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PEOPLE DON'T DIE AND COME BACK TO TELL THEIR FRIENDS ABOUT HEAVEN OR HELL

 
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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You guys are so wrong about this, I don't even know what to say or where to begin.

I know people that have had very real NDE's. I have family members that have been visited by dead loved ones right after they died and also in dreams.

The bible tells us that after Jesus died, all who believe in Him would be with Him in paradise that very day.

There is so much.....don't even know where to begin.

"to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"

There is a noticeable lack of peace and joy in those who don't believe this. I"m not trying to offend, but trying to offer the truth.

Heaven and Hell are real and when we die, we go to one or the other. There is no disputing this fact.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Again think before you talk read the thread again. please before you talk.

NDE I addressed these cases where people had visitations and was conselled to change their lives...in reality they never died.. this is what this thread is about

NOBODY VISITS NOBODY FROM THE DEAD THEY WERE DECEPTIVE SPIRITS IMPERSONATING LOVED ONES
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Yes, they did die, and came back because flesh and blood can't enter into heaven. Their soul left their body and visited the spiritual realm.

There have been many documented cases of people who were dead for hours, stiff and in the morgue and came back and told about what happened and where they went.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


you can only die once it is biblical..with the exception of those who messiah raised.

that phenomena is like that drug they are messing with for year from haiti..where people appear clinically dead no heart beat no movement but are alive.

That is the same phenomenon

I mean come on now! if a body starts to decay and then the person comes back it will make sense what you are saying and then i WILL SAY THE BIBLE IS WRONG

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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You guys are so wrong about this, I don't even know what to say or where to begin.

I know people that have had very real NDE's. I have family members that have been visited by dead loved ones right after they died and also in dreams.

The bible tells us that after Jesus died, all who believe in Him would be with Him in paradise that very day.

There is so much.....don't even know where to begin.

"to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"

There is a noticeable lack of peace and joy in those who don't believe this. I"m not trying to offend, but trying to offer the truth.

Heaven and Hell are real and when we die, we go to one or the other. There is no disputing this fact.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Again think before you talk read the thread again. please before you talk.

NDE I addressed these cases where people had visitations and was conselled to change their lives...in reality they never died.. this is what this thread is about

NOBODY VISITS NOBODY FROM THE DEAD THEY WERE DECEPTIVE SPIRITS IMPERSONATING LOVED ONES
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Yes, they did die, and came back because flesh and blood can't enter into heaven. Their soul left their body and visited the spiritual realm.

There have been many documented cases of people who were dead for hours, stiff and in the morgue and came back and told about what happened and where they went.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


you can only die once it is biblical..with the exception of those who messiah raised.

that phenomena is like that drug they are messing with for year from haiti..where people appear clinically dead no heart beat no movement but are alive.

That is the same phenomenon
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It's not Neim, you're wrong about this. Please pray about it.
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Again think before you talk read the thread again. please before you talk.

NDE I addressed these cases where people had visitations and was conselled to change their lives...in reality they never died.. this is what this thread is about

NOBODY VISITS NOBODY FROM THE DEAD THEY WERE DECEPTIVE SPIRITS IMPERSONATING LOVED ONES
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Yes, they did die, and came back because flesh and blood can't enter into heaven. Their soul left their body and visited the spiritual realm.

There have been many documented cases of people who were dead for hours, stiff and in the morgue and came back and told about what happened and where they went.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


you can only die once it is biblical..with the exception of those who messiah raised.

that phenomena is like that drug they are messing with for year from haiti..where people appear clinically dead no heart beat no movement but are alive.

That is the same phenomenon
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It's not Neim, you're wrong about this. Please pray about it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Why it is you always want people to pray so they can get your misunderstanding?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Hi OP, I will let the ones who have seen heaven quote passages. They do, almost every one of them has many passages that Jesus gives them as citation during their visit to heaven and hell.

So, scripture passges are abundently cited. Go see for yourself.....I look them up often- I am very satisfied it is the Lord and not deception.

....just sayin'

I have a nasty cold and need to go to work, but tonight I will post a few links,

may God bless and help us, all who fear Him.
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Yes, they did die, and came back because flesh and blood can't enter into heaven. Their soul left their body and visited the spiritual realm.

There have been many documented cases of people who were dead for hours, stiff and in the morgue and came back and told about what happened and where they went.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


you can only die once it is biblical..with the exception of those who messiah raised.

that phenomena is like that drug they are messing with for year from haiti..where people appear clinically dead no heart beat no movement but are alive.

That is the same phenomenon
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It's not Neim, you're wrong about this. Please pray about it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Why it is you always want people to pray so they can get your misunderstanding?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Pray and He will tell you the truth. You're wrong about this Neim. I love you but you're wrong, and steering people away from the truth.

Go into a 3 day fasting and prayer session and you will get the answer.

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Hi OP, I will let the ones who have seen heaven quote passages. They do, almost every one of them has many passages that Jesus gives them as citation during their visit to heaven and hell.

So, scripture passges are abundently cited. Go see for yourself.....I look them up often- I am very satisfied it is the Lord and not deception.

....just sayin'

I have a nasty cold and need to go to work, but tonight I will post a few links,

may God bless and help us, all who fear Him.
 Quoting: WalkerTalker2


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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what about the appearance of Moses and ELijah during Messiah's transition?

Matthew 17:13

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

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So did their judgment take place already?
 Quoting: Shamar


you are not understanding the trend here shamar..that has nothing to do with this.read the thread again..

you have people claiming that they died and saw a light and they saw jesus and he sent them back to tell their loved ones this and that.


You read the scriptures you should have a better view on this
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I understand the events are two different things, but I think the concept is the same. It is being claimed that when we die, we sleep and there is nothing more for us until judgment day. I think that Matthew 17:13 says otherwise.

That's my only point. Not defending stories of people who claim to have died -- seen Jesus or angels or anything else, and then came back to tell about it.
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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They don't come back as ghost either
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nope the ghosts are mimicking spirits
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Don't you hate it when ghosts pretend to be spirits? dumbass meds koolaid
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what about the appearance of Moses and ELijah during Messiah's transition?

Matthew 17:13

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

*

So did their judgment take place already?
 Quoting: Shamar


you are not understanding the trend here shamar..that has nothing to do with this.read the thread again..

you have people claiming that they died and saw a light and they saw jesus and he sent them back to tell their loved ones this and that.


You read the scriptures you should have a better view on this
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I understand the events are two different things, but I think the concept is the same. It is being claimed that when we die, we sleep and there is nothing more for us until judgment day. I think that Matthew 17:13 says otherwise.

That's my only point. Not defending stories of people who claim to have died -- seen Jesus or angels or anything else, and then came back to tell about it.
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the patriarchs of old were used in different ways because these men were very pure instruments before the father.So we will see the power of the father as he exhibits to us the things we will soon come into if we strive to be the perfect son or daughter.

Baruch ezra jeremiah to name a few all had crazy and extreme experiences
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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What about Lazarus? What about the girl raised from the dead by Messiah? What about when Messiah resurrected the widow's son at Nain?

What about Elisha raising the Shunammite's son? and Elijah resurrected the son of Zarephath's widow? What about Peter raising Dorcas?

What about the dead man that came back to life when he touches Elisha's bones?

What about Peter raising a female disciple named Tabitha from the dead? And Paul raising Eutychus from the dead?

Surely, we cannot quote the scripture "we are appointed once to die and after that the judgment" across the board.
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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What about Lazarus? What about the girl raised from the dead by Messiah? What about when Messiah resurrected the widow's son at Nain?

What about Elisha raising the Shunammite's son? and Elijah resurrected the son of Zarephath's widow? What about Peter raising Dorcas?

What about the dead man that came back to life when he touches Elisha's bones?

What about Peter raising a female disciple named Tabitha from the dead? And Paul raising Eutychus from the dead?

Surely, we cannot quote the scripture "we are appointed once to die and after that the judgment" across the board.
 Quoting: Shamar


that was a miracle but he was decaying so we know that was the power of the father through messiah..i am not disputing that and you already said what we discussing so don't go back to this

Most of these modern cases are not like this and the scriptures said this not my words hebrew chapter 9:27


you tell me who touched those people at the hospitals was there an apostle around..because they were the only ones the father promised to have the power to raise the dead

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Thank you OP for preaching the truth. I hope littestar reads this as he beleives that he came back from the dead.

I love you OP and I will have you in my prayers.
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Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Thank you OP for preaching the truth. I hope littestar reads this as he beleives that he came back from the dead.

I love you OP and I will have you in my prayers.
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thank you love you too
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Again think before you talk read the thread again. please before you talk.

NDE I addressed these cases where people had visitations and was conselled to change their lives...in reality they never died.. this is what this thread is about

NOBODY VISITS NOBODY FROM THE DEAD THEY WERE DECEPTIVE SPIRITS IMPERSONATING LOVED ONES
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Yes, they did die, and came back because flesh and blood can't enter into heaven. Their soul left their body and visited the spiritual realm.

There have been many documented cases of people who were dead for hours, stiff and in the morgue and came back and told about what happened and where they went.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


you can only die once it is biblical..with the exception of those who messiah raised.

that phenomena is like that drug they are messing with for year from haiti..where people appear clinically dead no heart beat no movement but are alive.

That is the same phenomenon
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It's not Neim, you're wrong about this. Please pray about it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


lisa lisa this time you are wrong people do not die and come back to this earth. show us scripture where this has happened. the only thing we have to go on is the Bible, it is our blueprint. I find noone in the Bible that talks about their experience when they died.
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What about the cases where they come back and know information about what happened while they were dead that could not possibly have known?

here is just one example of a boy that knew about his unborn sister.


 Quoting: Machine42


The overly religious adults embellished the story to fit their belief system.
 Quoting: Dr.Ricks


You know them or something? This is just one example buddy.

Hundreds of examples, many came back with info that could not be explained. One guy died was above his hospital bed and told the story of exactly everything everyone did while he was dead. Unexplainable


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Yes, they did die, and came back because flesh and blood can't enter into heaven. Their soul left their body and visited the spiritual realm.

There have been many documented cases of people who were dead for hours, stiff and in the morgue and came back and told about what happened and where they went.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


you can only die once it is biblical..with the exception of those who messiah raised.

that phenomena is like that drug they are messing with for year from haiti..where people appear clinically dead no heart beat no movement but are alive.

That is the same phenomenon
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It's not Neim, you're wrong about this. Please pray about it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


lisa lisa this time you are wrong people do not die and come back to this earth. show us scripture where this has happened. the only thing we have to go on is the Bible, it is our blueprint. I find noone in the Bible that talks about their experience when they died.
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Shamar just posted a bunch of scriptures above. Also, many books in the NT Apocrypha has many testimonies. You can call it NDE, you can call it taken up by the spirit, many different names for the same thing.

Many have seen the "other realms".......many.
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you can only die once it is biblical..with the exception of those who messiah raised.

that phenomena is like that drug they are messing with for year from haiti..where people appear clinically dead no heart beat no movement but are alive.

That is the same phenomenon
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It's not Neim, you're wrong about this. Please pray about it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


lisa lisa this time you are wrong people do not die and come back to this earth. show us scripture where this has happened. the only thing we have to go on is the Bible, it is our blueprint. I find noone in the Bible that talks about their experience when they died.
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Shamar just posted a bunch of scriptures above. Also, many books in the NT Apocrypha has many testimonies. You can call it NDE, you can call it taken up by the spirit, many different names for the same thing.

Many have seen the "other realms".......many.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

yes we know what shamar posted and they were all ordained apostles who raised the dead like christ and it has nothing to do with what we are addressing..

So don't use shamr as a prop she does not agree with your corrupt teaching..
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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What about Lazarus? What about the girl raised from the dead by Messiah? What about when Messiah resurrected the widow's son at Nain?

What about Elisha raising the Shunammite's son? and Elijah resurrected the son of Zarephath's widow? What about Peter raising Dorcas?

What about the dead man that came back to life when he touches Elisha's bones?

What about Peter raising a female disciple named Tabitha from the dead? And Paul raising Eutychus from the dead?

Surely, we cannot quote the scripture "we are appointed once to die and after that the judgment" across the board.
 Quoting: Shamar


that was a miracle but he was decaying so we know that was the power of the father through messiah..i am not disputing that and you already said what we discussing so don't go back to this

Most of these modern cases are not like this and the scriptures said this not my words hebrew chapter 9:27


you tell me who touched those people at the hospitals was there an apostle around..because they were the only ones the father promised to have the power to raise the dead
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


There is more than one reference in my post of resurrection.


And, again, I am not defending modern day stories, my point is that we can't use that one scripture across the board, because clearly there are many people who have died and are resurrected, only to die again. Look at all the people who were resurrected at Messiah's crucifixion.

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Whatever, you're free to believe whatever you like......even if it's wrong.

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So then you're saying Jesus was a fraud because he didn't raise Lazareth from the dead, because coming back from the dead contradicts scripture.

hohum
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never said that.. that was another scenario...

That was the example of the resurrection being shown to us by the messiah that he is the life and he has the athority to raise it up again these new claims today are not resurections

Lazarus body was decaying! do you want to continue this ?
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Oh, okay.

I just know religion makes many exceptions, special cases, scenarios and examples.

It probably comes with a contract and fine print to.

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What about Lazarus? What about the girl raised from the dead by Messiah? What about when Messiah resurrected the widow's son at Nain?

What about Elisha raising the Shunammite's son? and Elijah resurrected the son of Zarephath's widow? What about Peter raising Dorcas?

What about the dead man that came back to life when he touches Elisha's bones?

What about Peter raising a female disciple named Tabitha from the dead? And Paul raising Eutychus from the dead?

Surely, we cannot quote the scripture "we are appointed once to die and after that the judgment" across the board.
 Quoting: Shamar


that was a miracle but he was decaying so we know that was the power of the father through messiah..i am not disputing that and you already said what we discussing so don't go back to this

Most of these modern cases are not like this and the scriptures said this not my words hebrew chapter 9:27


you tell me who touched those people at the hospitals was there an apostle around..because they were the only ones the father promised to have the power to raise the dead
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Well, again, I am not defending these stories, my point is that we can use that one scripture across the board, because clearly there are many people who have died and are resurrected, only to die again. Look at all the people who were resurrected at Messiah's crucifixion.
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Again you are repeAting yourself and I am not questioning messiah.. we are talking now because you want to believe those things and you are defending it



that was a miracle but he was decaying so we know that was the power of the father through messiah..i am not disputing that and you already said what we discussing so don't go back to this

Most of these modern cases are not like this and the scriptures said this not my words hebrew chapter 9:27


You tell me who touched those people at the hospitals was there an apostle around..because they were the only ones the father promised to have the power to raise the dead

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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you can only die once it is biblical..with the exception of those who messiah raised.

that phenomena is like that drug they are messing with for year from haiti..where people appear clinically dead no heart beat no movement but are alive.

That is the same phenomenon
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It's not Neim, you're wrong about this. Please pray about it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


lisa lisa this time you are wrong people do not die and come back to this earth. show us scripture where this has happened. the only thing we have to go on is the Bible, it is our blueprint. I find noone in the Bible that talks about their experience when they died.
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Shamar just posted a bunch of scriptures above. Also, many books in the NT Apocrypha has many testimonies. You can call it NDE, you can call it taken up by the spirit, many different names for the same thing.

Many have seen the "other realms".......many.
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thanks lisa lisa I will go above and read these scriptures, much blessings to you and your family
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Whatever, you're free to believe whatever you like......even if it's wrong.

Have a blessed day.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


On this one, I happen to agree with you Lisa. I believe that there *is* more going on than what some people are willing to admit when it comes to NDE's. And I agree with you that the OP is wrong on this one.
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Whatever, you're free to believe whatever you like......even if it's wrong.

Have a blessed day.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Do you really mean it when you tell people have a blessed day ? just wondering
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Sooooo......Then I guess you would call OOBE's just hallucinations as well?! I think they would disagree with you on that point. People have been travelling OOB for quite
sometime and will tell you that it's real.....why do so many people have a problem with it??? Fear , ignorance or what?!?
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What about Lazarus? What about the girl raised from the dead by Messiah? What about when Messiah resurrected the widow's son at Nain?

What about Elisha raising the Shunammite's son? and Elijah resurrected the son of Zarephath's widow? What about Peter raising Dorcas?

What about the dead man that came back to life when he touches Elisha's bones?

What about Peter raising a female disciple named Tabitha from the dead? And Paul raising Eutychus from the dead?

Surely, we cannot quote the scripture "we are appointed once to die and after that the judgment" across the board.
 Quoting: Shamar


that was a miracle but he was decaying so we know that was the power of the father through messiah..i am not disputing that and you already said what we discussing so don't go back to this

Most of these modern cases are not like this and the scriptures said this not my words hebrew chapter 9:27


you tell me who touched those people at the hospitals was there an apostle around..because they were the only ones the father promised to have the power to raise the dead
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Well, again, I am not defending these stories, my point is that we can use that one scripture across the board, because clearly there are many people who have died and are resurrected, only to die again. Look at all the people who were resurrected at Messiah's crucifixion.
 Quoting: Shamar


Again you are repeAting yourself and I am not questioning messiah.. we are talking now because you want to believe those things and you are defending it



that was a miracle but he was decaying so we know that was the power of the father through messiah..i am not disputing that and you already said what we discussing so don't go back to this

Most of these modern cases are not like this and the scriptures said this not my words hebrew chapter 9:27


You tell me who touched those people at the hospitals was there an apostle around..because they were the only ones the father promised to have the power to raise the dead
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim, I am not talking specifically about Lazarus. I mentioned Lazarus, but I mentioned many more.

What apostles touched all the dead people in their graves that rose at Messiah's crucifixion? It was a miracle to be sure, but they also are going to experience another death before they see judgment. Speak to us about Elisha's miracles, but the touching of the bones, etc.

I know what your point is, I am just saying we cannot use that scripture across the board.
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It's not Neim, you're wrong about this. Please pray about it.
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lisa lisa this time you are wrong people do not die and come back to this earth. show us scripture where this has happened. the only thing we have to go on is the Bible, it is our blueprint. I find noone in the Bible that talks about their experience when they died.
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Shamar just posted a bunch of scriptures above. Also, many books in the NT Apocrypha has many testimonies. You can call it NDE, you can call it taken up by the spirit, many different names for the same thing.

Many have seen the "other realms".......many.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


thanks lisa lisa I will go above and read these scriptures, much blessings to you and your family
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REMEMBER THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF THE THREAD AND I ADDRESSED NDE ALSO

These imaginary death experiences are common to many people because of the loss of oxygen to the brain, and the dump of the chemical DMT into your brain at death or times of great stress. The experience is influenced by your core beliefs and memories.

Some of God's chosen people do have visitation while in their helpless state and being warned to change their lives and serve God but they are alive and was never dead.

Those of you christians who teach this type of coming back from the dead contradicts scripture.So pull down your videos and repent
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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that was a miracle but he was decaying so we know that was the power of the father through messiah..i am not disputing that and you already said what we discussing so don't go back to this

Most of these modern cases are not like this and the scriptures said this not my words hebrew chapter 9:27


you tell me who touched those people at the hospitals was there an apostle around..because they were the only ones the father promised to have the power to raise the dead
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Well, again, I am not defending these stories, my point is that we can use that one scripture across the board, because clearly there are many people who have died and are resurrected, only to die again. Look at all the people who were resurrected at Messiah's crucifixion.
 Quoting: Shamar


Again you are repeAting yourself and I am not questioning messiah.. we are talking now because you want to believe those things and you are defending it



that was a miracle but he was decaying so we know that was the power of the father through messiah..i am not disputing that and you already said what we discussing so don't go back to this

Most of these modern cases are not like this and the scriptures said this not my words hebrew chapter 9:27


You tell me who touched those people at the hospitals was there an apostle around..because they were the only ones the father promised to have the power to raise the dead
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim, I am not talking specifically about Lazarus. I mentioned Lazarus, but I mentioned many more.

What apostles touched all the dead people in their graves that rose at Messiah's crucifixion? It was a miracle to be sure, but they also are going to experience another death before they see judgment. Speak to us about Elisha's miracles, but the touching of the bones, etc.

I know what your point is, I am just saying we cannot use that scripture across the board.
 Quoting: Shamar


These imaginary death experiences are common to many people because of the loss of oxygen to the brain, and the dump of the chemical DMT into your brain at death or times of great stress. The experience is influenced by your core beliefs and memories.

Some of God's chosen people do have visitation while in their helpless state and being warned to change their lives and serve God but they are alive and was never dead.

Those of you christians who teach this type of coming back from the dead contradicts scripture.So pull down your videos and repent
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The few OT Saints that came out of the ground when Jesus did are the 24 Elders around the throne in Re:4 and they say they are coming back with Him to reign for 1,000 years. Since they have been awake and in the same place for 2,000 years will they have anything useful to say to the ones that are alive on the end of the first day.

The ones alive would be quite innocent on that 1st day but as wise as the 24 Saints were on day 1. That would help them when 'the rest' come alive in the same condition and they have the 24 Elders and the ones perfected over 1,000 years to help them understand some of the more basic elements of being in the Kingdom of God. After all, when you can speak to a mountain and it obeys your voice you don't want to have to say 'back' at any time.
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Sorry, OPie is wrong. I've been there; was dead for 7 minutes on the table... came back after the 5th "clear!!! shock!!!!" and Heaven is real. The entities are real; God is real; the angels are real.

I have no reason to lie to you. This was not an hallucination or imagination. Real place.

If you don't believe me, that's your choice.

If you do believe me, there is nothing fear in death if you are the Lord's and have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.

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