have infiltrated every religion and most of Americas and Europes society. They were a very benevolent group, until the illuminati infiltrated them and turned them into Satanist who are used for assasinations and the overthrow of religions and even nations. The Freemasons were even responsible for the death of Abraham Lincoln, who opposed the illuminuti bankers; and was going to print Americas money to finance the Civil War.
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Hahahahahahahaha.......you got any more like this?: starwars:
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lol lol lolsign lol
I did know about Washington being known as Rome. The church funded the endeavor. Did a little study on that a while back.
You mentioned Vikings my 34th great grandfather was Rollo

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Found this out when I was researching my genealogy.
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Have you done a Y-DNA test?

Post your Haplogroup.
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Kings worked with and were often Templars to finance and run their empire. This is where the entire coat of arms comes from.

The Templars built their own castles! During their down time between fighting wars the Templars would build castles. This is how Freemasons started and the origins of the word "mason".

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