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BREAKING: EU banking union in the making - TODAY!

 
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Page one of this thread should be preserved in the GLP Hall of Fame.

The OP, AC's and squelching of interfering noise was perfectly played.
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EU Banking Supervisor Deal Close but Hurdles Remain
[link to online.wsj.com]

Steinbrueck Slams Merkel for Putting Brakes on Banking Union
[link to www.bloomberg.com]
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Breaks down very easily into the reality that banks loan the money, WANT their principle back, PLUS USURY, and when it doesn't happen because the country DOESN'T have it, they want to be guaranteed that OTHER people will be held responsible/PAY !

Greedy Zionist INSIST on getting their Moonneeeyy !

They WANT their problem to be YOUR problem, IMHO !
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The EU is essentially one large nation state.

Its common military is NATO, there is a common currency, and banking system.
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True, although that NATO part isn't quite that clear (yet).

The only steps left are to sweep away the old inefficient nationalistic structures.
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Is this what you've been told, or is it what you think? I mean the national structures being inefficient?

The military of each state will be removed, with only a shell for civil purposes left. The banking system is finishing a process which eliminates weak banks in weak nations. Once this is done, the largest banks which remain (and private banks as well) will become the de facto "European FED".
 Quoting: 535 1326993


That's pretty much what "they've" been trying to do for a while.

I don't see there's any chance they would succeed though.


This was decided immediately after WWII by the USSR and the USA.
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I don't think either USSR nor the USA as countries / nations have nothing to say about these plans or decisions. They have been made on much higher levels.

Europe's barbarism and constant warring amongst themselves will be tolerated no longer. Only one more conflict to initiate and all the problems will be solved.
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Are you serious?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130142


The short-term military issue hinges on Turkey as it is easily one of the most powerful within the Alliance. NATO itself is more of a cover than anything else. Its true purpose, from the day of creation, was to shore-up and merge military might with American oversight from the West. The same could be said of the Warsaw Pact nations and the USSR from the East. The Warsaw Pact has been removed and NATO has essentially replaced it. Once politically expedient, NATO will be removed and the final step of the plan will come to fruition. One simple logical step at a time. The interesting part: It is the Europeans themselves who will demand it.

The national structures ARE inherently inefficient. That is the purpose behind the consolidation. Logistics and commonality requirements alone will provide a minimum 25% cost savings. It will be done.

The financial super-state is essentially complete. What is left is more semantics than anything else. Each large financial nation-state have been given a portion to control through tacit agreement. Notice where banking is being systematically destroyed and where the locus of power has shifted. As an example, less than 30 years ago, if one would have told Italy or Greece that their monetary policy and national spending priorities would be controlled from Germany, you would have been thought to be insane. This will continue to accelerate.

The USA and USSR were, indeed, controlled by a higher function - but it must be realized that the creation of both nations was purposeful to begin with. The decision to create two diametrically opposed systems of production, the push for a second war so soon after the first, and the removal of the old systems of power were planned by those within these two countries and their European partners. Both systems were found lacking in certain areas. The Americans with civil control, the Soviets with material production. This is the purpose behind the upcoming "New China". Capitalists without a religious component. Communists without a central control of industry. Social Democrats without an environmental component. Freedom of trade without freedom of personal movement. Freedom to defend the nation-state without freedom of self-defense.

As for the last portion... unfortunately. It is the only solution left.

There are too many competing nation-states in close proximity with a record of slaughter and barbarism that spans well over 1000 years. Note that the last European genocide was only 20 years ago. The initial assessment was correct. Further note that the last European genocide happened in the same location in which World War I started. Only 900 km from Munich, 600 km from Thessaloniki - approximately 8000-10,000 Bosnian citizens were massacred. To put this in perspective for Americans, the distance from Corpus Christi to Amarillo Texas is further than the distance from these two cities to the site of the massacre and full blown war.

It has been decided. Europe cannot be trusted.
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.... i reached to the conclusion that it will be everyone for himself when tshtf and BS ends and you'll have to worry only about yourself and loved ones.
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Sweety, THAT time is NOW.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

[link to www.livius.org]
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Great catch OP! Scary stuff taking place!

damned
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damn greece scammers. because of you and your greece scam scheme. the eu is in trouble in the first place.

thank you for burning our money.

you should be banned out of the eu forever.
and thanks for burning our tax money.

FU
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Look at it this way;

The first place to witness western civilization and democracy was in Ancient Greece.

The first place to end western democracy and old western civilization also happens to be Greece. So perhaps those who run the show deliberately chose Greece to subliminally connect the Birth and the Death of Western Civilization.

Consider also that we are being told that the birth place of humanity and first civilizations located in Middle East, more specifically around Mesopotamia that is the area where Modern Iraq, Turkey, Iran meets.

And all the major religion of world that is the (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) anticipate that Middle East to turn into mess and greatest battle humanity ever have witnessed will be taking place there, before world will witness peace and harmony.

Could the ongoing crisis and wars in Middle-East specifically that of Iraq and Iran be perhaps another subliminal suggestion that connects the The dying of an old civilization and birthing of the new civilization from the ashes of the old??...
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.... i reached to the conclusion that it will be everyone for himself when tshtf and BS ends and you'll have to worry only about yourself and loved ones.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


Sweety, THAT time is NOW.
 Quoting: pool


True, time for prepping is now, dunno if someone can ever be totally prepared for what is coming. Vast majority is ignorant and when you try to inform them with some facts about the situation they give you that weird stare.
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This situation almost makes me think this whole financial/banking crisis was created on purpose, so they can now finish their plan to slowly step by step take away the sovereignty of the individual EU countries in order to create 1 supercountry.
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Former Soviet Dissident Warns For EU Dictatorship
[link to www.brusselsjournal.com]
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wow, great interview. all European people should read it. but I'm afraid not many would understand what he speaks about lolsign

also explains why there are bolshevik, ex-communist (or rather still communist) leaders on top off major EU institutions
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Great interview is right.

PB:But all these countries that joined the European Union did so voluntarily.

VB: No, they did not. Look at Denmark which voted against the Maastricht treaty twice. Look at Ireland [which voted against the Nice treaty]. Look at many other countries, they are under enormous pressure. It is almost blackmail. Switzerland was forced to vote five times in a referendum. All five times they have rejected it, but who knows what will happen the sixth time, the seventh time. It is always the same thing. It is a trick for idiots. The people have to vote in referendums until the people vote the way that is wanted. Then they have to stop voting. Why stop? Let us continue voting. The European Union is what Americans would call a shotgun marriage.

[link to www.brusselsjournal.com]

And, what a plan indeed.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

[link to www.livius.org]
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bump the communists and EUSSR to explosion
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I think it's about time we get organized.

In fact I've been thinking about it for a long time, that it's a huge problem there's so little direct communication between the different European nations. It appears to have a lot to do with the language barrier - especially French and also German have been very unwilling to learn English, which makes it virtually impossible to even get a hold of what people in those countries are thinking about all this, or to exchange thoughts and opinions with them. I suppose that's changing thanks to the younger generations, but at least for myself I can say that I still have lots more online friends from the US and Canada than from Europe!

We need a place to meet and get discussions going.

Klango, perhaps..?
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Great idea indeed.

If I may add, I think that such an organization should also remain non-political. Because there are many eu-sceptic radical or not so radical national political parties in the various countries, and they do have some sort of connections between them, and while there might be some similarities, they still operate along different political ideas.
so I would guess some civil communication forum would be the best, also as OP suggested
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Sweden not a fan of the union too. Glad that at least some nations are not fond of this plan.

Sweden to stay outside, might not block EU bank union
[link to uk.finance.yahoo.com]
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Thanks for letting me know the Swedes want out too.

I know for fact that Ireland and the Netherlands voted against the European Constitution (like many countries in the EU). The majority of our people wanted out of the European Union didn't want the EURO instead of our original more stable currency and sure didn't want to be in the EU in the first place.
Despite all that, they made it seem in the local media as if there were not enough countries against it.
They the politicians said they "knew best" and were doing only what was inevitable and necessary.

But they listened to us.... we didn't get the European Constitution, they named it the Lisbon treaty and signed it.
After all, changing the name was our main concern.

Furthermore: ever since brussels became our "capital" whenever there are laws .. the local government says "they had to because Brussels told them ..." and Brussels claims its a local decision which they only give guidelines for.

I guess,
all member states are equal,
but some member states are more equal than others.

As a EU citizen I can say ... we have no say ...
only a small group benefits playing boss and lining their pockets.... Currently we have over 1.1 million people here living below poverty. In total we have around 16 million people in the Netherlands. That is 1 in every 15 people...
we never had that prior to the EU or the EURO.

The only think people from the EU should unite in is:
- ending this nightmare, transform back into the self-sufficient countries that we used to be,
- put that dead-horse-money-pit out of its misery.
- and hold all politicians and bankers that created this money leeching monster accountable

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Sweden not a fan of the union too. Glad that at least some nations are not fond of this plan.

Sweden to stay outside, might not block EU bank union
[link to uk.finance.yahoo.com]
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Thanks for letting me know the Swedes want out too.

I know for fact that Ireland and the Netherlands voted against the European Constitution (like many countries in the EU). The majority of our people wanted out of the European Union didn't want the EURO instead of our original more stable currency and sure didn't want to be in the EU in the first place.
Despite all that, they made it seem in the local media as if there were not enough countries against it.
They the politicians said they "knew best" and were doing only what was inevitable and necessary.

But they listened to us.... we didn't get the European Constitution, they named it the Lisbon treaty and signed it.
After all, changing the name was our main concern.

Furthermore: ever since brussels became our "capital" whenever there are laws .. the local government says "they had to because Brussels told them ..." and Brussels claims its a local decision which they only give guidelines for.

I guess,
all member states are equal,
but some member states are more equal than others.

As a EU citizen I can say ... we have no say ...
only a small group benefits playing boss and lining their pockets.... Currently we have over 1.1 million people here living below poverty. In total we have around 16 million people in the Netherlands. That is 1 in every 15 people...
we never had that prior to the EU or the EURO.

The only think people from the EU should unite in is:
- ending this nightmare, transform back into the self-sufficient countries that we used to be,
- put that dead-horse-money-pit out of its misery.
- and hold all politicians and bankers that created this money leeching monster accountable
 Quoting: Aldabaran08


Great post and view Aldabaran08, nobody listens to the citizens indeed. EU as a whole is not a bad idea imo as long as it doesn't strip the nations from their national sovereignty, but the common currency has to be one of the most stupid ideas in world economy ever, there is no chance that they didn't know that this experiment wouldn't work, actually there are reports that many economists had disagreements at that time, but nobody listened.

It's the same all over Europe, only the few and the big corporations benefited by the euro currency and some fools that saw a chance for easier access to loans. MSM will tell you otherwise but here in Greece quality of life has fallen 60% in just 8 years since we got into the euro and that number is before the crisis. Now Greeks got back to 1992 levels in both salaries and quality of life. It's fucked up and doesn't seem to end.

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USA has been suffering since 1913... when they formed Federal Reserve...
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And Europeans had better take heart to the evident economic destruction of the once powerful USA once the British Empire's International Bankers got that virus injected into the US Gov, that virus called the Federal Reserve Bank.
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US, EU looking at world’s biggest free trade pact for much-needed economic boost
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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Boy. If that isn't right out of the 1984 play book, I don't know what is!

An economic disaster THEY created so that when it came time for all of the nations to hand over their sovereignty, the people would just think, "Oh... it's for the good of the economy."

It's like reducing the chocolate ration one week, then waiting a few weeks before telling us that it was actually an increase in our chocolate ration.

wtf
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Oh, Free Trade.. yepper, wonderful thing that Free Trade 'pacts' (or bribes).. so that international corporations can rape, pillage, and plunder the natives of a Nation with immunity because those native's Governments refuse to hold then in bars-of-steel for selling shoddy, lethal crap as merchandise.

Free Trade is the Pirates Call to prey upon the sorry assed Land Lubbers, after bribing the Land Lubber's "leaders" to betray the Land Lubbers. All to the power of the Beast of the Sea.
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"Just pisses me off seeing these self-proclaimed imperators doing whatever they want, throwing around hollow words about security and co-operation."

+1
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And so many thought, still think, the Holy Roman Empire and the British Empires are long gone.

That is so far away from the Truth it is overwhelming.
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Mixing all Europeans into one culture and country is only half the problem.

Importing millions of muzzies is a totally different league.
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NWO establishment in final stages!
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So, they are making an EU banking union, and in the end they will make the United States (ex-nation countries) of Europe, and all of this because of the problems of Greece. Can you believe that shit? They were planning all these for decades now and I find it hard to believe that they'll not succeed. At the same time Putin is making a union with ex-USSR members. I think in the end they will establish a global governance like the ex-Prime Minister of Greece (and major responsible for the crisis), George Papandreou was shouting for.

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Once again I say,, this is all part of the endtimes plan.
We are VERY close to the whole world economy falling and the the A/C will take over..
If Jesus is Not your Lord and Savior then You better get it done now.. This is Very soon to happen..
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omfg

Can't believe this is actually happening!

Unbelievable! Like a waking nightmare
What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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scary europe bank thingamajig....bah humbug
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Mixing all Europeans into one culture and country is only half the problem.

Importing millions of muzzies is a totally different league.
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ahhh
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THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED
THE REVOLUTION WILL BE LIVE!

I thought when they tried to push the euro-constitution, the country would explode, but they just changed a few words and passed it without a referendum and the sheople followed.
Sure, there is discontent, but just in words...

I am very disappointed in humanity, they applaud the bravery's of war, but turn away when fascism stares them in the face, yuk!

I feel ashamed every time I think of the freedom fighters/partisans of WWII and what they fought for. Had they only known how we sold them out..

Sure, let's talk some more...
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Well said, although I don't quite share the dark tone of how you see the current situation.

There's lots of hope in the air right now. The masses are lost, but that was always expected - they will follow those who lead, and by "leading" I mean those who "create a common opinion of any particular matter by maintaining and communicating a mindset leading into that opinion". For a long time, the leading mindset has been that of fear and misinformation. When that's changed (which is happening as we're talking) then is the time when the masses are ready to update their view of the reality.

This means lots of work now for all those who have been preparing for it for all of this time. People need new leaders, capable of leading without controlling and manipulating, from heart and from soul and from clear mind/spirit. There are many of them around now, having gone through years of hard training to overcome the last temptations of ego which would prevent them from doing their job.

The time to activate is now, whatever that means to each of you. For me the first assignment is to initiate conversations like this, leading to creation of new connections and networks of people. The first actual goal is to get together a system which allows the people of all nations to be heard in a much more efficient way than these days. When that's done, we can then start putting together and agreeing upon some basic principles of what the point of this organization is, how it works, what are the most important issues to be taken care of so all kinds of suffering ends, etc. There's a lot to do and it's time to start the next phase of this project now, which means going at least semi-public like I'm doing now.

It's wise to take caution from now on up until TPTB are out of control of the Internet and all the other common communications systems. They love making those network charts of who knows who, and use them to target the key individuals. I'm not saying they would very easily do anything to anyone, but it's not impossible either. So, for now, either caution or going as public as possible are good ways to avoid unnecessary troubles.

I trust Trin fully, but especially since traffic to the GLP is not encrypted, this is most definitely one of the top targets of those willing to pry on what's going on and how it might be a problem for them. I'm familiar with some of gear and tactics they use, and I can assure you they can easily trace anyone using this forum without at least some kind of proxy, which is hard, because it's not possible to use the forum via the Tor system - the exit nodes appear to be pretty much permanently banned. Those with the technical understanding can take a look at this brochure to get an understanding of the equipment used and what it's capable of:

[link to www.mh-service.de]

[link to www.cellebrite.com]

So my message is: it's time to start, and one way to do it is to start networking now, creating a secure system for communicating and backup channels which can be used if the Net goes down. In fact, here's a message from a colleague personality of mine suggesting some solutions to just that:

Thread: Global and local backup communication channels

So much to do, so little time. Well, at least the waiting is finally over! =)
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(I was supposed to link you guys one specific brochure of some really cool network interception systems, but the site is currently down. That's why I'm talking about "a brochure" above. Will throw you a link as soon as the site is back online. Maybe they got intercepted. ;D)
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Great post and view Aldabaran08, nobody listens to the citizens indeed. EU as a whole is not a bad idea imo as long as it doesn't strip the nations from their national sovereignty, but the common currency has to be one of the most stupid ideas in world economy ever, there is no chance that they didn't know that this experiment wouldn't work, actually there are reports that many economists had disagreements at that time, but nobody listened.

It's the same all over Europe, only the few and the big corporations benefited by the euro currency and some fools that saw a chance for easier access to loans. MSM will tell you otherwise but here in Greece quality of life has fallen 60% in just 8 years since we got into the euro and that number is before the crisis. Now Greeks got back to 1992 levels in both salaries and quality of life. It's fucked up and doesn't seem to end.
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Great post from you as well!

+1!
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Look at it this way;

The first place to witness western civilization and democracy was in Ancient Greece.

The first place to end western democracy and old western civilization also happens to be Greece. So perhaps those who run the show deliberately chose Greece to subliminally connect the Birth and the Death of Western Civilization.

Consider also that we are being told that the birth place of humanity and first civilizations located in Middle East, more specifically around Mesopotamia that is the area where Modern Iraq, Turkey, Iran meets.

And all the major religion of world that is the (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) anticipate that Middle East to turn into mess and greatest battle humanity ever have witnessed will be taking place there, before world will witness peace and harmony.

Could the ongoing crisis and wars in Middle-East specifically that of Iraq and Iran be perhaps another subliminal suggestion that connects the The dying of an old civilization and birthing of the new civilization from the ashes of the old??...
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Nice theory, sounds very possible!
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I think it's about time we get organized.

In fact I've been thinking about it for a long time, that it's a huge problem there's so little direct communication between the different European nations. It appears to have a lot to do with the language barrier - especially French and also German have been very unwilling to learn English, which makes it virtually impossible to even get a hold of what people in those countries are thinking about all this, or to exchange thoughts and opinions with them. I suppose that's changing thanks to the younger generations, but at least for myself I can say that I still have lots more online friends from the US and Canada than from Europe!

We need a place to meet and get discussions going.

Klango, perhaps..?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130142


Great idea indeed.

If I may add, I think that such an organization should also remain non-political. Because there are many eu-sceptic radical or not so radical national political parties in the various countries, and they do have some sort of connections between them, and while there might be some similarities, they still operate along different political ideas.
so I would guess some civil communication forum would be the best, also as OP suggested
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Absolutely, it must be something that's totally outside the scope of the existing structures and belief systems - such as political parties etc.

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