PEOPLE DON'T DIE AND COME BACK TO TELL THEIR FRIENDS ABOUT HEAVEN OR HELL

You were not dead!

If his heart wasn't beating and he wasn't breathing, he was dead...clinically dead. That's good enough for me. So OPie is still wrong.

Problems of definition
A flower, a skull and an hourglass stand for Life, Death and Time in this 17th-century painting by Philippe de Champaigne
French - 16th/17th century ivory pendant, Monk and Death, recalling mortality and the certainty of death (Walters Art Museum)The concept of death is a key to human understanding of the phenomenon.[9] There are many scientific approaches to the concept. For example, brain death, as practiced in medical science, defines death as a point in time at which brain activity ceases.[9][10][11][12]

One of the challenges in defining death is in distinguishing it from life. As a point in time, death would seem to refer to the moment at which life ends. However, determining when death has occurred requires drawing precise conceptual boundaries between life and death. This is problematic because there is little consensus over how to define life. This general problem applies to the particular challenge of defining death in the context of medicine.

It is possible to define life in terms of consciousness. When consciousness ceases, a living organism can be said to have died. One of the notable flaws in this approach, however, is that there are many organisms which are alive but probably not conscious (for example, single-celled organisms). Another problem is in defining consciousness, which has many different definitions given by modern scientists, psychologists and philosophers. Additionally, many religious traditions, including Abrahamic and Dharmic traditions, hold that death does not (or may not) entail the end of consciousness. In certain cultures, death is more of a process than a single event. It implies a slow shift from one spiritual state to another.[13]

What are your spiritual credentials OP? In the military you get ribbons to wear on your chest and those who can read them know where you've been and what you have done.

So what experiences have you had that gives you the authority to start this thread and pronounce this subject as closed based on your understanding of life and death.

A line from the bible is not going to cut it. Who are you and what elevated spiritual state have you achieved to pronounce this subject matter as not possible?

I'll check in later.

Pam Reynolds experience refutes your lack of oxygen to the brain theory. She was on a heart/lung machine when she died, and her blood was fully oxygenated the entire time.

Watch the video.

Ecclesiastes Chapter 9

5. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

YES, there are exceptions.

but those were very specific prophets before Jesus' time on earth.

thank you

Doesn't explain how the "trip" can be sustained over long periods of brain death. You're a noob OP. Go actually look into this. Also it doesn't contradict scriptures. You're an idiot.

I call BULLSHIT from a right wing born again wacko christian family. Totally staged. The kid is acting. Period. Why? Daddy wants to send a message.

Here is a site with heaps of information about near death and out of body experiences including scientific studies and first hand accounts etc.

[link to www.near-death.com]

Here is a section that specifically deals with the skeptics concerns with near death experiences and how some experiences may very well be legitimate after life experiences.

[link to www.near-death.com]

My relation to the bible is not based on youtube nonsense show me scriptures as the thread discusses the book of hebrew and the book of luke.This is where you christians go wrong, you go to secualr sources to go against the jesus you say you love

And again I showed that there aare people who had NDE and did have a reality check in those situation and were changed after the experince.That is in the thread so I dont know why you persuing this.. NDE and being dead are two different things

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Im not saying this is proof however, this surely is enough to convince people that there is a possiblity of NDE's being genuine



[link to www.near-death.com]

Example 1: An elderly woman had been blind since childhood. But, during her NDE, the woman had regained her sight and she was able to accurately describe the instruments and techniques used during the resuscitation her body. After the woman was revived, she reported the details to her doctor. She was able to tell her doctor who came in and out, what they said, what they wore, what they did, all of which was true. Her doctor then referred the woman to Moody who he knew was doing research at the time on NDEs.

Example 2: One patient told Moody, After it was all over the doctor told me that I had a really bad time, and I said, Yeah, I know.' He said, Well, how do you know?' and I said, I can tell you everything that happened.' He didn't believe me, so I told him the whole story, from the time I stopped breathing until the time I was kind of coming around. He was really shocked to know that I knew everything that had happened. He didn't know quite what to say, but he came in several times to ask me different things about it.

Example 3: In another instance a woman with a heart condition was dying at the same time that her sister was in a diabetic coma in another part of the same hospital. The subject reported having a conversation with her sister as both of them hovered near the ceiling watching the medical team work on her body below. When the woman awoke, she told the doctor that her sister had died while her own resuscitation was taking place. The doctor denied it, but when she insisted, he had a nurse check on it. The sister had, in fact, died during the time in question.

Example 4: A dying girl left her body and into another room in the hospital where she found her older sister crying and saying:

"Oh, Kathy, please don't die, please don't die."
The older sister was quite baffled when, later, Kathy told her exactly where she had been and what she had been saying during this time.

"After it was all over, the doctor told me that I had a really bad time, and I said, "Yeah, I know."

He said, "Well, how do you know?"
And I said, "I can tell you everything that happened."
He didn't believe me, so I told him the whole story, from the time I stopped breathing until the time I was kind of coming around. He was really shocked to know that I knew everything that had happened. He didn't know quite what to say, but he came in several times to ask me different things about it.

When I woke up after the accident, my father was there, and I didn't even want to know what sort of shape I was in, or how I was, or how the doctors thought I would be. All I wanted to talk about was the experience I had been through. I told my father who had dragged my body out of the building, and even what color clothes that person had on, and how they got me out, and even about all the conversation that had been going on in the area.

And my father said, "Well, yes, these things were true."
Yet, my body was physically out this whole time, and there was no way I could have seen or heard these things without being outside of my body.

The Vatican chose what and what not to put in the bible

Why wasnt the gospel of Judas or the gospel of Mary Magdalene put in it?

What about the Gnostic gospels?

Gospel of Jesus?

There are passages in these gospels which speak about reincarnation but the vatican dont want that in there.

I am a catholic yet i dont agree with how the vatican chose which gospels to put in the bible

Neim, the subject of your thread is saying that NDE's are false. You must expect others to respond to the subject of the thread with their experiences and proof.

Otherwise, why even start this thread if you don't want anyone to talk about the subject matter?

You can write it off as just being some 'influx' of chemicals, but I think there is more to it than that. As I said before, if these people are clinically dead (no heart beat, no breathing) they're considered dead. To say that they don't 'die' and come back with visions of what they have seen is to sell their experiences short.

THIS! Please don't twist things around or if you want please start your own thread on NDE this is regading the bible verses I posted


These imaginary death experiences are common to many people because of the loss of oxygen to the brain, and the dump of the chemical DMT into your brain at death or times of great stress. The experience is influenced by your core beliefs and memories.

Some of God's chosen people do have visitation while in their helpless state and being warned to change their lives and serve God but they are alive and was never dead.

Those of you christians who teach this type of coming back from the dead contradicts scripture.So pull down your videos and repent

"SID ROTH IS AN ENLIGHTENMENT WIZARD DON'T BE FOOLED"
Sid Roth and some of these fakes have people believing in channeling and cross over from life to death and back again..These are familiar spirits these people have encountered in many cases.These men are wizards and they teach you sorcery

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Near Death Experience can't be proof of God because it's against the scripture, so it must not happen! it must mean something else. because it can't be that way. because of the scriptures!

This is the subject of the thread! where do you see NDE lisa?

"PEOPLE DON'T DIE AND COME BACK TO TELL THEIR FRIENDS ABOUT HEAVEN OR HELL"

But they are waiting to yell, 'Surprise' when you make your appearance there.

You idiot! People dying and coming back to tell their friends about heaven and hell, thats what a fucking NDE is! It's the fucking subject!

Bury your head in your 100% accurate scripture you wank

you watch to much sci fi

Nah mainly porn