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What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?

 
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What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?
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The "wave particle duality" is a concept of mainstream science.



Wikipedia says:

"Wave particle duality postulates that all particles exhibit both wave and particle properties. A central concept of quantum mechanics, this duality addresses the inability of classical concepts like "particle" and "wave" to fully describe the behavior of a quantum-scale objects. Standard interpretations of quantum mechanics explain this paradox as a fundamental property of the Universe (...)"


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What is the metaphysical explanation for the wave particle duality?


How Metaphysics deal with it?


Thank you...
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Maybe the matter / spirit duality?


Particle = matter

Wave = spirit


Each photon or electron is a particle and wave at the same time...

Matter and Spirit at the same time...
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Re: What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?
Maybe the matter / spirit duality?


Particle = matter

Wave = spirit


Each photon or electron is a particle and wave at the same time...

Matter and Spirit at the same time...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13196565


Agreed.

Energy/matter is dependent on the collective psyche... through subconscious agreement a 'fixed visual' of a particle of energy can be observed. However, the collective psyche is always changing, learning, experiencing, feeling, etc... and that can reduce the "fixed visual" into a more invisible phenomenon, aka a wave.
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Re: What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?
Maybe the matter / spirit duality?


Particle = matter

Wave = spirit


Each photon or electron is a particle and wave at the same time...

Matter and Spirit at the same time...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13196565


Agreed.

Energy/matter is dependent on the collective psyche... through subconscious agreement a 'fixed visual' of a particle of energy can be observed. However, the collective psyche is always changing, learning, experiencing, feeling, etc... and that can reduce the "fixed visual" into a more invisible phenomenon, aka a wave.
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Remember though that both representations are only from human minds in order to predict or make things.

The real core question remains is there a reality outside the human thought and observation.

Perhaps that is the real duality and many seem confused by the very concept of it.

If there is a reality outside of observers minds would that not be in effect a "god"?
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Re: What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?
Maybe the matter / spirit duality?


Particle = matter

Wave = spirit


Each photon or electron is a particle and wave at the same time...

Matter and Spirit at the same time...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13196565


Agreed.

Energy/matter is dependent on the collective psyche... through subconscious agreement a 'fixed visual' of a particle of energy can be observed. However, the collective psyche is always changing, learning, experiencing, feeling, etc... and that can reduce the "fixed visual" into a more invisible phenomenon, aka a wave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


Remember though that both representations are only from human minds in order to predict or make things.

The real core question remains is there a reality outside the human thought and observation.

Perhaps that is the real duality and many seem confused by the very concept of it.

If there is a reality outside of observers minds would that not be in effect a "god"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


Correct.

The observer mind using the medium of energy to experience infinite possibilities for eternity is all there is... this creates the illusion of space, time, other "selves", etc. The causeless cause which props up this whole deal is "God." God is within the energy, within us... when we give him tangible attributes we create hypnotizing though forms... deities/jinns/archons, etc. which lead us down the vibratory modes of experience.
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There is NO duality in light. Just Luminiferous aether.
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Re: What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?
Maybe the matter / spirit duality?


Particle = matter

Wave = spirit


Each photon or electron is a particle and wave at the same time...

Matter and Spirit at the same time...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13196565


Agreed.

Energy/matter is dependent on the collective psyche... through subconscious agreement a 'fixed visual' of a particle of energy can be observed. However, the collective psyche is always changing, learning, experiencing, feeling, etc... and that can reduce the "fixed visual" into a more invisible phenomenon, aka a wave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


Remember though that both representations are only from human minds in order to predict or make things.

The real core question remains is there a reality outside the human thought and observation.

Perhaps that is the real duality and many seem confused by the very concept of it.

If there is a reality outside of observers minds would that not be in effect a "god"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


Correct.

The observer mind using the medium of energy to experience infinite possibilities for eternity is all there is... this creates the illusion of space, time, other "selves", etc. The causeless cause which props up this whole deal is "God." God is within the energy, within us... when we give him tangible attributes we create hypnotizing though forms... deities/jinns/archons, etc. which lead us down the vibratory modes of experience.
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I disagree

I am of the mind that there is a reality outside of observation.

It is the working with this reality where true mystics achieve observed amazing or the seemingly impossible.
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Agreed.

Energy/matter is dependent on the collective psyche... through subconscious agreement a 'fixed visual' of a particle of energy can be observed. However, the collective psyche is always changing, learning, experiencing, feeling, etc... and that can reduce the "fixed visual" into a more invisible phenomenon, aka a wave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


Remember though that both representations are only from human minds in order to predict or make things.

The real core question remains is there a reality outside the human thought and observation.

Perhaps that is the real duality and many seem confused by the very concept of it.

If there is a reality outside of observers minds would that not be in effect a "god"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


Correct.

The observer mind using the medium of energy to experience infinite possibilities for eternity is all there is... this creates the illusion of space, time, other "selves", etc. The causeless cause which props up this whole deal is "God." God is within the energy, within us... when we give him tangible attributes we create hypnotizing though forms... deities/jinns/archons, etc. which lead us down the vibratory modes of experience.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


I disagree

I am of the mind that there is a reality outside of observation.

It is the working with this reality where true mystics achieve observed amazing or the seemingly impossible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


So you believe space/time is independent of consciousness?

To clarify, energy stratifies away from Source in accordance to that energy's alignment with truth. If one's energy is "of Source" and the agreed upon physics of the collective psyche permits, magic based phenomena can exist and flourish.
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op, please read this carefully
it explains in detail why mainstream science is wrong
or how it went wrong

[link to www.enterprisemission.com]

it's monumentally profound and saddening

it matters not what anybody thinks of r hoagland the facts remain...
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Remember though that both representations are only from human minds in order to predict or make things.

The real core question remains is there a reality outside the human thought and observation.

Perhaps that is the real duality and many seem confused by the very concept of it.

If there is a reality outside of observers minds would that not be in effect a "god"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


Correct.

The observer mind using the medium of energy to experience infinite possibilities for eternity is all there is... this creates the illusion of space, time, other "selves", etc. The causeless cause which props up this whole deal is "God." God is within the energy, within us... when we give him tangible attributes we create hypnotizing though forms... deities/jinns/archons, etc. which lead us down the vibratory modes of experience.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


I disagree

I am of the mind that there is a reality outside of observation.

It is the working with this reality where true mystics achieve observed amazing or the seemingly impossible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


So you believe space/time is independent of consciousness?

To clarify, energy stratifies away from Source in accordance to that energy's alignment with truth. If one's energy is "of Source" and the agreed upon physics of the collective psyche permits, magic based phenomena can exist and flourish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


It appears you are saying the same thing I am but attempting to take an opposing view.

Truth is what?

It can hardly be what you "think"
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Correct.

The observer mind using the medium of energy to experience infinite possibilities for eternity is all there is... this creates the illusion of space, time, other "selves", etc. The causeless cause which props up this whole deal is "God." God is within the energy, within us... when we give him tangible attributes we create hypnotizing though forms... deities/jinns/archons, etc. which lead us down the vibratory modes of experience.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


I disagree

I am of the mind that there is a reality outside of observation.

It is the working with this reality where true mystics achieve observed amazing or the seemingly impossible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


So you believe space/time is independent of consciousness?

To clarify, energy stratifies away from Source in accordance to that energy's alignment with truth. If one's energy is "of Source" and the agreed upon physics of the collective psyche permits, magic based phenomena can exist and flourish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


It appears you are saying the same thing I am but attempting to take an opposing view.

Truth is what?

It can hardly be what you "think"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


Wasn't taking an opposing stance, just wanted to understand your view. Semantics can be slippery when it comes to abstract metaphysics.

Truth is the oneness... the here and now... the all and the nothing, infinite and eternal. Truth can be attained without a single thought, and can be only danced around with words.
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I disagree

I am of the mind that there is a reality outside of observation.

It is the working with this reality where true mystics achieve observed amazing or the seemingly impossible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


So you believe space/time is independent of consciousness?

To clarify, energy stratifies away from Source in accordance to that energy's alignment with truth. If one's energy is "of Source" and the agreed upon physics of the collective psyche permits, magic based phenomena can exist and flourish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


It appears you are saying the same thing I am but attempting to take an opposing view.

Truth is what?

It can hardly be what you "think"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


Wasn't taking an opposing stance, just wanted to understand your view. Semantics can be slippery when it comes to abstract metaphysics.

Truth is the oneness... the here and now... the all and the nothing, infinite and eternal. Truth can be attained without a single thought, and can be only danced around with words.
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By that definition it is external yes?
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So you believe space/time is independent of consciousness?

To clarify, energy stratifies away from Source in accordance to that energy's alignment with truth. If one's energy is "of Source" and the agreed upon physics of the collective psyche permits, magic based phenomena can exist and flourish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


It appears you are saying the same thing I am but attempting to take an opposing view.

Truth is what?

It can hardly be what you "think"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29077765


Wasn't taking an opposing stance, just wanted to understand your view. Semantics can be slippery when it comes to abstract metaphysics.

Truth is the oneness... the here and now... the all and the nothing, infinite and eternal. Truth can be attained without a single thought, and can be only danced around with words.
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By that definition it is external yes?
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All conceptual opposites are true simultaneously... that's where freewill of perception comes in.
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"Wave particle duality" = proof of the limits of mainstream science to explain the Universe...
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electromagnetism.
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Re: What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?
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The "wave particle duality" is a concept of mainstream science.



Wikipedia says:

"Wave particle duality postulates that all particles exhibit both wave and particle properties. A central concept of quantum mechanics, this duality addresses the inability of classical concepts like "particle" and "wave" to fully describe the behavior of a quantum-scale objects. Standard interpretations of quantum mechanics explain this paradox as a fundamental property of the Universe (...)"


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What is the metaphysical explanation for the wave particle duality?


How Metaphysics deal with it?


Thank you...
 Quoting: confused photon 2 13385421


Duality in the metaphysical sense referes to two states that exists, being in opposition but then balanced in harmony as a whole. Its proclaimation is that one cannot exist without the other and the two states always exist, like good and evil, white and black, day and night. Even the binary system of zero's and one, true and false, is a representation of duality.

But, personally, I think duality is an illusion and that there is really only one state that ultimately exists.

I'm not sure what or how this might align with particle-wave duality though.
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"Wave particle duality" = proof of the limits of mainstream science to explain the Universe...
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Correct.

THERE ARE NO PARTICLES!!!

Wave/particle duality does not truly exist, because particles do not exist (namely at that micro state).

It is all energy (wave forms). Energy is charge/field/motion.

In other words, electric/magnetic/motion.

Particles are an illusion that arises from the standing waves of synched oscillating waves.

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Correct.

THERE ARE NO PARTICLES!!!

Wave/particle duality does not truly exist, because particles do not exist (namely at that micro state).

It is all energy (wave forms). Energy is charge/field/motion.

In other words, electric/magnetic/motion.

Particles are an illusion that arises from the standing waves of synched oscillating waves.

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So, why light is attracted by gravity in the BLACK HOLES?

Only particles have mass, and can be attracted by gravity.

Waves don't have mass.

Photons have mass, and are attracted by the massive gravity of the Black Holes.

So, in this sense, light is formed by particles...
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"Wave particle duality" = proof of the limits of mainstream science to explain the Universe...
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Correct.

THERE ARE NO PARTICLES!!!

Wave/particle duality does not truly exist, because particles do not exist (namely at that micro state).

It is all energy (wave forms). Energy is charge/field/motion.

In other words, electric/magnetic/motion.

Particles are an illusion that arises from the standing waves of synched oscillating waves.

 Quoting: Septenary Man




So, why light is attracted by gravity in the BLACK HOLES?

Only particles have mass, and can be attracted by gravity.

Waves don't have mass.

Photons have mass, and are attracted by the massive gravity of the Black Holes.

So, in this sense, light is formed by particles...
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Because you are completely leaving out electricity and magnetism.

Magnetism can attract wave or mass.

Also, magnetism is a stronger force than gravity. Magnetism, more so than gravity, forms and controls black holes.

But, even black holes are not real in the context of accepted science.
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"Wave particle duality" = proof of the limits of mainstream science to explain the Universe...
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Correct.

THERE ARE NO PARTICLES!!!

Wave/particle duality does not truly exist, because particles do not exist (namely at that micro state).

It is all energy (wave forms). Energy is charge/field/motion.

In other words, electric/magnetic/motion.

Particles are an illusion that arises from the standing waves of synched oscillating waves.

 Quoting: Septenary Man

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13385421




So, why light is attracted by gravity in the BLACK HOLES?

Only particles have mass, and can be attracted by gravity.

Waves don't have mass.

Photons have mass, and are attracted by the massive gravity of the Black Holes.

So, in this sense, light is formed by particles...


Photons are massless.

Google search it.

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Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
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"Wave particle duality" = proof of the limits of mainstream science to explain the Universe...
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Correct.

THERE ARE NO PARTICLES!!!

Wave/particle duality does not truly exist, because particles do not exist (namely at that micro state).

It is all energy (wave forms). Energy is charge/field/motion.

In other words, electric/magnetic/motion.

Particles are an illusion that arises from the standing waves of synched oscillating waves.

 Quoting: Septenary Man

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13385421




So, why light is attracted by gravity in the BLACK HOLES?

Only particles have mass, and can be attracted by gravity.

Waves don't have mass.

Photons have mass, and are attracted by the massive gravity of the Black Holes.

So, in this sense, light is formed by particles...
 Quoting: Nexus-9


Photons are massless.

Google search it.


No, photons have relativistic mass, if they didn't, there'd be no such thing as radiation pressure.

If, and only if you could slow a photon to a complete stop, which isn't possible, it would have no rest mass.
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Re: What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?
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The "wave particle duality" is a concept of mainstream science.



Wikipedia says:

"Wave particle duality postulates that all particles exhibit both wave and particle properties. A central concept of quantum mechanics, this duality addresses the inability of classical concepts like "particle" and "wave" to fully describe the behavior of a quantum-scale objects. Standard interpretations of quantum mechanics explain this paradox as a fundamental property of the Universe (...)"


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What is the metaphysical explanation for the wave particle duality?


How Metaphysics deal with it?


Thank you...
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There is no such thing as metaphysics when we are discussing quantum theory.

So Op, are you really concerned about wave particle duality?
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Time and space continuum is such.
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Correct.

THERE ARE NO PARTICLES!!!

Wave/particle duality does not truly exist, because particles do not exist (namely at that micro state).

It is all energy (wave forms). Energy is charge/field/motion.

In other words, electric/magnetic/motion.

Particles are an illusion that arises from the standing waves of synched oscillating waves.

 Quoting: Septenary Man

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13385421




So, why light is attracted by gravity in the BLACK HOLES?

Only particles have mass, and can be attracted by gravity.

Waves don't have mass.

Photons have mass, and are attracted by the massive gravity of the Black Holes.

So, in this sense, light is formed by particles...
 Quoting: Nexus-9


Photons are massless.

Google search it.


bsflag black holes are math equation error, that's all!

And google is not a good source at all mate.
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Correct.

THERE ARE NO PARTICLES!!!

Wave/particle duality does not truly exist, because particles do not exist (namely at that micro state).

It is all energy (wave forms). Energy is charge/field/motion.

In other words, electric/magnetic/motion.

Particles are an illusion that arises from the standing waves of synched oscillating waves.

 Quoting: Septenary Man

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13385421




So, why light is attracted by gravity in the BLACK HOLES?

Only particles have mass, and can be attracted by gravity.

Waves don't have mass.

Photons have mass, and are attracted by the massive gravity of the Black Holes.

So, in this sense, light is formed by particles...


Hold on there partner.

photons are at present believed to have no mass.
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Correct.

THERE ARE NO PARTICLES!!!

Wave/particle duality does not truly exist, because particles do not exist (namely at that micro state).

It is all energy (wave forms). Energy is charge/field/motion.

In other words, electric/magnetic/motion.

Particles are an illusion that arises from the standing waves of synched oscillating waves.

 Quoting: Septenary Man

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13385421




So, why light is attracted by gravity in the BLACK HOLES?

Only particles have mass, and can be attracted by gravity.

Waves don't have mass.

Photons have mass, and are attracted by the massive gravity of the Black Holes.

So, in this sense, light is formed by particles...
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Hold on there partner.

photons are at present believed to have no mass.


Space time get distorted.
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Re: What is the metaphysical explanation for what mainstream science calls "wave particle duality"?
Now black holes are interesting.

They are a theory that once searched for are believed to be found.

The assumptions regarding them make for more confusion such as black holes appearing to send out jets of matter.

How can this be if nothing can escape the gravity?
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Photons need to have mass, otherwise they wouldn't be attracted by the gravity of the Black Holes...

Massless "things" can't be attracted by gravity...
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op, please read this carefully
it explains in detail why mainstream science is wrong
or how it went wrong

[link to www.enterprisemission.com]

it's monumentally profound and saddening

it matters not what anybody thinks of r hoagland the facts remain...
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Photons need to have mass, otherwise they wouldn't be attracted by the gravity of the Black Holes...

Massless "things" can't be attracted by gravity...
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My point it there is no way of verifying that black holes even exist.

Our theoretic physics field is indeed a mess but I personally have zero faith is anything that fools like Richard Hoagland spout.
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op, please read this carefully
it explains in detail why mainstream science is wrong
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[link to www.enterprisemission.com]

it's monumentally profound and saddening

it matters not what anybody thinks of r hoagland the facts remain...
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Whoa, I read that whole thing and though it did not blow my mind, it somehow "settled" my mind. It's truly amazing that I could even understand that, AND I CONCUR COMPLETELY, but with some qualifications.

In my studies over the last 40 years, I have come to almost an exact conclusion--from a completely different set of information from the most unlikeliest of sources. I deduced it from the Bible. For years, we discussed these very same things on TimetravelInstitute.com using a combination of metaphysical/religious/engineering/physics/geometrical SUPER natural points of view.

From the pages of Scripture alone (along with my lifelong love for pure science), I was able to come up with the same exact parameters spoken of in the site enterprisemission. In contrast, the recent Calabi-Yau theory which is being investigated at the Planck-length by CERN with the LHC, comes up with 11 initial dimensions in their hyperdimensional model. I came up with nine according to Scripture and this is the initial findings mentioned on that site. In addition to that initial understanding from the Scriptures, there are an amazing amount of details as to the structure of space/time/matter--and it is all wrapped up in a deep study about the nature of(of all things)God the Father, Christ the Son and the seven-fold out raying of the Holy Spirit (nine dimensions). What STARTED me on this journey was a very simple thing that I think amazed us all and we missed the significance of it. I even asked an astronaut back in the 1960's what he thought of what I was thinking and he simply did not understand what I was saying. As I was watching an astronaut in space, I noticed (as we all have) that when a liquid was released from its confinement cup, the liquid coalesced into a ball--not discrete units as I would have expected according to gravitational theory--but a ball as a unit, undulating and changing its form because of its liquidity; and COALESCING several smaller units of liquid. This changed my entire viewpoint of modern scientific theory. What this showed to me THEN, was that the very space, itself, of which it was forming IN, was the actual "machine" which created our reality. Thus was born in my mind the concept of a "roiling, boiling" space made up of "invisible" dimensions forming all of space/time/matter. I even wrote a paper on it later and posted some of it here on Godlike under the title "The Revelation of the Mystery of God". In it, I tried to show the incredible scientific material I found within the Scriptures as to the very formation of life, itself.

Inexplicably, I found things that were very troubling to my mind. I haven't shared these things because I had difficulty coming to terms with it. I am a Christian. I believe in the Second Coming, the end of the world stuff, the building of character, sin...the whole shebang. What the Scriptures seemed to be saying is: Destruction is coming. There is no hope for this world. Earth changes will be so dramatic that for a very small percentage, the only way to escape is to LEAVE it. Not only must we leave the planet, we have to leave the Solar System altogether, perhaps even the GALAXY since we are colliding with Saggitarious; an infrared galaxy that is approaching us from our South and has been for "billions of years?" The "local fluff" as they have been calling it is affecting our whole solar system. Changes are being seen on every planet--massive changes even affecting time, and we are feeling the effects of it in a myriad of ways.

Even more amazing, the Scriptures contain a "model" that, to me, defines a "machine" which boggles me as to its structure and its purpose. I even took years of study in CAD, and 3dmodeling to see if I could "build" it. The more I tried, the more complex it became. Over years, I am still finding "clues" to its function. With these clues, I am becoming firmly convinced that "far nobler beings" than ourselves are seeking to save us from what is coming. It is not just about saving us physically. It's the whole ball of wax: physically, spiritually, psychologically, philosophically, culturally, and ETERNALLY. EVERYTHING seems to be coming together in a very particular timeframe, not the least being the 26,000 year "cycle" so frequently mentioned by Mayan enthusiasts. My grandson is 5 years old today 12-12-12. What a joy he is. I want him to be part of that 144,000 (perhaps literal) that escapes. The model that I was "shown" has space for 144, 000, of which Noah's Ark was but a model and an example, it seems, for us today. I know it all sounds crazy. Maybe it all is. But for me, it has been a wonderful ride for my 67 years. I still have seven women surrounding me (my wife and six daughters) with their beauty and love and hope in the future. They all love God and I cannot hope for more. I am at peace. Jesus really is coming, though perhaps not in the ways we understand. We are told that "the bridegroom cometh" and that we are to "go out and meet Him". That may be far more literal than we think.
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