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Amsterdam to ban smoking pot in school

 
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12/12/2012 07:29 AM

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Amsterdam to ban smoking pot in school
Amsterdam to ban smoking pot in school


AMSTERDAM (AP) — Amsterdam’s mayor said Wednesday he would formally ban students from smoking marijuana at school, making the Dutch capital the first city in the Netherlands to do so.


Eberhard van der Laan’s introduction of a law that in other countries either already exists or seems so obvious it wouldn’t even require a rule is the result of the Netherlands’ unique drugs policy. Under the ‘‘tolerance’’ principle, marijuana is technically illegal here, but police can’t prosecute people for possession of small amounts.


That’s the loophole that made possible Amsterdam’s famed ‘‘coffee shops’’ — cafes where marijuana is sold openly. But it has also had the unwanted side effect that Dutch children are frequently exposed to the drug in public areas.


City spokeswoman Iris Reshef says schools have always forbidden pot, but found it difficult to enforce the policy when students smoked on or near campus and challenged administrators to do anything about it.


‘‘It’s not really what you have in mind as an educator, that children would be turning up for class stoned, or drunk either for that matter,’’ she said. ‘‘But it has been a problem for some schools.’’


After a change in national law, the city will now be able to declare as of Jan. 1 ‘‘no toking zones’’ — areas like schools and playgrounds where weed-smoking is forbidden — under a public nuisance ordinance. Police can then levy fines against students or anybody else who flout the rules.


The move is closely paired with a decision by the new government to ditch plans for a national ‘‘weed pass’’ that would have blocked tourists from buying marijuana.


That was a measure years in the making, and greatly desired by southern cities such as Maastricht that have been flooded with dealers from Belgium and Germany who drive across the border to buy weed in bulk. But the weed pass was opposed by Amsterdam, where drug tourists are not generally seen as causing many problems.


Last month, Van der Laan proclaimed that coffee shops would stay open for tourists after all. In a letter Wednesday, he noted that one in three tourists who come to Amsterdam try marijuana while they’re here, more than previously estimated.


Wednesday’s decision seems to signal a typically Dutch compromise outcome: the drug will remain available for adults and tourists who want to try it, but access for children will be restricted.


After several decades of the tolerance policy, Dutch marijuana usage rates are in the middle of international norms, higher than those in neighboring Germany, but lower than those in France, Britain or the United States.
A small change at one place in a complex system, can have large effects elswhere..
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12/12/2012 07:31 AM
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Re: Amsterdam to ban smoking pot in school
I just went across the street too smoke during breaks.
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12/12/2012 07:32 AM
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They shouldn't be smoking anything in school.
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12/12/2012 07:45 AM

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I just went across the street too smoke during breaks.
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bonghit

I did to but it wasn't pot.
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12/12/2012 07:46 AM
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Re: Amsterdam to ban smoking pot in school
They shouldn't be smoking anything in school.
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Would be interesting to see the marks of the habitual smokers!
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12/12/2012 07:48 AM
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Would be interesting to see the marks of the habitual smokers!
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Its going to be funny if everyone's grades go down after the ban...
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12/12/2012 08:21 AM
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They will have a hard time getting this through, the last thing they tried failed hard (wietpas). It also depends on the type of school, if its MBO, HBO or University then they probably can't do a thing because most students there are 18+ and are by definition legal to buy and use mary-j. If it's like where i live, they will use an excuse as to that coffeeshops are to close to pre-schools and bs like that and just close the coffee-shops (Op may know where i'm talking about {in het westen van Brabant in ieder geval}) So maybe the headless chickens in The Heague will reconsider and look at what the USA is doing. Regulation and legalisation isn't everything, but its better then what we have know.
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12/12/2012 08:23 AM
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in school, hell yes, make the rest of the world think our kids are allowed to smoke in school you frikkin idiot.
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They shouldn't be smoking anything in school.
 Quoting: Blue Skies


Would be interesting to see the marks of the habitual smokers!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29551710


Interesting, have seen someone who smoked throughout high school and was told by the principal wouldn't amount to anything because of it.

When he received his DC as his post BSC degree he tore a strip off the principal at a reunion 10 years later for his admonishment.

Funny thing is, he still smokes and is very successful.
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12/12/2012 08:58 PM
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It won't matter. You made sure the police didn't see you anyway cause they would tell school. As if there is any real police control. I sometimes go weeks without seeing a police car and I live like 500feet from the police HQ.
Most of the time you would arrive earlier or maybe skip a class so you could bike to some spot far enough away from any school anyway.

But yeah, does make it suck more if you get caught. Might make it more interesting though.
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12/12/2012 09:12 PM
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So is Amsterdam the shining example with all their pot bars? If its okay, no legalities in sight, of course the kids will try it at school and everywhere else. They dug their own grave about that. Perhaps this is the prelude to the other states in the US who have it legalized.

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Re: Amsterdam to ban smoking pot in school
So is Amsterdam the shining example with all their pot bars? If its okay, no legalities in sight, of course the kids will try it at school and everywhere else. They dug their own grave about that. Perhaps this is the prelude to the other states in the US who have it legalized.

There are always consequences and challenges when you let loose the rules!
 Quoting: Blue Topaz


Yes, there are some very striking consequences to legality, the rates of cannabis use among children there is about half that of the US:

[link to www.drugwarfacts.org]

So legalization, as always, results in decreased use among young people. Same thing happened with alcohol use at the end of Prohibition.

For a balanced view:

[link to www.eastbayexpress.com]

On one hand, it's probably true the Dutch have more cannabis use than they would have had if they hadn't adopted this coffee shop model. But at same time, the data seem to suggest that it doesn't promote escalation into harder drugs and it doesn't promote the heavier levels of cannabis use that you would see in U.S. Their actual level of cannabis use is pretty modest by European standards.


It's a trade-off, but the Dutch were probably thinking it's a fair trade-off, because they initially set out to reduce hard drug use by separating the soft drug market from the hard drug market, and the data in the paper suggests that seems to have worked.


Our system is not working

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

Despite tough anti-drug laws, a new survey shows the U.S. has the highest level of illegal drug use in the world.

The World Health Organization's survey of legal and illegal drug use in 17 countries, including the Netherlands and other countries with less stringent drug laws, shows Americans report the highest level of cocaine and marijuana use.

For example, Americans were four times more likely to report using cocaine in their lifetime than the next closest country, New Zealand (16% vs. 4%),


Medical use has already shown positive results by reducing drunk driving deaths

[link to washingtonindependent.com]

A study released last week by the University of Colorado Denver indicates that the legalization of medical marijuana reduces alcohol consumption and, as a result, alcohol-related traffic deaths without a corresponding increase in deaths caused by stoned drivers.

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