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Psoriasis Folks...a few questions if you will?
Do you have cats?

If so, when did your psoriasis begin in relation to having a cat?

Are you also allergic to cats but choose to keep them anyway?

If you have psoriasis and also have cat...how many cats do you have or did you have when Psoriasis was first detected?

Anyone with Psoriasis have HPV or abnormal Pap?



I got my first cat in 1999 and psoriasis began in 2000. Never considered the connection until reading about toxoplasma recently. I also have HPV and got it around that time.

I am beginning to see a 1-2 combination that may lead to the source of Psoriasis, or at least one possible source.

Please Note: I'm not trying to discuss alternative cures for Psoriasis. I am asking these specific questions looking for correlation. As a result, I am moderating this thread to keep it tight and to the point.

Thanks!

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After the cat.
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How long after, about?
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Between one and two years.
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Re: Psoriasis Folks...a few questions if you will?
I'm 35, had cats ALL my life, psoriasis started in '93. I put it down to parents split and exams at the time.

I was without cats for 4 years ('98 - '02) then got 2. Didn't notice a difference in those 4 years.

Never heard of a link with cats, will have to have a look.
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Are you also allergic to cats but choose to keep them anyway?
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No, I'm not allergic to cats.
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New question: If you have psoriasis and also have cat...how many cats do you have or did you have when Psoriasis was first detected?
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I have psoriasis. I have one cat. I didn't have an outbreak for many many years until about 2 years after getting my cat. Don't know if it's connected.

Either way, hope you find the answers you're looking for. It sure is a sh*tty thing to have and live with sometimes.

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In relation to the topic, I've found it best to avoid all possible immune system stressors. This includes internal (all common food allergens) and external (animal triggers in particular).
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I snipped the off-topic stuff not because I don't appreciate it, but because I'm moderating this thread to keep it tight and concise to the questions put forth in order to prove or disprove a theory in a quick, amateurish way. I've gone through the HOlistic stuff, Cayce, etc and the cures are worse than the disease...basically stand on one leg while facing Mecca and reduce yourself to a diet of anise tea and African Dung Beetle urine for nine months and you might start to see an improvement.

Well, Yeah, if I amputate the offending parts the Psoriasis will be gone!

I get that it's a Leaky gut, fatty liver immuno thing but still there has to be a mechanism, something that comes along and sets the immune system haywire. The Cat poop bacteria and/or the HPV viral (and possibly the fallout of the combination thereof) is my theory that I'm trying to rule out.

(PS: I'm not always so advanced or mature lol)

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Did you have to do sunlamp therapy? I read that the symptoms of psoriasis are minimized by using tanning both a few times a week. Not sure if it has directly to do with vitamin D since their vitamin D level tend to go up as well.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


For myself, my intention is to attempt a self-cure via the Gerson diet (with a few modifications). It takes time to detoxify and rebuild the digestive system and liver (at least a year or so), there is no quick and easy cure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13446836


FYI: Salt Room Therapy is a great way to treat psoriasis naturally. Google it to learn more.
 Quoting: Uncle Alyosha


Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


psoriasis is related to thyroid function...no?

I developed vitiligo when I was about 11 years old. Vitiligo is thought to be related to thyroid (dis)function. I also contracted a severe case of bell's palsy, which also is thought to be thyroid related.

I do not have psoriasis, but I am highly allergic to *some* cats and some dogs....I am able to pet and play with certain types of cats and dogs with no reaction. However, there are some cats and dogs, which cause me to have anywhere from a moderate to mildly severe allergic reaction:
If a cat even rubs against my hand/arm, the skin becomes red, inflamed, and raised. My eyes water terrifically, and I get a bout of rapid-fire sneezing attacks! Same with some dogs.

The thing is, I like cats and dogs! I have never been able to tell if it is a breed thing, or what. I have never noticed any commonalities (such as, long haired cats always make me react- I have never experienced anything to determine any links), which would make it easier to avoid animals I know would cause me to feel uncomfortable.
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer

psoriasis is not associated with cat virii.

psoriasis is associated with Vitamin C and Vitamin K1 deficiency.

Quercetin and Vitamin C will cure your psoriasis:

[link to www.vitacost.com]

Additional help with psoriasis from salicylic acid topically applied.

Vitamin D3, injested, 5000 units per day, will also be helpful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2886


im not allergic to cats, thats why i have a poodle.. but will say stress and dairy products will flare up the issue as well drinking cold black tea , so i just use in a spray bottle raw apple cider vin. the 5 percent acidity with the granny picture on the front lable
 Quoting: tmorjh


no Dr Wallach will tell you exactly what the problem is :

you are allergic or non tolerant to gluten. drop all gluten and take 90 micronutrients and you are good to go.
 Quoting: the Questeon ? 25616504


I understand but lots of Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity cases started around 1997-1999 during the cell tower boom.

During that time LOTS of people suffered from skin rashes around the face, ears and hands.

You should consider the cat as a possibility, not a definite cause. Could be coincidence.



If you suffered from psoriasis getting worse in 2006, seriously consider Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity Syndrome.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


You should be more troubled about Toxoplasma from your cats.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29059668


IR lights, heat lamps can ease skin rashes from EHS.

The Infra-red reduces microwave in the area.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Thanks!!

This is freakin awesome...

We just picked up parts of Dr. Wallach's book: Dead doctors don't lie, and it seems nearly all aliements are caused by a form of mineral or vitamin deficiencies.

Most people here think Dr. Wallach is only a veterinarian not realiznig he has 3 other Phds and was nominated for the nobel peace price.. crazy.

But thanks we are going to look into this vitamin C, D3, and K1 deficiency, with Quercetin.

Thanks again!!
 Quoting: nwo_watcher_911


The problem is that you can't really do much to eliminate certain pathogens (i.e. toxoplamsa gondii) after you've been infected. Also, if you did, there's no guarantee that doing so would eliminate the resultant immune system malfunction once triggered.

It takes most people years of toxic exposure and poor biochemical maintenance to develop issues like psoriasis. Naturally, diseases of this nature are not so easily corrected as a bacterial infection.

Treating the whole is really the only way to achieve lasting health. It's hard work, but I haven't found any easier alternatives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13446836


Stop eating wheat and it will go away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29158966


"psoriasis". Seems all skin conditions are automatically called "psoriasis"; slathered with cortisone and now youare job security for life for the Medical Mafia.

Was a biopsy taken?

or:

What lab. proof do you have (for your own eyes and records) as to exactly whatis the skin condition that you have, and being treated for?

Your condition will probably get worse in the Winter, so get a humidifier in your room. Wal-Mart has some nice ones.

Some skin diseases are caused by diseased, internal organs. Thus you can slather slop on the skin until you turn blue in the face, but the “rash/itch” will never go away [more job security for the Medical Mafia].

Medical Mafia pulls the same scam with “gum disease”, even though thereis one so serious [and is extremely contagious (job security for the Medical Mafia, and why they donot tell you you have it)] (common/popular name (Trench Mouth)) that it can eat all the way into the bone.
 Quoting: truth 23958376



For what it's worth:

"In a study published in 2005 in The Journal of Biological Chemistry, researchers at the University of Dundee in Great Britain tested the actions of juglone, the active compound in black walnut, on toxoplasma gondii parasites in vitro. Juglone had a significant effect on the parasites, inhibiting their growth while not harming the host cells. Researchers said that juglone creates oxidative free radicals, which destroy the parasites. Toxoplasma gondii are particularly susceptible to oxidative damage, so juglone may be a specific herbal treatment for this parasite."

The best choice would be a Hulda Clarke-style tincture including black walnut hull, wormwood, and clove. Not too expensive, and worth a shot if you're really worried about the parasite thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13446836


first of all, Psoriasis is an auto-immune condition,
while Seborrhea is a fungal infestation. Psoriasis and
Seborrhea have very similar symptoms and manifestations.

cats don't cause these conditions, but the chemical cats
give off might irritate the condition or trigger a flare-up.
 Quoting: Dr Einstein




Get Humira...its the best and my P been gone for a year



Its just expensive as all hell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22284571


"Animals and humans that ingest oocysts (e.g., by eating unwashed vegetables) or tissue cysts in improperly cooked meat become infected. The parasite enters macrophages in the intestinal lining and is distributed via the blood stream throughout the body."

Also, it's a protozoa, not a bacteria.

The above means that cats are not the only way to acquire a toxoplasma gondii infection, as any animal that ingests contaminated food can become infected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13446836


Pyorrhea is what the gum disease "Trench Mouth" used to be called, but you never hear that word anymore, so that alone should make you suspicious of the Medical Mafia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23958376


I have to post this because it is crying out to be said...we all NEED an immunity boost. And we don't need "treatments", we need our body to work the way it is supposed to in it's most healthy form. We can forever treat for this and treat for that or we can make our bodies healthier from within. Good nutrition will do it. A healthy lifestyle will do it. But it seems more and more even those are compromised to a certain level. The air we breathe, the food we eat, what kinds of genetic susceptibilities we pass down to our children. The doctors (Thrice certified in 3 different specialties) who came up with this didn't care about money. The original formula was made by a doctor who suffered terribly with his own immunity issues. An this is his life's work. It is truly a tremendous step in getting our bodies to detoxify, protect every cell and produce energy at an incredible rate. It's how the nutrition is delivered to the cell that is the key. Please check it out. If you read about the science you will understand how revolutionary this product is. If you give it it's due chance you will believe it.

[link to anniem.max4u.com]
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One other thing to keep in mind when investigating a possible link between cats and psoriasis.

Cats are a unique household pet. They are the one that is often allowed outside to roam constantly and back inside at will.

Dogs are typically outisde or inside, but not both and other pets are simply not allowed outside much at all.

Cats have a unique position of bringing in allergens and exposing people to them without the person thinking about that possibility and then assuming they are allergic to the cat itself.

I bathed my animals, all of them except the fish of course. I did it lots when I first got them and they were young so that as they grew I could do it as needed without the common issue of the animal fighting back. Also, my cats were inside only cats and treated more like dogs when it came to the out of doors. I took them camping and hiking but they didn't get free roam of the neighborhood while we were at home.
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I appreciate the suggestions, but that's not what this thread is about. I'm asking questions to support or disprove a personal theory that might lead to a new avenue or apporach to getting to the source.

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Before the cat. Went away in puberty.
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Did you have to do sunlamp therapy? I read that the symptoms of psoriasis are minimized by using tanning both a few times a week. Not sure if it has directly to do with vitamin D since their vitamin D level tend to go up as well.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


For myself, my intention is to attempt a self-cure via the Gerson diet (with a few modifications). It takes time to detoxify and rebuild the digestive system and liver (at least a year or so), there is no quick and easy cure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13446836


FYI: Salt Room Therapy is a great way to treat psoriasis naturally. Google it to learn more.
 Quoting: Uncle Alyosha


Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


I appreciate the suggestions, but that's not what this thread is about. I'm asking questions to support or disprove a personal theory that might lead to a new avenue or apporach to getting to the source.
 Quoting: Lada D


I doubt it. I don't recall anyone suffering from it due to being around the cat. I grew up with next door having a lot of cats. My sister has 3 cats inside and a family of cat outside.

Maybe it has more to do with underlying cause that being around the cat triggered the onset of psoriasis. Let's say for an example, the underlying cause is vitamin D deficiency where your immune system is not functioning properly and your cat gave you something that triggered the symptoms of psoriasis.

That's why I asked if you ever do sunlamp therapy because that's what I recall from a medical doctor that uses sunlight therapy for his patients with psoriasis. I was just wondering if it works or not.
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A friend of mine had it and never had cats !!
he passed away 2 years ago !!
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Asking questions yet deleting answers.........what ever!
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My answer was right from the National Library of Medicine. Apparently the OP is a kook.
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Good thing I got those minerals outlined before the delete! Thanks big brother!
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Wish you hadn't deleted this response because I think it is relevant and not a discussion of random "cures".

The mother of a friend of mine at 90 had her gallbladder removed and almost instantly following surgery developed horridly stubborn psoriasis until she died 5 years later.
There is and are immune triggers which manifest after natural protections are removed. In this case her gallbladder.
She owned 2 abyssinians successively for 40 years without symptoms of psoriasis or any other skin issues before then.
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I am not deleting answers, I'm moving them to one quoted reply, above. Please refer to that reply to note your orignial text and my response to it. I'm trying to keep a tight thread, don't want an epic, sprawling annoying thing when I just want answers to the questions I've posted. I'm not looking for anything else here.

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its not cats , had cats all my life, psoriasis nada!
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its not cats , had cats all my life, psoriasis nada!
 Quoting: the Questeon ? 25616504


That's not proof of anything, one way or another.

That like saying "lung cancer is not related to smoking because I smoke and don't have lung cancer."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13446836


Right you are, both of you. I'm expanding my hypothesis to include the combination of the Cats, the Cat Bacteria and the added bonus of HPV if anyone is willing to chime in that they have it. I know have two friends come forward with both cats and Hpv being added to their lives around the same time they came down with Psoriasis. With me, that's 3. Coincidence? Maybe. That's why I need more answers here...specific answers and not from the Proper medical journal of status quo, who to this day has not cured Psoriasis.
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I appreciate the suggestions, but that's not what this thread is about. I'm asking questions to support or disprove a personal theory that might lead to a new avenue or apporach to getting to the source.
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getting to the source of what?

i guess we can presume you are talking about Psoriasis,
and not Seborrhea.

Psoriasis is an auto-immune disorder (google "autoimmune"),
and is thought to be passed down genetically.
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


it's very tricking to differentiate between the two.
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


Yes, no doubt far too tricky for anyone who hasn't been thoroughly indoctrinated by the medical establishment. We're just dumb peons who can barely read and write, much less learn to apply logic or the scientific method.
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AC! Exactly, the Sarcasm is well said.

I know what the standard thinking is on Psoriasis. I don't need people dropping in to explain that Psoriasis is an autoimmune disorder. Dont you think that's the first thing I came across when I came down with Psoriasis? Of course I'm not talking about Seborrhea. Did you see the headline of this thread? I asked very specific questions for people who have Psoriasis. I didn't ask "Hey, can you educated me with what "The Man" has to say about various skin conditions?" C'mon, man!

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I know a family that 3 out of the 5 men have psoriasis. The two that don't have it smoke refer. None of them own cats.
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I know a family that 3 out of the 5 men have psoriasis. The two that don't have it smoke refer. None of them own cats.
 Quoting: Thoughtless_Ponder


marijuana cures just about everything.
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


I smoked marijuana heavily for about 10 years. I had psoriasis the whole time.

I quit about 3 years ago. I still have psoriasis.

Marijuana debate = over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13446836


I'm glad you posted that, was seriously considering whether or not I should break down and smoke Marijuana. REALLY don't want to.

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I have it, and it sucks, on my legs, looks like i got splashed with acid.. they burn right now actually, I even tryed that curry crap, nothing yet..

Flare up when they get wet, but feel better when they are dry..I tryed alot of things, even the creams the doc gives me dont work..

i have thyroid issue, (graves disease) now 15 years, but this started like 3 years ago.. had one on the back of my leg, about 2 inches round, and its totally gone now, but now on the front shin area..

I do have a cat, but always did.. I think It might be from milk and or peanut butter.. Im doing a food log now, thinking i might be allergic to a food..

Also going to start carbless diet, or Keto..

I will tell ya this, it sucks.. Dont even wear shorts in the summer, always wear wind pants.. Have a seimming pool, so I do let the sun get to them, and it dont help either..

I got one in the center of a tattoo, and now its horrible looking, and looks like shit..
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Had a friend whose husband had psoriasis. They also had several cats. I would have never made the connection, very interesting. My friend also had some mental health issues that appeared more less out of nowhere.
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my daugter has psoriosis, has since she was born. She has scalp and plaque and a few months ago I notice her nails pitting quite badly. She has been on this stuff for 2 weeks - a marked improvement. And she sleeps better.My mom gave it to her diabetic cat that looked like walking roadkill. It's a different cat now.
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Incidently, we had quite a few cats starting when she was about 2 1/2. We still have one cat.
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Why would you erase other's posts?


You have a narrow mind, OP.
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


This thread is limited to these questions:

Psoriasis Folks...a few questions if you will?

Do you have cats?

If so, when did your psoriasis begin in relation to having a cat?

Are you also allergic to cats but choose to keep them anyway?

If you have psoriasis and also have cat...how many cats do you have or did you have when Psoriasis was first detected?

Anyone with Psoriasis have HPV or abnormal Pap?

Anything that is not an answer to these specific questions doesn't belong in this thread. I have a very specific purpose for creating this thread and using points to pin it.

Any other thoughts or suggestions about psoriasis you are free to put in any other 10000 threads about psoriasis available in the search function of this website.

Thank you!
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You may be close, and the farthest ever from understanding the 'link'.
Although the cat could be the source of your psoriasis, it is far from being "cats cause psoriasis". You must understand the imune system, allergies, and also understand how much isn't yet understood concerning that portion of the body.

For all that it matters, as an example, you could have undiagnosed celiac which means your flour and gluten riddled diet is ultimately the cause of your psoriasis and it simply demonstrated about the same time as the acquisition of the kitty.


I do not currently own a cat. I have owned multiple cats in the past.

I developed psoriasis about 1 year AFTER giving up my last kitty (rabbit, dog, fishes and birds) because I had to move.


I am allergic to just about everything, as listed below. I refuse to not do what makes me happy.

I have psoriosis.
I am mildly allergic to life.
I am severly allergic to most labratory created dyes and scents. Natural ones I have very few problems with. (ie, herbs and essential oils ok, expensive designer shampoo or perfune is not)
I have seasonal allergies year round. Most allergy sufferers are sensitive during one or two season, I get hammered all four.
I have mild food allergies which cause digestive upset, but not severe responses.
I tend to respond more severely to insect and animal interactions, swelling more with mosquito or bee stings than other people, develop rashes if an open wound comes in contact with anything dog, cat, rabbit etc...

I have been this way for 33 yrs.

I developed psoriasis aboot 7 yrs ago, during an in-between period of owning animals. (cats, dogs, rabbits, fish, birds) The psoriasis grew steadily worse and I feared I would go bald from it ( I am mostly afflicted on my scalp with spreading past the hairline onto my neck and forhead and patches which appear elsewhere as they wish )

Had an abnormal pap about 12 yrs ago immediately after the birth of a child. (normal occurance post birth) followed by a normal pap.

About two years ago, after much research and lifestyle changes and the purchase of my first pet in 5 yrs, my psoriasis has steadily improved with only one incidence of briefly worsening when I went back to old ways at the request of my spouse. (Didn't like the way my hair smelled when it was wet and wanted me to use 'regular store bought' shampoo.)



Please keep in mind as you look for your link:


The immune system is like the finished product of an extremely complex cake recipe.

Having an allergy is like altering the ingredients in the cake.

Sometimes, the alteration is barely noticeable. Sometimes the alteration creates what appears to be one thing but is actually something else. (like if you decrease the sugar you may taste more salt and think that was what was altered.)


The things that have helped me the most were not removal of the animals but a focus on making my body balanced by controlling and adding or removing minerals/vitamins/metals in my diet and controlling exposure to known allergens.

A little bit of hard things in life develop character but a lot will break a person. Same for your immune system, a little exposure to an allergen is good, a lot can have diverse unintended consequences as the immune system literally breaks.

My point in giving my extensive allergy picture, is that for you it may be cats, but for me, it is much larger than that. For both of us, I believe the occurance of psoriasis is due more to over exposure to allergens, which created a state of hyper-allergic-responses in our bodies and demonstrated itself in the form of angry itchy painful red welts under skin layers which seem to grow faster than they can shed and underdeveloped new skin which now can not provide it's intended purpose of protection to our bodies at the site it is most needed. The swollen patches of psoriasis.



Disclaimer: My analogy of the immune system and recommendations do not apply to anybody who is dealing with an anaphylactic reaction of any sort. If you have an anaphylactic reaction do not entertain the idea of allowing even trace ammounts of that allergen in/on your body.
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HPV is very common. If anyone has had sex, you most likely have it. Dormant in most cases.
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You will call this off topic, however itis something you should know if youare truly going to do a real study.

Ihave found that kitties, after sex, begin to, for the first time in their lives, lose fur. Thatis when they begin to "shed", not before. Also the texture of their fur changes and loses its original glory.

Also upon puberty (their first heat), many, especially, sadly noticeable, if they donot get pregnant, get literally sick. This isnot related to mating in any way, but i suspect the urinary/vaginal tract opens up in some manner and draws in bacteria from the kitty litter.

I wish you God Speed in your studies, and remember to get back to us, when you become famous. Our fee is quite small in comparisontounge
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These two posts are on topic but are not answers to the questions I've posted. I'm trying to keep this thread tight...questions, answers.

Regarding HPV, I've heard 1 out of 3 sexually active people have it. That's from Dr. Drew, and that stat was from 10 years ago. I'm not ashamed of the HPV nor should anyone else be, it's just going to happen.

As for the cat vagina, yes, that's probably how they get infected with this (Forgot the term) but that's neither here or there for the questions I've asked. Trivia.
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My experience FWIW:

Had psoriasis for a number of years, especially around the hairline.

Was diagnosed with viral meningitis and they pumped me full of the most powerful antibiotics possible as a precaution.

Skin came off hands and feet and psoriasis disappeared. This was nearly twenty years ago, but my palms and soles are still baby soft.. v.strange.
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HPV is very common. If anyone has had sex, you most likely have it. Dormant in most cases.
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i have HPV that resides in my lip and it has gone dormant
for 10 years now. it seem to be triggered by being in
a very stressed-out frame of mind for more than a day or two.
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My experience FWIW:

Had psoriasis for a number of years, especially around the hairline.

Was diagnosed with viral meningitis and they pumped me full of the most powerful antibiotics possible as a precaution.

Skin came off hands and feet and psoriasis disappeared. This was nearly twenty years ago, but my palms and soles are still baby soft.. v.strange.
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Aha! This is interesting. I'm sure you mean that they gave you powerful anti-virals? (Viral Meningitis being, well, viral..)

HPV is also viral.

So Anti-viral medications cured you of psoriasis, almost as if by mistake as far as the Doctors are concerned. Do I have this right?
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You may be close, and the farthest ever from understanding the 'link'.
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If the cat crap bug is an immuno trigger, as it would be, it could be very specific to the strain of immunity that is going haywire in a Psoriatic patient.

No, the cat itself is not the problem, but the cat crap bug might be, and it might need to be combined with other factors.

Not every cat is going to have the cat crap bug, and not every cat crap bug infection is going to have HPV along for the ride.

Will other things cause immuno hyperactivity? Sure! But will that hyperactivity produce, specifically, psoriasis? Maybe, maybe not.

I'm curious about this combination, and right now, I'm only concerned about this combination.

I will be concerned about other combinations at other times, including the past and the future.

One more thing about the cat crap bug...it was the fact that it was so resilliant that made me think of the possible connection to Psoriasis. Obviously, if it was something super treatable, the psoriasis wouldn't last.

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I have psorsis. A hereditary gift from my dad. I always had a small patch about the size of a dime on my upper arm. (no cats) In the mid 80's I got strep throat which cause my psorsis (guttate) to break out severly all over (still no cats). It took several years and lots of sunshine for it to go back to a small patch. I am now a chemo patient. The meds have triggered another severe outbreak and I was told in advance this might happen. (2 cats). I treat it with 10 minute visits to a tanning bed once a week (too cold out for sunshine therapy), long soaks in almond and grapeseed oil along with very finely ground oatmeal. Coco butter once out of the bath and dry. I'm sure that once off the chemo the psorsis will once again go away. Good luck friend! My prayers are with you.Goofy Thum

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My experience FWIW:

Had psoriasis for a number of years, especially around the hairline.

Was diagnosed with viral meningitis and they pumped me full of the most powerful antibiotics possible as a precaution.

Skin came off hands and feet and psoriasis disappeared. This was nearly twenty years ago, but my palms and soles are still baby soft.. v.strange.
 Quoting: Smith Jefferys


Aha! This is interesting. I'm sure you mean that they gave you powerful anti-virals? (Viral Meningitis being, well, viral..)

HPV is also viral.

So Anti-viral medications cured you of psoriasis, almost as if by mistake as far as the Doctors are concerned. Do I have this right?
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No. I'm sure they gave him antibiotics. viral meningitis will usually run it's course, but in order to know it's viral they have to do tests. Until then it is common to pump them full of antibiotics to start the fight early against the potention that it is the deadly bacterial strain of meningitis. So the antibiotics did nothing for the meningitis, it was purely precautionary and served no function in getting well since he was eventually diagnosed with the viral form.
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You may be close, and the farthest ever from understanding the 'link'.
Although the cat could be the source of your psoriasis, it is far from being "cats cause psoriasis". You must understand the imune system, allergies, and also understand how much isn't yet understood concerning that portion of the body.

For all that it matters, as an example, you could have undiagnosed celiac which means your flour and gluten riddled diet is ultimately the cause of your psoriasis and it simply demonstrated about the same time as the acquisition of the kitty.


I do not currently own a cat. I have owned multiple cats in the past.

I developed psoriasis about 1 year AFTER giving up my last kitty (rabbit, dog, fishes and birds) because I had to move.


I am allergic to just about everything, as listed below. I refuse to not do what makes me happy.

I have psoriosis.
I am mildly allergic to life.
I am severly allergic to most labratory created dyes and scents. Natural ones I have very few problems with. (ie, herbs and essential oils ok, expensive designer shampoo or perfune is not)
I have seasonal allergies year round. Most allergy sufferers are sensitive during one or two season, I get hammered all four.
I have mild food allergies which cause digestive upset, but not severe responses.
I tend to respond more severely to insect and animal interactions, swelling more with mosquito or bee stings than other people, develop rashes if an open wound comes in contact with anything dog, cat, rabbit etc...

I have been this way for 33 yrs.

I developed psoriasis aboot 7 yrs ago, during an in-between period of owning animals. (cats, dogs, rabbits, fish, birds) The psoriasis grew steadily worse and I feared I would go bald from it ( I am mostly afflicted on my scalp with spreading past the hairline onto my neck and forhead and patches which appear elsewhere as they wish )

Had an abnormal pap about 12 yrs ago immediately after the birth of a child. (normal occurance post birth) followed by a normal pap.

About two years ago, after much research and lifestyle changes and the purchase of my first pet in 5 yrs, my psoriasis has steadily improved with only one incidence of briefly worsening when I went back to old ways at the request of my spouse. (Didn't like the way my hair smelled when it was wet and wanted me to use 'regular store bought' shampoo.)



Please keep in mind as you look for your link:


The immune system is like the finished product of an extremely complex cake recipe.

Having an allergy is like altering the ingredients in the cake.

Sometimes, the alteration is barely noticeable. Sometimes the alteration creates what appears to be one thing but is actually something else. (like if you decrease the sugar you may taste more salt and think that was what was altered.)


The things that have helped me the most were not removal of the animals but a focus on making my body balanced by controlling and adding or removing minerals/vitamins/metals in my diet and controlling exposure to known allergens.

A little bit of hard things in life develop character but a lot will break a person. Same for your immune system, a little exposure to an allergen is good, a lot can have diverse unintended consequences as the immune system literally breaks.

My point in giving my extensive allergy picture, is that for you it may be cats, but for me, it is much larger than that. For both of us, I believe the occurance of psoriasis is due more to over exposure to allergens, which created a state of hyper-allergic-responses in our bodies and demonstrated itself in the form of angry itchy painful red welts under skin layers which seem to grow faster than they can shed and underdeveloped new skin which now can not provide it's intended purpose of protection to our bodies at the site it is most needed. The swollen patches of psoriasis.



Disclaimer: My analogy of the immune system and recommendations do not apply to anybody who is dealing with an anaphylactic reaction of any sort. If you have an anaphylactic reaction do not entertain the idea of allowing even trace ammounts of that allergen in/on your body.
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Agree. Our immune systems top off to how saturated it is and then manifest in hyper-immune responses when it reaches the "breaking point" or "broken immunity" when it just can't manage overwhelmed input anymore and just says NO to most everything.
If you're lucky you get more reactions when older, but these days under age 10 way too often.

I don't have psoriasis (or a cat) but have a host of skin reactions to petrol, pesticide compounds, vaccines, antibiotics and a very short list of things I am able to eat.
I was changed overnight biting into one shrimp after a long course of unnecessary antibiotic treatment. Stopped digesting my food, head to toe rash. Lost 20 years of my life I have no doubt at this point.

Overwhelm is the common condition.
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seems like a lot of people here with psoriasis had/have cats. i'm one as well. had psoriasis and cats all my life.

milk thistle tends to help me. but only in capsule form. my friend sent me a book a few years back on a diet to supposedly cure psoriasis. it involves cutting out all pork, carbs and alcohol. never tried it because i love pork way too much
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I have psorsis. A hereditary gift from my dad. I always had a small patch about the size of a dime on my upper arm. (no cats) In the mid 80's I got strep throat which cause my psorsis (guttate) to break out severly all over (still no cats). It took several years and lots of sunshine for it to go back to a small patch. I am now a chemo patient. The meds have triggered another severe outbreak (2 cats). I treat it with 10 minute visits to a tanning bed once a week (too cold out for sunshine therapy), long soaks in almond and grapeseed oil along with very finely ground oatmeal. Coco butter once out of the bath and dry. I'm sure that once off the chemo the psorsis will once again go away. Good luck friend! My prayers are with you.Goofy Thum
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Amen this.

I treat mine with exceptional doses of 10000 iu's vit D and religious visits to the salon. In the summer I prefer the God given natural sunshine. :) Usually during the hours of 11am -2pm, during the 'cancer' period and I do it without sunscreen. Mine is in the hair and I rinse with apple cider vinegar. I don't think it gets rid, just prevents flare ups from bacterial causes. Keeps my scalp tight. :)
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I have psorsis. A hereditary gift from my dad. I always had a small patch about the size of a dime on my upper arm. (no cats) In the mid 80's I got strep throat which cause my psorsis (guttate) to break out severly all over (still no cats). It took several years and lots of sunshine for it to go back to a small patch. I am now a chemo patient. The meds have triggered another severe outbreak (2 cats). I treat it with 10 minute visits to a tanning bed once a week (too cold out for sunshine therapy), long soaks in almond and grapeseed oil along with very finely ground oatmeal. Coco butter once out of the bath and dry. I'm sure that once off the chemo the psorsis will once again go away. Good luck friend! My prayers are with you.Goofy Thum
 Quoting: CalmSerenity


Amen this.

I treat mine with exceptional doses of 10000 iu's vit D and religious visits to the salon. In the summer I prefer the God given natural sunshine. :) Usually during the hours of 11am -2pm, during the 'cancer' period and I do it without sunscreen. Mine is in the hair and I rinse with apple cider vinegar. I don't think it gets rid, just prevents flare ups from bacterial causes. Keeps my scalp tight. :)
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I do a shot of bragg's every night from 3 nights ago, but I don't use it topically. I figure if Psoriasis is ultimately intestinal, topical treatments aren't going to do anything except possibly suppress or force the psoriasis into a new location.

I used to go to tanning beds and the skin would clear up, almost totally (stupid elbows!) but the psoriasis would enter my joints and I'd be limping about.
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Op, I have a family member with psoriasis. This same person also has a few different strains of toxo (in their dormant phase).

Like you, I think there may be some connection between the two diseases, but the doctors and CDC claim the 2 are unconnected. The doctors and CDC both refuse to treat the toxo. (they claim it is in its dormant phase). I have also been told repeatedly that it would do no good to treat the disease (toxo.) because such a large portion of the populace is believed infected with various strains, and it is easily transferable.

Someone commented on this thread about psoriasis affecting the thyroid...I've looked for this too- but so far my loved one's tests have come out normal on this front.

One thing I have noticed helps to keep the psoriasis rash flare ups down-use 100% cotton EVERYTHING. After switching the majority of hats, socks, sheets, etc. all replaced with cotton there seems to be some improvement.

Also, OP, just a heads up. There seems to be a few varieties of psoriasis out there, their symptoms are the same but they react differently to treatment. I say this because I have met several people with the "psoriasis" diagnosis, who react adversely to the preventative treatments, allergy treatments, and light treatments. For my loved one and many others I've met, staying out of the sunlight is best.

Good luck in your research, OP.

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