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JUST-IN: Huge Leak of Radioactive Water in Fukushima No 2. Containment Vessel Fractured!

 
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If they buried it like at Chernobyl, there would be no need to cool it with water.
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CRAP!! This is BIG!
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


It was big over a year ago..

Now its just fucked beyond-beyond repair.
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As everyone has generally become blase about a triple reactor meltdown.. the facts remain.

There is no technology available to deal with it: as illustrated by the frequent impotent attempts to simply measure the levels of radiation.

Those responsible for putting the world in a nuclear holocaust situation like to say.. the solution is dilution.

This goes for information dissemination, as well.

Get it through your fucking heads.
They don't care.

We don't matter.

 Quoting: Waterbug


lala tissue drunk lala
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As everyone has generally become blase about a triple reactor meltdown.. the facts remain.

There is no technology available to deal with it: as illustrated by the frequent impotent attempts to simply measure the levels of radiation.

Those responsible for putting the world in a nuclear holocaust situation like to say.. the solution is dilution.

This goes for information dissemination, as well.

Get it through your fucking heads.
They don't care.

We don't matter.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Brief and to the point. You're 100% right.
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If they buried it like at Chernobyl, there would be no need to cool it with water.
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Too hot.
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Yikes! Look out, World!
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If they buried it like at Chernobyl, there would be no need to cool it with water.
 Quoting: Silvershallows 462458


Too hot.
 Quoting: Waterbug


...and, NO BASEMENT!
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12/12/2012 10:45 AM
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Any alternative sources for this statement?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29611178


The operator of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant ....

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said it was unable to identify the source of the leak....

TEPCO suspects the radioactive water is leaking....

A huge volume of highly radioactive water, used to cool down the fuel, has since been leaking from the reactor, TEPCO said.

[link to ajw.asahi.com]

[link to www4.tepco.co.jp (secure)]
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People don't give a shit. Entertainment/novelty value has gone.

I bet that if you'd ask 10 random people where or what fukushima is, half wouldn't have a clue anymore.

We'll only see the full effects 5 years from now. By then, they'll have a nice scenario to erase Fukushima from the collective minds of the sheeple.
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Any alternative sources for this statement?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29611178


The operator of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant ....

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said it was unable to identify the source of the leak....

TEPCO suspects the radioactive water is leaking....

A huge volume of highly radioactive water, used to cool down the fuel, has since been leaking from the reactor, TEPCO said.

[link to ajw.asahi.com]

[link to www4.tepco.co.jp (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29705149


The first link is the original, at the official Tepco website I can´t find this statement. So again, before we discuss any further, why are there no other source with this news?
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CAN YOU SAY WORMWOOD, i think that what is what is called, killing a 1/3 of all sea life and many more of those flying by, and yes the people too. it is clearly already written down in the bible.

we are seeing what it looks like real time,a slow death...

the kicker is thier build more nuke plants as we speak. greed over life itself...

some real sick folks, huh?
 Quoting: chipg 13295122


Ref the word Wormwood.
Wiki Chernobyl and you find out that it means Mugwort or Wormwood ( in latin, Artemesia Vulgaris)

Weird huh

But Fukushima got it wrong with the name of their town some would say. It can be translated out as good fortune island.
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did they ever find the melted corium?
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CRAP!! This is BIG!
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


It was big over a year ago..

Now its just fucked beyond-beyond repair.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3128289


That too.
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I certainly feel a lot better after reading this.....


[link to www.nzherald.co.nz]

Fukushima safety scientists paid by nuclear
operators
7:55 AM Friday Dec 7, 2012

"Influential Japanese scientists who help set national radiation exposure limits have for years had trips paid for by the country's nuclear plant operators to attend overseas meetings of the world's top academic group on radiation safety.

The potential conflict of interest is revealed in one sentence buried in a 600-page parliamentary investigation into last year's Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power plant disaster and pointed out to The Associated Press by a medical doctor on the 10-person investigation panel.
Some of these same scientists have consistently given optimistic assessments about the health risks of radiation, interviews with the scientists and government documents show. Their pivotal role in setting policy after the March 2011 tsunami and ensuing nuclear meltdowns meant the difference between school children playing outside or
indoors and families staying or evacuating.

One leading scientist, Ohtsura Niwa, acknowledged that the electricity industry pays for flights and hotels
to go to meetings of the International Commission on Radiological Protection, and for overseas members
visiting Japan. He denied that the funding influences his science, and stressed that he stands behind his
view that continuing radiation worries about Fukushima are overblown.

"Those who evacuated just want to believe in the dangers of radiation to justify the action they took," Niwa
told the AP in an interview.

The official stance of the International Commission on Radiological Protection is that the health risks from
radiation become zero only with zero exposure. But some of the eight Japanese ICRP members do not subscribe to that view, asserting that low dose radiation is harmless or the risks are negligible.

The doctor on the parliamentary panel, Hisako Sakiyama, is outraged about utility funding for Japan's ICRP members. She fears that radiation standards are being set at a lenient level to limit costly evacuations.

"The assertion of the utilities became the rule. That's ethically unacceptable. People's health is at stake,"
she said. "The view was twisted so it came out as though there is no clear evidence of the risks, or that we
simply don't know."

The ICRP, based in Ottawa, Canada, does not take a stand on any nation's policy, leaving that to each government. It is a charity that relies heavily on donations, and members' funding varies by nation. The group brings scientists together to study radiation effects on health and the environment, as well as the impact of disasters such as Chernobyl and Fukushima. In Japan, ICRP members sit on key panels at the prime minister's office and the education ministry that set radiation safety policy.

The Fukushima meltdowns, the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl, brought a higher level of scrutiny to Japan's nuclear industry, revealing close ties between the regulators and the regulated. Last month, some members of a panel that sets nuclear plant safety standards acknowledged they received and other grant money from utility companies and plant manufacturers. The funding is not illegal in Japan.

Niwa, the only Japanese member to sit on the main ICRP committee, defended utility support for travel expenses, which comes from the Federation of Electric Power Companies of Japan through another radiation organization. Costs add up, he said, and he has spent tens of thousands of yen of his personal money on ICRP projects and efforts to decontaminate Fukushima. All ICRP members fly economy, except for long flights such as between Argentina and Japan, he said.

The Federation declined comment.

Clouding the debate about radiation risks are the multiple causes of cancer, including diet, smoking and other habits. That's why it is extremely difficult to prove any direct link between an individual's cancer and
radiation, or pinpoint where one cause begins and another ends.

The ICRP recommends keeping radiation exposure down to 1 millisievert per year and up to 20 millisieverts
in a short-term emergency, a standard that takes into account the lessons of Chernobyl.

"Health risks from annual radiation exposure of 20 millisieverts, the current level for issuance of orders to
evacuate an affected area, are quite small particularly when compared against the risks from other carcinogenic factors," the ICRP says.

The risk of getting cancer at 20 millisieverts raises the already existing 25 percent chance by an estimated
0.1 percent, according to French ICRP member Jacques Lochard, who visits Japan often to consult on
Fukushima.

While that's low, he says it's not zero, so his view is that you should do all you can to reduce exposure.
Kazuo Sakai, a Japanese ICRP member, said he was interested in debunking that generally accepted view.

Known as the "linear no threshold" model of radiation risk, the ICRP-backed position considers radiation harmful even at low doses with no threshold below which exposure is safe.
Sakai called that model a mere "tool," and possibly not scientifically sound.

He said his studies on salamanders and other animal life since the Fukushima disaster have shown no ill effects, including genetic damage, and so humans, exposed to far lower levels of radiation, are safe.

"No serious health effects are expected for regular people," he said.

The parliamentary investigation found that utilities have repeatedly tried to push Japanese ICRP members
toward a lenient standard on radiation from as far back as 2007.

Internal records at the Federation of Electric Power Companies obtained by the investigative committee
showed officials rejoicing over how their views were getting reflected in ICRP Japan statements.

Even earlier, Sakai received utility money for his research into low dose radiation during a 1999-2006 tenure at the Central Research Institute of Electric Power Industry, an organization funded by the utilities. But he said that before his hiring he anticipated pressures to come up with research favorable to the nuclear industry, and he made it clear his science would not be improperly influenced.
Niwa, a professor at Fukushima Medical University, said that residents need to stay in Fukushima if at all
possible, partly because they would face discrimination in marriage elsewhere in Japan from what he said were unfounded fears about radiation and genetic defects.

Setting off such fears are medical checks on the thyroids of Fukushima children that found some nodules or growths that are not cancerous but not normal.

No one knows for sure what this means, but Yoshiharu Yonekura, president of the National Institute of
Radiological Sciences and an ICRP member, brushes off the worries and says such abnormalities areRadiological Sciences and an ICRP member, brushes off the worries and says such abnormalities are common.

The risk is such a non-concern in his mind that he says with a smile: "Low-dose radiation may be even
good for you." "
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Saw this first on enenews, just like OP did cause all they did was cut and paste it and not mention where they got the info. Nice try

[link to enenews.com]
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You had it all but you threw it away.
Hopefully better choices are made next go around.
No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are.
Perceived circles or lines are not exactly circular or straight, and true circles and lines could never be detected since by definition they are sets of infinitely small points.
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A remote-controlled robot is now scouring the basement of the reactor building [...]

 Quoting: DoorBert


I wonder if they are now using Diamond substrate semiconductors for those Radiation hardened robots. We need to really be paying attention to how successful or not such robots are being built, just so we can know if we have any coming on line elsewhere that might mitigate another other nuclear power plant disasters in the future.
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As everyone has generally become blase about a triple reactor meltdown.. the facts remain.

There is no technology available to deal with it: as illustrated by the frequent impotent attempts to simply measure the levels of radiation.

Those responsible for putting the world in a nuclear holocaust situation like to say.. the solution is dilution.

This goes for information dissemination, as well.

Get it through your fucking heads.
They don't care.

We don't matter.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Indeed, "bug"... hugs

verysad
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CAN YOU SAY WORMWOOD, i think that what is what is called, killing a 1/3 of all sea life and many more of those flying by, and yes the people too. it is clearly already written down in the bible.

we are seeing what it looks like real time,a slow death...

the kicker is thier build more nuke plants as we speak. greed over life itself...

some real sick folks, huh?
 Quoting: chipg 13295122


Wormwood, a 500 meter diameter asteroid with a matrix of Plutonium 240, 50% of the rest of it being D.U., in a lattice. Air-bursting on entry, that would be a much better candidate for Worm-Wood. Stop thinking so small and Human caused.
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A remote-controlled robot is now scouring the basement of the reactor building [...]

 Quoting: DoorBert


I wonder if they are now using Diamond substrate semiconductors for those Radiation hardened robots. We need to really be paying attention to how successful or not such robots are being built, just so we can know if we have any coming on line elsewhere that might mitigate another other nuclear power plant disasters in the future.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


In the future? What future?
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Gee I wonder why things like this happening
12 miles of dead squid wash ashore

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Fukushima was the strong beginning to the endverysad
 Quoting: Goofy for God


Nah, that couldn't have any thing at all to do with the extremely LOUD sonar pings of British, Russian, French, Chinese, or USA boomers nuclear subs, no, not at all.

Always use the only 'tool' you have to understand everything in Life, the Universe, and Everything. That's right use your 10 pound sledge hammer to change your cell phone contact list.

<of course, sarcasm>
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I also wonder how bad this really is -- I mean what they are willing to admit to is bad enough, usually reality is far worse.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

The track record proves this. It is likely horrible beyond comprehension.
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OK, the water is LEAKING but ..... WHERE TO ?????

a) into the ocean
b) into other buildings
c) into the ground
d) evapourazing into the air

....... wot ?
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Saw this first on enenews, just like OP did cause all they did was cut and paste it and not mention where they got the info. Nice try

[link to enenews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11264499


Source: Iwakami Yasumi, Japanese journalist
Translation: Fukushima Diary
Date: Dec. 11, 2012

[link to fukushima-diary.com]

You fail. Nice try.
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[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
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Title: Tokyo Bay Contamination More Serious than Fukushima Offing
Source: NHK
Date Aired: Jan 15, 2012
Date Published: Nov 4, 2012
Translated by: guardianofmiyagi

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14349741


Thread: Tokyo Bay cesium even higher than levels reported off Fukushima — Nearly entire sea floor contaminated by 2014 (VIDEO)
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872 Bq/Kg.. how many pico-curies/kg is that?

[link to www.civildefensemuseum.com]

1 kilobecquerel (kBq) ~ 27 nanocurie (nCi)

So at 872 Bq its 27 (nCi) * .872 (KBq)= 23.5 (nCi).
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I think people like to forget how big the ocean is compared to the amount of water that is leaked.
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I think people like to forget how big the ocean is compared to the amount of water that is leaked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27231023


What people like to forget is the concept of bioaccumulation.