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MSM News: 2012 catastrophe is NOT a Mayan prediction, it's actually from 1970's new age books, date baed on magic mushroom trip

 
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“December 21st will be just another Friday morning,” said Andrew Wilson, Assistant Head of Social Studies at the University of Derby. “A hippy guru called Jose Arguelles associated the date with the Mayan calendar in a book called The Mayan Factor in 1987. But it's an obsolete form of the calendar, which had not been used since the year 1100AD.”



The actual date of December 21 first appeared in an earlier work - a 1975 book by Terence McKenna, a writer known for his descriptions of “machine elves” seen while under the influence of drugs.

The date appeared in McKenna's ‘Timeline Zero’ prophecy, and was based on McKenna’s own mathematics, the Chinese I Ching and a magic mushroom trip.


Jose Arguelles, author of The Mayan Factor (Image: Wikimedia)McKenna later met Arguelles and the two became, Wilson says, part of a circle of New Age authors who cited each other’s work, lending the ‘prophecy’ an air of believability.

“The significance of December 21 2012 in ‘New Age’ circles emerged from the work of ‘ethnobotanist’ Terence McKenna as he travelled deep into the Amazon in the 1970s,” says Wilson. His calculations of a ‘zero time wave’ suggested the world would go through a large change on December 21.”

“Arguelles, who had a long-held interest in Native American spiritualties, was inspired by McKenna’s work. He popularised the date in connection with the ‘long count calendar’ of the Mayan people in his new-age circles.”

As the belief has evolved, it has become associated with other, wilder predictions - such as the idea that Earth will be hit by a ‘rogue planet’, Nibiru, or swallowed by a black hole.
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The FIRST mention of this date was from the catholics in 2012..

THEY have the remaining codces of Chillan Balam.

Go take a shit idiot..LEARN your actual history.
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The FIRST mention of this date was from the catholics in 2012..

THEY have the remaining codces of Chilam Balam.

Go take a shit idiot..LEARN your actual history.
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Typo fxd
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The FIRST mention of this date was from the catholics in 2012..

THEY have the remaining codces of Chillan Balam.

Go take a shit idiot..LEARN your actual history.
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Fuck off cunt, I never said it was true or false and you are talking shit anyway
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“December 21st will be just another Friday morning,” said Andrew Wilson, Assistant Head of Social Studies at the University of Derby. “A hippy guru called Jose Arguelles associated the date with the Mayan calendar in a book called The Mayan Factor in 1987. But it's an obsolete form of the calendar, which had not been used since the year 1100AD.”



The actual date of December 21 first appeared in an earlier work - a 1975 book by Terence McKenna, a writer known for his descriptions of “machine elves” seen while under the influence of drugs.

The date appeared in McKenna's ‘Timeline Zero’ prophecy, and was based on McKenna’s own mathematics, the Chinese I Ching and a magic mushroom trip.


Jose Arguelles, author of The Mayan Factor (Image: Wikimedia)McKenna later met Arguelles and the two became, Wilson says, part of a circle of New Age authors who cited each other’s work, lending the ‘prophecy’ an air of believability.

“The significance of December 21 2012 in ‘New Age’ circles emerged from the work of ‘ethnobotanist’ Terence McKenna as he travelled deep into the Amazon in the 1970s,” says Wilson. His calculations of a ‘zero time wave’ suggested the world would go through a large change on December 21.”

“Arguelles, who had a long-held interest in Native American spiritualties, was inspired by McKenna’s work. He popularised the date in connection with the ‘long count calendar’ of the Mayan people in his new-age circles.”

As the belief has evolved, it has become associated with other, wilder predictions - such as the idea that Earth will be hit by a ‘rogue planet’, Nibiru, or swallowed by a black hole.
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I remember coming across the name of Jose Arguelles years ago. As I understood he claimed to be the reincarnation of Pacal Votan, an ancient Maya ruler, and to have a special mission....

As for McKenna's use of drugs to get a better grip on reality as it were - which is sort of contradictory if you know what I mean - obviously this doesn't lend more credibility to this sort of material than would have been the case without it....

It is remarkable how many of similar gurus have come onto the scene these last 2 decades or so.
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“December 21st will be just another Friday morning,” said Andrew Wilson, Assistant Head of Social Studies at the University of Derby. “A hippy guru called Jose Arguelles associated the date with the Mayan calendar in a book called The Mayan Factor in 1987. But it's an obsolete form of the calendar, which had not been used since the year 1100AD.”



The actual date of December 21 first appeared in an earlier work - a 1975 book by Terence McKenna, a writer known for his descriptions of “machine elves” seen while under the influence of drugs.

The date appeared in McKenna's ‘Timeline Zero’ prophecy, and was based on McKenna’s own mathematics, the Chinese I Ching and a magic mushroom trip.


Jose Arguelles, author of The Mayan Factor (Image: Wikimedia)McKenna later met Arguelles and the two became, Wilson says, part of a circle of New Age authors who cited each other’s work, lending the ‘prophecy’ an air of believability.

“The significance of December 21 2012 in ‘New Age’ circles emerged from the work of ‘ethnobotanist’ Terence McKenna as he travelled deep into the Amazon in the 1970s,” says Wilson. His calculations of a ‘zero time wave’ suggested the world would go through a large change on December 21.”

“Arguelles, who had a long-held interest in Native American spiritualties, was inspired by McKenna’s work. He popularised the date in connection with the ‘long count calendar’ of the Mayan people in his new-age circles.”

As the belief has evolved, it has become associated with other, wilder predictions - such as the idea that Earth will be hit by a ‘rogue planet’, Nibiru, or swallowed by a black hole.
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As for McKenna's use of drugs to get a better grip on reality as it were - which is sort of contradictory if you know what I mean - obviously this doesn't lend more credibility to this sort of material than would have been the case without it....


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What the hell do you think the mayans were doing??
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From this link:

“He claimed to be channelling various spirits, including the spirit of a Mayan king from the seventh century. He predicted a ‘shift in human consciousness’ - mass enlightenment.”

This is not accurate. Arguelles stated himself on his site: "I am Votan."

This doesn't sound like channelling.
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“December 21st will be just another Friday morning,” said Andrew Wilson, Assistant Head of Social Studies at the University of Derby. “A hippy guru called Jose Arguelles associated the date with the Mayan calendar in a book called The Mayan Factor in 1987. But it's an obsolete form of the calendar, which had not been used since the year 1100AD.”



The actual date of December 21 first appeared in an earlier work - a 1975 book by Terence McKenna, a writer known for his descriptions of “machine elves” seen while under the influence of drugs.

The date appeared in McKenna's ‘Timeline Zero’ prophecy, and was based on McKenna’s own mathematics, the Chinese I Ching and a magic mushroom trip.


Jose Arguelles, author of The Mayan Factor (Image: Wikimedia)McKenna later met Arguelles and the two became, Wilson says, part of a circle of New Age authors who cited each other’s work, lending the ‘prophecy’ an air of believability.

“The significance of December 21 2012 in ‘New Age’ circles emerged from the work of ‘ethnobotanist’ Terence McKenna as he travelled deep into the Amazon in the 1970s,” says Wilson. His calculations of a ‘zero time wave’ suggested the world would go through a large change on December 21.”

“Arguelles, who had a long-held interest in Native American spiritualties, was inspired by McKenna’s work. He popularised the date in connection with the ‘long count calendar’ of the Mayan people in his new-age circles.”

As the belief has evolved, it has become associated with other, wilder predictions - such as the idea that Earth will be hit by a ‘rogue planet’, Nibiru, or swallowed by a black hole.
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As for McKenna's use of drugs to get a better grip on reality as it were - which is sort of contradictory if you know what I mean - obviously this doesn't lend more credibility to this sort of material than would have been the case without it....


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43785235

What the hell do you think the mayans were doing??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466471

To the Mayas, the gods of their religion were real entities. They were an ancient people to whom contact with their gods was not contradicted by modern science and for whom use of mushrooms (or any similar practices) would be regulated by their religion. And as said in the article, they didn't even in fact predict 2012, but some New Age gurus did.
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“December 21st will be just another Friday morning,” said Andrew Wilson, Assistant Head of Social Studies at the University of Derby. “A hippy guru called Jose Arguelles associated the date with the Mayan calendar in a book called The Mayan Factor in 1987. But it's an obsolete form of the calendar, which had not been used since the year 1100AD.”



The actual date of December 21 first appeared in an earlier work - a 1975 book by Terence McKenna, a writer known for his descriptions of “machine elves” seen while under the influence of drugs.

The date appeared in McKenna's ‘Timeline Zero’ prophecy, and was based on McKenna’s own mathematics, the Chinese I Ching and a magic mushroom trip.


Jose Arguelles, author of The Mayan Factor (Image: Wikimedia)McKenna later met Arguelles and the two became, Wilson says, part of a circle of New Age authors who cited each other’s work, lending the ‘prophecy’ an air of believability.

“The significance of December 21 2012 in ‘New Age’ circles emerged from the work of ‘ethnobotanist’ Terence McKenna as he travelled deep into the Amazon in the 1970s,” says Wilson. His calculations of a ‘zero time wave’ suggested the world would go through a large change on December 21.”

“Arguelles, who had a long-held interest in Native American spiritualties, was inspired by McKenna’s work. He popularised the date in connection with the ‘long count calendar’ of the Mayan people in his new-age circles.”

As the belief has evolved, it has become associated with other, wilder predictions - such as the idea that Earth will be hit by a ‘rogue planet’, Nibiru, or swallowed by a black hole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29653779



As for McKenna's use of drugs to get a better grip on reality as it were - which is sort of contradictory if you know what I mean - obviously this doesn't lend more credibility to this sort of material than would have been the case without it....


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43785235

What the hell do you think the mayans were doing??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466471

To the Mayas, the gods of their religion were real entities. They were an ancient people to whom contact with their gods was not contradicted by modern science and for whom use of mushrooms (or any similar practices) would be regulated by their religion. And as said in the article, they didn't even in fact predict 2012, but some New Age gurus did.
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Their drug of choice was actually DMT attained through frog venom.
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As for McKenna's use of drugs to get a better grip on reality as it were - which is sort of contradictory if you know what I mean - obviously this doesn't lend more credibility to this sort of material than would have been the case without it....


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What the hell do you think the mayans were doing??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466471

To the Mayas, the gods of their religion were real entities. They were an ancient people to whom contact with their gods was not contradicted by modern science and for whom use of mushrooms (or any similar practices) would be regulated by their religion. And as said in the article, they didn't even in fact predict 2012, but some New Age gurus did.
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Their drug of choice was actually DMT attained through frog venom.
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I don't really know what, if any, "consciousness expanding" drugs the mayas used... but I think that would be toad venom, not frog.
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“December 21st will be just another Friday morning,” said Andrew Wilson, Assistant Head of Social Studies at the University of Derby. “A hippy guru called Jose Arguelles associated the date with the Mayan calendar in a book called The Mayan Factor in 1987. But it's an obsolete form of the calendar, which had not been used since the year 1100AD.”



The actual date of December 21 first appeared in an earlier work - a 1975 book by Terence McKenna, a writer known for his descriptions of “machine elves” seen while under the influence of drugs.

The date appeared in McKenna's ‘Timeline Zero’ prophecy, and was based on McKenna’s own mathematics, the Chinese I Ching and a magic mushroom trip.


Jose Arguelles, author of The Mayan Factor (Image: Wikimedia)McKenna later met Arguelles and the two became, Wilson says, part of a circle of New Age authors who cited each other’s work, lending the ‘prophecy’ an air of believability.

“The significance of December 21 2012 in ‘New Age’ circles emerged from the work of ‘ethnobotanist’ Terence McKenna as he travelled deep into the Amazon in the 1970s,” says Wilson. His calculations of a ‘zero time wave’ suggested the world would go through a large change on December 21.”

“Arguelles, who had a long-held interest in Native American spiritualties, was inspired by McKenna’s work. He popularised the date in connection with the ‘long count calendar’ of the Mayan people in his new-age circles.”

As the belief has evolved, it has become associated with other, wilder predictions - such as the idea that Earth will be hit by a ‘rogue planet’, Nibiru, or swallowed by a black hole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29653779



As for McKenna's use of drugs to get a better grip on reality as it were - which is sort of contradictory if you know what I mean - obviously this doesn't lend more credibility to this sort of material than would have been the case without it....


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43785235

What the hell do you think the mayans were doing??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466471

To the Mayas, the gods of their religion were real entities. They were an ancient people to whom contact with their gods was not contradicted by modern science and for whom use of mushrooms (or any similar practices) would be regulated by their religion. And as said in the article, they didn't even in fact predict 2012, but some New Age gurus did.
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The Maya were hardly "ancient"
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As for McKenna's use of drugs to get a better grip on reality as it were - which is sort of contradictory if you know what I mean - obviously this doesn't lend more credibility to this sort of material than would have been the case without it....


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What the hell do you think the mayans were doing??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466471

To the Mayas, the gods of their religion were real entities. They were an ancient people to whom contact with their gods was not contradicted by modern science and for whom use of mushrooms (or any similar practices) would be regulated by their religion. And as said in the article, they didn't even in fact predict 2012, but some New Age gurus did.
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The Maya were hardly "ancient"
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To all intents and purposes - yes, they were.
They only were contacted by modern civilization (remember, we are living in modern times which started only with the Renaissance or somewhere in the 1400's) a few centuries ago.
The fact they were living in the 1600's does not imply they were a modern people.
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What the hell do you think the mayans were doing??
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To the Mayas, the gods of their religion were real entities. They were an ancient people to whom contact with their gods was not contradicted by modern science and for whom use of mushrooms (or any similar practices) would be regulated by their religion. And as said in the article, they didn't even in fact predict 2012, but some New Age gurus did.
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The Maya were hardly "ancient"
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To all intents and purposes - yes, they were.
They only were contacted by modern civilization (remember, we are living in modern times which started only with the Renaissance or somewhere in the 1400's) a few centuries ago.
The fact they were living in the 1600's does not imply they were a modern people.
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Ummmmmmmm the Maya were preceded by several known cultures in the same area so I don't understand your statements which make no sense
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To the Mayas, the gods of their religion were real entities. They were an ancient people to whom contact with their gods was not contradicted by modern science and for whom use of mushrooms (or any similar practices) would be regulated by their religion. And as said in the article, they didn't even in fact predict 2012, but some New Age gurus did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43785235


The Maya were hardly "ancient"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42392596

To all intents and purposes - yes, they were.
They only were contacted by modern civilization (remember, we are living in modern times which started only with the Renaissance or somewhere in the 1400's) a few centuries ago.
The fact they were living in the 1600's does not imply they were a modern people.
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Ummmmmmmm the Maya were preceded by several known cultures in the same area so I don't understand your statements which make no sense
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That's exactly it - they make no sense to you because you don't understand what I was saying. Maybe you just want to read a few more times.
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Now just get rid of those pesky Sumerian tablets.
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