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getting clean off heroin....any suggestions or just friendly chat? cant sleep!!!

 
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Proud of ya, Bud!!! Have been told how difficult it is to do. My brother is still out in the world doing this. He's tried, but the hold it gets, again, being told by him, is so incredible that he cares for nothing or no one (2 daughters, one,(new) grand son) but his next hit.
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Yet we continue to say its "just" a moral/willpower problem, and studies which show otherwise are ignored

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So this is like your 21st time to try and stop correct? Yet on the first day your on GLP asking for help... Truly amazing and not in a good way.
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So this is like your 21st time to try and stop correct? Yet on the first day your on GLP asking for help... Truly amazing and not in a good way.
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I read the whole thread, I missed where he said he tries 21 times. He said that its been 3 months using I thought. Why bother posting if you don't want to encourage him? It just makes you look mean spirited.
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So this is like your 21st time to try and stop correct? Yet on the first day your on GLP asking for help... Truly amazing and not in a good way.
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I read the whole thread, I missed where he said he tries 21 times. He said that its been 3 months using I thought. Why bother posting if you don't want to encourage him? It just makes you look mean spirited.
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Because I've known 100's of people and his reasoning behind it isn't even that justified. IT's only to get a job. What's to stop him from doing it again after he passes his drug test?

I'm just being realistic. HE may not even know it himself but the addicted part of him probably wants him to get this job to have money to pay for more drugs. His only motivation is passing the drug test.

Plus who comes to GLP of all places to seek help for a stupid addiction you shouldn't have gotten into in the first place?

I love drugs but I hardly use them in the first place but when I do it's not with stupid ass concoctions that screw up your mind and body.

I have no sympathy for heroin or meth users.

I have no problem with drug users but people who willingly take a substance that has been proven over and over again to kill you is an idiot.

I say the same thing about Cig smokers. IT's just stupid.
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Re: getting clean off heroin....any suggestions or just friendly chat? cant sleep!!!
I also recommend Kratom. In February, I'll be 2 years clean off dope, and kratom was my absolute life saver. You can find it at most headshops or online. If you can find some bentonite clay, it'd help as well, as it's negatively charged and attracts positively charged toxins to it for quick excretion. Don't replace the habit with methadone or soboxon... just as hard to quit. Might as well get it over with asap. You can beat this! You ARE stronger than the drug. Good luck OP! hf
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i worked as a pharmacist for many years dealing with methadone dispensing in drug problem inner city areas.

one addict i remember recommended skullcap herbal tea to assist with sleep.

id recommend trying valerian or skullcap or both.
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why would you take that shit in the first place? There is a line and it is there for a reason.

Glad you are going cold turkey because that drug is a load of shit and shouldn't be in anyone's system..

Wish you all the best OP..
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So this is like your 21st time to try and stop correct? Yet on the first day your on GLP asking for help... Truly amazing and not in a good way.
 Quoting: XSlyOneX

I read the whole thread, I missed where he said he tries 21 times. He said that its been 3 months using I thought. Why bother posting if you don't want to encourage him? It just makes you look mean spirited.
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Because I've known 100's of people and his reasoning behind it isn't even that justified. IT's only to get a job. What's to stop him from doing it again after he passes his drug test?

I'm just being realistic. HE may not even know it himself but the addicted part of him probably wants him to get this job to have money to pay for more drugs. His only motivation is passing the drug test.

Plus who comes to GLP of all places to seek help for a stupid addiction you shouldn't have gotten into in the first place?

I love drugs but I hardly use them in the first place but when I do it's not with stupid ass concoctions that screw up your mind and body.

I have no sympathy for heroin or meth users.

I have no problem with drug users but people who willingly take a substance that has been proven over and over again to kill you is an idiot.

I say the same thing about Cig smokers. IT's just stupid.
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I agree with most of what you say, but I have this thing about seeing the best in people, it makes life more bearable. Maybe this dude is the exception.
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I had friend detox of methadone, took 45 days and I heard it was easier to detox from the real thing! So just know that even if the next few days aren't a walk in the park, you're still in the better position!!! Hot baths, vitamin drinks, ibuprofen (may help with sleep, not sure about restless legs) first few days are the toughest and if you can pull through then you've mastered you vice! You take control, count minutes if you have to! Hearing pads, ear muffs and make sure to drink water because dehydration will make you suffer more.... Ill be praying for you!
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So this is like your 21st time to try and stop correct? Yet on the first day your on GLP asking for help... Truly amazing and not in a good way.
 Quoting: XSlyOneX

I read the whole thread, I missed where he said he tries 21 times. He said that its been 3 months using I thought. Why bother posting if you don't want to encourage him? It just makes you look mean spirited.
 Quoting: Really?really?


Because I've known 100's of people and his reasoning behind it isn't even that justified. IT's only to get a job. What's to stop him from doing it again after he passes his drug test?

I'm just being realistic. HE may not even know it himself but the addicted part of him probably wants him to get this job to have money to pay for more drugs. His only motivation is passing the drug test.

Plus who comes to GLP of all places to seek help for a stupid addiction you shouldn't have gotten into in the first place?

I love drugs but I hardly use them in the first place but when I do it's not with stupid ass concoctions that screw up your mind and body.

I have no sympathy for heroin or meth users.

I have no problem with drug users but people who willingly take a substance that has been proven over and over again to kill you is an idiot.

I say the same thing about Cig smokers. IT's just stupid.
 Quoting: XSlyOneX


I agree with most of what you say, but I have this thing about seeing the best in people, it makes life more bearable. Maybe this dude is the exception.
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You know maybe your right. I have a habit of being to logical and it makes me not see the unique factor that can happen at any time.

I'm working to be more positive and see that in others as well. I guess I'm more just mad that anyone has to deal with something as terrible as this and I end up taking it out on them who knows...

HArd to shrink myself lol.
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I read the whole thread, I missed where he said he tries 21 times. He said that its been 3 months using I thought. Why bother posting if you don't want to encourage him? It just makes you look mean spirited.
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Because I've known 100's of people and his reasoning behind it isn't even that justified. IT's only to get a job. What's to stop him from doing it again after he passes his drug test?

I'm just being realistic. HE may not even know it himself but the addicted part of him probably wants him to get this job to have money to pay for more drugs. His only motivation is passing the drug test.

Plus who comes to GLP of all places to seek help for a stupid addiction you shouldn't have gotten into in the first place?

I love drugs but I hardly use them in the first place but when I do it's not with stupid ass concoctions that screw up your mind and body.

I have no sympathy for heroin or meth users.

I have no problem with drug users but people who willingly take a substance that has been proven over and over again to kill you is an idiot.

I say the same thing about Cig smokers. IT's just stupid.
 Quoting: XSlyOneX


I agree with most of what you say, but I have this thing about seeing the best in people, it makes life more bearable. Maybe this dude is the exception.
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You know maybe your right. I have a habit of being to logical and it makes me not see the unique factor that can happen at any time.

I'm working to be more positive and see that in others as well. I guess I'm more just mad that anyone has to deal with something as terrible as this and I end up taking it out on them who knows...

HArd to shrink myself lol.
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I know the waste is appalling, good people down the drain through stupidity and weakness. Good on ya though, all the best
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So this is like your 21st time to try and stop correct? Yet on the first day your on GLP asking for help... Truly amazing and not in a good way.
 Quoting: XSlyOneX

I read the whole thread, I missed where he said he tries 21 times. He said that its been 3 months using I thought. Why bother posting if you don't want to encourage him? It just makes you look mean spirited.
 Quoting: Really?really?


Because I've known 100's of people and his reasoning behind it isn't even that justified. IT's only to get a job. What's to stop him from doing it again after he passes his drug test?

I'm just being realistic. HE may not even know it himself but the addicted part of him probably wants him to get this job to have money to pay for more drugs. His only motivation is passing the drug test.

Plus who comes to GLP of all places to seek help for a stupid addiction you shouldn't have gotten into in the first place?

I love drugs but I hardly use them in the first place but when I do it's not with stupid ass concoctions that screw up your mind and body.

I have no sympathy for heroin or meth users.I have no problem with drug users but people who willingly take a substance that has been proven over and over again to kill you is an idiot.

I say the same thing about Cig smokers. IT's just stupid.
 Quoting: XSlyOneX


No sympathy for heroin or meth users? Oh but you should. Life is nothing but a struggle for them. I have a friend dealing with it right now, and it is just so sad.

So much encouragement and support felt for you OP! You can do it!

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Lol I couldn't imagine what Heroin is like.

Ive been right hooked on blow and meth. And that's nothing compared to it.
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Ya I've withrdawn from pills before. This is way worse. This shit is the devil I can not believe how I feel..... and the worst part is, I can't tell almost anyone and I can't smoke weed... If I could smoke weed this would be CAKE
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Is the op dead?
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COCAINE
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COCAINE
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its a hell of a drug
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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COCAINE
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its a hell of a drug
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And best of all not addictive just enjoyable but very expensive
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IBOGAINE REMOVES withdrawals INSTANTLY!!!

Ibogaine cures not only heroin, amfetamin, cocain addictions etc etc, but also

alcohol addiction
nicotine addiction
gambling addiction
sex addiction etc etc

compulsive disorder
PTSD
etc etc

its about the dopamin receptors.

you can ALSO get a spiritual experience, and psychic experiences (precognitions) or past life experiences during the treatment.

read up on IBOGAINE, google IBOGAINE!!

49 min documentary:

Dr. Anwar Jeewa: Ibogaine Cure of Heroin Addiction

Anwar Jeewa of Minds Alive clinic in South Africa describes curing heroin addiction with a single dosing of Ibogaine, derived from the bark of the root of an African plant, Tabernanthe Iboga, returning patients to their pre-addictive state in hours! Then some weeks in his clinic are devoted to helping former addicts psychologically to make wiser choices. Ibogaine treatment is currently illegal in the US, apparently the result of corruption within the national drug abuse agency NIDA that originally agreed to fund study of Ibogaine and then backed off without good reason.


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COCAINE
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its a hell of a drug
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And best of all not addictive just enjoyable but very expensive
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29799347


great sex, helps you lose weight makes you smarted. its WINNING
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

:ftwpanda:

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Re: getting clean off heroin....any suggestions or just friendly chat? cant sleep!!!
IBOGAINE REMOVES withdrawals INSTANTLY!!!

Ibogaine cures not only heroin, amfetamin, cocain addictions etc etc, but also

alcohol addiction
nicotine addiction
gambling addiction
sex addiction etc etc

compulsive disorder
PTSD
etc etc

its about the dopamin receptors.

you can ALSO get a spiritual experience, and psychic experiences (precognitions) or past life experiences during the treatment.

read up on IBOGAINE, google IBOGAINE!!

49 min documentary:

Dr. Anwar Jeewa: Ibogaine Cure of Heroin Addiction

Anwar Jeewa of Minds Alive clinic in South Africa describes curing heroin addiction with a single dosing of Ibogaine, derived from the bark of the root of an African plant, Tabernanthe Iboga, returning patients to their pre-addictive state in hours! Then some weeks in his clinic are devoted to helping former addicts psychologically to make wiser choices. Ibogaine treatment is currently illegal in the US, apparently the result of corruption within the national drug abuse agency NIDA that originally agreed to fund study of Ibogaine and then backed off without good reason.


[link to www.youtube.com]
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I will say again cocaine is not addictive! and the only cure for Heroin is to be locked in the bedroom for a month cold turkey
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i don't know much about heroin, but i do know about health and why people turn addictive.

it is because they have low NATURAL feel-good hormones.

you must fix your gut, because that is where these hormones are made. see the gaps (gut and psychology syndrome) diet.

your immune system needs these hormones to run properly.

once your brain realizes that doing a certain thing (such as heroin) will give it feel-goods, it will grab onto that for dear life, because it truly is impossible to live without feel-good hormones for very long.

lots of other things (that are not destructive) will improve your feel-good hormone levels. sex with your partner (or self), hugging, doing good deeds for others (volunteer?), laughter (watch comedy movies), a delicious meal, exercise... well, look it up.

good luck to you.
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i worked as a pharmacist for many years dealing with methadone dispensing in drug problem inner city areas.

one addict i remember recommended skullcap herbal tea to assist with sleep.

id recommend trying valerian or skullcap or both.
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As I mentioned, I am a clinical herbalist. Skullcap is another big player in the protocol I mentioned. It is somewhat sedative (strongly so for some folks), but its biggest use in this context is for the "kick." The twitches, kicks and inability to get comfortable is greatly reduced by Skullcap. I also use it for Restless Leg Syndrome. Also, Skullcap is NASTY for most people unaccustomed to the BITTER taste. Tea is, therefore, not such a good idea. Use tincture available at Whole Foods or similar.

Valerian is very, very helpful, but with a caveat or two. In high doses (which are needed in this context. 50 drops and up), it is stimulating first (maybe 30-45 minutes) then it sedates. For some folks, it is just stimulating. I find this to be true for as many as 1 in 20 of my clients. It is best used an hour or so before bedtime to let any stimulation pas s before hitting the hay.

In combination, they are very effective, especially when added to the Passionflower I mentioned a few pages ago.
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COCAINE
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its a hell of a drug
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And best of all not addictive just enjoyable but very expensive
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great sex, helps you lose weight makes you smarted. its WINNING
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'great sex' Haha! yep yep!
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i don't know much about heroin, but i do know about health and why people turn addictive.

it is because they have low NATURAL feel-good hormones.

you must fix your gut, because that is where these hormones are made. see the gaps (gut and psychology syndrome) diet.

your immune system needs these hormones to run properly.

once your brain realizes that doing a certain thing (such as heroin) will give it feel-goods, it will grab onto that for dear life, because it truly is impossible to live without feel-good hormones for very long.

lots of other things (that are not destructive) will improve your feel-good hormone levels. sex with your partner (or self), hugging, doing good deeds for others (volunteer?), laughter (watch comedy movies), a delicious meal, exercise... well, look it up.

good luck to you.
 Quoting: queenbee 1562977


you're somewhat right for most addictions. but heroin is much more different.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

:ftwpanda:

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count backwards 100-0 over and over again
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Good luck. You will NEVER regret it if you go all the way.

So many, many, many, many, many great, awesome, unspeakable revelations happen. It truly is a grand awakening.

Blessings to you for even attempting it or wanting to.

That's all you have to have... you just have to want to.

There is somebody looking over you who will help you with the rest whenever you choose to ask.
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I could expound on the above but that poster put it pretty well.

PATIENCE is your ally. Some things just take time. Getting clean takes a long time.

Please stick with it, it is so worth it, the greatest gift you could ever give yourself.
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dont give up man. I am coming up on two years clean and I have never felt better. stick it out
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You think you feel good now, wait til you have 18 years! I am truly blessed.
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dont give up man. I am coming up on two years clean and I have never felt better. stick it out
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You think you feel good now, wait til you have 18 years! I am truly blessed.
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Congrats on the 18 years hf its only been 4 months without the needle and I feel great and haven't looked back.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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dont give up man. I am coming up on two years clean and I have never felt better. stick it out
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You think you feel good now, wait til you have 18 years! I am truly blessed.
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Congrats on the 18 years hf its only been 4 months without the needle and I feel great and haven't looked back.
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wow you quit Heroin for 4 months?

How did you do it?
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I have my own demons, I am trying to quit a bad habit as well.

I am a very successful person but I have let work get the best of me. Im a workaholic and have turned to other "outlets" to relieve stress at times.

Im still fairly young so I would love to get it over with now

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