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Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!

 
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Just another example of stupidity produced by TV, video games, and shitty school systems. If he knew better, he would have just invested his money in cigarettes. He could have killed 100,000's more.

One thing I have realized though. Never rely on a gun that isn't yours. Especially if you don't know how to make it work.
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You hear these excuses from the AR crowd? "Maybe he was using plastic mags, or maybe a cheap version (DPMS) AR, or maybe 'shitty' ammo (from Mexico), maybe he was unfamiliar with the weapon..." You think that matters in an AK? The AK is like the Honey Badger, Honey Badger don't give a shit! It gets the job done!

And yes, thankfully the shooter wasn't using an AK, just like the Aurora shooter and his jammed AR situation.

Pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


I don't even own an AR, but operator error is usually the problem. Also, its funny the fact that apparently AR's only jam whenever a serial killer attempts to use them, yet a normal shooter's maintained gun will put 3k rounds down range without a problem.
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Witnesses in the parking lot that saw him going into the mall, report he dropped something on the way in.... " something that looked like it held bullets" as it was small and black and box shaped.

He may have damaged or bent his second magazine, thus keeping it from feeding properly.

FBI just stated he was thought to have only had 2-3 magazines total. Rifle confirmed stolen.

So I have to ask, where was the trigger lock accessory that should have been in place when stored away and not in use?, had his friend kept the lock on the rifle, it would not have been used.
Oregon Constitution Article I, Section 27

The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power.
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
You hear these excuses from the AR crowd? "Maybe he was using plastic mags, or maybe a cheap version (DPMS) AR, or maybe 'shitty' ammo (from Mexico), maybe he was unfamiliar with the weapon..." You think that matters in an AK? The AK is like the Honey Badger, Honey Badger don't give a shit! It gets the job done!

And yes, thankfully the shooter wasn't using an AK, just like the Aurora shooter and his jammed AR situation.

Pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Um, I own both platforms. They are both great in their own respect, but I've had more issues with my ak than ar. My $.02.
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Witnesses in the parking lot that saw him going into the mall, report he dropped something on the way in.... " something that looked like it held bullets" as it was small and black and box shaped.

He may have damaged or bent his second magazine, thus keeping it from feeding properly.

FBI just stated he was thought to have only had 2-3 magazines total. Rifle confirmed stolen.

So I have to ask, where was the trigger lock accessory that should have been in place when stored away and not in use?, had his friend kept the lock on the rifle, it would not have been used.
 Quoting: Redpaw360


$20 pair of bolt cutters will take care of the lock... Shit they can be picked fairly easy...
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Witnesses in the parking lot that saw him going into the mall, report he dropped something on the way in.... " something that looked like it held bullets" as it was small and black and box shaped.

He may have damaged or bent his second magazine, thus keeping it from feeding properly.

FBI just stated he was thought to have only had 2-3 magazines total. Rifle confirmed stolen.

So I have to ask, where was the trigger lock accessory that should have been in place when stored away and not in use?, had his friend kept the lock on the rifle, it would not have been used.
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Yup, because locks are impenetrable.
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Witnesses in the parking lot that saw him going into the mall, report he dropped something on the way in.... " something that looked like it held bullets" as it was small and black and box shaped.

He may have damaged or bent his second magazine, thus keeping it from feeding properly.

FBI just stated he was thought to have only had 2-3 magazines total. Rifle confirmed stolen.

So I have to ask, where was the trigger lock accessory that should have been in place when stored away and not in use?, had his friend kept the lock on the rifle, it would not have been used.
 Quoting: Redpaw360


Gun safe is the only way to really stop the thief because trigger locks can be easily picked without even a tool, and then theres bolt cutters...
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
You hear these excuses from the AR crowd? "Maybe he was using plastic mags, or maybe a cheap version (DPMS) AR, or maybe 'shitty' ammo (from Mexico), maybe he was unfamiliar with the weapon..." You think that matters in an AK? The AK is like the Honey Badger, Honey Badger don't give a shit! It gets the job done!

And yes, thankfully the shooter wasn't using an AK, just like the Aurora shooter and his jammed AR situation.

Pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


I don't even own an AR, but operator error is usually the problem. Also, its funny the fact that apparently AR's only jam whenever a serial killer attempts to use them, yet a normal shooter's maintained gun will put 3k rounds down range without a problem.
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My DPMS has only run through 500 but not a single hiccup. Unfortunately I lost it in a terrible Mojave canoe accident.
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12/12/2012 05:09 PM
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
ASK yourself this question?

Why do all the shooters guns jam?

Is there something being done to the ammo or the guns to cause this?
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12/12/2012 05:17 PM
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
You hear these excuses from the AR crowd? "Maybe he was using plastic mags, or maybe a cheap version (DPMS) AR, or maybe 'shitty' ammo (from Mexico), maybe he was unfamiliar with the weapon..." You think that matters in an AK? The AK is like the Honey Badger, Honey Badger don't give a shit! It gets the job done!

And yes, thankfully the shooter wasn't using an AK, just like the Aurora shooter and his jammed AR situation.

Pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


but but but my AR cost $1500! how can a $400 AK be SO much better??!!!

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Insider tip?
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You hear these excuses from the AR crowd? "Maybe he was using plastic mags, or maybe a cheap version (DPMS) AR, or maybe 'shitty' ammo (from Mexico), maybe he was unfamiliar with the weapon..." You think that matters in an AK? The AK is like the Honey Badger, Honey Badger don't give a shit! It gets the job done!

And yes, thankfully the shooter wasn't using an AK, just like the Aurora shooter and his jammed AR situation.

Pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


I don't even own an AR, but operator error is usually the problem. Also, its funny the fact that apparently AR's only jam whenever a serial killer attempts to use them, yet a normal shooter's maintained gun will put 3k rounds down range without a problem.
 Quoting: Sneetch




Yea. My AR has never jammed. Its called maintenance. Not saying that it wont ever do it. But using decent ammo and cleaning after a day at the range does wonders. Though the AR is flawed in many ways, mainly the whole "shitting where it eats" bit
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Same thing happened to the Aurora shooter, right?

And yet, all these doomtards will rally behind the AR platform and blow smoke up your arse about how much more reliable it is. It was BS 40 years ago and it still is today. Denial will only help until the SHTF, then you're dead with that jammed precious +$1,000 weapon.
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You get what you pay for. Was probaly some shitty DPMS. My Lewis Machine and Tool 5.56 has well over 5k rounds through it with no one FTE or FTF.
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and my RRA has around the same amount of rounds through it. With no FTE/FTF. You go ahead and pay twice as much for the same tool
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
A modern M4 feed lips, military magazines, and piston driven AR15 is easily as reliable as a modern AK with a military chamber, military (com-block) magazines, and piston driven.

Any difference between the platforms has disappeared. What is left is the following:

Steel AK magazines can be used as blunt weapons or be run over by a vehicle and still function.

AK ammunition and magazines weight significantly more. An AR operator can carry more magazines and ammunition.

It is a wash. Choose well.
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
A modern M4 feed lips, military magazines, and piston driven AR15 is easily as reliable as a modern AK with a military chamber, military (com-block) magazines, and piston driven.

Any difference between the platforms has disappeared. What is left is the following:

Steel AK magazines can be used as blunt weapons or be run over by a vehicle and still function.

AK ammunition and magazines weight significantly more. An AR operator can carry more magazines and ammunition.

It is a wash. Choose well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993


but 1 round of 7.62x39 vaprizes the target, 10 hits with 5.56 just gets thier attention
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Alright so I was cooking and I think ABC? just showed their story for it, and I must say this still isn't adding up.

One of his hobbies was "shooting" (someone is either a very inexperienced shooter or he just liked guns) and he has an AR tattoo.

Also, how many CCW holders were in that mall at the time I wonder...
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Same thing happened to the Aurora shooter, right?

And yet, all these doomtards will rally behind the AR platform and blow smoke up your arse about how much more reliable it is. It was BS 40 years ago and it still is today. Denial will only help until the SHTF, then you're dead with that jammed precious +$1,000 weapon.
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NOBODY'S BUSINESS.
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The thing regarding the AK I find the most interesting occurred at the onset of the Russian campaign in Chechnya.

Unlike the U.S. military, the Russian front line troops are rarely issued body armor (too expensive). Russian troops, being used to doing without, came up with an novel idea. They began using fully loaded heavy steel magazines loaded with steel cased rounds slung across their chest as improvised body armor, some would even mount them on their backpacks for rear protection. It is quite a sight and kept many alive against all odds.

Unfortunately for the Russian troops, the army had decided to begin the switch over to thermoplastic magazines. The troops continued to use them as before, having no choice. The result was deadly. When hit by a projectile, they would shatter even worse than the steel magazines. However, the steel magazines shrapnel could easily be found with even the most basic of field x-ray equipment. Sometimes, even with a powerful magnet. Thermoplastic, on the other hand, is much more difficult (if not impossible) to find remnants in the body using field equipment.

Many simply bled to death. It was glorious.
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
A modern M4 feed lips, military magazines, and piston driven AR15 is easily as reliable as a modern AK with a military chamber, military (com-block) magazines, and piston driven.

Any difference between the platforms has disappeared. What is left is the following:

Steel AK magazines can be used as blunt weapons or be run over by a vehicle and still function.

AK ammunition and magazines weight significantly more. An AR operator can carry more magazines and ammunition.

It is a wash. Choose well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993


Care to price quote the above mentioned M4? An AK can still be had for under $500. And the ammo is less expensive.

In the end, however, use whichever weapon you function best with. If you are proficient with jamming, then by all means, choose the AR platform. Unless you can afford really reliable M4 clone, which typically start above $1500.
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I'm surprised that GLP hasn't given this situation more attention....but, hey, same shit, different day....

I'm sure as time goes by GLP will uncover the truth of it and debunk MSM lies about it.
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
A modern M4 feed lips, military magazines, and piston driven AR15 is easily as reliable as a modern AK with a military chamber, military (com-block) magazines, and piston driven.

Any difference between the platforms has disappeared. What is left is the following:

Steel AK magazines can be used as blunt weapons or be run over by a vehicle and still function.

AK ammunition and magazines weight significantly more. An AR operator can carry more magazines and ammunition.

It is a wash. Choose well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993


Care to price quote the above mentioned M4? An AK can still be had for under $500. And the ammo is less expensive.

In the end, however, use whichever weapon you function best with. If you are proficient with jamming, then by all means, choose the AR platform. Unless you can afford really reliable M4 clone, which typically start above $1500.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Obviously the M4 will cost more, as will the ammunition and magazines. This was done under the assumption that someone had the means to choose either. If you cannot afford one of the choices, then you really have no choice and none of this matters.
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Never happened. It was a drill. Why no pic of video of the shooter? The mall has cameras all over the place but yet no pic or video. Hmmmm, yup sounds like another false flag. Or how they call it a exercise to prepare lol.
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So, when you are proven wrong, will you offer to pay the young woman's hospital bill.

10,000 people were in that mall, my wife works one block from this event. She said for 10 minutes straight the traffic fleeing the area was a free for all, people driving over curbs to get the hell away.

So, will you help pay the funeral expenses for the two people who were murdered?....or keep running your mouth?.
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Fuck him Redpaw......
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
You hear these excuses from the AR crowd? "Maybe he was using plastic mags, or maybe a cheap version (DPMS) AR, or maybe 'shitty' ammo (from Mexico), maybe he was unfamiliar with the weapon..." You think that matters in an AK? The AK is like the Honey Badger, Honey Badger don't give a shit! It gets the job done!

And yes, thankfully the shooter wasn't using an AK, just like the Aurora shooter and his jammed AR situation.

Pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


I don't even own an AR, but operator error is usually the problem. Also, its funny the fact that apparently AR's only jam whenever a serial killer attempts to use them, yet a normal shooter's maintained gun will put 3k rounds down range without a problem.
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My DPMS has only run through 500 but not a single hiccup. Unfortunately I lost it in a terrible Mojave canoe accident.
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Same thing happened to the Aurora shooter, right?

And yet, all these doomtards will rally behind the AR platform and blow smoke up your arse about how much more reliable it is. It was BS 40 years ago and it still is today. Denial will only help until the SHTF, then you're dead with that jammed precious +$1,000 weapon.
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only jams for morons that don't understand how to clean it, but AK is better for idiots to use.

nice thing about the AR is the round size and wieght
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So his gun jammed and his probable. Victims still allowed him to make it out alive? Fucking pussies😷they should have went ape shit on him and bashed his skull in. Wtf americaaa
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And this guy shot himself with an AR15? yeah right, mindless Americans need to wake up, you are being played for the fat fools you are.

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Never happened. It was a drill. Why no pic of video of the shooter? The mall has cameras all over the place but yet no pic or video. Hmmmm, yup sounds like another false flag. Or how they call it a exercise to prepare lol.
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So, when you are proven wrong, will you offer to pay the young woman's hospital bill.

10,000 people were in that mall, my wife works one block from this event. She said for 10 minutes straight the traffic fleeing the area was a free for all, people driving over curbs to get the hell away.

So, will you help pay the funeral expenses for the two people who were murdered?....or keep running your mouth?.
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Fuck him Redpaw......
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Fuck you.
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
ASK yourself this question?

Why do all the shooters guns jam?

Is there something being done to the ammo or the guns to cause this?
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Good thing it wasn't an AK47 or a hell of a lot more people would have gotten smoked!!
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If it jammed how did he shoot his self?
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Re: Breaking CNN: The Oregon mall shooter used an AR15 that jammed!!
Same thing happened to the Aurora shooter, right?

And yet, all these doomtards will rally behind the AR platform and blow smoke up your arse about how much more reliable it is. It was BS 40 years ago and it still is today. Denial will only help until the SHTF, then you're dead with that jammed precious +$1,000 weapon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


only jams for morons that don't understand how to clean it, but AK is better for idiots to use.

nice thing about the AR is the round size and wieght
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really? you wanna rethink that?
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