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lest we not forget the 84' Mcdonalds massacre

 
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lest we not forget the 84' Mcdonalds massacre
In wake of recent mass shootings, and tonights mall shooting which luckily did not end in such horror as many before it. One of the worst in US history, that often is never mentioned in the media

The San Ysidro McDonald's massacre was a mass murder that occurred on July 18, 1984, in a McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidro, California, United States. James Oliver Huberty killed 21 people (including five children) and injured 19 others.

Huberty found work as a welder for Union Metal Inc. while living in Canton. He and Etna had a history of violent behavior. Domestic violence was frequent in the Huberty household, with Etna once filing a report with the Canton Department of Children and Family Services that her husband had "messed up" her jaw. She would produce tarot cards and pretend to read his future to pacify him and his bouts of violence, thus producing a temporary calming effect. Etna instructed her daughter Zelia to physically assault one of her classmates at a neighbor's daughter's birthday party.[citation needed] In a related altercation with the child's mother, Etna threatened the woman with a 9 mm pistol; the Canton police arrested her but failed to confiscate the weapon. Huberty shot his dog, a German Shepherd, in the head when a neighbor complained about the dog damaging his car.[citation needed]





RIP a list of the dead, not including the shooter who was killed by a sniper bullet to the heart.

Killed

Elsa Herlinda Borboa-Firro, 19
Neva Denise Caine, 22
Michelle Deanne Carncross, 18
María Elena Colmenero-Silva, 19
David Flores Delgado, 11
Gloria López González, 23
Omar Alonso Hernández, 11
Blythe Regan Herrera, 31
Matao Herrera, 11
Paulina Aquino López, 21
Margarita Padilla, 18
Claudia Pérez, 9
Jose Rubén Lozano Pérez, 19
Carlos Reyes, 8 months
Jackie Lynn Wright Reyes, 18
Victor Maxmillian Rivera, 25
Arisdelsi Vuelvas Vargas, 31
Hugo Luis Velazquez Vasquez, 45
Laurence Herman “Gus” Versluis, 62
Aida Velazquez Victoria, 69
Miguel Victoria Ulloa, 74


may this soul rest in hell.

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i'm not sure if he was a prepper or not, most of this was from wikipedia. But other sources online, and a few documentaries do mention his condition. He told his wife before he left the house, he was going out to hunt humans. She chalked up to his often quirky behavior. He also called out to medical professionals and mental health in the days ahead..but fell on deaf ears.


interesting story.
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Have we not taken a look at the stark statistics of the population that is actually being treated for some form of mental illness?

And the percentages for nations by their nation?

Are we going to be able to say it is only us?

Are we ever going to wake up to the fact that this is almost epidemic?

No because that would mean we would have to give not only reason for it..but the fix to the cause that caused it.
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researching all of these shootings, where was the news on this one? 7 dead in april 2012? in oakland

i don't recall any coverage at all. I guess since the dead are korean>?

[link to abcnews.go.com]


it's getting REAL out there, false flags perhaps in recent years...or nut jobs...getting real.
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researching all of these shootings, where was the news on this one? 7 dead in april 2012? in oakland

i don't recall any coverage at all. I guess since the dead are korean>?

[link to abcnews.go.com]


it's getting REAL out there, false flags perhaps in recent years...or nut jobs...getting real.
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granted i was quite busy around april july of this year. With so many shootings going on, it's hard to keep track.
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Wait for those medicated placid ones to become out numbered by those never counter in the under treatment category.

Those will come out like like a lightening bolt totally unexpected, while still maintaining a sane appearance and composure.

Hiding that which they know they have but deny it away with a practiced composure and appearance.....

Will finally get that last straw that will break the camels back...

And there will be no discussing any thing nor will they then seek any help.
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I actually lived in the SD area in 84, i was all of 4 years old. I do recall my parents being paranoid about going into mcdonalds after this happened. I just had forgotten about it, like most people. But have been doing research on spree and mass killers. So many cases in the US, and other countries in the last 40 years alone.


it's not a new phenomenon..just with new tech, instant information. It's thrown in our face daily. We have become desensitized to it all.


will it amount to gun control soon, i don't know. But comments i read on news sites, blows after any shooting, even today's mall shooting that took 3 lives. The over whelming majority what massive gun regulation.


It's not the GUN, but the person behind it. Some of these cases scream MKultra...some scream lone nutjob.


The aurora CO case imo is a sure bet mind control subject gone haywire. The mcdonalds killer in 84, no. He had a long history of mental issues, but never got the proper treatment. He also had heavy metal's found in his body from years of welding. Could be a factor.
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Wait for those medicated placid ones to become out numbered by those never counter in the under treatment category.

Those will come out like like a lightening bolt totally unexpected, while still maintaining a sane appearance and composure.

Hiding that which they know they have but deny it away with a practiced composure and appearance.....

Will finally get that last straw that will break the camels back...

And there will be no discussing any thing nor will they then seek any help.
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Medicated indeed these days.


the 84 shooter James Oliver Huberty, had been on Valium. A mild narcotic for anxiety, which had worked with him. Not an anti depressant though, or worse anti psychotic. He actually called the local mental health clinic 3 times up the road, but his pleas' were ignored from my reading on the event.


he also had held a knife to his daughters throat a year prior, but the wife failed to report it. After, watching his wife who died in 2003 or, i honestly think she was crazy as fuck also from the interviews she gave over the years.
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Yes but the form of violence has drastically turned to sadistic.

It is on thing to have a postal situation but it is totally not even in the same ball game when we have cannibalism and other things such as this..

These things are processed depravity...they do not happen spontaneously as they say..

It is a step down program...

Not off drugs but a step down of their own conscience step by step.

By filthy dreaming and then filthy toying then curdling acts...

Once these are in the stairway they can not be made back to their premorbid state.

They lie a liars straight out of hell to say that they can heal a conscience back or input one.

And get this...they start these descents not for anger reasons in their beginnings at all but out of sexual closet dreaming they so an no one even knows...and another one is fascinations.

Pure fascinations in the things not spoken of openly because they would trip off others...they are indeed monsters in the making.

Once that mind is seared like this in hiding most the time...lays something only violence will satisfy.

They are vessels to be destroyed because they them selves are destroyers.

And they will make friends and draw them into it and they will multiply in like minds..

Some start out for a cause one of discontent based on being taken from or moved against or better to say provoked.

There for they create reason to go forth destroying out of their own cause they them selves trumped up.

For wrath they daydreamed and lusted for.
But this takes on many other things to satisfy their lust for wrath...even sexual means to feed it.

Sadistic psychopaths are self made and they do multiply not just lone wolfs.

We think of them as lone wolf actors..

Because we have forgotten what mankind is capable of by mere history alone.

Some places now treat it as though it is just domestic violence the boys are at it a again fighting and disagreeing......make be even competition.

But in all this was their experimenting with it and in it...with all manners of it.

And even the ones not participating in it found one fruit of it to be attractive to them.

I have seen this in the basement of even a doctor one that was female...and it spread like wild fire men and women alike in it... form police to students.

Some may walk away but not all do they just relocate.

This is not just a rampaging postal shooter....it goes much deeper and much wore than that.

It goes to work and lives in your neighborhoods it goes to boot camp it goes gangs...clubs.

And can go national.
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Re: lest we not forget the 84' Mcdonalds massacre
We need more Huberty's...
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We need more Huberty's...
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This guy is a drop in the bucket to the amount of people mcdonalds has killed over the years with their food.
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Re: lest we not forget the 84' Mcdonalds massacre
21 more victims of another "Gun Free Zone".

Can anyone tell me why mass shootings are always in states, citys and places where guns are not allowed?

Oh! Thats right! The perpetrator always chooses those places because he'll be invicible, at least for a while.

Why do our governments (and other stupid people on the planet) seem to constantly seek to empower murderers by taking away an organic right: that of self defense.

After a short period of time you start to realize that criminals that would kill you and rob you think like the government because that is also the goal of government.

Resist. Gun free zones are dangerous. Avoid them. Eliminate them. One wise CCW guy could have cut the losses at this McDonalds in 1984.

When the color of law says you're not supposed to carry a gun, *THAT* is exactly when you should be carrying!!!
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"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed
when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
sarah brady

what do these "people" call peace?
Lack of resistance to THEIR JWO/NWO
joker: where'd he get money, training from? That clown had better gear than many of us........course NO way could mk ultra be happening. Operation gunwalker, P.O.t.u.S. working under radar....

"When everything americans believe is false our disinformation program will be a success."
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