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PEOPLE DON'T DIE AND COME BACK TO TELL THEIR FRIENDS ABOUT HEAVEN OR HELL

 
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Abraham was a pagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10235455


Abraham was a mainline Jew and not a pagan/idolator
 Quoting: Salt


a jew? really?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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what about the appearance of Moses and ELijah during Messiah's transition?

Matthew 17:13

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

*

So did their judgment take place already?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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many many nde's save people who would not otherwise be saved... the best ones are from former atheists...

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it does seem like a good idea to keep in mind that it all could be deception, but it does not seem likely that it is in fact all deception...

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What about the cases where they come back and know information about what happened while they were dead that could not possibly have known?

here is just one example of a boy that knew about his unborn sister.


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The overly religious adults embellished the story to fit their belief system.
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this really goes into what the ultimate purpose of this reality is: a place to separate wheat from weeds...

when an experience draws someone closer to God and transforms someone into a more harmonious loving energy with the Divine, it seems self-evident that it is a good encounter...

it must be consistent, but many are...

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What about the cases where they come back and know information about what happened while they were dead that could not possibly have known?

here is just one example of a boy that knew about his unborn sister.


 Quoting: Machine42


The overly religious adults embellished the story to fit their belief system.
 Quoting: Dr.Ricks


very poor example...

:)
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When I died I everything went quiet and it was black. Nothing to see,

Maybe I wasn't dead long enough who knows.
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If you died you wouldn't be here typing on GLP. You don't die until you die. A heartbeat stopping briefly and things like that is not dying. It's become a cliche. And a boring one. To say "I was clinically dead". No...you weren't. If you were dead, they'd have rolled you into the morgue.
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much better examples:

Ian McCormack - NDE - former atheist - near death experience

[link to www.youtube.com]

or

Howard Storm (Part 1 of 5) former atheist - near death experience (NDE) conversion

[link to www.youtube.com]
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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I dis agree OP- the word of God is filled with confirmations of those who have visitations from the Lord---most of them who see heaven and hell dont die (some do)- they are visited, shown heaven and hell and warned that Jesus will rapture His Bride any moment. I have met and read of many. I too have had some revelation.

One thing I see that tells me we are in the last days is false prophets that arise and misleed those who are destined for life. Many of these are sent to hell because they refused to repent even when the Lord reached out to them. How sad it would be for a person to oppose God but to continue on into judgement. But I see them going on everyday, their fruits are evident.

Notice I have not posted a scripture here. I will let the Lord Jesus do that-He often gives lots of scripture. Jesus loves His Word, we humans are so frail, we misinterpret it and then take the stage like we know it.
 Quoting: WalkerTalker2


its good to disagree but the thread is not about who got visitations from the the lord..its about teachers and preachers pushing these new teachings that people died and come back from the white light.

show me this claim from scriptures
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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much better examples:

Ian McCormack - NDE - former atheist - near death experience

[link to www.youtube.com]

or

Howard Storm (Part 1 of 5) former atheist - near death experience (NDE) conversion

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19089565


these two would put the fear of God in most people...

the description of hell is often repeated: dark terrifying place w no light...

their conversion would also bring a tear to most people...

they seem divinely inspired to me...

:)
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what about the appearance of Moses and ELijah during Messiah's transition?

Matthew 17:13

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

*

So did their judgment take place already?
 Quoting: Shamar


you are not understanding the trend here shamar..that has nothing to do with this.read the thread again..

you have people claiming that they died and saw a light and they saw jesus and he sent them back to tell their loved ones this and that.


You read the scriptures you should have a better view on this

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/12/2012 11:44 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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I dis agree OP- the word of God is filled with confirmations of those who have visitations from the Lord---most of them who see heaven and hell dont die (some do)- they are visited, shown heaven and hell and warned that Jesus will rapture His Bride any moment. I have met and read of many. I too have had some revelation.

One thing I see that tells me we are in the last days is false prophets that arise and misleed those who are destined for life. Many of these are sent to hell because they refused to repent even when the Lord reached out to them. How sad it would be for a person to oppose God but to continue on into judgement. But I see them going on everyday, their fruits are evident.

Notice I have not posted a scripture here. I will let the Lord Jesus do that-He often gives lots of scripture. Jesus loves His Word, we humans are so frail, we misinterpret it and then take the stage like we know it.
 Quoting: WalkerTalker2


its good to disagree but the thread is not about who got visitations from the the lord..its about teachers and preachers pushing these new teachings that people died and come back from the white light.

show me this claim from scriptures
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


there are many phenomenon we experience or that occur here that the bible does not cover...

skeletons of giants (very scant info--clearly more might exist), ufos, abductions, reptilians and greys... the occult... scant info at best, yet this reality is full of these experiences...

:)
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much better examples:

Ian McCormack - NDE - former atheist - near death experience

[link to www.youtube.com]

or

Howard Storm (Part 1 of 5) former atheist - near death experience (NDE) conversion

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19089565


these two would put the fear of God in most people...

the description of hell is often repeated: dark terrifying place w no light...

their conversion would also bring a tear to most people...

they seem divinely inspired to me...

:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19089565


I am glad you said "they seem"
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I dis agree OP- the word of God is filled with confirmations of those who have visitations from the Lord---most of them who see heaven and hell dont die (some do)- they are visited, shown heaven and hell and warned that Jesus will rapture His Bride any moment. I have met and read of many. I too have had some revelation.

One thing I see that tells me we are in the last days is false prophets that arise and misleed those who are destined for life. Many of these are sent to hell because they refused to repent even when the Lord reached out to them. How sad it would be for a person to oppose God but to continue on into judgement. But I see them going on everyday, their fruits are evident.

Notice I have not posted a scripture here. I will let the Lord Jesus do that-He often gives lots of scripture. Jesus loves His Word, we humans are so frail, we misinterpret it and then take the stage like we know it.
 Quoting: WalkerTalker2


its good to disagree but the thread is not about who got visitations from the the lord..its about teachers and preachers pushing these new teachings that people died and come back from the white light.

show me this claim from scriptures
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


there are many phenomenon we experience or that occur here that the bible does not cover...

skeletons of giants (very scant info--clearly more might exist), ufos, abductions, reptilians and greys... the occult... scant info at best, yet this reality is full of these experiences...

:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19089565

like I said we dealing with biblical facts and if you can show me what you opposed to the scripture i posted then I will agre with you
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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billions of galaxies, hubble images, other planets, the bible does not cover everything nor can it...

it is a guideline... to put people on the right path... it does not deny that these other things exist and in fact often it implies they do...

:)
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Abraham was a pagan.
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Abraham was a mainline Jew and not a pagan/idolator
 Quoting: Salt


a jew? really?
 Quoting: Shamar


good one shamar lol ...most people don't understand what is a judean or a hebrew or jewish
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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it seems like if it does not contradict scripture and it leads people to the same narrow path as is the intent of the bible, it is divinely inspired...

(I usually have words like "usually" or "seems" because it is difficult to be sure... but that does not mean it is a sin to consider these other experiences)

:)
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it seems like if it does not contradict scripture and it leads people to the same narrow path as is the intent of the bible, it is divinely inspired...

(I usually have words like "usually" or "seems" because it is difficult to be sure... but that does not mean it is a sin to consider these other experiences)

:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19089565

that is fair
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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the real question to me is why are some blessed with encounters that give them certainty and others not?

this is likely due to the need for a humble energetic of faith in order to harmonize w heaven... IMO...

:)
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anyway, nice thread idea OP--it is something I think about a lot...

cheers!

:)
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anyway, nice thread idea OP--it is something I think about a lot...

cheers!

:)
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ok have a great day
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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the real question to me is why are some blessed with encounters that give them certainty and others not?

this is likely due to the need for a humble energetic of faith in order to harmonize w heaven... IMO...

:)
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that is correct..you already know the answer
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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If you have Netflix, I recommend watching the documentary "Afterlife".
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You guys are so wrong about this, I don't even know what to say or where to begin.

I know people that have had very real NDE's. I have family members that have been visited by dead loved ones right after they died and also in dreams.

The bible tells us that after Jesus died, all who believe in Him would be with Him in paradise that very day.

There is so much.....don't even know where to begin.

"to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"

There is a noticeable lack of peace and joy in those who don't believe this. I"m not trying to offend, but trying to offer the truth.

Heaven and Hell are real and when we die, we go to one or the other. There is no disputing this fact.
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If you have Netflix, I recommend watching the documentary "Afterlife".
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if you have a bible I strongly recommend you read it
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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You guys are so wrong about this, I don't even know what to say or where to begin.

I know people that have had very real NDE's. I have family members that have been visited by dead loved ones right after they died and also in dreams.

The bible tells us that after Jesus died, all who believe in Him would be with Him in paradise that very day.

There is so much.....don't even know where to begin.

"to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"

There is a noticeable lack of peace and joy in those who don't believe this. I"m not trying to offend, but trying to offer the truth.

Heaven and Hell are real and when we die, we go to one or the other. There is no disputing this fact.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Again think before you talk read the thread again. please before you talk.

NDE I addressed these cases where people had visitations and was conselled to change their lives...in reality they never died.. this is what this thread is about

NOBODY VISITS NOBODY FROM THE DEAD THEY WERE DECEPTIVE SPIRITS IMPERSONATING LOVED ONES

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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No matter what your opinion is, if you haven't experienced it, you won't believe. I fully understand your point of view. Please be respectful of others. Your world view, spiritual view, or any other view comes from your unique perspective. Have a nice day.
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No matter what your opinion is, if you haven't experienced it, you won't believe. I fully understand your point of view. Please be respectful of others. Your world view, spiritual view, or any other view comes from your unique perspective. Have a nice day.
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What you saying it is disrespect to teach the word of truth.I am not, if others feel disrespected its because they having a hard time giving up that paganistic belief and is looking at it as a judgement
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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You guys are so wrong about this, I don't even know what to say or where to begin.

I know people that have had very real NDE's. I have family members that have been visited by dead loved ones right after they died and also in dreams.

The bible tells us that after Jesus died, all who believe in Him would be with Him in paradise that very day.

There is so much.....don't even know where to begin.

"to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"

There is a noticeable lack of peace and joy in those who don't believe this. I"m not trying to offend, but trying to offer the truth.

Heaven and Hell are real and when we die, we go to one or the other. There is no disputing this fact.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Again think before you talk read the thread again. please before you talk.

NDE I addressed these cases where people had visitations and was conselled to change their lives...in reality they never died.. this is what this thread is about

NOBODY VISITS NOBODY FROM THE DEAD THEY WERE DECEPTIVE SPIRITS IMPERSONATING LOVED ONES
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Yes, they did die, and came back because flesh and blood can't enter into heaven. Their soul left their body and visited the spiritual realm.

There have been many documented cases of people who were dead for hours, stiff and in the morgue and came back and told about what happened and where they went.

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